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Ask Slashdot: Are Smart Meters Safe?

An anonymous reader writes "There is a lot of controversy and a big hullabaloo about Southern California Edison and various other utilities around the country installing smart meters at residential homes. Various action groups claim that these smart meters transmit an unsafe amount of RF and that they are an invasion of privacy. The information out there seems rather spotty and inconsistent — what do you engineers out there think? Are these things potentially harmful? Are they an invasion of privacy?"

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  1. Privacy issue in Europe by xaxa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In Europe, they're being investigated as a privacy issue:

    Hi-tech monitors that track households' energy consumption threaten to become a major privacy issue, according to the European watchdog in charge of protecting personal data.

    The European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) has warned that smart meters, which must be introduced into every home in the UK within the next seven years, will be used to track much more than energy consumption unless proper safeguards are introduced.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/01/household-energy-trackers-threat-privacy

    1. Re:Privacy issue in Europe by yodleboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait a sec. How is it a privacy issue for the utility provider, that already knows how much power you consume, to use a smart meter? Help me out here.

      Anecdotaly... As a multiple time sufferer from mis-read meters and the pain in the ass that results from convincing the power company to believe that you really didn't use 10000 KW/h last month when you've been average 1500 KW/h for years I love that my usage is precisely monitored and measured. I also get some cool features like email alerts if my usage spikes, the ability to see my projected bill ahead of time and make adjustments to my usage in advance, and I can compare my usage to other houses in the neighborhood. That last however DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE HOUSES. All I see is "your usage is x% more/less than similar size houses this week".

    2. Re:Privacy issue in Europe by Bengie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Power company says "if you want to save money, we need more data"
      Power distribution says "if you want more reliable power, we need more data"
      Customers say "We want cheaper and more reliable power!"

      OMG! they want to know more info?!

      Next thing you'll know, your Doctor will want to know your medical history! Fuck him/her! Why would they need to know that?!

    3. Re:Privacy issue in Europe by Bengie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My local water company has switched over to smart meters for water usage. Now that they have pseudo-realtime flow information, they have reduced their operations costs by about $200k/year and my water will has gone down because of reduced rates.

      The more information engineers have access to, the more efficient the system.

      If we EVER want to have massive roll-outs of green energy, we'll need smart meters. Fuck green, lets burn coal until we die, I don't want someone seeing how much power I use.

      What we do need is rules stating that the information collected must be securely accessed and transmitted. Possibly limit collected data to just stuff like average power-draw, local voltages, highest burst, standard deviation.. stuff like that.

      They don't need to know what exactly what I'm running, just a category of power demand.

    4. Re:Privacy issue in Europe by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protip: making vague concerns boldface does not make them real or more clear.

  2. Really ? Unsafe amount of RF ? by Worchaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll be these folks lodged some of their complaints over a mobile phone. And none of them use garage door openers, or keep track of their kids at the mall using FRS radios... argh. If they don't like the idea of remote meter reading, fine-- that's one thing, and a valid discussion to be had. But unsafe RF levels ? Are you KIDDING me ?

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    1. Re:Really ? Unsafe amount of RF ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah. Anytime someone asks engineers what they think regarding "dangerous RF", 9 out of 10 responses fall in the range from "No, let me explain how it compares to all these other things you use every day, including sunlight, and about photon energy and how that differentiates visible~radio waves from ionizing radiation" to "STFU you bleeding idiot, read a grade-school science text!". And the remaining one will be blathering on about how he works at a megawatt-class radio transmitter which can absolutely kill you if you stand to close due to the high E field, therefore would everyone STFU about wavelength being the only significant parameter. (Because what would /. be without pedants pointing out things clearly unrelated to the current case that nevertheless make the conventional knowledge technically inaccurate?)

      You'd think at some point they'd get tired of asking us...

  3. Radiation hazard? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only is there no evidence that these meters are harmful, but the effect of radio frequency exposure upon living tissue (approximatly none) is well-studied and understood. These radiophobes have about as much scientific respectability as the anti-vaxers, homeopaths and creationists. They are a parody of science.

  4. Privacy Issues Aside... by milbournosphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can you editors please present the article submitted with a decent summary and leave off the inflammatory questions tagged onto the end? This trend has been getting worse as time goes on...and the answer to these questions is usually the same: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_Law_of_Headlines

  5. Re:Tinfoil hat! Get yer tinfoil hat on! by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Are they an invasion of privacy?

    Of course. They are telling the power company how much electricity you are using. What business is that of theirs?

    While it's definitely the power company's right to know how much power I'm using, and even to know in aggregate how much peak versus non-peak power I'm using, but they really shouldn't need to know hour by hour or minute by minute (or even day by day) how much power I'm using.

    They already have instrumentation at the substations that tells them how much power my neighborhood is using so they know how much power to generate, they don't need to know when I'm doing laundry, when I go to work, when my house is vacant because I'm on vacation, etc.

  6. Re:Trespassing.... by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This property owner fellow needs to do more research on easements, encumbrances, and fee simple property titles. Property ownership is not as simple as most hillbillies think it is.

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  7. There's only one thing... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's only one thing in this article that seems like a legitimate concern:: the issue with possible incorrect bills and an issue I didn't really see raised: the possibility of unauthorized access/tinkering.

    The lady whose electric bill shot up 300% ... either she was somehow not being billed for the power she used all along, or else the new meter is faulty. THAT is a legitimate concern.

    However, I am sick to death of all these whiny whiners and their "I'm allergic to RF" .. NO. No, you're not. You're not special, you don't have some super power that lets you receive radio waves... you're not experiencing something that science or big business is covering up... you're being hypochondriacs or else you''ve got Munchhausen's syndrome. Either way, you sure as hell don't experience RF sensitivity - not unless you're talking about the power levels inside your microwave oven.

    rabble, rabble!

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