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YouTube-MP3 Ripper Creator Takes On Google

judgecorp writes "21-year old computer science student Philip Matesanz is ignoring a 'cease and desist' order from Google over his site YouTube-mp3.org, which rips audio tracks from videos hosted on YouTube. Instead, he has launched a public campaign against Google, arguing that German law allows what he is doing. Matesanz has an online petition."

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  1. It may be legal in germany... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But does he not know that when it involves the internetz American law applies ? :) Just ask that British guy that faces extradition to the US for things that are legal in the UK.

    1. Re:It may be legal in germany... by camperslo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd think the real problem would be the use of youtube in his site name.

  2. Potential problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see some trouble on the horizon, since his converter is using an .org domain. The expert assessments only concern German law, but the site is accessed by an international audience. Google might use this fact against him, but of course there is more danger.

    Since the US has de facto already claimed legal jurisdiction over all people and companies whose domains are under US "control", even if the servers are located elsewhere and the sites are used by people from all over the world, he might face accusations for copyright infringement and an extradition request.

    1. Re:Potential problem by rioki · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually a German citizen can not be extradited from Germany. It actually even works the other way around. If you happen to commit a crime in a foreign country, the German government will try "everything" (at different degrees of everything) to get you back to Germany and then try you under German law. This is done since German law is seen as fair and others as barbaric. There where a few high profile cases of drug possession in Tailand (which will get you executed), where the German government intervened.

  3. Re:Good grief by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exnae on the ipperrae itessae!

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  4. Why should Google care... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would it matter to Youtube if somebody rips the sound track from a video? If it's an issue of unauthorized copies, then shouldn't the video with the unauthorized soundtrack on itin the first place be taken down?

    Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I read the article and I really don't see what difference it should make to Google, since they have *NO* ability to even *know* whether or not a user might be ripping the sound track from a video in the first place.

    1. Re:Why should Google care... by mat.power · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are videos with copyrighted material on YouTube which is allowed to be on YouTube (many artists/labels put music up themselves). That doesn't mean anyone is free to turn it into an mp3. Though, I'm not sure why Google would go after a site like this, rather than the music industry... perhaps someone else can explain that :)

    2. Re:Why should Google care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google does not get ad revenue if you don't view the video on Youtube

      Google gets even less ad revenue if you download the song using a third party download service (who also gets ad money) and then listen to it on your PC at your leisure.

    3. Re:Why should Google care... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll see your banning of stereo cables and raise with mandatory lobotomies so that people can't retain any "unauthorized non-digital copies" in their brains.

    4. Re:Why should Google care... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are videos with copyrighted material on YouTube which is allowed to be on YouTube (many artists/labels put music up themselves). That doesn't mean anyone is free to turn it into an mp3.

      Bullshit. For example:

      Aerosmith decides to play a show in a public park down the street from my house. Since I can hear the entire show from my back porch, I have every right in the world to place a tape recorder on my own property and record the public performance. Granted, it is likely still illegal to profit from said recording, but making it is decidedly not criminal.

      The key phrase here, of course, is "public performance." Once you put something out on the public airwaves, where every Tom, Dick, and Harry has access, you effectively surrender your control over its distribution.

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    5. Re:Why should Google care... by fatphil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see how "you can have the bytes that encode the audio track and the bytes that encode the video track" can be true whilst "you can have the bytes that encode the audio track" is false.

      Fair use rights and precedent imply that I should be able to store what I download to play when is most convenient for me.

      This guy's just making what ought to be legal easy? That shouldn't be illegal.

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  5. It's not Google, it's the copyright holders by billlava · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's long been a well-known secret among technologically capable people (like you, dear reader) that it's very easy to download the video files for youtube videos. Extracting the audio is just another simple step away from that. Google has ignored such services in the past because they really don't care if people download these videos or the music on them. Sure, it might eat in to their revenues a little bit, but not much, since most people will just keep coming back to the site anyway.

    The real issue here is that copyright holders (those big evil RIAA members) never realized how easy stripping music from youtube videos actually was. That's the only reason they let all their music go up on the site (albeit slathered with advertising and overlays.) Anytime someone draws attention to how easy getting the audio (or video) actually is, it makes copyright holders skittish. They think that this guy has somehow discovered some sort of technological loophole that allows him to download the files in a way others can't (he hasn't.) Google is probably under tremendous pressure to shut this guy down, and they'll do it just so that nobody starts asking questions about why it's so easy to do what he's doing anyway.

    Better that one man takes the fall (and just shuts down his site) than that the whole world suffers losing unfettered access to youtube source files.

  6. Re:Service? We don' need no steenking service by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is sofa king lame.

    You don't need a service to extract the audio.from a YouTube stream

    While I have no objection to anyone doing this themselves for the convenience etc, I DO object to someone trying to extract $$$ from something that is not his .

    You mean like Google making advertisement money off of songs being uploaded to Youtube as "movies" that are single static images, usually with the intent for Youtube MP3 Ripper sites to rip said songs to MP3 format?

    I agree, totally unethical behavior and I object wholeheartedly.

  7. ffmpeg -i input.flv output.mp3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    TSIA

  8. Rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have the right to record a song off the radio.. I have the right to record a tv show off of TV...
    Why do I not have the right to record a show, or song off youtube?

  9. Re:Service? We don' need no steenking service by Lucky75 · · Score: 3

    You have to disable Adblock.

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  10. What the RIAA is actually doing to combat this by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In case everyone hasn't noticed, what the RIAA is doing about this is having random "youtube version only" breaks in music videos by big name artists so you'd have to be a top notch audio editor to cut out those parts and assemble the entire track back together. Like for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtvQgC5vM_k approx 45 seconds in.
    LMFAO did it, Iwrestledabearonce did it, as well as at least 30 others I saw. Unfortunately, since my dad is a mobile DJ, that's a problem because the same version goes straight to itunes and we play music videos on a rear projection screen during dances. So some idiotic pause in the music really ruins that. Just another example of them screwing over their prime customers to implement antipiracy.

  11. Google is covering its own arse for later disputes by ClassicASP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's people aren't retarded; they know that people are going to find ways to record audio from YouTube one way or another. They're just sending the cease-and-desist order so later on, when copyright holders try to take Google to court, they can claim that they didn't just sit by idly and let it happen. They'll be able to say that they at least they took at least some course of action. The person who sent the cease and desist letter was probably just as disgusted about having to send it as the rest of the world is because they knew its really all stupid and pointless.

  12. Re:Good grief by ichthus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Odmae the arentpae up, eh.

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  13. Official Chrome Extension by YouTube does the same by SmilingBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think Google objects to MP3 rips of the soundtracks of their videos - after all, YouTube offers an official Chrome extension that does the same:

    YouTube Downloader: MP3 / HD Video Download (Note that the developer of the extension is youtube.com)

    I think they have a problem because the external service drives people away from the YouTube website. In any case, I can't see why Google would not have the right to simply stop serving Videos to the IP addresses of the servers of the download service. So in some sense, they were nice to send a letter asking him to stop.

  14. Enlightenment by Zinho · · Score: 4, Informative
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