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British Airways Plans To Google Passengers

itwbennett writes "British Airways wants to be the airline where everybody knows your name. The idea behind the 'Know Me' program is that by using Google Images to ID passengers, they'll be able to recreate the 'feeling of recognition you get in a favourite restaurant,' Jo Boswell, head of customer analysis at BA told the London Evening Standard. But the more privacy minded among us know that the airline could end up seeing a lot more than your face."

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  1. What if your name doesn't come up? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or what if it's the wrong person with your name? I know my name doesn't show up for me at all (I'm not registered by my real name on social networks etc.).

    1. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. My name is about as common as 'John Smith' here in the U.S.; there is a major Hollywood composer that's done the soundtracks of hundreds of films over the last 30 or so years, professional athletes, a country music star, and an actor sharing my name, and that's just off the top of my head. If you were to Google me I'd bet you'd have to go 30 pages deep to find a link that is even possibly connected to me in any way, shape or form.

      Hell, just within my home state there are dozens of results for my name, nationwide, there's probably thousands of people with the same first and last name as me. Unless you have a very unique name, I don't see how this is going to be effective at all...

    2. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by Kazymyr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only things that show up when you google my real name are a few usenet posts that I made in one of the Linux kernel groups circa 1999. That ought to keep some airline people wondering.

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    3. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're not doing this for everyone, they're doing it for people flying first class who might expect to be recognised. They don't want a flight attendant who sees Balmer having laptop problems to attempt to be friendly saying 'mine always crashes too', or similar. That sort of thing can easily lose an airline a lot of money, which is why they already try to brief cabin crew on any VIPs.

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    4. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by PRMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come right on up, Mr. John Williams.

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    5. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      They don't want a flight attendant who sees Balmer having laptop problems to attempt to be friendly saying 'mine always crashes too', or similar.

      It's OK, the seats are bolted down quite firmly.

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    6. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ditto. I do sometimes worry whether this will be an issue one day. At some point, will being unable to datamine you, be like not having a credit record; where, even though you're not a bad risk, they still won't/can't deal with you.

      Having a company (an airline, hotel, etc) refuse you a booking, being denied a job, or even having legal problems [**], not because you've done anything wrong, but just because their screening procedures are so tied up with datamining social networking, that they literally can't process anyone who maintains separate online/offline identities. (And as there's fewer and fewer people who will fall into this category, they have no motivation to fix it, and frankly find "people like you" suspicious anyway.)

      [** Not only are police using social networking sites to research suspects; but I wonder if separate online/offline identies are already considered "aliases"?]

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    7. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by sir-gold · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So in order to keep Steve Balmer happy, they will hide the truth from him.

      And people wonder why Balmer is running MS into the ground. Maybe it's because everyone is tiptoeing around him, making sure his rose-colored glasses never come off

    8. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      "Hes got a scan blocker"

      "That means hes a car thief. Blast him!"

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    9. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From TFS: "The idea behind the 'Know Me' program is that by using Google Images to ID passengers". They're not searching by name, they're searching for your name. They simply won't find yours.

      But hell, I googled my 81 year old dad's name and found his picture and baby picture, and he's never used a computer in his life. Apparently a distant relative had been doing genealogy research and posting it. I found his mother there, too.

      Try googling your full name and see what happens. You'll be shocked at what you find. Ever buy a house? If so, your full name is on the internet.

    10. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess they'd offer their condolences on your recent death.

    11. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's good for,you, but when someone Googles my name, they get the "Terrorist of the Month" page at Al-Qaeda.com!

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    12. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by brusk · · Score: 2

      Then you are probably part of a large and successful clan of Saudi industrialists of Yemeni origin.

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    13. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by ultranova · · Score: 2

      They don't want to have one of their employees make a disparaging remark about BMWs when the CEO of BMW is looking at a car advert in their in-flight magazine either.

      Wouldn't it be far simpler and safer to simply tell the staff to not chat with the passengers? You never know what weird triggers some self-important douchebag might have, so why risk hitting any of them?

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    14. Re:What if your name doesn't come up? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Which brand of whisky is sold in rose coloured bottles, I haven't seen that one yet?

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  2. Reliability by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course we all have unique names and faces and Google images contains only correctly tagged photos so this won't cause any confusion at all.

    1. Re:Reliability by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      I got my Facebook photo, a random pic of my dad, and a proboscis monkey as the top 3 hits. Then a map of the US, followed by a run of women. Kudos for Google getting the only online pic of me, but I'm kinda worried about a monkey being #3, lol.

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    2. Re:Reliability by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I got my Facebook photo, a random pic of my dad, and a proboscis monkey as the top 3 hits. Then a map of the US, followed by a run of women. Kudos for Google getting the only online pic of me, but I'm kinda worried about a monkey being #3, lol.

      But were those women all women you dated? (Or all women that your dad or the proboscis monkey dated?)

  3. Fake personal touch != personal touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I'm recognised in a favourite restaurant it's because we know each other well enough for that. If a stewardess I've never met before "recognises" me I know it's fake. The feeling I will probably get is of someone playing manipulative games with me.

    1. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One would think BA would have learnt from Starbucks' mistake. Scratch that, British Airways should already be fully aware of the British people's contempt for such phoney chumminess. By and large, we just want to be given our coffee or shown to our seat and then left in peace.

      I'm sure the flight attendants are nice people, but they're not my friends and they ought not to act like they are. They should act like professionals instead.

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    2. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is the same fake personal touch some callcenters insist of using my name 27 times in a 30 second conversation.

      If I compare that with how many times people say my name when they know me and are talking to me, it is incredible that they still think it is something personal.

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    3. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree for "regular" people, but it sounds like they're targeting this at first-class passengers who might expect to be recognized, and may even have their egos bruised if they aren't. So BA is going to pull up a bunch of photos for the flight attendants peruse, in order to ensure that they don't accidentally fail to recognize a CEO or pop star or whoever.

      It's still fake, but seems like a kind of faking that might work. Especially with people who want to believe it's real, that they're so famous that of course the flight attendants recognized them.

    4. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      My wife would definitely freak out if a stewardess calls me by name! I would expect the flight to be canceled owing to blood on the carpet!

    5. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Scratch that, British Airways should already be fully aware of the British people's contempt for such phoney chumminess.

      Understandable. If I'd ever had a strange guy with an Irish accent come up to me in a crowd and whisper in my ear, "We know where you live, boyo," I'd be tad skittish too.

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    6. Re:Fake personal touch != personal touch by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 3, Funny

      BOFH goes to vacation.
      - Welcome aboard mr. Foobar!
      - Oh, you know my name?
      - Yes sir!

      And yet they still won't know what the real Mr Foobar looks like!

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  4. I don't want this. by Dark$ide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want British Airways to fly me from LHR to wherever in the shortest time at the lowest cost. I don't want them to LIKE me on Facebook as part of the process of doing that.

    If they need a nice little pocket sized document with my photo, my date of birth and a unique reference number they can use the nice booklet that cost me £90 from HM Passport Agency.

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    1. Re:I don't want this. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      You're not a B-level movie celebrity who's ego is wider than a first class seat. You know, the kind that shows up on the news for having been tossed off a plane for being an abuse, inebriated asshole.

      I think they're doing it so they can keep tabs on these bozos. If they get too rowdy, a few milligrams of haloperidol will get them to sit down and enjoy the flight - staring straight ahead and drooling the entire way. A definite improvement on their usual behavior.

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    2. Re:I don't want this. by buglista · · Score: 2

      bonus points; if my bags come out at the carousel the destination airport, that would be nice too.

  5. First class by Paul+Townend · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article, it says at the bottom: ""The Google Images search app helps our customer service team to recognise high profile travellers such as captains of industry who would be using our First class facilities enabling us to give a more personalised service."

    I think this is almost certainly something they're aiming at first class passengers only (probably as they approach the lounges at airports). I doubt they care that much about everyone in cattle class...

  6. Oh, great by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 5, Funny

    to recreate the 'feeling of recognition you get in a favourite restaurant'

    So, now the airline is going to spit in my food too?

  7. Good luck with that by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I google myself, I find either a very large black NFL player, or an Airforce general. YAY, instant upgrade.

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  8. Scanner Data Calls for Integration by foobsr · · Score: 4, Funny

    the airline could end up seeing a lot more than your face

    Sounds like they also want to integrate the results from full body scanners.

    CC.

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  9. "Fakyness" = bad customer service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It kinda creeps me out when clerks act all "chummy".

  10. Which Feeling of Recognition? by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they'll be able to recreate the 'feeling of recognition you get in a favourite restaurant,'

    I think they're a little more likely to create the feeling of recognition that you get when the creepy, slightly desperate receptionist asks about your dog by name, despite the fact that you haven't told anyone at the office that you have a dog.

  11. Creepiness is not the feeling resturants go for by whois · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are several ways to do this that don't involve invading your privacy any more than they already have by making you present papers to fly. They already have all the information you could want in their database about your trips with them. Attaching a photo to it does nothing more than give someone a feeling of unease the moment you've pulled off this sham.

    I dislike it when the coffee shop employees use my name without having been introduced because it's unexpected. The first thing that goes through your head is how did this person know my name, then you work backwards and figure it out. "Oh, they read it off my credit card." The uneasiness goes away but the feeling that something wasn't quite right with your experience is still there. Now try it in a situation where you can't figure it out because there’s a third party involved?

    Situation: Man you've never seen before approaches you in an airport and says "Mr. Smith?" What is your immediate reaction?

    First you're trying to figure out where you've met the person before, then you're trying to figure out if something is wrong or if they're a thief or confidence man playing you because obviously they've overheard your name from somewhere? You're never able to make the connection that they've "recognized" you because they haven't. They weren't even introduced by a mutual acquaintance like the front desk clerk because in a giant airport it would be impossible to believe that the front desk clerk described you well enough to be tracked down.

    You will always be left with a feeling that shenanigans have happened and it won't make you happy. Unless you're an extremely trusting grandmotherly type person who finds the novelty to be so interesting you forget your suspicions; If you are in that particular demographic then the novelty of hearing your name called over the intercom so you can come to the desk and be updated would be just as effective as the above.

    Finally, I'm in a position of choice in what has become an increasingly hostile market due to security theater. Every chance I get I will choose the airline that isn't creepy internet stalking me.

  12. Not always a bad thing by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or what if it's the wrong person with your name?

    That's not always a bad thing - may be I'll get some free upgrades out of it! ;-)

  13. Airport shocker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "OK, Mr Goatse, if you could just step over here".

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  14. Wyndham did this to me to sell a timeshare by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A buddy of mine invited me and another friend to come stay at a Wyndham resort in WI for a ski weekend a few years ago. We stayed at a resort with multiple restaurants and shops on site.

    Very long and creepy story short, in an attempt to sell more points to my friend (who was on his parent's million+ account) they Googled for us and knew everything about me including my preferences for music, good food, etc and tried to use that as leverage.

    Outcomes:

    1. It was uncomfortable because they only had a cursory knowledge of what I liked and they weren't really applying it well enough.

    2. It was fucking SUPER creepy that they knew anything at all about me. Honestly, it was unnerving.

    3. I don't want strangers treating me like I am eating at my favorite restaurant where I know the owner. You know why? Because they forgot the steps involved to get to that point--the one where you get to know someone from more than a cursory glance at Google.

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    1. Re:Wyndham did this to me to sell a timeshare by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      Where did you get that? I agree with GP, and having read his post, I didn't get that at all. What I got is that he published information (period) and someone used it to pretend they are something they are not. That's the freaky part. Nobody's surprised, I hope, when they post info online and other people know it. People are surprised when things like restaurants, who if you've never been there, are not expected to act like they've known you for years. It's not customer intimacy. It's customer snooping, and it's not welcome.

  15. Personal touch comes from the TSA by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2
    I don't fly much, but I went for the first time through something called a mm-wave scanner (is that an x-ray or something else)?

    A TSA chick stood to block my way and told me, "Sir, there was something suspicious on the scan, we are going to have to pat you down."

    You have to know, ahem, that in middle age, a lot of us havet the Frank Costanza physique from that Seinfeld "bro" episode. A TSA dude with blue gloves felt my left moob through my clothes and then touched up the middle of my left thigh.

    I was going to ask, "Did you find a lump, officer, something where I need to go to the doctor?" I mean if they are doing radiological and physical exams on people, isn't there an ethical responsibility to disclose this? But I just stood there like I was being inducted into the Army and shut-TF-up because I wanted to get on my flight.

  16. Re:be real or gtfo by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    All this will actually result in is people asking "oh, did we to school together?" and them having to explain they merely digitally stalked you.

    You're a fish? How do you type?

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  17. What they'll learn about me... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    What they would learn about me from the first page of a Google search on my name:

    I'm a Adobe Worldwide Video Evangelist.
    I live in Gaithersburg, Maryland.
    I used to work for Boodah Joo Music, Ltd. of San Francisco.
    I'm @Beatlejase on Twitter.
    I've been running the site Queso.com since 1999 and am a physician.
    I'm the producer of "Kid in a Candy Store" and the son of television director/producer Michael Levine.
    I'm jaselevine on Facebook.
    I'm an associate in the Boston office of Summit Partners, a growth equity firm for exceptional companies.

    What they would actually learn about me:

    Nothing, because none of those links were about me and all of that information was about other "Jason Levine"s.

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