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Steve Ballmer: We Won't Be Out-Innovated By Apple Anymore

An anonymous reader tips an article about comments from Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer regarding Microsoft's attitude toward Apple. It seems Microsoft is tired of being behind the curve in most areas of the tech market, and will be trying very hard to prevent Apple and other companies from beating them to the punch in the future. From the article: "In a recent interview, Ballmer explained that the company had ceded innovations in hardware and software to Apple, but that the-times-they-are-a-'changin. 'We are trying to make absolutely clear we are not going to leave any space uncovered to Apple,' Ballmer explained. 'Not the consumer cloud. Not hardware software innovation. We are not leaving any of that to Apple by itself. Not going to happen. Not on our watch.' ... An admirable goal, but it's fair to argue that attempting to innovate everywhere results in innovation nowhere. A big part of the reason Apple has been so successful is that they devote the bulk of their attention to only a few select market areas. By trying to innovate everywhere, so to speak, Microsoft runs the continued risk of spreading itself too thin and not really having a fundamental impact in any one market."

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  1. cool story bro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "we are not going to leave any space uncovered to Apple"

    all that really says is they will be following Apple into any market even ones that aren't right for Microsoft. it actually sounds to me like they are doubling down on copying Apple.

    1. Re:cool story bro by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Phones yielded to Apple and Android.

      Desktop operating systems yielded to MacOSX (and maybe Ubuntu)

      Tablets tossed with the Hail Mary of RT.

      Servers yielded to several versions of Linux (and here, Apple croaked).

      Cloud to dozens of IaaS and PaaS providers.

      Virtual machines handed on a platter to VMware, Citrix, RedHat, and varying others.

      OH! But Games! Microsoft has XBOX and Zune^H^H^H^H

      Steve: remember, it was you that mixed the kool aid.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  2. Re:Sorry by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me the humor is this: why are they going after apple? Let them, surely - but why do they think it is apple who is out innovating them as opposed to the entire technology industry at large?

  3. Translation by zrbyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ballmer to MS board: "Please let stay as the CEO"

  4. Hmmm ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why am I reminded of this Dilbert cartoon from last week?

    A decree from the CEO to be more innovative largely means nothing if they can't actually make the change in a meaningful way and bring out products.

    If Microsoft has been innovating and not creating products, they're idiots. If they haven't been innovating, well, that's the fundamental problem, isn't it?

    Microsoft has been so mired in the "copy someone else's product badly" mentality for so long, I question if Balmer understand what needs to be done to fix this. Certainly not just a speech.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:Hmmm ... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's already fun in tech as long as you're not a microsoft-centric person.

      Quite frankly the farther I get from Microsoft-groupthink-land the better I feel. Since I'm a gamer there is nothing I can't do on my Ubuntu laptop that I can't do on any other O.S., plus I don't waste gbs on a huge Office install.

    2. Re:Hmmm ... by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look at their Kinect. Microsoft did everything they could to keep it from becoming a mass-market device. Why? They could have written a PC driver in 1 day and sold thousands overnight, so why not? Makes you wonder. But in a nutshell, this is what happens when you try to drive the market instead of responding to it. It has to be a 2-way street between the consumer and the producer.

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      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
  5. Fight the wrong battles? by Kergan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ballmer seems to be citing the ongoing (prior?) battles as areas where MS intends to fight... That's great and all, assuming MS delivers, but they should instead be focussing on the next battles.

    1. Re:Fight the wrong battles? by Anarchitect · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be.
      -- Wayne Gretzky

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      QA implies some kind of quality to begin with.
    2. Re:Fight the wrong battles? by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, he is using the same strategy as the TSA. Focus on yesterday's problem, not tomorrow's.

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    3. Re:Fight the wrong battles? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's an oft-quoted line of Wayne Gretsky about skating to where the puck is going, rather than skating to where it is now. Steve Jobs quoted it a number of years ago regarding their strategy of looking towards whatever was coming next, rather than what consumers were using and wanting now.

      Microsoft has been a "skate to where the puck is" company for quite a few years now, which is why everything they've been putting out feels just a bit off and a bit behind. They've made indications in the last few months that they want to get away from that and actually start to be pushing boundaries, rather than filling in behind the people that push the boundaries. And I sincerely hope they do, since more innovation (and competition!) in the tech space is always a good thing. They certainly have an awesome R&D department that routinely puts out awesome stuff, but it's unfortunately very rarely realized in its full potential. I'd love to see them using the stuff they develop internally in big ways.

  6. Won't be out-innovated by Apple anymore? by c0c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? Because Jobs is dead?

  7. You keep using that word... by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Innovation." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    You want to out-innovate Apple? Don't make a goal of going head-to-head with them everywhere - that's copying, the exact opposite of innovating. Compete where you actually have a newer, better product than they have. Compete where they have no product. Let them win where you cannot create a better or more innovative product. I'm sure Sun Tzu had something I could quote here, but I can't remember anything offhand.

    1. Re:You keep using that word... by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      As to Sun Tzu quotes, how about this one:

      ... there are five essentials for victory: (1) He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. (2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. (3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. (4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. (5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.

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      [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
  8. "first they ignore you" by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "then they laugh at you"
    "then they fight you"
    "and then you win."

    It looks like Ballmer has decided to proceed from stage 2 to stage 3. This is really the first time I recall him doing anything to admit there's a problem. Usually the MS stage puppets just keep up the brainwashing with how MS is doing so well and owns the market and is the leader in everything and how the new blablabla is going to be such a smashing success. You know the gloves have come off when Ballmer admits they're behind.

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    I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
    1. Re:"first they ignore you" by sneakyimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was thinking more about the five stages of grief (Kübler-Ross model), the first of which is denial:

      1) Denial
      2) Anger
      3) Bargaining
      4) Depression
      5) Acceptance

      I'd put old Steve Balls somewhere between #1 and #2.

    2. Re:"first they ignore you" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With regard to Apple, Microsoft will ALWAYS fail at this contest.

      Microsoft is built around and "Enterprise Sales Division". The existence of such a monstrosity is the death-knell for any company of tech-innovators.

      Apple has no such - and they are overturning MS in the "home turf" of corporate business customers. They do so without creating a separate business line of devices, "Enterprise" software or the RFQ-response configuration choices, beloved by hardware vendors selling to corporations.

      Microsoft sold out to ideas about business and capital very early - and were always based out of a Harvard Business School background - without the real hacker DNA. Ballmer never sold Billy's blue boxes, to start their enterprise... :-)

      Since 2001 MS spent a couple dozen BILLION on R&D. Yet they capitalized on nothing - despite ensconcing the best and brightest in world-class labs and facilities. Every "innovation" from MS has been an acquisition (TellMe, Kinect) or a "Me too" (.net, Windows imaging model, Silverlight, HyperV...)

      Ballmer's bruised ego is not enough of a motivating force to make any difference here. I look forward with relish to Microsoft's continued, punishing humiliation. There is really no other company so deserving of becoming the next RIM.

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      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:"first they ignore you" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am currently doing an internship at Microsoft Research. There are a huge number of very innovative things on the horizon

      There always are at MSR.

      (which, sadly, I can't talk about),

      You probably can. Most of the stuff they do gets published in conferences, journals, and so on. The problem Microsoft has always had (at least, from the early '90s onwards) is that they spend a vast amount on MSR and then only take a tiny fraction of the output and produce products. Apple, in contrast, spends nothing at all on pure research, but is very good at identifying interesting research from elsewhere and turning it into shipping products.

      Don't be deceived into thinking that the shiny stuff you see at MSR is somehow new. Pick a random issue of a random computing journal from the last 20 years and you'll probably see at least one interesting paper by someone at MSR, or someone in collaboration with MSR, but you almost certainly won't see any MS products based on it. Given that MS invests about $5bn/year in MSR, I'd be shocked if they didn't produce interesting research, but that's only the first stage in creating a compelling product. The next stages are at least as important.

      Oh, and I couldn't let this one pass:

      (basically ML, also developed by MSR)

      ML comes from Edinburgh in 1973, long before MSR existed. Ocaml, the most commonly used dialect comes from INRIA, in 1996. MSR does a lot more work on Haskell (Simon Peyton-Jones and friends) than ML-family languages.

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      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  9. He doesn't get it. To hell with innovation. by realmolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're at a stage in the computer industry where innovation is the LAST thing we need.

    What we need is bug fixes and "refinement". Microsoft didn't need to force Metro on us...they just needed to perfect Windows 7. Apple isn't redesigning OS X every 2 years. They're tweaking it an making it better.

    The endless push for NEW products is what screws up the computer industry. Nothing is ever actually *finished*.

    1. Re:He doesn't get it. To hell with innovation. by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RIM isn't dying because they couldn't innovate, they are dying because BlackberryOS sucks, and they refused to fix it in a reasonable amount of time.

      Like I said, it's not innovation that most companies need, it's quality products.

  10. It's an easy thing to say by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is. It's an easy thing to say. And very soothing to stockholders I'm sure. But how are you going to do it? It's sort of like saying "I'm going to have an innovative idea by 3pm tomorrow!" Ok, that's great. How exactly do you do that?

    Innovation isn't something you simply decide you're going to have, and then you have it.

    What you can do is to change your culture, foster ideas, hire people and don't abuse them. Make your environment a place where innovation can happen. I'm looking at you forced curve. People who think "outside the box" do not like being put in one. If you set up your environment to where only drones do well, then drones are what you'll have. Any real rogue thinkers in the Microsoft structure would get crushed like ants. Need I remind you Einstein did some of his best work while he was getting poor reviews as a patent clerk?

    And innovation isn't something you can really buy, either. Although MS tries. The current MS policy of borg-like assimilation of any outside company that might have a good idea isn't really working, is it? It's a wonderful tribute to the amount of money you have, but it hasn't produced any sort of good results I can think of in a decade. Hell, you guys couldn't even keep Hotmail working. They were the #1 gold standard, and Google waltzed right into that space with Gmail and it's a done deal now.

    In short, if you want to lead you better change. Your culture is all wrong for innovation.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  11. Re:"spreading itself too thin"? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When their key UI insight is to remove the Start button from their next OS release, you know they have problems......

  12. Talk is cheap... by dtjohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is always talking about what they're gonna do. They need to just shut up and actually DO something. Their last innovative product was when they created the GUI version of the spreadsheet and called it 'Excel.' Since then, the innovation has been a little slow. The problem starts with Ballmer. He is not thinking about cool stuff that can be done with tech. No, he's thinking about how he can make money doing cool stuff that others are doing. As they say in Texas, Microsoft is all hat and no cattle.

  13. Innovation from MS? No thanks by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly, I don't even want Microsoft to be "innovative." At this point, they're pretty much like a public utility – I prefer when they're doing their work in the background, and I mostly only notice if they screw something up.

    The fundamental problem is that Microsoft should be transitioning from a high-growth company to a stable, mature company – from a financial perspective, less emphasis on stock appreciation and more on dividends. People – and more importantly, businesses – rely on Microsoft for un-sexy features like backwards compatibility, familiarity, installed base, and stability (some of the older Slashdotters may laugh, but Windows 7 really is a rock-stable OS, and even a fully patched XP isn't bad.) The fact is that Windows became "good enough" for most users years ago, and everything since then has been either incremental improvements or actual degradation. There hasn't been any major positive "paradigm shift" on the desktop and there won't be. Some users will find that they don't need a full-fledged PC and will transition to tablets, but many, perhaps a majority, still need the power and/or flexibility that only a complete desktop OS can offer. This is Microsoft's niche. They need to focus on it and stop chasing phantoms.

  14. Positive decisiveness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your use of "decisive" is probably the best word I've heard to describe Apple. What set them apart as far back as the gumdrop iMac wasn't their ability to say "no" to things or to innovate so much as their ability to say YES to things without qualification.

    That's Apple's unique strength. While everyone else is hedging their bets and keeping pokers in the fire, Apple bets the farm over and over again. They never doubt. They never second-guess themselves. A decision is made and that's that. They put every . last . resource . into the things that they run with, and as a result, those things carry the weight (the embodied human knowledge, labor, energy, research, refinement, etc.) of the entire organization within them.

    So often in the tech industry you get the feeling that every other company is watching the stats about every product in their lineup, just waiting to kill them at the first hint of weakness and loathe to invest in them further once they're out the door. They keep thirty or fifty or a hundred product lines just barely alive but perpetually on the chopping block, none of them ever named "do or die" for the company, which makes consumers hesitate to use them in "do or die" situations in real life.

    The only other product line that ever seemed even close to as "committed" as the iDevices was IBM's ThinkPad series back in the day, but even then it wasn't at the same level.

    Every time Apple launches a new family of anything (OS, computing device, consumer device, service) there is a vast geography of scoffing from all of the other industry players, and a lot of critics saying they've got it wrong.

    But Apple doesn't care whether they've got it "right" or "wrong," they care that they execute and perfect whatever it happens to be that they've got. In the end, that focus on execution and perfection tends to make it "right" within a product cycle or two.

  15. Courier? by vell0cet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with Microsoft (and other companies) that Apple didn't have is that they are slaves to market research. Apple did what they thought the consumer wanted, instead of researching the consumer and then making the same crap that they were already buying.

    This is the thinking that lead to the cancellation of the Courier (google it, it was awesome).

    By chasing trends, you will never be leading. I think this quote is quite apt:
    "There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them."
                              - Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin

  16. Re:Sorry by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    watch what Apple does... then implement whatever that is in Windows

    And the one time they try to predict where Apple is going and beat them there, we end up with Windows 8 + Metro. I'm convinced that back in 2008 or 2009, Microsoft predicted that iOS and OSX would be merged. I really can't understand any other reason for their current strategy.