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FTC Reportedly Fining Google $22.5 Million Over Safari Privacy Abuse

New submitter Slashbots writes "Google will settle with the FTC for nearly $22.5 million over its bypassing of Apple's Safari browser privacy settings. It would be the largest settlement with the FTC over privacy-related charges ever. By abusing a privacy hole in Safari, Google circumvented user settings to show them advertising and track the user. 'Safari, unlike other browsers, blocks cookies from ad networks like Google's. But because of a loophole, Google had been able to avoid the block, as researchers discovered in February. It installed cookies and tracked Safari users across the Web to show them personalized ads.'"

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  1. Jail Time? by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This thing of "We do something illegal, you fine us, everyone's happy" must stop. Somebody must serve some nice jail time (not much, say 6-12 months) and then maybe such fucked up practices would diminish.
    This is like me breaking into someone's house, pissing and shitting all over the place, then paying a 5 dollar fine for doing so. Would that stop me in the future? Hell no.

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    1. Re:Jail Time? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you imprison a corporation?

      The "buck" is supposed to stop with the CEO of the company so you imprison/fine the CEO and/or the C-level exec who signed off on the project personally.

      Some exec should be seeing either a personal fine, jail time or both.

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    2. Re:Jail Time? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This thing of "We do something illegal, you fine us, everyone's happy" must stop. Somebody must serve some nice jail time (not much, say 6-12 months) and then maybe such fucked up practices would diminish.
      This is like me breaking into someone's house, pissing and shitting all over the place, then paying a 5 dollar fine for doing so. Would that stop me in the future? Hell no.

      Geez, you and your rational views. Don't you know the corporate veil protects all within? I mean, just because Corporations are People .. seriously, they're about as accountable for their crimes as an indigent doing to your house, what you describe. You're hosed, you won't get anywhere prosecuting them. The bank crisis made this painfully clear - so many little crimes done by committee, what can you do, put the committee in jail? Fines are about the only way to punish and usually only punishes those left behind, because the people who committed the actions are now off somewhere with their big bonuses.

      I like the way they fine you in Germany .. it's based upon your ability to pay. It makes you really feel the pain. A rich guy gets drunk and drives across your lawn, he can be fined hundreds of thousands, because it's based upon his income or wealth, not some set, piddly amount. So we implement such a system and then pull back in the people who made these decisions and make them pay .. prevents making a mess and escaping, while others are left to clean up after you. Also encourages leaving your former place of business in good order, going concern looked after sorta thing.

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    3. Re:Jail Time? by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Supposedly it costs $70K per prisoner per year (hmm, I bet it depends where and what security level) so 22.5 million is 321 person-years of prison. That seems a little excessive since you can kill someone and only get a decade or so...

      Not excessive at all when you consider that no one actually has to do the time, live with the felony conviction, etc...

      A better comparison might be:

      Google 2011 Revenues (Income): 37,905,000,000
      Fine: 22,500,000
      Fine as % of Income: 0.06%

      Compare to a "comfortable" person making $100K
      Gross Income: 100,000
      Fine @ 0.06%: $60

      Yeah, somehow I don't think that's much of a disincentive there...

  2. Okay, I'm glad to see this, but ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... like most corporate fines, the number seems absurdly low. $22.5 million is about 0.06% (not 6%, 0.06%, six hundredths of a percent) of Google's 2011 revenue. This would be equivalent to fining the average person about twenty bucks, which isn't much of a deterrent when there's serious money to be made by breaking the rules. Until fines for these kinds of violations at least come close to matching the potential profit, the behavior isn't going to change.

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    1. Re:Okay, I'm glad to see this, but ... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is all so arbitrary. Oddly enough google's fine of $22.5 million is exactly 1000 times the fine of $22,500 that US courts recently upheld as a reasonable fine for pirating songs - that's per song. So if we held "stealing" a user's surfing habits to be equivalent to "stealing" a copy of a song, google's fine would only cover the first 1000 affected users.

  3. Designated Felon by Aqualung812 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The EPA already attempts to do this using what has been termed the "designated felon".

    The idea is that if there are severe environmental damages, the company has to have someone designated as the person that will do jail time. The idea is that this person is in charge of setting and enforcing the policies that will keep her out of jail.
    It even allows someone that violates the policies to be the one that serves jail time. In other words, the DF says "you must do this", and if you ignore that, you do the time.

    However, this isn't enforced as much as it should be, and I'm not aware of any other use of this idea outside EPA regulations.

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  4. Re:Illegal? by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. It wasn't any sort of active attempt at hacking. It wasn't breaking any encryption. Even the EFF admits it was probably unintended.

    Saying Google "used a loophole" is just a loaded way of saying Safari had a bug. The technique had been known for at least two years, and was used by companies other than Google.

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  5. wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    question is, why aren't they fining anyone else who did this? Google is not the only one. I suppose nobody realized Microsoft made the complaint while doing it themselves along with facebook?

  6. Government's Role in "Internet Freedom" by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After seeing how Slashdot reacted to Ron Paul realigning his priorities, I think it's worth noting that "internet freedom" means taking the bad with the good. On the one hand, everyone noticed that SOPA would be an impossibility with the Pauls' new proposition. On the other hand, fines like these or even investigations to what Google or Safari or users are doing on the internet would be completely outside of the government's jurisdiction and as such would requires users to punish Google for these Safari abuses. And it is my opinion that the free market would not only care little about such an issue but be powerless to stop the largest online search provider.

    So remember when you get excited about things like:

    The manifesto, obtained yesterday by BuzzFeed, is titled "The Technology Revolution" and lays out an argument — in doomsday tones —for keeping the government entirely out of regulating anything online, and for leaving the private sector to shape the new online space.

    You need to consider this story and how the private sector will abuse privacy left and right if it drives up revenues. With not even a public slap on the wrist from the government, you are faced with individuals playing a PR campaign against massive corporations. That rarely ends well for the individuals and the users.

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  7. Re:So Safari's privacy setting doesn't work as by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it is supposed to and Google gets fined? Shouldn't Apple also get fined?

    You go to jail for burglary. You don't go to jail for selling locks that a highly experienced burglar can open. Apple did provide security against Random J. Hacker, they just didn't provide enough security against a multi billion dollar company working hard to break the security.

    I bet if you built a safe then Google could find someone who manages to open it as well.