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The Fate of Newspapers: Farm It, Milk It, Or Feed It

Hugh Pickens writes "According to Alan D. Mutter, after a 50% drop in newspaper advertising since 2005, the old ways of running a newspaper can no longer succeed, so most publishers are faced with choosing the best possible strategy going-forward for their mature but declining businesses: farm it, feed it, or milk it. Warren Buffett is farming it, and recently bucked the widespread pessimism about the future of newspapers by buying 63 titles from Media General. He is concentrating on small and medium papers in defensible markets, while steering clear of metro markets, where costs are high and competition is fierce. 'I do not have any secret sauce,' says Buffett. 'There are still 1,400 daily papers in the United States. The nice thing about it is that somebody can think about the best answer and we can copy him. Two or three years from now, you'll see a much better-defined pattern of operations online and in print by papers.' Advance Publications is milking it by cutting staff and reducing print publication to three days a week at the New Orleans Times-Picayune, thus making the Crescent City the largest American metropolis to be deprived of a daily dose of wood fiber in its news diet. Once dismantled, the local reporting infrastructure in communities like New Orleans will almost certainly never be rebuilt. 'By cutting staff to a bare minimum and printing only on the days it is profitable to do so, publishers can milk considerable sums from their franchises until the day these once-indomitable cash cows go dry.' Rupert Murdoch is feeding it as he spins his newspapers out of News Corp. and into a separate company empowered to innovate the traditional publishing businesses into the future. In various interviews after announcing the planned spinoff, Murdoch promised to launch the new company with no debt and ample cash to aggressively pursue digital publishing opportunities across a variety of platforms. 'If the spinoff materializes in anywhere near the way Murdoch is spinning it, however, it could turn out to be a model for iterating the way forward for newspapers.'"

167 comments

  1. Re:Obama and campaign offer no apology to Romney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this I don't even....

  2. subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by kevinroyalty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    my local paper i only want on sunday. in attempting to subscribe for sunday only, they say "no, you have to take it friday/saturday/sunday". i say "sunday only, or i don't subscribe". they wouldn't budge. guess what i decided :) on the occasion i want a sunday paper, i go to the local gas station which is not far from my place and pick up a paper. i won't be shedding any tears when they fold (ha!)

    1. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I know what you mean. I told my magazine publisher I only want even-numbered months, because those are the "special" issues with designated themes, and therefore better. But they wouldn't budge. Insisted I MUST buy the odd-numbered months too. Fie on them!

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    2. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My pet peeve is how they keep treating loyal subscribers worse than new subscribers. I don't understand why either: They practically incentivize canceling your subscription. It's the same with mobile phones.

    3. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      i say "sunday only, or i don't subscribe".

      That amounts to: "Change the delivery method of all your subscribers to suit me or I won't buy 1 paper a week."

      With thinking that idiotic I would suggest you take a pass on newspapers and try a weekly reader.

    4. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by kevinroyalty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you viewed my comment with too wide a brush. let me try to explain. i used to be a newspaper carrier back in jr/sr high school (5.5 years). my customers asked me for newspaper subscriptions like "i want sunday only" and "i want wed and sun only". this was fairly common. when i'd call the newspaper and tell them the amount of papers to deliver each day, they didn't care how many per day, and complied with no issue. the end result: customer happy, me (carrier) happy. i made good money for the short amount of time i worked each day to do that job. so with that knowledge and that now we are 25+ years in the future, i don't see why i can't have the subscription option i want. as a customer, if you want my business, you need to 1) listen and 2) deliver what the customer wants, or they move on and you don't have them as a customer. you get enough of that and you go out of business. the whole point to this, is that the newspaper wants me to subscribe based on THEIR schedule and for me to pay for 3 newspapers a week, when i WANT only 1. Here Mr Newspaper, take my money. No, we want 3x the money and you get 2 more items you don't want. no thanks. no wonder newspapers are dying. Kevin

    5. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are betting people are too lazy to bother cancelling. And since they continue this behavior, they are probably correct.

    6. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      A lot of papers offer Sunday-only subscriptions. Sunday is a big moneymaker, what with all the coupons, night life ads, etc.

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    7. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Primarily because for one reason and another, newspapers aren't really delivered by 14 year old kids who will do anything for a buck and only deliver to a small area anymore. This means that it's a lot harder to do that sort of custom stuff, you had more time than money and were therefor motivated to go the extra mile. Today your paper is most likely being delivered by a regular employee doing a large area and being paid by the hour.

    8. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Wanna know what I've noticed in the shop? Asking customers why they always seem to have that bloated as hell yahoo portal as their home page I've found that they are using it to replace the paper as the papers have gotten too slow, too much press release garbage, too much AP regurgitating. Instead the older folks and soccer moms have switched to the Yahoo Portal while the younger folks use Google News if they want to know what is going on. Hell even my parents who always had a newspaper subscription haven't had one in years, dad uses Yahoo and mom simply goes to CNN on the sat.

      Can't say as i blame 'em, after picking up the local and state paper a couple of months back it was all nothing but old AP stories, who is having a bake sale, who died, and press releases. There wasn't a single article i couldn't have gotten online two days before i picked up the paper. It looks like the days of reporters actually digging and reporting are long gone, now they just copypasta from the corps to keep from pissing off a potential advertiser and reusing AP stuff. No thanks.

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    9. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Thrashing+Rage · · Score: 1

      That's even more funny if you mean this weekly reader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Reader "Weekly Reader is a weekly educational classroom magazine designed for children in grades Pre-K–12. It began in 1928 as My Weekly Reader. " ;) It was good stuff when I was a kid.

    10. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not why they are dying.

    11. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I see lots of ACs telling you why the newspaper can't give you, the customer, what you want. Well, having an excuse for going out of business is nice, but it won't change the fact that you're going to go out of business.

      The way you stay in business is to find SOME way to sell people what they want. If you can't do that, then people won't buy. Nobody cares that you have people you need to pay on Friday and Saturday - they're buying newspapers because they want to read them, not because they want to employ delivery people.

    12. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      Yep, works for me.... use yahoo portal as a page for all of my news feeds, and who needs the daily news.

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    13. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by flyneye · · Score: 2

      I just read the one at work. There's no way I would pay for that drivel,misinformation and disinformation. Especially in an election year.( probably the only reason there are still dead tree versions)
      So Warren bought the farm, huh? The cattle producing the fertilizer aren't getting any better. It's the same old milk and chemicals as always. We get our news from the internet and blogs now. Warren has a lot of paper to clean his butt with I guess. It's interesting to watch someone so respected, fall on their ass with such vigor and determination.
                Wonder if he bought the paper mills too, like Hearst? Then we could all see this is karma for the historical/political demonization of hemp/marijuana.
      Oh well Warren, you know, when you fall on your ass, just remember, "marijuana has gotten me through more times of no money, than money has gotten me through times of no marijuana.
              Lesson: don't throw money at unethical anachronisms and expect you are going to prosper at the worlds misfortune.

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    14. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Instead the older folks and soccer moms have switched to the Yahoo Portal while the younger folks use Google News if they want to know what is going on.

      It's worse than that. The younger folks use Twitter and Facebook for news. A long long time ago newspapers used to print mainly news, but over the decades almost all news media has shifted to giving you opinions rather than factual information. But why bother with the media when you can get opinions and low quality journalism from people you follow on social networking sites?

      The only other thing newspapers have to offer is titillation and a bit of a celebrity freak show, but of course no-one can complete with the internet for that.

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    15. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carrier pay here is so low I don't think most carriers earn enough to pay for the calories burned carrying the newspapers.

      I carried newspapers for a few months about 10 years ago. The route took 30 minutes to complete on a good day. I was paid $90 a month to deliver papers daily. That meant an income of $6 an hour on good days, and $3 an hour on bad days. On average, that meant I earned $5 an hour. Minimum wage here at that time was ~$8.50 an hour.

      I dropped that job as fast as the last carrier dropped it. I could earn an easy $90 a month repairing people's PCs on the weekend, even at age 12.

    16. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      The Chicago Tribune does a Sunday-only subscription. I just want the paper delivered by 6AM. My wife and I are early morning people -- get up early, read the paper with breakfast, and get out.of the house by 7:30AM. Our paper was typically delivered somewhere between 9-10AM on Sunday morning. That's completely useless to us. We no longer pay for a subscription. The Tribune won't stop delivering the paper though.

      We would be disappointed if the newspaper had decent Sunday Funnies. They are the worst of the lot. (I suppose they might be humorous to the geriatric crowd.)

      I get my Sunday news fix from Google News on a tablet.

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    17. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by kevinroyalty · · Score: 1

      troll much?

    18. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2

      It was the automatic renewal that killed the deal for me. Of course automatic renewal is at full price. Can't dodge it by paying cash either. They'll just keep right on delivering, then surprise you with a bill, as I found out.

      The paper (Dallas Morning News) would not offer any subscription plan that did not have an automatic renewal. Tried to claim that people wanted automatic renewal, it was for my convenience, and every paper and magazine was doing it. And I could cancel anytime. All I had to do was call.

      So I canceled the paper. Got better and better offers after canceling. The day I canceled, I was offered 15% off if I would stay, and when I refused, they instantly upped the offer to 25%. Still with automatic renewal, so I refused. They called and called. (They hate to lose a customer who's been with them for 30 years.) How about only a few days per week? Just Sundays? Why wouldn't I renew? A month after canceling, they offered a whopping 50% off. As all those still came with automatic renewal, I didn't bite.

      That was 2 years ago. Haven't looked at one since. Not even a copy from the newsstand. I don't need the paper. Yeah I understand papers are hurting. That's no justification for such pushiness.

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    19. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by operagost · · Score: 1

      Newsweek did that on purpose. It didn't work for them either.

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    20. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by operagost · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should consider whether you are ignorant before calling other idiots. Sunday-only subscriptions have been common for decades.

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    21. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by operagost · · Score: 1

      Maybe these ACs work for the government or public utilities. They're used to dishing out whatever they like without any consideration.

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    22. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now you've just gone full retard.

    23. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Give it a rest. I like how we're in a discussion about how a PRIVATE BUSINESS is being unresponsive to the customer, and you manage to get an anti-government troll in there.

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    24. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I don't see a flaw in the logic. Customer wants something, vendor offers something. Customer states what terms he wants, Vendor says no. Customer walks away. Where is the problem there? Looks like perfectly rational, normal, business to me.

      If they are not willing to offer what he wants, he has every right to not change what he wants to make himself their customer.

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    25. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      I have one friend who reads the paper more than he reads news online. Mostly, I think, because he works as a telemarketer, and its easier and more acceptable to read the paper while soliciting donations on the phone than to whip out a laptop (especially since recording devices are a no no in call centers that take credit cards).

      Every few weeks he comes out with the hot new story thats going to blow my socks off....invariably I already saw it...online...usually days ago.

       

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    26. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      The thing that blew MY mind is I USED to make fun of people for the Yahoo portal, then my ex GF insisted on me setting up her browser for it on my machine which got me to actually try it and....its nice. It gives me the local, state, and national news, the headline "spinner" in the center of the page lets me spin through the headlines of the day without wasting time on crap i don't care about, it lets me preview my mail while i'm at it, its actually not bad at all. They probably need to advertise more because there is a ton of features there I didn't know about, their free games portal and classifieds for one, but all in all its really not a badly designed site once you try using it for a bit.

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    27. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by s.petry · · Score: 1

      A long long time ago newspapers used to print mainly news, but over the decades almost all news media has shifted to giving you opinions rather than factual information

      News always gave you opinion, that's what sold. The problem now is that there are no striking differences in any opinion from paper to TV to Radio to Web. It's nearly always the same opinion if they even decide to talk about "News".

      What I think concerns me the most is that people have not noticed, but you know what? Politicians have. A tiny percentage of the population pays attention to big issues, and when people to point to things they tend to quickly get drowned out by corporate owned media. For two easy examples,, look at the "Tea Party" and "OWS". A majority of people don't know what the (Modern) Tea Party is or why it was started. A majority only know OWS as being a bunch of potheads that want to camp in public parks. This is not getting in to more serious or current issues like Syria, Fast and Furious, Economy, etc...

      This should really bother people and get them to ask others to pay attention. In my opinion it has been bothering more and more people (based in posts and various non-corporate media) so we are getting there.

      We, as a free People, need to remember why the Media was so important. More people need to start asking others to discuss news, political happenings, etc... Alternative opinions are what kept people honest for a long time.

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    28. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same method the Via Coms of the world works. Take everything we offer, the trash included, or nothing at all. I like what DirecTv did for me. Screw 'em, we'll take nothing. Don't miss ViaCom at all. I'm trying to make this a metaphor for the newspaper thing. Did I suceed ?

    29. Re:subscriptions - shooting themselves in foot by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      No doubt some VP of marketing came up with the idea, and nobody has the power to make an exception.

      A human's greatest strength over a computer is their ability to adapt to circumstances. However, corporations have gotten obsessed with running their operations completely by procedure. If they could replace the people with computers they would. However, this makes them completely unadaptable, and they perish as a result.

  3. we can copy him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    somebody can think about the best answer and we can copy him.

    I though the US had allowed business method patents, so copying, well thats a no-no. Its that sort of pirate we need to name, shame and stampout.

    1. Re:we can copy him... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I know! How about pressing dyed soybean paste onto wood pulp, it's way better than papyrus or clay tablets. Totally beats smoke signals.

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  4. Nice power vacuum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As of recently, because private newspapers have been shutting down, going digital only, or otherwise withering on the vine, there is another type that is waiting in the wings to take over mainstream news:

    Newspapers from governments and causes. The whole government of Qatar is paid for because of Al Jazeera. I'm sure other governments will be happy to step in to provide "news" that is slanted their way.

    I'm amazed people like Rush Limbaugh have not stepped in to have their own newspaper printed in a region.

    Sometimes, I hope for a "people's paper". Journalism is like the music industry -- completely and utterly dead, but there are some experienced reporters. Combine that with someone who can do basic paper layout, it might be possible for a local paper to be run on a shoestring and still provide reasonably accurate coverage on news topic. No, they may not have the cool Associated Press articles, but it is far better than nothing.

    1. Re:Nice power vacuum... by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>I'm amazed people like Rush Limbaugh have not stepped in to have their own newspaper printed in a region.

      Well there is one "person like Rush" who created an online newspaper: Glenn Beck. So you can scratch your amazement: It's already been done.

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    2. Re:Nice power vacuum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Fox "news" is exactly what he was describing - it falls under 'causes'.

    3. Re:Nice power vacuum... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Hyperbole much? The problem with journalism is people want stuff for free and traditional outlets that have found themselves under a free market system (rather than being a loss-leader for entertainment segments). The joke of it all is the consumers still want their newspapers, they just want it from the internet.

      And the problem with what people *think* is journalism is too many Limbaugh types have created their own agenda-promoting outlets. Drudge is one, the Huffington Post is another.

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    4. Re:Nice power vacuum... by Genda · · Score: 1

      HELLO!!! Rupert Murdoch... I can't even say that name without Darth Vader sound FXs. Jeez, talk about the dark side of the force!!!

    5. Re:Nice power vacuum... by Genda · · Score: 1

      And people honestly think they can keep getting their news free forever... when will they learn, just because you can't see it, you're still paying.

    6. Re:Nice power vacuum... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Huffington Post? I mean, it even has her name in it and everything. It's really just a collection of blog posts, but they do claim it's news.

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  5. Warren Buffet by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

    The one thing I have noticed is that Warren Buffet cannot resist getting involved in newspapers. Just because he invested money in them, in this case, I would not consider this a smart investment.

    1. Re:Warren Buffet by SurfsUp · · Score: 2

      The one thing I have noticed is that Warren Buffet cannot resist getting involved in newspapers. Just because he invested money in them, in this case, I would not consider this a smart investment.

      It's about time for Warren Buffet to get some comeuppance. A cutthroat buyout specialist masquerading as a down home good ol boy. Admires Lloyd Blankfein. Opines that Barklays did nothing wrong by fiddling the LIBOR. Profited hugely from the world's misery in 2008. Hates technology so much that he believes buying shrinking dead tree newspapers is a great idea, because there aren't any buggy whip factories to buy. Go for it Warren!

      After all, it worked so well for Conrad Black.

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    2. Re:Warren Buffet by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      Chances are he knows what he's doing. If I was investing in news papers I would do the same thing he's doing. Newspapers in small towns have a better chance of turning a profit, because that's generally where people get their small town news. No website is going to report on stuff that matters to them, because those 1k or 30k people towns don't generally matter to them. There's also generally one paper in town which is a plus.

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    3. Re:Warren Buffet by tftp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No website is going to report on stuff that matters to them, because those 1k or 30k people towns don't generally matter to them.

      You believe that in a crowd of 1K to 30K people there is not one geek who can set up a LAMP with Joomla? And that there are no willing contributors who can master the simple user interface of Joomla? Life in small towns is not all hard labor, it's also long periods of boredom.

      A newspaper is a costly proposition. You have to print it somewhere (your 1K village has no printing press!) and deliver quickly, and distribute. There is no feedback.

      An electronic newspaper is free to publish. It supports logins for subscription if you insist on it, but logins are primarily for comments. This makes it interactive. That Fred Smith from a ranch 30 miles down the road does not come to town every day, but he is certain to log in every morning and every evening, read it all and add comments to whatever he finds interesting.

      I haven't touched a newspaper in a decade. Probably haven't intentionally seen one either. Why would anyone want one? It's not even ecologically sensible, to kill trees just to deliver a few minutes per day of amusement to a family when the same, or better, can be achieved electronically, at a millionth of cost.

    4. Re:Warren Buffet by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      I never said "life in a small town is all hard labor" and never eluded to it. Nice try at trying to make me look like someone who looks down on small town people though.

      I did live 30 miles from the nearest town and guess what. I got a newspaper. Was it on my step every morning? No, but it was in my mailbox by the time I got done working. I could have gotten satellite Internet, but I didn't really see the point. I was hardly ever inside anyway. When I did get on the Internet it was via a dialup account and the phone lines were so horrid I'd be lucky to get a 9600 connection. If it was raining or had rained in the last week forget about even trying. A good percentage of the rural population in that area doesn't have Internet at all for the exact same reasons.

      Can someone setup a blog / website that lives in a small town? Sure, why not? I've lived in a lot of small towns and have yet to see someone make a blog or website that could compete with the newspaper. What you're talking about is the exception and not the rule. If you really want to try and refute my point supply some successful examples of an individual running a website that is out performing the towns newspaper.

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    5. Re:Warren Buffet by tftp · · Score: 1

      Nice try at trying to make me look like someone who looks down on small town people though.

      I didn't mean to create such impression. I only wanted to say that people in small towns have free time - perhaps even more of it than people in large cities, just because the nearest theater is 100 miles away.

      I was visiting people in a small town (population about 520) in CA a few months ago. They had wireless internet (Verizon) pretty much everywhere. They had access to Web and email inside the house and outside. In fact, Verizon is their Internet link through a MiFi dongle. Satellite is also an option but they did not need it.

      If you really want to try and refute my point supply some successful examples of an individual running a website that is out performing the towns newspaper.

      We are posting on one. It was custom built from the ground up by a couple of geeks. Today a similar project would take just a couple of hours, not a couple of months. A newspaper is simply not capable of offering an interactive service. Comparing them would be disastrous to the newspaper - that's why newspapers are dying.

    6. Re:Warren Buffet by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you really want to try and refute my point supply some successful examples of an individual running a website that is out performing the towns newspaper.

      Well, here's one... lame as it is, it's better than our "real" rag. Way more competent.

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    7. Re:Warren Buffet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You believe that in a crowd of 1K to 30K people there is not one geek who can set up a LAMP with Joomla? And that there are no willing contributors who can master the simple user interface of Joomla?

      Well yes, that's the cheap and easy part.

      Next the geek has to ditch his day-job and start investigating local stories, to make the site compelling to the potential readership. Travel costs, communication costs, photographers' fees for covering events that the lone geek can't attend because he is fixing the server or meeting with a local politician on a story. Soon he discovers that the major costs of running a "newspaper" are in the journalism.

      Any geek can throw a Joomla website out onto the Internet. That is not going to replace the local rag without a lot of hard work.

    8. Re:Warren Buffet by tftp · · Score: 1

      Next the geek has to ditch his day-job and start investigating local stories, to make the site compelling to the potential readership.

      Stories will be happily delivered by the readership themselves, just as it was happening for thousands of years before.

      That is not going to replace the local rag without a lot of hard work.

      A local rag cannot afford a team of journalists. At best that would be one or two guys, and they can't be everywhere. In the end the stories will be delivered by eyewitnesses themselves. Previously journalists were needed to record the words and to put them on paper. Today a reporting party can post her own words and provide her own photos - from the very site of the story, if need be.

    9. Re:Warren Buffet by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is a news site only insofar as it links to sites that actually *do* report news. It has no (unless you count Ask Slashdot or random interviews) journalism output of its own. So you haven't really provided an example.

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    10. Re:Warren Buffet by tftp · · Score: 1

      So you haven't really provided an example.

      Someone else did.

      Slashdot is a news site only insofar as it links to sites that actually *do* report news.

      Slashdot is famous for not RTFA. Why is that? Because most of the value of Slashdot is not in consuming the news piece and walking away but in listening to what other people say and perhaps adding your own opinion to the mix. Just like we do right now.

      News on Slashdot are nothing but topics of discussion. Humans (not only those of female persuasion) thrive on taking a hypothesis and constructing an entire universe of possibilities out of it. This way one can be creative.

      Besides, plenty of local news can be generated locally, within the community. Just this morning a large trailer was stuck on the road not far from my house, unable to pass a switchback. I could have reported on that; others took pictures with their cell phones, and Highway Patrol was there, and a crane to free the hapless trailer. Majority of witnesses of events are not reporters but regular citizens who go about their business and encounter something unusual. With proliferation of always-on mobile connectivity this is extremely simple. Even major newspapers are not ashamed to ask "Have you been a witness to this event? Tell us all about it..."

  6. I guess they are milking it here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where I live (Vancouver, Canada) both dailies are run by the same company. They print the same stories and have the same pro-corporation slant. One of them uses smaller words and dumbs things down a bit, but they are basically exactly the same. As a cost saving measure and as an ultimate sign of cheapness and laziness, these papers reprint, annually, the exact same stories word for word. The editors are told what their opinions are and quietly promotes whatever rubbish the owner tells them to. There are so many "special information supplements", info-marketing inserts, infomercials, and advertisements disguised as news articles that it just has to be illegal.

    Tell me why I should care if these papers die. As far as I'm concerned it can't happen soon enough.

    1. Re:I guess they are milking it here by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Tell me why I should care if these papers die. As far as I'm concerned it can't happen soon enough.

      I'm pretty much of the same opinion. I'm in Ontario, a few hours south of Toronto right now, and all of the papers are owned by two companies. They all have the same stories. They all have the same types of articles with the same types of spin. They all have pretty much the same content, with the same opinions.

      Someone tell me why I should read them? The Toronto star has been giving away papers at the local grocery stores for months on end trying to drive up subscription numbers. I don't think it's working. Our "local" paper is usually 3 days behind the actual news, the next nearest city paper is usually a day or two behind. Yeah, if I want actual news on events here, I look for local bloggers, or I ask around. Or I go get chummy with gas bar attendants who know the police(usually the same places that have restaurants where they also stop and eat at). Everything trickles down to those guys, and they do know what's happening.

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    2. Re:I guess they are milking it here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in vancouver and can vouch for this. The editors don't even sign their editorials! Land developers rip off the city tax payers for millions of dollars but according to the newspapers it's all okay. Of course they minimize it - the newspapers have a real estate section that told us so.

    3. Re:I guess they are milking it here by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      Where I live (Vancouver, Canada) both dailies are run by the same company. They print the same stories and have the same pro-corporation slant. One of them uses smaller words and dumbs things down a bit, but they are basically exactly the same. As a cost saving measure and as an ultimate sign of cheapness and laziness, these papers reprint, annually, the exact same stories word for word. The editors are told what their opinions are and quietly promotes whatever rubbish the owner tells them to. There are so many "special information supplements", info-marketing inserts, infomercials, and advertisements disguised as news articles that it just has to be illegal. Tell me why I should care if these papers die. As far as I'm concerned it can't happen soon enough.

      You should not care if the Sun and Province die. At least, they should shut down their tree-killing, environment polluting paper editions and go digital like everybody with a clue.

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    4. Re:I guess they are milking it here by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      Someone tell me why I should read them?

      These days I only read newspapers on airplanes, and that is only if power to my (Android) tablet runs out because the cheap buggers could not be arsed to install a USB connector in the seat and I somehow forgot to charge up the day before.

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    5. Re:I guess they are milking it here by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I know exactly what you mean. I have el-cheapo kobo referb($34 can't beat it), and I just got a new smartphone(samsung galaxy gravity smart) basically one of the el-cheapo basement jobs. It only took me 10 years, and I needed one for work. But, such is life. It does give me two ways to read books, and when I'm at the airport it lets me do the same thing. Grab either the paper, or simply read a book on either one. Since I found a good ebook reader for the phone(Aldiko) I've been using my phone more often while I'm on the road.

      And at the very worst, and I don't feel like reading. A lot of airlines like Westjet and Air Canada both have rear-mount LCD TV's now.

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  7. Option 4: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take it behind the barn and shoot it.

  8. So? by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

    People still read newspapers. E-ink or LCD newspapers. If the newspaper can't find a way to convert from wood to electronic, then it probably deserves to die since it's being inefficient.

    That's how the market operates... give the customer what he/she wants or else don't get purchased & go out of business. BTW my two local papers were owned by the same company. They cut costs by merging the two papers since they were basically redundant.

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    1. Re:So? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so you end up with a single source for your news... that tells you all the truth about exactly what is going on in the world/your area.

      and if you believe that, you already know the Republicans are the only party that it makes sense to vote for.

      I agree that free market economics are the way to run these things, but there is a market for printed news. Hopefully these places can streamline their operations (by merging various functions like printing and certain non-news parts) and continue to provide a product.

    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People still read newspapers. E-ink or LCD newspapers.

      Citation needed. What percent of the news-reading public reds on an e-ink device?

      If the newspaper can't find a way to convert from wood to electronic, then it probably deserves to die since it's being inefficient.

      How on earth is an electronic device more efficient? It certainly isn't cheaper, when you count the cost of the device. A huge part of newspaper sales is to the elderly. Many of them will not go drop hundreds of dollars on a device they need to learn to use and charge and maintain.

      That's how the market operates... give the customer what he/she wants or else don't get purchased & go out of business.

      You don't know what the customers want. You need to figure that out before telling everyone else what they are doing wrong.

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Efficiency like in extracting more money from clients.

    4. Re:So? by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Not that I mind but by saying 'that is how market operates' you have given up any control you may have gotten out to 'market' w/o even thinking about consequences and there may be some. Market is not an instance of anything - it is just a way we describe how all agents interact, for simplicity we call it market. The closest that you may come to so called free market is probably Somalia and I suppose you would not like to have that or? So you have some 'non free market' interactions by organized public, legal system (laws, courts etc), financial agents (owners like Murdoch) etc. By saying - market will fix it you give this little that you have of control mostly to financial agents. Now the question may arise whether it makes sense to worry as this control that you have given up was worthless anyway because you had very little of it or because the thing to control was worthless. That however is another issue and maybe one that should be discussed instead. Simple saying like some others here they are all corrupt anyway is silly - after all (mandatory car analogy coming your way) you protect your car from theft not because such protection is 100% but because it makes the life of a thief more difficult. choice is yours. I made my own too - I buy newspapers on saturday only (and sometimes on thu - there is one regional newspaper that comes on thu but it is not glossy shit the glossy magazines are so I guess eventually I am on your 'side' but not because I let the 'market' make a decision but rather because I believe there are still means of doing a journalist job properly and in a way that is acceptable (price, depth & time&space availability) for me as a citizen.

    5. Re:So? by benhattman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That doesn't make any sense. Digital distribution is cheaper, which means you can have more competitors than you could with print distribution.

      What's killing news is that digital means there are essentially no more scoops. When a story comes out, it is on every cable news channel well within the hour, and posted on every digital newspaper within minutes, and news aggregators like HuffPo within seconds. Before, a true scoop meant your had the only paper publishing a story that day. Not only did that garner eyeballs, but it brought prestige too. Now it mostly means increased news consumption overall with a lot of that consumption going to your competitors with no compensation for your own paper's work.

      Which is why news agencies have been cutting their staff for years. It's cheaper for everyone to ride the coattails of someone else. It's even cheaper to have interns watching twitter for trending stories. The bottom line is news is both a product but also a public good, and like many public goods capitalism may not be the optimal structure for maximizing it's non-monetary benefit to society.

    6. Re:So? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>by saying 'that is how market operates' you have given up any control you may have gotten out to 'market' w/o even thinking about consequences

      Better than handing control of the newspapers/radio/television to the government. At least I have some influence over the market ("No I don't want your shit Comcast, No I don't want your damn Microsoft Office, No I don't want your stupid GM car, No I don't want your communist-leaning newspaper."). I don't have jackshit control over the government and its various companies.

      They get my dollars even when the govt-owned company sucks ass. Right now I'm paying for Amtrak trains that I'm not even riding. It would be better if Amtrak were private, and then I'd know ZERO of my dollars were going there. I sure as hell don't want a government-run news company. Bollocks on that.

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    7. Re:So? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>so you end up with a single source for your news...

      Only if I lived in a vacuum. Apparently you think the only way to get news is through a daily paper delivery, but we also have this thing called TV. And radio. And the internet. I hear a WIDE range of views.

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    8. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No one gives a shit what newspapers say any more. You can tell from the article title what the article is going to say, because it will be politically correct.

      The newspapers are run by journalism majors who think their job is to "give voice to the voiceless". They're dying because people are sick of the same heterosexual white cismale guilt liberalism every day.

      Newspapers have admitted to censoring race when blacks commit crimes. If there's a problem, they either find a way to blame heterosexual white cismen, or they ignore it.

      Anyone who suggests anything else is accused of hatespeech and has their career destroyed.

    9. Re:So? by Maestro4k · · Score: 1

      so you end up with a single source for your news... that tells you all the truth about exactly what is going on in the world/your area.

      Odds are that's already the case. In the county I live in we used to have 2 different city papers and a county-wide paper, all independently owned and managed. But that hasn't been the case now for probably two decades. They all got bought up by the same company, and were being printed by the same company and even shared staff. There was no independence between them, the only difference was that the paper for city A would run more stories about stuff that happened only in city A and the paper for city B would do the same for city B. Meanwhile the county-wide paper would run the most important articles that affected city A and B in it (repeating them) along with stuff that happened in other parts of the county. Of course the new managing company ran this into the ground so badly that at some point they started only running a weekly supplement for the two city papers and converted all the city paper subscribers to the county paper. Last year they killed the supplements. Not that it changed anything really, just a few less local news stories for city A & B.

      This isn't a unique situation, it's been happening all over the country. If you want actual multiple sources for your news, you have to look to bloggers nowadays. And everyone knows the news here is biased, they hate the paper, but it isn't improving. If anything it's getting worse, including locking their online news behind a paywall that Murdoch would be proud of. (You can get headlines, nothing else, unless you subscribe to the paper. Yes, not even blurbs about the articles, only headlines. The site's completely useless.) Mainly people buy a copy if they're wanting to check the classifieds (but those have declined with the newspaper declining so even that's becoming uncommon). I figure the paper will completely fold within 5 years and it's unlikely to be missed.

      For some reason, most of the newspaper industry seems to think dying revenues = need to double down and do more of the same. They're killing themselves off, it's less dying due to technological changes and more suicide.

    10. Re:So? by fermion · · Score: 1
      Years ago, just as the average person began to know what the Internet it, my city went to one newspaper. It is was known at the time, but denied, that surviving paper made a buyout offer to speed the demise of the losing paper. I believe that the issue was capital assets. There were simply not enough people to support two sets of building, printing presses, and distribution sites.

      In this transitional period, the question is who is going to pay for the printing presses and buildings that cost the same no matter the distribution? Local papers in major metropolitan areas maybe print a couple hundred thousand copies a day. The WSJ, USA Today, and NY Times sell maybe 4 million papers a day, which is probably on the order of all other major papers combine. These are printed around the country, so probably help support many of the larger papers support the costs of the press.

      So when is the distribution of a physical paper going to be small enough that the huge buildings and presses are going to eb sold, and reports are going to be out reporting, editors are going to be in small offices editing, and no one is going to be sitting around saying how wonderful it is that I can have a big office to support my ego? The Huffington Post model has been criticized, but the citizen reporter model with minimal editor control is going to be future. When there is no need to arrange a page, deciding what goes above the fold, what gets hidden in the middle, what get hidden after a jump, what words get cut because of costs, the expense of a newspaper is simply the cost of reporters.

      Ultimately this will be good. Too much money is spent on not reporting in newspapers.

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    11. Re:So? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make any sense. Digital distribution is cheaper, which means you can have more competitors than you could with print distribution.

      You're right - that doesn't make any sense. Distribution is the least of their costs. Production is the biggest, and digital does very little to cut those costs.
       

      What's killing news is that digital means there are essentially no more scoops.

      Scoops don't pay the bills. You've been watching too many old movies.

    12. Re:So? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who just don't listen or watch the news, and use the internet for porn and faceboook only.

      I was surprised when I found this out, you just need a friend who doesn't fall into the same "intelligentsia" demographic as us. Then you'd also find out why shite shows such as singing-voting-'reality' TV are so popular.

    13. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that the "powers that be" can't seem to separate the content from the medium. We need news, we all want to know WHAT is going on. I would like to see much greater detail of my city and my neighborhood on a site. No, I do not want to get a physical medium, i want a website and would be willing to pay a small fee to skip most of the ads and be able to read the fucking news. Also, don't turn every other "article" into a video of some shit from 10 hours ago, like CNN has done with their RSS feed, then jam the same 30 second commercial in front of all the feeds.

  9. billionaire Phil Ansultz bought lots of newspapers by peter303 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most notable the San Francisco Examiner. Several of his papers are distributed as free dailies in major cities.
    Anshultz media group also owns about a third of US movie theaters (Regal) and show production company that was putting on Michael Jacksons final tour.
    He has not publicly stated what his goals are. His earlier investments were oil and gas, railroads, and fiber cable.

  10. Milk for the win by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    publishers can milk considerable sums from their franchises until the day these once-indomitable cash cows go dry

    What, never? Locally they're milking it. The physical paper version is a spam delivery service with some stereotypical human interest stories that I'm not interested in and some traditional "journalism" that I'm also uninterested in (horoscopes, local event boosterism/complimentary copy, etc), and some AP news items from a couple days ago to fill unsold ad space. They will not stop delivering spam until mailed paper spam stops, maybe even after. The online version I guess delivers spam (I use a ad blocker, I don't even know) but primarily seems to make its money off pageviews of "comments" which are nothing other than paid political sloganeering where paid political operatives sling tired old slogans at each other as a form of spam.

    The cash cow is, give us money, and we'll print your spam and deliver it all over our local geographic quasi-monopoly, I'm not seeing that going away any time soon. Their competitors are US postal mail and direct-mail-spam-services using US postal mail to deliver one pitch per envelope/postcard. Also there are aggregator competitors who mail envelopes stuffed full of coupons and spam and flyers in bulk from multiple companies rather than one promo at a time. Finally there are the special interest papers who will never die, the local free entertainment rag full of which band is playing at which bar and which bar has ladies night on which night, and the occasional political axe to grind slant paper.

    Here's the formula. Get ad contracts with Best Buy / Verizon ATT whatever / local car dealers / Target / walmart / local stores if any remain in business. Surround with some fishwrap, containing a cute picture of a puppy or some kid, fill empty space with AP news articles from a couple days ago, print a zillion copies, hand deliver the spam and spam-envelope to approximately one third of local homes.

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  11. Going Forward by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 1

    "choosing the best possible strategy going-forward for their mature but declining businesses"

    I'm glad to see they aren't wasting time looking into time travel so they can go backward.

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  12. Quality by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with news is that the quality is crap. It's biased, the headlines are misleading, and there's often no research done ahead of time. Nothing of value will be lost there. But good journalism, research, unbiased headlines... they're getting screwed too. And that makes me sad, because the news is essential for the proper functioning of a democratic society. If we don't know what's going on, if we don't have people willing to get in there to get the full story, not just the press releases... we're screwed.

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    1. Re:Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Unbiased headlines" belong in the same fantasy bin as "bug-free code" and "honest project reports". Never happened, never will.

      "Research" and "good journalism" do exist, and yes they're getting screwed because there's no incentive for them. Facts aren't protected by copyright, so they can't be monetized. There's no set penalty in news for getting it wrong, so there's no real incentive to get it right. "Research" in journalism has always been up against a deadline; but with 24-hour news, the pressure is on every journalist to report now, dammit, not in 4 hours' time when they might have some idea what they're talking about.

    2. Re:Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's no set penalty in news for getting it wrong, so there's no real incentive to get it right.

      I think CNN, with their lowest ratings in 20 years currently, would like to disagree with you on getting it wrong. MSNBC being even worse off. As for getting it right a guy named Matt Drudge is only known today because he ran a story that was handed to CBS three different times by different sources and they failed to run it (Clinton and Lewinski for you youngins)

      News media is changing because it used to be possible to bury a story by convincing only 4 people to bury it. Today they have been shown for the outright frauds they are and now they are pissed about it. To this day Dan Rather still claims his falsified Bush memo is real despite EVERYONE ELSE in the country knowing it was fake. He has been fired for getting it wrong. There are penalties. It just took longer for them to arrive than expected, but they are now paying big time for their failings.

    3. Re:Quality by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      "Research" in journalism has always been up against a deadline; but with 24-hour news, the pressure is on every journalist to report now, dammit, not in 4 hours' time when they might have some idea what they're talking about.

      And the idea that it was any different back when major papers published as many six editions a day belongs in the same rubbish bin you consign "unbiased headlines" to. Today, if you're ten minutes late, your story hits the air or the web ten minutes late. Back then, if you were ten minutes late, the length of the typesetting/printing/distribution cycle meant that you would miss an entire edition - and be hours late in hitting the street.

    4. Re:Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you accept poor journalism? I call BS, once upon a time we did have real headlines, but schools now try to teach the dumb students every headline must be cleaver and the result is childishness. Kind of like this web site. Most papers are unreadable. My grammar sucks and I try but I don't paid for it and when people like me can tell an article is poorly written its time to fold the papers. Not to mention one way or another all news is completely slanted in either political direction and its annoying after a while.

      Basically at least in America, journalism has lost its integrity, which I know that's a dirty word for anything now.

  13. it's evolution: adapt or die by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you become comfortable in a certain business model you will die. you have to follow where technology is going and possibly steer it to your advantage. newspapers ignored technology and now that it's hurting them, they trying to catch up. they should have been the leaders in the internet realm as it's purely a communications medium. hell, they should have been driving the internet to new places but instead they are reactionary and slow at that. blogs have shown up far too late and they strait up shot themselves in the foot with paywalls which were put in AFTER so many other site with free content thrived by using advertising systems that didnt suck.

    you need to try a lot of different things. diversify your strategy or your one basket may be in trouble.

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    1. Re:it's evolution: adapt or die by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      It always amazed me how utterly crap their comment system were, and why they made no effort to create an online community around themselves, turning that into a volunteer workforce. If Wikipedia can create an entire encyclopaedia around volunteers, surely a newspaper can turn readers into content providers (and I don't just mean "send in your funny snaps!")

      Even in the pre-net days, pedants would mail letters in to point out errors in spelling, grammar and facts. There are bloggers and activists today who do more investigation (for free) into widely reported stories than 90% of the "investigative" journalists, and 99% of regular journalists.

      It seems like a no-brainer to recruit pedantic readers to become proof-readers and fact-checkers, rewarded by seeing content ahead of time (and the feeling of self-importance.) Or volunteers to create content for the online site from the raw AP feed, the slight re-write that it usually gets. Or the barely rewritten press releases we seem plagued with, you're telling me you pay people to do that? In return, those people get access to the raw AP feed, and press-release stream, (and the sense that they are "Journalists".) The best are "allowed" to do fluff pieces like product reviews and advertorials. Likewise, layout, photo-editing, comment moderation, etc. You might even end up with volunteers doing layouts for the printed edition, in return for free subscriptions and occasional merch. Some might even end up getting paid.

      In parallel, have a mechanism for signed-up members to create their own, public facing, "Front page", selecting the content that they like from any of the newspapers in the corporate family. Costs almost nothing to host, creates entirely new "papers" with their own readership. The best pages share ad-revenue from their page-views. Hell, the best might get their own website. (And the best of those might get a print edition!)

      And host blogs from members to comment at length on stories of the day. The best of the latter not only share ad-revenue, but might end up getting paid for actual opinion columns in the printed version.

      All of this was possible from day one, and certainly became obvious once Wikipedia and blogs exploded, along with user-content driven sites like Slashdot. But the publishers couldn't do it. Hell, it's still possible, but they don't see the enormous resource in their viewers to generate and maintain content. Instead they want paywalls, and whine about google and news-aggregators.

      Hell, we're talking about an industry that basically gave away their prime source of income, classified ads (the so-called "rivers of gold"), to eBay. They couldn't figure out how to put their classifieds online until long after some piss-ant little dot.com had already eaten their lunch, how the hell are they going to figure out how to save their rest of their business?

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    2. Re:it's evolution: adapt or die by StopKoolaidPoliticsT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My local (Gannett owned) paper has always had its biases and whatnot... we can argue about content all day long, BUT they used to have a pretty decent phpbb forum to comment on stories (or whatever people wanted to talk about). The forums were relatively unmoderated unless people became abusive, which allowed a wide range of opinions, for better or worse, to be subjected to debate. About once a year, the forums would get reset and we'd start from scratch.

      Well, at one point back in 2007 or 2008, Gannett made the decision to force all of their papers onto Pluck. It was infuriatingly slow, it could be hard to find stories, but obviously, it was meant to give the papers more editorial control over all of their content (it's nice when you can make stories suddenly disappear from memory) but also encouraged them to do it with reader comments. Opinions which differed from the paper's staff, reasonable and polite or not, were deleted. The paper would start "ghosting" users, so that their posts appeared when they were logged in, but nobody else could see them. Readers that agreed with the paper's biases could get away with any amount of abuse of other readers. The editorial staff and executive staff of the paper didn't care, they just let things fester.

      Then Gannett made the decision that there was just too much abuse going on in the comments and that it was too much work to keep up with, so they switched to facebook commenting (the reality, based on reading a Gannett insider blog, I get the distinct impression that may be that an exeucitve had pre-IPO stock in facebook, so this could be quite a personal boon as well).

      Next thing you know, they were instituting a paywall, requiring a large mandatory subscription increase for paper-only subscribers that have no interest in digital, while simultaneously letting more than two dozen staff members "retire early" and shrinking the paper to a size that you couldn't start a fire with. About the same time, they printed a story on local tax delinquints, only they forgot to disclose that an editor at the paper was himself a delinquint, tried to scrub the posts when a reader posted it and then threatened legal action (ok, "consulting a lawyer about legal action") for libel when the story, along with the link to the state database, spread. A senior editor doesn't know that truth is an absolute defense in a libel/defamation case! And rather than simply admit it, the editor and one of the executives waged an online campaign against the readers before ultimatley hiding the comments.

      They just seem determined to shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity. And Gannett's executives just seem to be milking the company for every little drop they can get out of it along the way.

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  14. Investigative reporting by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two of the big Chicago papers- Chicago Tribune and Daily Herald- each make a point to do investigative reporting, finding information on mismanaged government funds, questionable hiring practices, and other political negligence or misconduct (which we have plenty of). We'll always have some form of news source covering events that are geared towards the media, like the presidential elections, sporting events and press releases, but it takes an established newspaper run by people willing to invest in time-consuming research to generate quality investigative reporting. With politicians who have more clout than an average citizen can handle, it takes a newspaper with a weight of its own to fight back. I realize newspapers are going to have to make significant changes to stay in business, and that many won't make it, but I am worried that in the process we may lose one of our best means of keeping the government in check.

    1. Re:Investigative reporting by vlm · · Score: 2

      I note a lot of govt govt govt politician in your post. Wake me when a local newspaper does a shocking expose on their advertisers, like the local real estate criminals, or the used car dealers, or the local food stores.

      I don't really need journalists to tell me political party A is full of crooks, because
      1) political party B is thrilled to tell me all about how crooked party A is
      2) both sides are equally full of crooks
      3) I have no input on the matter, its not like I have an option for non-crooked govt, or an option to have a representative govt. Thats just not an option.

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    2. Re:Investigative reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this "chicago daily herald"? When I lived there a few years ago, it was the Trib and the Sun-Times. Kind of liked the physical format of the Sun-Times, but their content sucked. Never heard of Chicago Daily Herald.

    3. Re:Investigative reporting by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      It's just "Daily Herald". They're also based in Chicago but they focus on local news, so you get a different edition depending on which suburb/county you are in. They of course cover general nation and Chicago news, but they try not to be redundant with the Trib. I'm in DuPage county, and they've done a number of investigative reports on things around the county, stuff that the Tribune wouldn't be doing.

    4. Re:Investigative reporting by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's much harder to do investigative reporting on private companies, as you basically need a whistleblower on the inside in order to get hard facts*. The papers do have "What's your problem" columns where the newspaper steps in to help a consumer being held at the mercy of a company. Of course, if you want an expose on advertisers, that would require funding newspapers entirely on subscriptions in order to remove any appearance of bias.

      Also, your Party A/Party B comment shows you don't pay attention. When the newspapers dig up enough dirt on a politician, they become a pariah, and other politicians will want nothing to do with them. Your comment is like saying that because athletes get away with some calls when the ref isn't looking that sports are better off without referees. No, the newspapers aren't going to straighten out politics, but they force politicians to maintain some level of honesty. There have been cases where newspaper investigations have triggered criminal investigations. I agree we're never going to get a clean government, but it's thanks to idiots like you that it is possible to get disasters with names like "Blagojevich" in office. They are not all the same, and they are not all crooks (especially the more local you get).

      *Private companies can blow you off a lot easier if you start asking questions, and also will readily sue (retaining lawyers will strain the newspaper's budget). Digging up dirt on the government generally involves public documents and FOIA requests, which makes it easier to build a case and harder for the government to brush it aside.

    5. Re:Investigative reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you heard of something called Fast and Furious? Not even Congress is allowed to look at documentation on that and found the Secretary of Justice in Contempt of Congress with bipartisan support for it.

      You are confusing public information that doesn't make the political party in power being easy to get vs. documentation showing hundreds murdered by a policy being run by the party in power not available even to Congress.

      All of the DNC is standing behind Holder still, despite the amount of negative things he has done. Your Party A/Party B is really only Party A. The DNC never throws out one of their own (with the small exception of Obama will throw out anyone if it a boost to himself for any reason). Examples... Charles Rangle (multiple time tax cheat) is running for reelection, Tim Geitner (tax cheat) is running the IRS, and on and on. Trent Lott lost Senate Majority leader seat for wishing Strom Thurman a happy birthday. So it only seems to work one way.

  15. It's the tragedy of the commons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone thinks the news is free since it's all just a click away. There are lots of great aggregators like Google News, Yahoo, Bing, as well as specialty aggregators like Slashdot.

    SOME news is free. Flikr and tweets by passers by are free, but a worldwide professional staff of reporters, editors and publishing infrastructure (either print or online) is expensive to maintain and will not survive years of wholesale freeloading.

    Longtime newspaper readers have already noticed a substantial drop in the quality of almost every big major newspaper in the country (except for maybe USA Today, which is the exception that proves the rule) over the past ten years or so. They've all had to let go a large part of their staffs.

    So just as people are whining that they don't make pop music the way they used to, so we're starting to see that with the reporting of the news. Yes, there will be plenty of news to read, more than you'll have time to read, but the quality has gone down and will go down further.

    1. Re:It's the tragedy of the commons by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      >>>
      just as people are whining that they don't make pop music the way they used to, so we're starting to see that with the reporting of the news.
      >>>

      This has all been discussed ad naseum. What's new to add, to discover? Naught. WTF: To recapitulate. Add value. The freaking NY Times is chock full of value; believe it or not, weeks, months before an issue of tactic, strategy, tech, business is broached here on the dot it has been purviewed in the Times from a holistic perspective. But with depth of thought, breadth of perspective, or profundity of consequence unlike the boilerplate tropes my compadres here rapid fire rattle off.

      And in this `new world' of free (gratis, no) news, cratered publishers, if shit rules the day then a market for quality news will rise anew. WTF redux.*sigh* The market, man, it works, it's just a lot of old dudes, entrenched dudes panicking: re-mobilize your business plans! Fin.

    2. Re:It's the tragedy of the commons by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Longtime newspaper readers have already noticed a substantial drop in the quality of almost every big major newspaper in the country (except for maybe USA Today, which is the exception that proves the rule) over the past ten years or so.

      Quite the opposite - you haven't noticed a drop in quality in USA Today because it was already pretty close to rock bottom.

    3. Re:It's the tragedy of the commons by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      ...there will be plenty of news to read, more than you'll have time to read, but the quality has gone down and will go down further.

      I can't say I ever felt really deeply fulfilled by having a selection of sound bites read to me slowly by an actor.

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    4. Re:It's the tragedy of the commons by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I was about to write the same thing - unless it starts coming out in crayon done by 2nd graders, how could it be worse????

  16. Re:Jews... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right. We should only ever have posts on /. that exactly mirror what you think is okay. In fact, the entire internet should be taken down so we don't offend someone.

  17. (d)evolution by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Been milking us with faux news and editorials for many decades, politicking, and whoring for advertisements like cigarettes and (p)harmaceuticals. We are going to have to evolve new systems and methods of news capture, aggregation, evaluation and packaging.

  18. Not the paragons of virtue they claim by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A good newspaper that spends time investigating, digging, and has the balls to take on critical issues have been a huge pillar of our civilization. But take my local newspaper in Nova Scotia. Technically it is independent which is great but it is run by one rich family so do you think that it will run exposes on their friends? I can't remember the last time, if ever, they have nailed a slimy car dealership or real-estate agent to the wall as these are some of their biggest remaining advertisers. They did wail away at our current mayor but it was more schoolyard than Watergate. It was a local arts paper that did the gumshoe work that blew him out of office. The Mayor in waiting looks like a putz and I haven't seen them take a single shot at him.

    Move one province over and the major newspapers are owned by the richest family there.

    But the internet is made up of a bunch of little twerps with nothing to loose and everything to gain(becoming the next Drudge) by blowing up an old boys club or two by exposing truths that our local newspapers are too incestuously invested in.... I Love It!!!

    1. Re:Not the paragons of virtue they claim by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Yah, owned by the guy Bill Gates replaced on the richest list.

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  19. Re:Obama and campaign offer no apology to Romney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He should apologize: "I'm sorry Mitt Romney outsourced jobs."

  20. Meet the new boss: better than the old boss by subreality · · Score: 1

    Regardless of how you feel about Warren Buffett, he'll be better for us and better for the newspaper industry than Rupert Murdoch.

    1. Re:Meet the new boss: better than the old boss by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Warren Buffett will be better than Rupert Murdoch how? The so-called Buffett rule/law he is pushing very conveniently helps Buffett avoid paying income taxes. He's just as big a jerk as Murdoch.

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    2. Re:Meet the new boss: better than the old boss by subreality · · Score: 1

      He is at least an astute businessman rather than a hack. The bar is pretty low.

    3. Re:Meet the new boss: better than the old boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to enlighten us, or just demonstrate yet again how much of a right-wing partisan you are who dislikes anyone who is a liberal?

  21. 80% of newspaper income from legal notifications by Bhrian · · Score: 4, Informative

    A local newspaper owner told me last week that 80% of a newspaper's income is from legal notifications. Cities have legal obligations to publish notifications regarding meetings, sales, and such. State law says they much use a local paper that's existed for more than 3 years and has a subscriber base of a certain number. Of course, these same notifications could easily be included in utility bills or other, much less expensive alternatives. Basically taxpayer money is being used to keep newspapers alive.

  22. Mutter's got it wrong by vlm · · Score: 1

    Alan D. Mutter writes that with a 50% drop in newspaper advertising since 2005, the old ways of running a newspaper can no longer succeed so most publishers are faced with choosing the best possible strategy going-forward for their mature but declining businesses: farm it, feed it, or milk it.

    Mutter's smart, but he's got it wrong. Mutter's assuming the product is a constant stable commodity but the real story is how its changing. The strategy first has to focus on what you wanna make and distribute (based partially on what ad contracts you can sell). Then, and only then, can you decide what strategy to push product.

    For example, my local fishwrap has all but given up on reporting news. Why bother, in this era? Every 2-3 years they fire 50% of the remaining reporters and editors. What they are moving into is bulk daily spam delivery. A big ole wad of catalogs and flyers and coupons every day with special bulk on Sunday delivery.

    One of their competitor newspapers has gone from complimentary copy / humor / comics / and some spam to ultra hard core local entertainment news. Every little bar or tavern that has more than 2 stools seems to have an ad or coupon or report in there. Every garage band who has more than 4 fans (the member's moms) has detailed reports on exactly where and when they're playing. Aiming hard for the 22 year old urban drinker. The other "adult" paper has all the refrigerator advertisements and adult diaper advertisements.

    Another competitor newspaper here is shipping product hard on the green thing. Basically complimentary copy for scam health products that just barely avoid FDA legal issues (so Tai Chi won't cure your cancer, but it will reshape your bodys malformed chakra flows and realign your pelvis or whatever). So their product is complimentary copy along the lines of you're green; we're green; we're all green; we all read green spam together.

    So, instead of traditional newspaper, you want to push local entertainment news... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out "farm it" works best, I have no use for drink specials in a bar 120 miles away, but spam about the bar 2 miles away is vaguely interesting to me, or would be if I was a drinker. So, instead of traditional newspaper, you want to be a bulk spam delivery service... again no rocket scientist moment to figure out you milk it, just like "direct mail marketing" except you have no relationship w/ the post office. So, instead of traditional newspaper, you want to basically be a printed infomercial for one (or a couple) products with a distinct non-common man slant... again no rocket scientist moment to figure out you feed it, so you can afford to give your periodical spam-vertisement away at every health food store in the area, maybe one copy in every recycled hemp shopping bag at every vegan organic health food store...

    Oh, you want to publish a traditional newspaper? Oh that strategy is simple, you just go out of business. Kind of like family farming, got a million bucks? Just keep on farming until its all gone. Maybe ask for govt handout?

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  23. Re:80% of newspaper income from legal notification by gregwbrooks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He's right -- for community weeklies and even some very small dailies, legal ads are lifeblood.

    Much less so for mid-sized-and-larger dailies.

    You want to see an incumbent business model act like a pack of pissed-off wolverines? Watch the small-paper lobby go to town when a state legislature suggests that putting legal notices online might -- might! -- be more efficient.

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  24. Re:Jews... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 0

    This offensive post needs to be removed from slashdot

    No. I do not agree with what the jackass says, but I will defend to the death his right to prove himself a jackass.

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  25. Re:80% of newspaper income from legal notification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just legal notifications but also daily police reports, minutes from city hall meetings, and sports scores. If I want to know about local crime I can surf the local police website. If I want to hear news about city hall, they have a website for that. I'll learn more about a sports team if I go directly to the team's website. Why do I need newspapers? I it to hear "editorial opinions" that are paid for by the advertisers?

  26. Re:billionaire Phil Ansultz bought lots of newspap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you misspelled your misspellings twice in your own posting you might want to rethink your misspellings.

    It's Phillip ANSCHUTZ.

    I'm sure his stated goals are implied in his, like Buffett's, highly diversified portfolio: To make a profit.

  27. Newspapers a viction of "de-massification"? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    I think the reasons why newspapers are dying is simple: the "de-massification of the media" (as described by Alvin Toffler in "The Third Wave"), thanks to the dramatic improvements in communications technology over the last 60 years.

    The rise of cable TV in the 1970's and 1980's, paid online services in the 1980's, the public Internet and small-dish satellite TV in the 1990's, satellite radio in the early 2000's and smaller portable devices to get access to the Internet from circa 2006 on have effectively broken the "massified" means of news delivery such as newspapers and evening news broadcasts by major broadcasters. As such, by the time you get the newspaper in the morning, you may often be reading day-old news! Today, with tablet computers such as the Apple iPad, I can turn it on and within 20 minutes find out the latest news using the news apps for BBC, CNN, Fox News, and USA Today, check on Twitter and Facebook feeds, and even check on various news sites around the world. In short, modern technology will make the printed newspaper just about obsolete.

  28. Re:Jews... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grow a pair and remove the idiot's post.

  29. Newspapers are basically dinosaurs as it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why newspapers even exist is beyond me. Im guessing the only reason they stay in business is due to older generations that grew up reading the paper and that demographic alone probablly provides most of them with just enough funds to scrape by and they make the actual profit on the few younger people who buy them. But once the older folks die off papers will as well.

    Newspapers have news I already knew about thanks to the local news channel on tv and the internet. Not to mention the majority of news in the paper is all negative shit I dont care about.

    Even ones from recycled paper still contain non recycled paper which costs thousands of tons of trees (not to mention all the papers that dont get recycled and end up at the dump since most places you have to pay get recycle service) a year and even the recycling process creates waste and lost time, energy, money and manpower to process it. Not to mention the millions of gallons of fuel used to transport them all every year. Newspapers are just plain wasteful and there is no good reason for them to exist at all, even the coupon cutters can download and print exactly what coupons they need instead of buying an entire paper and then throwing 96% of it away.

    Stop wasting resources people. If youre reading this you obviously have internet access to check the news which you can get instantly for free vs paying to buy something that youll throw away.

    Much like the evening news, I stopped supporting the medium years and years ago and I am better off without it. I save my time, I save my energy and Im not bombarding myself with just mostly negative news which makes me a happier person. And in the case of papers I save money and resources by not buying papers. Only thing I used the paper for was coupons, which now I just save and fit 8 or 10 onto a single sheet of paper to print out to take to the store instead.

  30. The issue is journalism by InterGuru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whether we read it on paper on on the screen does not matter. What does matter: "How are we going to support journalism?" . Especially local journalism. Who will cover the zoning board. Who will ferret out corruption? The meetings of the Virginia legislature used to be covered by eight reporters, now it is covered by one. ( From memory, I cannot find the story ).

    New Orleans may give us a preview, since there is no shortage of corruption. While the cat's away.....

    1. Re:The issue is journalism by mykro76 · · Score: 1

      What does matter: "How are we going to support journalism?" . Especially local journalism. Who will cover the zoning board. Who will ferret out corruption? The meetings of the Virginia legislature used to be covered by eight reporters, now it is covered by one.

      The market always provides through emergent behaviours. I am expecting this to be the next big thing from Google. Individuals will take it on themselves to cover the zoning board and deliver reports on Google+ / Blogger. Similar to Youtube, Google will start profit-sharing with producers of quality and unique content, delivering a cut of the advertising revenue straight to their Google Wallet. Thus local journalists receive an income stream.

    2. Re:The issue is journalism by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      New Orleans may give us a preview, since there is no shortage of corruption. While the cat's away.....

      New Orleans didn't become corrupt as a side-effect of the decline of the T-P. It's been corrupt since the beginning, and the local newspaper hasn't had damn-all effect on things.

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  31. Farm It, Milk It, Or Feed It by AmazingRuss · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and if that don't work, Fuck it.

  32. Give them purpose again. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Make them watchdogs again. My local example, the Los Angeles Times, is pretty much just a sock puppet for the state government. Reporters never ask follow up questions, and just nod their bubbleheads at whatever insane drivel politicians spout.

    See "Transmetrolitian" by Warren Ellis for a template.

    Quote: "I want to see humans talking about human life personally. I want to see people who give a shit about the world. I want... I want to see posessed journalists! YES! I want to see people like me rising upp with hate, laying about them with fiery eyes and steaming genetalia--possessed by ancient volcano gods from the polynesian islands, waving vast breasts and improbable penises at the secret chiefs of the world--naked glowing god-journalists browntrousering the naughty twenty-four hours a day, a new planet earth"

    To paraphrase Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now, give me ten newsrooms full of these possessed journalists, and our problems here will be over very quickly.

    1. Re:Give them purpose again. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My brother has worked for some major metro dailies in the Northeast, including as managing editor. He's recently decided to leave the industry at perhaps the peak of his career because he's convinced it's dying.

      We discussed it and came to the same conclusion as you. The fundamental problem isn't the business model, it's an apathetic citizenry. If Americans cared deeply about civic issues and governance, rather than American Idol, they would find a way to fund good journalism. But if they don't, there's no business model that can keep good journalism going.

      I only hope it takes something less than a national tragedy to re-invigorate the American people's concern for good governance.

    2. Re:Give them purpose again. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      So investigate and raise hell and give people something to get riled up about.

    3. Re:Give them purpose again. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      So investigate and raise hell and give people something to get riled up about.

      The point is that this doesn't seem to have worked. If you look at the horrible things Congress and the President have done over the past 12-16 years,
      I don't notice a lack of information reaching the public. What I'm struck by is the general public's apathy and/or resignation.

      The CIA tortures people. The executive branch (and now Congress as well) has suspended Habeus Corpus for anyone called a terrorist. The TSA violates the 4th Amendment with their VIPER program (traffic stops and searches on public roads without probable cause). Copyright extensions are written by RIAA and MPAA lobbyists, and become law without debate. Pelosi tells Congress that they'll need to pass the health care bill to find out what's in it, AND THEY ACCEPT THAT. We've lost our gold-plated credit rating, and we haven't passed proper budgets in several years (if I recall correctly).

      These allegations are widely known and accepted, and yet for some reasons those in power have not been significantly held accountable.

    4. Re:Give them purpose again. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      It's the remoteness of national issues (not an excuse, just a hypothesis), even the TSA stuff to people's minds. That's why I'd like to see more state level or city level investigative stuff. Expose the things in people's own backyards (sometimes literally). Start fighting the corruption locally. I think there's a whole science of watchdog journalism to be forged here. Better to start small anyway.

      I have to admit to a certain level of apathy myself. It stems from a feeling of "OK, bad stuff happening there. WTF do I do about it?" And I sit there like Pooh Bear all "think think think" and all I come up with involves starting a major third party deliberately designed to avoid ideology ("all we care about is what works"), with the requirement that you subject yourself to a test for sociopathy (is there one?) before you can claim a candidacy for office in this party.

      And then I notice Minecraft got updated. ;-)

      Even I have to admit it gets hard to care in a world run by the alpha sociopaths.

    5. Re:Give them purpose again. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      My inertia mainly comes from a sense that I can't really change anything of import.

      For example, I was deeply pissed off about the CIA exporting suspects for torture. But when I saw that a sizable fraction of Americans were like, "So what? They're terrorists, so they deserve it." or "They might be terrorists, and I'm really afraid of terrorism, so let's torture them just in case it's a ticking-bomb scenario.", I just felt like there was little point in trying. I would just be yet another protester with a placard in front of the White House being ignored by most people and mis-characterized by Fox News.

  33. So, can New Orleans be even more corrupt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With investigative journalism on the wane, how much worse can it get?

    There's an old joke: one half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment.

  34. News PAPERS are dead - the news isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's obvious that news papers are dead and dying, from an economic perspective, but not from a reader's perspective. Nothing beats unwrapping a fresh newspaper, and nothing beats knowing that there will be a fresh newspaper right there outside your door, every morning. But the reality is that the economics of all that don't really work anymore. I'm sure that within 5 years (10 for sure) newspapers will be a luxury item, not a highly affordable commodity as it exists today. I'm not sure what that will do for the freedom or quality of the press per se - reporters will exist, but will editors?

    1. Re:News PAPERS are dead - the news isn't by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Nothing beats unwrapping a fresh newspaper, and nothing beats knowing that there will be a fresh newspaper right there outside your door, every morning."

      I wouldn't want one if it were free. More paper waste, and I'm quite ancient (53) and grew up with the limited info of local papers.

      I want my news online so I can monitor MORE content which interests me and ignore the bullshit.

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  35. Are you lost? by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It takes a lot more than that to get a slashdot comment deleted.

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  36. The newspaper is dead. Let it go. by symbolset · · Score: 2

    The business model of newspapers died. It's not coming back. It had a long and glorious run, and it's over.

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  37. Where do Online News Aggregators Get Their News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some people say the place they get their news is from online news aggregators. Well, if you look, most of that news comes from news papers and the newspapers get much of their news from sources such as the AP, Reuters, etc. Kill off the newspapers and online news will also disappear.

  38. Re:Obama and campaign offer no apology to Romney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you just move to Canada already? Nobody here likes you.

  39. Traditional Newspapers are going away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but niche newspapers are booming, I know the owner of makemynewspapers.com and their sales are doubling every quarter and they even have a UK subsidiary now

  40. Newspaper magnate... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Newspaper magnate: the new Pauper Prince

    Citizen Lame

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  41. Not like they're the first industry to go belly up by WillyWanker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's like watching the end of the horse and buggy, icebox, or gas lamp industries. Only with more copyright/extortion suits.

  42. How to fix the NOLA.com redesign by dannydawg5 · · Score: 1

    My local paper (AL.com) got hit by the same fate as the New Orleans newspaper (NOLA.com): a reduced schedule, and a horrible redesign.

    There is now a massive floating banner that covers a full third of my netbook screen. It is intolerable.

    Therefore, I wrote Firefox and Chrome add-ons to remove the floating banner. It works on NOLA.com, AL.com, MLive.com, and MassLive.com.

    Enjoy:
    http://dannagle.com/2012/06/advance-digital-banner-blaster/

    1. Re:How to fix the NOLA.com redesign by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Yikes, I guess they haven't pushed this "feature" to nj.com yet...

    2. Re:How to fix the NOLA.com redesign by dannydawg5 · · Score: 1

      When they do, the add-on should work there too. It covers all the Advance Digital news properties.

  43. Re:80% of newspaper income from legal notification by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    You want to see an incumbent business model act like a pack of pissed-off wolverines? Watch the small-paper lobby go to town when a state legislature suggests that putting legal notices online might -- might! -- be more efficient.

    That just happened in Texas. The newspapers won, this time.

    In Illinois, there's a real battle. The newspapers have their own lobbying site. Several bills are pending in Virginia and the newspapers there are frantically lobbying.

  44. Re:80% of newspaper income from legal notification by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

    NJ was thinking about it, and the local rags weren't too happy: http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/01/legal_notice_bill_a_sneak_atta.html

  45. I stopped carring about newspapers by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    when they stopped caring about me. When was the last time a story like Watergate broke? When was the last time the papers challenged the powers that be? Sorta hard to do that when the powers that be own you lock stock & barrel. Why would I pay 50 cents/day to read the same corporate drek and propaganda I can get for free in their advertisements?

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    1. Re:I stopped carring about newspapers by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Depends where you are... We've had the MP's expenses scandal, phone hacking, government in bed with Murdoch and olympic tickets for sale under the counter. All that in the last year or so.

      However, what I will say is that even though a couple of these are really pretty serious, they have caused a 'scandal', but nothing like the scale of things that have gone before. That's not a quality issue, or a news paper circulation issue - it's because the people just don't care like they once did. We're more interested who's winning X Factor than we are about constitutional peril, and so quality journalism has less of a standing in our lives.

      That said, I've never understood why newspapers couldn't do a "just buy the bits you want", so we didn't end up with a sunday paper that was 80% useless. I also never understood why they spend 3 paragraphs getting to the bloody point. These are the primary reasons I don't read the papers and go elsewhere for my news.

  46. "evil" corporations by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Warren Buffet? The "darling" of the leftist like Obama? A CEO who cuts staff? Oh, but he's a buddy of Obama, so that's ok. Heck, you can tell most paper conglomerates have cut staff. Just look at any of the Gannett organizations sites. The articles appear to have been put together by high school students, no fact checking, spell checking or any other sentence structure. Dead tree papers are a dying breed. The sooner they go the way of the doh-doh bird, the better. When my generation dies off (50's and older), that will pretty much spell the end of em. Some papers like my local, have a PAY website, but it's a joke. You can view 20 articles "free" then they want you to shell out 10 bucks a month to view the site, but, their I.T. department isn't smart enough to run a website & it is easy to bypass and view anything you want, at any time.

  47. king fucker chicken by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

    keyword: strainedanalogy

  48. The problem with going digital... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    ...is that you're going from "paper dollars" to "digital dimes". In "the good old days" newspapers used to have a virtual monopoly on "the information sideroad". They could charge extortionate ad rates and get away with it, because they were "the only game in town". Then came the internet. Canadian example; You can...
    * search a a very specific home at http://www.realtor.ca/ for free
    * search for a very specific jobe at http://english.monster.ca/ for free
    * search for used cars and light trucks at http://www.autotrader.ca/ for free
    * search for a whole bunch of stuff at craigslist or kijiji or ebay for free
    * go directly to Walmart/Futureshop/etc websites for free without waiting for the weekend edition with all the supplements

    This drives a stake through the heart of newspaper revenue. Click-through and Google type ads bring in approximately 10% of what their paper equivalants do. That's why newspapers aren't going digital like people expected. Your subscription barely pays for the price of printing and delivering the paper to your doorstep. It's the classified ad revenue that pays for reporters at city hall, not to mention in Washington, Baghdad, Moscow, etc. Slash newspaper revenues by 90%, and the model collapses, even if you go to "digital delivery". Just like "video killed the radio star", so too is the internet killing large city daily newspapers.

    Sorry, newspapers as we know them are doomed.

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  49. Re:Obama and campaign offer no apology to Romney by Genda · · Score: 0

    Not so fast! his name may be Atilla, but we all call him Hun.

  50. Obviously none of you listen to international news by M1FCJ · · Score: 2

    The reason Murdoch is separating his newspapers from his TV empire is the scandal in UK where his newspapers got caught with their pants down bribing police, hacking into people's voice mails and outright corruption at the highest levels of the Government. He's now being investigated in US because of some of these practices. It has nothing to do with the success of the newspapers. With this scandal, his TV empire has caught some attention over here and he's already been blocked from taking over an other network.

  51. Farm It, Milk It, Or Feed It... by rHBa · · Score: 1

    ...and eventually slaughter it.

    Just like they way they treat sports people in the UK

  52. Yes, but is what they publish "news"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I read the "news" there is almost no real news. I get to where I don't even want to wade through my RSS feeds to try to find actual news articles. Over the past few years it's gotten so bad it takes me longer to wade through my RSS feeds than to read the actual worthwhile articles.

    Most of the 24/7 news cycle is filler. Speculation (something might happen if a lot of conditions are met), press releases as news stories, election propoganda, blogspam, fluff articles, random famous people who die, celebrities, headlines that end in a question mark (which tells me not to bother reading it), and so on. I don't want to waste my time on this filler.

    I'm getting to the point where I would pay for an RSS feed that only had news, that is have someone who would delete all the non-news garbage. I want the economic numbers that matter, substantive election news (why can't candidates just spell out exactly what they would do? I don't care how much you hate your opponent or how awful he is), actual world news (not some expert speculating on what might happen), and so on.

  53. Re:Obviously none of you listen to international n by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    Actually, MORE people care about international news because of the Internet. That's why I read the websites for BBC News, Times of India, and even People's Daily in China on a fairly frequent basis (the People's Daily web site is available in multiple languages). The scandal involving Rupert Murdoch's newspapers were well-covered in the USA, so most Americans knew of that scandal.

  54. newspaper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dead business model is dead. Let it die.

  55. What's Important Here? by jasnw · · Score: 1

    The key issue regarding news delivery is the critical importance of well-researched and unbiased reporting to the health of a democracy. Assuming that the traditional newspaper is dying, a new model needs to grow in which the costs of doing this reporting are covered. If you don't have professional, independently-funded reporters you will not get the in-depth, researched, and verified stories that delve into the dark corners of corporations and Government - you'll get schlock reporting that skims the surface, self-agrandizing (read Rush Limbaugh) reporting, highly-slanted (read Fox News) reporting, and aggregators. Good news reporting need to find a way to get paid for, and not by the Murdochs of the world but by the great unwashed masses. Unfortunately, everyone now seems to think that everything should be free (hear the howls when some big newspaper puts up a paywall), an attitude that is pushed hard by certain political types who see this as to their advantage.

    Bottom line - how it's delivered isn't really that important. How it's paid for is critically so, as is paying those who really produce the news a living wage.

  56. Option #4 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    Actually start delivering real content that is properly edited, checked, etc.

    Seriously, newpapers - both on-line and in print - are getting worse and worse about grammatical mistakes - punction, grammar, spelling, etc. They rely too much on technology to find the problems, and don't even do that in many cases.

    The 3rd book in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (The Girl who Kicked the Hornet's Nest) has a good take on the whole issue. Newspapers need to cut management costs, increase staffing, and actually produce good work. This will in turn bring in more readers and advertisers. Sadly, management is too concerned with their bonus' to make a good long term decision for the health of their company.

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  57. Re:Jews... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

    Two points: (a) I'm not an American, and neither was Voltaire, but congratulations on proving yourself just as much if not more of a mindless bigot as the GPP; and (b) the emphasis was not on rights but on the idiocy of the GPP (hence the use of the term "jackass", though I'll concede the possibility that's regarded as a compliment in your social circles), precisely because I know that the comment won't be removed and being a whiny little bitch about it is utterly pointless.

    HAND.

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  58. If newspapers stopped sucking a communist dick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they might make some money!

  59. Unpaid reporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a time when I could report for my local newspaper and get paid $50 per article for as many articles as the editor would accept. Then, about ten years ago, the editor told me he only had a $200 a week budget so he couldn't use me any more. About five years ago they stopped paying freelancers altogether. The editor/reporter/photographer could only write two or three stories a week so they filled the paper with junk off the wire. I stopped my subscription. So did everyone else.

  60. girlintraining... by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Where did you come from and how are you modded up to the top 5 comments in story after story?

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  61. Newspapers killed themselves by nobaloney · · Score: 1

    Newspapers are killing themselves. It's a slow death, and it's taking a long time, but they're doing it. For many years it was well known that newspapers lost money on the selling price; they made it on the advertising. So along comes the Internet, giving the newspapers the chance to get rid of the costly distribution method and deliver the news, paid for by advertising, at a higher profit than ever before.

    But they blew it. They already had the newsgathering staff, and the editorial staff, the ad-selling staff, and the production staff. They were way ahead of the Internet news startups. All they had to do was convert to website delivery, bring in the readers, and sell the advertising. They even had their old wood-pulp delivery model they could use for free advertising to their current customers.

    So what did they do? They put up paywalls so the news, and the advertising, was unavailable to anyone, even current subscribers to the wood-pulp product, to see the Internet product.

    Lots of business models have given way to computers and the Internet; this is just one of them. Too late now. Time to move on.