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Tasmanian Cops Decline To "Censor Internet"

aesoteric writes "Tasmania's police force has taken the unusual step of asking the public to stop alerting it to every 'abusive or harassing' comment posted to Facebook or other social media sites. The force said it was 'increasingly receiving complaints' about material posted to the sites, but sought to clarify that 'the use of technology to undertake some conduct does not in itself create an offense.'"

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  1. Re:Its Tasmania FFS by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a devilish insult, it really bugs me. You must be daffy spreading this FUDD.

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  2. Dodgy headline on TFS by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saying that "Tasmanian police decline" to do something implies that they are actually empowered to do so as a matter of course. I suspect the Tasmanian police cannot censor the internet, and even if they were given a court order only limited censorship could be attempted (likely with even more limited success).

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    1. Re:Dodgy headline on TFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suspect the Tasmanian police cannot censor the internet, and even if they were given a court order only limited censorship could be attempted

      I agree! The Tasmanian police definitely need to be given wider powers to deal with incivility on the internets. Remember when you criminalise Facebook, only criminals will use Facebook. Which would be a pretty convenient way to round up criminals if you think about it.

    2. Re:Dodgy headline on TFS by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is their own fault for implying they can do something.

      According to this site they host or work with other sites to inform kids that what they are complaining about could be a crime. It's right there under the header "Department of Education (DoE) Tasmania"

      "This site presents information for school communities about the criminal offense of cyber bullying. Students should be informed that if they use technology in an inappropriate fashion then they could be committing a crime."

      My guess is that some people were sleeping in class when instructed on this, or some people got mad at comments posted and looked to find what could be done to discover that "It might be a criminal offense" connected to "cyber bullying" and considered the comments that offended them as bullying and a criminal offense.

      This is probably why it's the Tasmania police taking this unusual step too.

    3. Re:Dodgy headline on TFS by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's one way of looking at it. I was looking more at the ridiculous expectations that people seem to have about law enforcement and "law" and "enforcement" and all that.

      People need to give up on the "this offends me and so it is illegal" crap.

    4. Re:Dodgy headline on TFS by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 4, Informative

      An incident off the ball can and should be consider assault with battery and should, in my opinion, be reported to the police.

      "Consent is implied to those things which are inherent in the sport. Participants are generally deemed to not consent to behaviour outside the laws of the game. Claims of foul play being a "normal" part of the game are in most cases rejected - i.e. illegal tackles

      McNamara v Duncan, 1971"

      And yes, it was an Australian case (AFL as it happens).

      And if you think the school has primary responsibility for educating your child I think you might have parenting a little be wrong.

    5. Re:Dodgy headline on TFS by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

      True... sometimes it's "it *might* be offensive" without even checking with others for opinions.

      In the end, people need to get over their crap. Excuse me while I draw some more Muhammad cartoons.

  3. Re:The real issue... by oztiks · · Score: 5, Funny

    THATS IT IM CALLING THE COPS!

  4. Re:The real issue... by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

    What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police. The kind of person that would do such a thing is surely the worst on earth.

    Yes, I'd report them ... oh wait.

  5. I'm Telling Dad! by Aereus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this smack anyone else as really immature? It reminds me of siblings threatening to tell your parents about something. Or telling the teacher if someone is picking on you in school. Do they honestly think this is a worthy use of their police resources by having a thin skin and crying to the police about every random person that says something about them on the internet?

    1. Re:I'm Telling Dad! by Craefter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It IS immature. I believe that the general public (especially Facebook users) does not develop mentally past the 14 year old stage. Sure, people get "older" (if you cut them in half and count the rings) but that doesn't mean they automatically get "wiser". I think the biggest downside here is that those people like to use their birthdate for a measure of respect they should be receiving.

      Now get off my lawn!

    2. Re:I'm Telling Dad! by isorox · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think the biggest downside here is that those people like to use their birthdate for a measure of respect they should be receiving.

      Now get off my lawn!

      Agreed - slashdot uid is a much better measure

    3. Re:I'm Telling Dad! by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm game as long as you are sharing more then I have to.

      Greed is inherent in behavior without capitalism which is why we have to tell children to share when they are young then tell them again not to share when they get older and start using the intertubes.

      The problem isn't sharing or lack thereof. That's usually a symptom. The problem is taking - sharing is what hopefully happens after someone has already taken more than what's fair. But it's just a remedy, not a cure, and it's not even true sharing. It's unclean hands.

      If a child takes the entire cake and then gives back half so his brother can get some, he shouldn't be rewarded for sharing. It wasn't his to share.
      If he, on the other hand, is given a chocolate, accepts it in the faith that everyone got some, and upon finding out this isn't true shares it, it should be rewarded.

      Wait, its the internet that makes people greedy.. hmm.

      In some ways, unfortunately, this seems to be the case. I see more cases of people feeling entitled to anything they can get than, say, 20 years ago.
      When a BBS closed or became subscription only, people would sigh and move on. If a web site closes or becomes subscription only, people will send hate mail because they're deprived of something they felt entitled to.
      Yes, I would call this greed.

    4. Re:I'm Telling Dad! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe that the general public (especially Facebook users) does not develop mentally past the 14 year old stage.

      And they think you are a computer nerd who is completely out of touch with real life and incapable of understanding human relationships to the point of understanding things like Facebook or social interaction.

      This feeling is universal. Everyone else is an idiot, except the ones who agree with you. The world is full of morons, if only you were in charge or could make them see...

      Newspapers discovered this was the secret to increased sales decades ago.

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  6. Re:The real issue... by RogueyWon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As an intermittent reader of some of the unofficial/unsanctioned police blogs that have sprung up in the UK over the last few years, I was entirely unsurprised by this story.

    Complaints to the police regarding rude messages on face-book are absolutely nothing new. Most of those in the UK seem to come from the lower rungs of the social ladder and are normally couched as complaints of "harassment" (though as in Tazmania, most of the complaints fall well short of the level needed for the behaviour to be criminal).

    The real story here isn't about technology or Facebook or Twitter or whatever at all. It's about the fact that large numbers of people are so bad at managing their own lives and so used to having other people (usually some agency of the state) sort everything out for them that they think it's appropriate to bring the police into mundane arguments and disputes.

  7. Actual Tasmanian here, giving you some context... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Without being to specific, I can give you some context here as an actual Tasmanian.

    Right now Tasmania's police force is being forced to make such strict budget cuts. The budgets are so razor-thin that some outer-metropolitan police stations are having their staffed hours cut back to 10am-4pm on weekdays.

    Beyond that, anyone with a finger on the pulse of the Tasmanian community will tell you that while there is a great deal of respect for the job our Police do, there is a broad lack of community confidence in our state court system. As an all-to-common example, last month someone received a wholely-suspended sentence for ripping the heads off of two kittens in front of their owners. No I'm not making this up.

    When you look at these in context and take a step back, it's pretty obvious that all Tasmanian Police are saying is that they don't have either the resources or the legal power to do anything about online harassment. Unless an actual violent crime linked to online threats take place there's nothing material that they can do anyway, so people are far better off taking their complaints further up the chain to someone empowered to actually do something about it.

    Bloody mountains from molehills...

  8. Public still working out where the line is... by just+another+AC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This basically boils down to something we have seen countless times over the years.

    A new law came in, in response to something awful happening, someone who is being harrassed (via the internet) to the point that they commit suicide.

    The police were doing what I think was the appropriate thing, realising that it was probably youths that were more at risk, started a campaign to educate them about the fact that online harrassment can be criminal. So far so good...

    But society doesn't change overnight. It takes time. Right now we are at the point where we are accepting of the fact that it is indeed wrong. We are accepting of the fact that there is some line that when crossed makes it criminal. If it does not reach that line, it is still frowned upon but we should not report it to law enforcement. In people's mad dash to be politically correct and overly sensitive, they are reporting stuff that should merely be frowned upon and gotten over. Eventually they will find the appropriate equilibrium and in the mean time the police have told the public they need to push that line towards the more serious occassions of cyber-bullying.

    Other examples are when sexual harrassment gained widespread acceptance people would threaten to call police over once off jokes, or a glance held for a second too long. We as a society have now (MOSTLY) worked this out, using other means of punishment, in that sexual harrassment is still frowned upon but police aren't deluged with frivolous instances.

    The only bit I don't understand is that we already had harrassment laws. Why do we need a seperate law for "harrassment on the internet"? But then again I don't understand why we need separate patents for "(existing process) on the internet" either