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The Web Is Not the Internet

pigrabbitbear writes with this rant from Motherboard.vice.com: "The Internet and the World Wide Web are not the same thing. They're not synonyms. They don't even serve the same function. And, just like how England is in the United Kingdom, but the United Kingdom isn't England, getting the distinction wrong means you can inadvertently sound like a dummy. Most of the time they can be used synonymously and no one will care, but if you're talking about history or technical stuff and you want to be accurate or a know-it-all or beat a computer at Jeopardy, you should know the difference. The Web was born at CERN in 1990, as a specific, visual protocol on the Internet, the global network of computers that began two decades earlier."

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  1. And 2+2=4 by dmesg0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now we all know.

    1. Re:And 2+2=4 by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now we all know.

      But 2+2=5, for very large values of 2

      This whole arguement is a single voice mumbling in a maelstrom. Rather like people pointing out the 21st century began on Jan 1, 2001, not on Jan 1, 2000 (while being utterly ignored by all the happy people partying.)

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:And 2+2=4 by asdf7890 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (while being utterly ignored by all the happy people partying)

      While sensible hedonists used the confusions as an excuse for an extra large party two years running.

    3. Re:And 2+2=4 by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're going to argue that 2.9 is a large value of 2, and not a small value of 3 (in other words, if you're going to truncate rather than round), then you need to do the same action to the result as well. trunc(5.7) is 5, not 6.

    4. Re:And 2+2=4 by tqk · · Score: 4, Funny

      As an engineer, I interpret the value 2 as anything that is usually and reasonably rounded off to 2 ...

      Well you (and all these other idiots) should be ashamed. 2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.

      You sound like a bunch of Cardinals discussing how many angels fit on the head of a pin. First you assume angels exist, and it all goes downhill from there.

      Great, you're an engineer. Just don't touch anything!

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      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
  2. Interweb by TechwoIf · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is interweb, not internet. ;-)

    1. Re:Interweb by boristdog · · Score: 5, Funny

      interwebs is plural, duh.

    2. Re:Interweb by mech_knight · · Score: 4, Funny

      interwebs is plural, duh.

      Interwebs ARE plural, duh.

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      "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you?" --Yoda {whips out green light saber}
    3. Re:Interweb by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Always been partial to intertubes.

    4. Re:Interweb by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Funny

      What you do in the privacy of your own home is none of our business.

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      Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
  3. well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not news for nerds or stuff that matters.

    1. Re:well duh by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not sure it's news for anyone. I know completely nontech folks who get the distinction because the use the web along with email and messaging and video streaming and online gaming. They seem to refer to the "web" when appropriate, and when they occasionally don't, who the hell cares?

    2. Re:well duh by Wovel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did a poll of my 3 year old son, my wife, and my 85 year old grandmother, none of them thought this was news. How does this crap get on the front page. This site is turning into a vanity press for people who can game the firehose.

  4. Why, thank you for that pedantic rant by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bet you're a hoot at parties. I can only imagine how charming a fellow you are when someone uses the term "hacker" to refer to someone who breaks into computer systems.

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    What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
  5. Laymen's Terms by russlar · · Score: 5, Funny

    The internet is a series of tubes, the web are the cats clogging the tubes.

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    Anybody want my mod points?
  6. This is Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck happened to this site? Seriously.

    I used to come here daily to get my news fix and now it's more like once a month... and I'm immediately disappointed in the quality. I can't even be bothered to log in anymore.

    This is amazingly horrible.

    1. Re:This is Slashdot? by datavirtue · · Score: 4, Informative

      I stay logged in. But I agree, this site is painful anymore, and I find myself browsing it less and less--ignoring stories more and more with an eye roll. To me, it is sad as there are no other communities which equal what /. once was. I would pay for membership to clean it up. Free sites are becoming useless because of crap invited by the ability of people to signup and post without barrier.

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      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
  7. The article's wrong too by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Informative

    What's not on it: Lots of stuff. E-mail, smartphone apps, peer-to-peer file-sharing networks, instant messaging programs, FTP, and Usenet, for example.

    The web is not simply whatever is transmitted over HTTP. It's an information space, where anything addressable by URI is a leaf in the node. For instance, a telephone number is part of the web because of tel: URIs. Most of the things on his list are part of the web too - there are FTP and NNTP protocols. And in fact, some P2P networks work over HTTP anyway.

    From Tim Berners-Lee himself, writing in 1996:

    An information object is "on the web" if it has a URI.

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    Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
    1. Re:The article's wrong too by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Internet is a network of computers. The World Wide Web is a network of information. The Semantic Web is a network of information with contextual meaning in an annotated (preferably machine-readable) form.

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      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
  8. And what is the Internet? by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And what is the Internet? The best definition I know is: "The largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive symmetric closure of the relationship 'can be reached by an IP packet from'" by Seth Breidbart. Which is somewhat of a mouthful.

    Who can give a better definition?

  9. This bodes well... by OldSport · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...for Slashdot accepting my recent submissions of such articles as "The Sky is Blue" and "Hitting Yourself with a Hammer Hurts."

  10. "The AOL" by stevegee58 · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of my favorite quotes from my mom.

  11. Re:Was it visual? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 4, Informative

    MicroVAX for me. As I recall, the visual component was there initially, if your monitor could display graphics. Since the WWW was originally concieved as a way for researchers to share research results over the internet, URLs could refer to non-textual information, including, but not limited to visual information. Though the original browser was text-only, you could browse to an image that would display on your graphics capable monitor. It just wasn't integrated into the page alongside the text. The integrated text+graphics browser you're thinking of became popular with the development of Mosaic, although there were a few other WWW clients that did a passable job of it before Mosaic came along. Mosaic worked best, though, so it was the game-changer.

  12. Re:ugh... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this should have read:

    "2 cups of water + 2 cups of alcohol does not equal 4 cups of fluid. /end chemistry jackassery"

    Indeed it does not. If you add 2 cups of water to 2 cups of ethanol you get almost 4.1 cups of fluid due to the excess volume of mixing. The result is fractionally greater if thermal expansion due to released enthalpy of mixing is included.

    Pardon my deficiency in jackassery where physical chemistry is concerned.

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    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire