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New Type of Chemical Bond Predicted To Exist In White Dwarfs

ananyo writes "A previously unknown type of powerful chemical bond should be induced by the ferocious magnetic fields of white dwarfs and neutron stars, according to computer simulations. If the effect can be harnessed in the lab, 'magnetized matter' could be exploited for quantum computing. Chemists identify two classes of strong molecular bonds: ionic bonds, in which electrons from one atom hop over to another, and covalent bonds, in which electrons are shared between atoms. But researchers at the University of Oslo accidentally discovered a third bonding mechanism when they simulated how atoms should behave under magnetic fields of about 105 tesla — 10,000 times the biggest fields that can be generated on Earth (abstract)."

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  1. 105 Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Should be 10 to the 5 Tesla, or 10^5, or 10**5 if you're a Fortran guy...

    1. Re:105 Tesla by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Lemme guess: He's more interested in black hole research than one in white dwarfs?

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    2. Re:105 Tesla by Annirak · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're correct, but even so, the statement

      10,000 times the biggest fields that can be generated on Earth

      is complete bullshit. Superconducting MRIs produce 3T fields just fine. And check out the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory; they have the record field strength of 100.75T

  2. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFS is wrong. It's not 105 T, it's 10^5 T.

  3. Re:Racist. by __aavqan3009 · · Score: 2

    I believe they prefer 'little people' now.

  4. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by locofungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. I've read the abstract now. But 10^5 Tesla is about 100x what can be created in the lab, not 10000x

    No idea where that 10000x came from. I might have guessed at the meaning if it hadn't been for that 10000x.

    Tim.

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  5. In the interests of fairness... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Our magnet crazed Floridians have a 45 tesla magnet that can operate for short periods without destroying itself and the most powerful 'destructive pulsed electromagnets' can reach ~1000 tesla, for their quite brief operational lives. (.flv of such a magnet giving its life for science)

    1. Re:In the interests of fairness... by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      The NMR machine I use daily is 10 Tesla, and that's the baby one.

      We can do much better than 10T sustained.

  6. God hates white dwarfs! by Antipater · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're destroying the sanctity of traditional chemical bonding!

    "Though shalt not lie with an atom magnetically as one would lie with an atom electrostatically. It is an abomination."

    - Pauliticus 18:22

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  7. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by Teresita · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scientists discover an exotic fundamental particle called the ficton with the rest mass of a small moon that only existed in the unimaginable pressures and temperatures of the first 10^-25 seconds after the universe began its expansion. They promise it will allow users with next-generation PDAs to play Angry Birds with quantum computing.

  8. Third type of chemical bond? by Phase+Shifter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apparently the author of TFA has never heard of a type of material known as a metal either.

    I think I'll have to dig up the Science article to get really meangful info on this.

    1. Re:Third type of chemical bond? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      To me it looks like another variant of covalent bond, which is already known to have stranger forms, such as dative and single-electron bonds.

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    2. Re:Third type of chemical bond? by Luyseyal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great, next you'll be telling me about nominative, accusative, and ablative bonds.

      -l

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    3. Re:Third type of chemical bond? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Funny

      And Barry Bonds, and James Bonds, ...

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    4. Re:Third type of chemical bond? by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, I guess you could talk about ablative bonds when they are breaking apart, but chemists would probably call it cleavage. Then again, I'm just a single electron and not currently in a dative mode.

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  9. Applications in chemistry by avandesande · · Score: 2

    I was disappointed that the best thing they could come up with was applications in quantum computing- there could be a host of novel synthesis based on this bond.

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    1. Re:Applications in chemistry by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 2

      there could be a host of novel synthesis based on this bond.

      I had a few novel ideas myself, but I'm too lazy to write that much.

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  10. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know what's the saddest thing about your joke? That you're right. We'll get quantum computers that can do calculations at speeds we cannot even fathom today, yet in the end they'll be used to play silly games that could have run on a C64. And watching porn, of course.

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  11. Some comments beyond the 10 teslas correction... by lvxferre · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, why seems everybody forgets about the metallic bonds?
    Covalent: that old, nice and sharing couple;
    Ionic: same as above, but one of them is abusive and electron digger;
    Metallic bond: communism of electrons (or orgy, if you prefer).You know, covalent and ionic aFirst: covalent and ionic aren't two "types" of bonds but extremes of the same continuum. Some bonds - like in hydrogen fluoride - lie pretty much between them, not being fully ionic or fully covalent.


    Second thing: ironically, there is no such thing as "types" of bonds. These three categories above aren't "unmixable", you have "metallic" bonds with covalent properties (like gold loves to make), you have borderline covalent-ionic bonds (like HF), this kind of thing. Think in them as extremes in a triangle, while most real life bonds lie inside this triangle.


    Lastly, about the article itself... seems like "quantum computing" is what they put when they cannot think in an application to a Chem or Phys discovery nowadays. And I understood they didn't found a new bond type or whatever; their discovery was "oh look, orbitals can be deformed by magnetic fields!".

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  12. From the chemistry noob by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    So, two atoms fused together via this magnetic bonding, do they need to be in this ludicrous magnetic field to remain bonded?
    If we, somehow, got the teslas to make a molecule or two of these, would they continue to exist outside of the lab? OR, if we went skinny-dipping in a white dwarf and picked up a handful of this crazy goop, and brought it back to earth, would they persist?

    Also, does anyone really have even the slightest clue to the properties of these molecules?

  13. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by Rei · · Score: 2

    While an insightful post, note that stranger things have happened. A lot of things can seem totally out of reach from practicality before a technological breakthrough or rapid series of continuous advances totally changes the picture.

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  14. 10^5 Tesla is doable in a Dense Plasma Focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A Dense Plasma Focus can produce Giga Gauss fields (1GG = 10^5 Tesla), though only in a very small space.

    See for example:
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/1770673_Advances_towards_pB11_Fusion_with_the_Dense_Plasma_Focus"

    (Was the first link that came up at Google searching for "dense plasma focus gg")

  15. Re:105 Tesla isn't that strong a field... by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 2

    NOPE.

    105 Chuck Tesla

  16. Typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't that be a ferrocious magnetic field?

    Sorry, somebody had to say it...

  17. Re:Some comments beyond the 10 teslas correction.. by marcosdumay · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I understood they didn't found a new bond type or whatever; their discovery was "oh look, orbitals can be deformed by magnetic fields!".

    Everybody and their dog already knew that orbitals are deformed by magnetic fields. What they found is that the model of how they deform is wrong at very intense fields.

  18. Re:Use this in a computer? by PPH · · Score: 2

    Its not good for the floppy disks either.

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