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Comcast Launches Superfast Internet To Fight FiOS

jfruh writes "Comcast customers who dream of superfast download speeds drooled when they heard the company would be offering 305 Mbps service. There's only one catch: the high speeds are only available in markets where the cable giant is going head-to-head with Verizon's FiOS service. It seems that competition really does improve service quality when it comes to ISPs."

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  1. Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you can hit your level cap even faster?

    1. Re:Yeah, right... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Informative

      With a 250GB cap, you can run out of bandwidth in 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 17 seconds. Even at a terabyte it's less than 8 hours, or about 1% of a billing period.

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    2. Re:Yeah, right... by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Subject to their terms of service - and whims. And they will reinstate the caps after the suckers sign on for a few years. Come on, we've seen this so many times now, we know how the heroin trade works. First shot is free, then the price goes up forever after they are the only game(s) in town.

    3. Re:Yeah, right... by cpu6502 · · Score: 3

      Never happy.
      Comcast is offering 300 Mbit/s which is faster than Sweden or Japan's national average (~20 Mbit/s), and yet still you complain. This rollout will put my state Maryland, which is almost exclusively Comcast territory, in the top 10 fastest of all EU or US states.
      And all you can do is complain.
      Personally it makes me happy.

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    4. Re:Yeah, right... by bigkahunah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Write off's only save you whatever you would have paid in taxes on that money. You've still spent the money. It's not like write off's magically pay for themselves. Given the fact that business lines are significantly more expensive and the fact that you can write off a consumer line there's not really a point.

  2. And my car gets 60 MPG going downhill by sacdelta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you get 305 Mbps during the 15 minutes out of the day when they aren't throttling. What is it the rest of the time? Speeds should have to be reported as average access speed not peak potential.

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    1. Re:And my car gets 60 MPG going downhill by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I like Comcast but how exactly do you expect Comcast to do that when the average speed is highly dependent on the ever changing network utilization? The only thing they can really guarantee is peak rate and the bare minimum.

    2. Re:And my car gets 60 MPG going downhill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is is just me, or are we all a little sick of people saying "Because ..." and then adding adding a stupid statement that they don't believe, thinking this actually supports or even proves an unstated position which they're too cool to actually articulate. This is lazy internet hipster sophistry, and it's been done to death, people. At least back in 1999 it was amusing, but it's never been rhetorically useful. If you have a point, state it. If think you actually have a proof by contradiction, then lose the irony and show your work! Jesus Effing Christmas, people...

    3. Re:And my car gets 60 MPG going downhill by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you can spend money on water pipes instead of football stadiums or CEO stock options and pay. There is no "shortage" of power, water, or internet capacity. There is simply an incentive not to build or maintain infrastructure, because when scarcity occurs, you can raise prices. Scare = expensive. Come on Enron was ten years ago, you all still remember. They throttled power and raised prices to make lots and lots and LOTS of money. It was a scam. There was enough power.

      And in rare cases, such as a small town in the middle of nowhere, or an area in a drought, there really isn't enough water. Too many people, unsustainable landscape. Those people should move. Canada is full of water. The world's population lives next to free water. Go where the water is. Droughts will increase in severity, and we aren't going to see the end of those.

      But internet? The cost of the "pipes" and "water" is tiny, and shrinking constantly. There is no incentive to build past an optimum scarcity/profit intersection. They want to raise prices. And we, being free market fundamentalists, believe their lies. Hell, THEY believe their own lies.

    4. Re:And my car gets 60 MPG going downhill by brainzach · · Score: 4, Informative
  3. One step further by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Competition not only improves quality, but it's the only reason this is being deployed at all. Providers' repeated claims that they should be allowed to merge because they'd innovate anyway is now demonstrated yet again to be utter bullshit.

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    1. Re:One step further by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nonsense. Comcast will happily point out that there's a handful of dial-up ISPs you can use if you get an acoustic coupler for your AT&T cell phone, so they're not a monopoly at all...

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    2. Re:One step further by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as they actually compete in the same space, delivering to the same customers. If you just slice up a big monopoly you only get a bunch of mini-monopolies, it really doesn't make much of a difference. My impression is that with exclusivity agreements most people in the US live in some form of mini-monopoly or mini-duopoly even if they're with a small ISP..

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  4. so WTF do you need this for? by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i'm at 10-15 now and going down to 5 once i cancel cable and go a la carte cable internet. 3-5 megabits is enough to stream netflix and amazon.

    a lot cheaper to let steam update at night than to pay for super fast internet too

    1. Re:so WTF do you need this for? by captainstormy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      i'm at 10-15 now and going down to 5 once i cancel cable and go a la carte cable internet. 3-5 megabits is enough to stream netflix and amazon.

      a lot cheaper to let steam update at night than to pay for super fast internet too

      It depends on what you do with your home internet. If all you do is some Netflix streaming and web surfing then 3-5 down is plenty and your upload speed really won't matter. I work from home myself so I typically get the fastest internet speed I can. I don't need super fast internet all the time, but when I'm moving a lot of data between my home office and the main office I can see the difference and it affects my working day. More-so with upload speed than download speed. I've currently got a 50/5 package and it's great. I don't really need the crazy high download speeds, but I do notice the increase in upload speed.

  5. Of course by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think anyone doubted that competition between ISPs improves service. The question is more about whether there is *enough* competition, or even whether there could ever be enough.

    Right now, in most places, there's a duopoly if you're lucky. Where I live, in NYC, I have no real choice. It's basically Time Warner Cable or dial-up. In order to have a robust market, I'd say you need at least 5 real ISPs going head-to-head, but you would never be able to get 5 different companies to lay down 5 different and independent infrastructures in my neighborhood.

    So it makes sense that Comcast isn't even bothering to roll this out except where they're competing with FIOS. So, absent competition, what do we do?

  6. While giving other markets the shaft by sa666_666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course this is only available where it absolutely needs to be; where they're being hammered from competition. Meanwhile, other markets are left to be price-gouged as long as possible. This only proves that they have the ability to upgrade the network, they just won't until they're dragged kicking and screaming. Of course many businesses have that attitude, but it isn't often so obviously apparent as in this case.

  7. Of course... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amazing what a little competition can do. It was never about them being unable to bring people these speeds, or it being cost prohibitive...they just don't want to spend the fucking money until they're losing more customers than they're signing up in a given quarter. I've had techs from my ISP, Charter Communications, basically tell me that my local node is way oversaturated due to this being a very densely populated area, and that the main hardware is complete crap, but that corporate isn't going to upgrade until the amount they're spending on service calls exceeds the cost of upgrading the node. You know it's fucked up when the company's own fucking techs are exasperated enough to start telling customers shit like that...

  8. Marginal Returns by organgtool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At this point, I feel that internet speed is more than fast enough for most of my purposes. My FIOS subscription was just upgraded from 15 Mbps to 75 Mbps without any additional cost, but I would have preferred to stay at 15 Mbps at a reduced price. Unfortunately, the sales person claims that they only offer speed upgrades for the same price, but there is no option for paying less. For those that want the extra speed, I think it's great that options like this are available (at least in limited markets), but for those who don't need the speed it would be nice to have a more reasonably priced option. It's funny how telecommunications seems to be the one sector where improvements in technology never result in cheaper prices. I guess that's what happens when companies are granted local monopolies.

  9. Re:Fastest to the finish line by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Funny

    Viola competition.

    If there's one thing this country needs to put ISPs in check, it's more viola competitions. You could probably clog the tubes with all of that music. That'll show 'em.

  10. Re:Fastest to the finish line by ewieling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because people don't want 5 different ISPs with 5 different lines going down their street. Local infrastructure for telecom, cable, water, electricity, gas, etc is a "natural monopoly". I don't care if the government or a private company owns/manages the wires in the ground, but the one company I do NOT want managing the wires in the ground is my ISP. I want a company with no incentive whatsoever to give preferential treatment to one ISP over another.

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  11. Drooled? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What legal purpose would 300 Mbps to the household serve for most people? I am a FIOS customer, but I have it provisioned at the minimum bandwidth for cost reasons. Nevertheless, I can work from home, my wife and kid can do Netflix (two different tvs) all at the same time, and I can torrent the latest version of CentOS in less time than it takes to hunt up a disc to burn it to. These monstrous bandwidths are, for an overwhelming percentage of the population (or even an overwhelming percentage of geeks) only for bragging rights. Not to actually use. It's just a faster way to slam up against Comcast throttling.

    I was a charter customer of FIOS. What it buys me is (1) investing in a higher tech medium which I still believe is the wave of the future (fiber to the home) and (2) (this is important) I don't have to deal with Comcast customer support.

    And... I have to add (3) it's fun to watch the Comcast monthly door-to-door salesperson go all wonky when we tell them we're sticking with FIOS. Although, I haven't seen him since I reported him for yelling at my wife the last time.

    Ahh, Comcast. If any company deserved to by purchased and dismantled, it would be you.

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