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Space Fish: ISS Aquatic Habitat Delivered By HTV-3

astroengine writes "Yes, it's the moment we've all (secretly) been waiting for: Fish In Space! But before you go getting too excited and start asking the big questions — like: if there's a bubble in a microgravity aquarium, what happens if the fish falls into it? Let's ponder that for a minute... — it's worth pointing out that the fish aren't actually in space right now (their habitat has just been delivered to the space station by the unmanned Japanese H-II Transfer Vehicle 'Kounotori 3') and this fishy experiment isn't just to see how fish enjoy swimming upside down, there's some serious science behind it."

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  1. The ISS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where all fish are flying fish.

  2. Sashimi in space by Genda · · Score: 2

    p>I'm surprised the first post regarding a Japanese aquarium module didn't go straight to the obvious end involving sushi rice and ponzu sauce?

  3. Re:Looking forward to this one. by Truth+is+life · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not that new...this experiment is derived from one flown on the Shuttle a few times already. This is mostly an extension of the previous research. What I am really interested in is the egg-to-egg possibility--the system is designed to support up to three generations of fish, so they will be able to observe whether zero-gravity causes intergenerational changes (eg., whether the children of those born in zero-g are as fit as those born of one-g fish, or as one-g fish themselves). This is a significant challenge for any possibility of space colonization, so experimentation in it is quite welcome.

  4. And then... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure. Now it's just regular fish. Next it will be sharks, then sharks with lasers. It will be all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

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    1. Re:And then... by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      Sure. Now it's just regular fish. Next it will be sharks, then sharks with lasers. It will be all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

      Lasers in space? Sounds like the plot of a movie.
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    2. Re:And then... by oobayly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that actor Ronald Regan still available?

      Nope, apparently he got some kind of management job instead.

  5. Sounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sound should be able to push bubbles around to prevent build-up of large bubbles.
    The only problem then would be the fish spazzing out at the sound waves.
    So grid to constantly cycle the water around in a twist to eliminate will probably be the other solution.

    Their solution sounds similar to the latter, but obviously far more complex than my simple example.
    I expected a sphere over a cuboid. Or even a cone. But hey, I am just guessing. They likely done hundreds of simulations to get the right system with the most space.

    Good luck to the experiment. Shall be interesting.

  6. Re:Looking forward to this one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not that new...

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  7. Aquaculture and hydroponics by j-stroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Aquatic critters can be one link in a combined waste treatment / hydro-ponic growing system. I've heard that a cubic meter of sea water is the most prolific growing medium on earth. I'm interested in the downstream outcomes of science like this.

    Also am reminded of an old pulp sc-fi short story that took the form of letters between a Mars bio-dome colonist and the manufacturer of the living bio dome system... they kept adding critters to the dome to try and balance the eco-system, with predictable and silly results.

    1. Re:Aquaculture and hydroponics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I always remember what one of my biology professors said about these sort of biodome experiments: "life finds a way to live, unless it doesn't but either way, there is only one way to find out." What he meant was that those experiments should go on until they are so unbalanced that they threaten the human occupants with imminent death, but those without human occupants should be allowed to run until everything dies. The reason is that nature can surprise you with the way things adapt and you often learn the most when the pressures are the highest or fall apart.

    2. Re:Aquaculture and hydroponics by jamesh · · Score: 2

      Also am reminded of an old pulp sc-fi short story that took the form of letters between a Mars bio-dome colonist and the manufacturer of the living bio dome system... they kept adding critters to the dome to try and balance the eco-system, with predictable and silly results.

      Sounds like an interesting story... got any more info? Like a title, or something to google? I tried googling a few keywords but just found your post...

  8. Re:Looking forward to this one. by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    this experiment is derived from one flown on the Shuttle a few times already

    In particular, goldfish and newts flew on STS-65 (1994). Not sure if complete life-cycle experiments have been done before. Some quick searching turns up this speculation (Google Books preview) as of 2003 that fish will soon become the first vertebrate to live a complete life cycle in space.

  9. The next step by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope that the next step after this is taking a cat into space in a properly-designed cage. (You don't want it loose!) Make sure that at least part of the cage is lined with something that the cat can grip so that it has the choice between clinging to the side of the cage and moving around in the inside and see how it adapts. Yes, I know that waste disposal will be a problem, but it's one that we'll have to solve sooner or later anyway.

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    1. Re:The next step by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      There've been other mammals in space before, though not cats. The third Spacelab mission (1985) took two monkeys and 24 rats in cages up.

    2. Re:The next step by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 3, Funny

      I get the feeling that a cat in space would turn into a really sharp infinitely reorienting ball of fury in the middle of the room.

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    3. Re:The next step by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Experiment k9V2C47:

      Place one average sized dog in space with 0 velocity. Place one average sized house cat in space with 0 velocity, 3 meters apart from dog. Observe results.

    4. Re:The next step by Y-Crate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cats in zero G? It's been done.

      I imagine the ISS would be shredded all the way to the cold, dead vacuum of space about an hour after the arrival of the first catstronaut.

  10. Fishcam feed? by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    TFA says there is a webcam. Anyone know if there will be a way for us not on NASA's payroll to watch?

  11. Re:Right side up by chandani · · Score: 5, Funny

    The enemy's gate is down.

  12. Re:My question is: by Teresita · · Score: 2

    I for one welcome our new goldfish overlords.

  13. Re:Looking forward to this one. by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 2

    Great. Goldfish and Newts. Pretty soon everyone will have flown in space except me.

  14. Re:My question is: by hvm2hvm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about dolphins for example? They might be able to live normally in space

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  15. Re:My question is: by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Flopping requires something to flop *against*. On earth fish "flop" because their propulsion is insufficient to fight gravity in the absence of water's buoyancy. In microgravity buoyancy is not an issue so all their control surfaces will work more-or-less normally in air (sans viscosity effects), just to less effect. Take something like a lungfish or whale that wouldn't suffocate in air and they could probably maneuver adequately once they acclimated to the dramatically slower response times.

    Heck, equip them with large, low-mass fin extensions and they'd probably be able to maneuver a LOT better than humans who never evolved to navigate in a fluid environment.

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