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The Increasing Role of Predictive Analysis In Police Work

elucido writes "A growing number of law enforcement agencies, in the US and elsewhere, have been adopting software tools with predictive analytics, based on algorithms that aim to predict crimes before they happen. From the article: 'Without some of the sci-fi gimmickry, police departments from Santa Cruz, California, to Memphis, Tennessee, and law enforcement agencies from Poland to Britain have adopted these new techniques. The premise is simple: criminals follow patterns, and with software — the same kind that retailers like Wal-Mart and Amazon use to determine consumer purchasing trends — police can determine where the next crime will occur and sometimes prevent it.'"

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  1. If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When prediction goes, one could always predict that, given a time frame, something will definitely happen - such as plane crash
     
    If TPTB is really interested in saving lives, they could have done more to predict future plane crashes and then do something to prevent it from happening
     

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    1. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > police can determine where the next crime will occur and sometimes prevent it

      No need to predict, why the heck have they not stormed the banks, arrested any of the significant financial fraudsters, yet? Oh... yeah, there is only Libery and Justice for some . Silly me.

      America’s two-tiered justice system – specifically, the way political and financial elites are now vested with virtually absolute immunity from the rule of law even when they are caught committing egregious crimes, while ordinary Americans are subjected to the world’s largest and one of its harshest and most merciless penal states even for trivial offenses. As a result, law has been completely perverted from what it was intended to be – the guarantor of an equal playing field which would legitimize outcome inequalities – into its precise antithesis: a weapon used by the most powerful to protect their ill-gotten gains, strengthen their unearned prerogatives, and ensure ever-expanding opportunity inequality.

    2. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by kraut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did someone forget to tell Bernie Madoff about his immunity?

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    3. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is apples and oranges. Crimes happen because of the opportunity and the ability to get away with it. If you can track these factors, you can predict where crimes will occur. Simple things like installing street lights and the intelligent deploying of police help to reduce crime. There are also items of a psychological nature like cleaning up graffiti, repairing roads and sidewalks, and planting trees that make criminals think they are in an area where it is harder to get away with a crime.

      Crime is very much an economic force. While the actors involved aren't always particularly intelligent, they are predictable. People like to use words like 'honesty' and 'honorable', but most citizens would commit a crime if the factors of opportunity and the ability to get away with it were highly in their favor.

    4. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bernie Madoff made the mistake of stealing from rich people.

    5. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by iceco2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I actually worked on predicting when aircraft will malfunction (and crash) and we had a huge database with
      everything that happened to the planes to work for, and we didn't get much results.
      So upper management brought in a highly paid consultant, which crunched our data for 6 months.
      He finally gathered everyone in a conference room to announce his amazing results,
      he found an outstanding correlation: planes that fly a lot are more likely to malfunction or crash then planes that don't fly.

    6. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you think the rich didn't lose any money in the stock market and real estate crashes? LOL. Yep, the rich don't invest any of their money there.

    7. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did he manage to notice the other outstanding correlation: Planes that crash end up not flying a lot? (but remember, correlation is not causation)

    8. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you think the rich didn't lose any money in the stock market and real estate crashes? LOL. Yep, the rich don't invest any of their money there.

      Of course they lost money, but they also got bailed out, unlike the rest of us who lost our shirts and got evicted by the sameself league of rich bastards who got bailed out with our tax money. The best part is that they them selves pay no taxes to speak of.

    9. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich (the REALLY rich, not the ones who think they are rich or just got their money last week) actually GAINED from the stock market and real estate crash. They got bailout money AND got to keep the property (which on the paper is worthless but still worth more than they paid for it) AND still have their claims against the poor saps whose names were on the loans.
      It like they say you only get good deal when no one else have any money.

    10. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      Bernie got 'lucky' in how long his scam went on and the scale. He managed to keep it going long enough to make national news when it broke and make people want to make an example of him, at the same time that he's simply old enough that 'dropping dead of natural causes' is a fairly likely event any given year.

      If he'd been caught(as he was predicting at the time) when he was in his 50's, he'd already be out of prison.

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    11. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by mvdwege · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh yes, Bernie Madoff, who stole 65 billion dollars, who is currently in a medium-security prison where he is, quoted "treated like a Mafia don" by the other inmates.

      While young guys in risk of a drug charge are told to be scared of 'pound-em-in-the-ass' prison to keep 'em on the straight and narrow.

      Yes, it is hard to see that a culture that promotes those values has a two-tier justice system.

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    12. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Tom · · Score: 1

      You forgot to tell what management did after his announcement. Ground the fleet?

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    13. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Ozeroc · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    14. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody lost more money in the financial crash then rich people.

    15. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Madoff is small potatoes. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc... are all free even after invading sovereign nations leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, ordering extrajudicial executions, torture, holding people without charge, etc... They didn't just get off, it's impossible to even investigate them.

    16. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by SlippyToad · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

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    17. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but remember, correlation is not causation

      Correlation is not necessarily causation.

    18. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      Wow, that was such a logical, rational answer. How can anyone not be swayed to your view? The logic is impeccable!

      </snark>

    19. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by bitt3n · · Score: 1

      Libery and Justice for some

      I ain't so sho bout justice, but I knows it fer a fact da libery is open to all

    20. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Crimes happen because of the opportunity and the ability to get away with it.

      Only if you have no morals. If your moral code says that a certain outlawed activity is not immoral, then yes. But most people are honest and will NOT steal.

      I see you are not one of the honest people.

      Crime is very much an economic force.

      What's the economic incentive to grow weed for your own consumption?

      While the actors involved aren't always particularly intelligent

      90% of all crimes are unsolved, so obviously 90% of the criminals are at least smarter than the cops.

      most citizens would commit a crime if the factors of opportunity and the ability to get away with it were highly in their favor.

      Bullshit, you fucking thief. Thieves all believe most people are dishonest. Do you have a citation for your absurd statement, anonymous thief?

    21. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice ad hominem. It seems that those who claim the most loudly to worry about their morals are often those who are in the back of the church fucking choir boys.

      You never addressed the factors of opportunity and escape. Just because you don't understand what causes crime, doesn't mean that nobody does. The US has an enormously inflated murder, violent crime, and property crime rate compared to Europe. Do you think it is just due to morals? African Americans and Latinos commit more crimes per capita that Caucasians? It that just due to morals? Asians commit less crimes? Do you think the socioeconomic situation of each of these groups might be important to discuss? Or do you want to pat yourself on the back thinking that if you lock up *all* of the criminals then crime will stop.

      As far as your private growing of weed example, do you think that the privately grown weed has no value? If it has value, then it is an economic force. That weed may substitute for getting drunk (and paying for the beer) or going to a movie (and paying for the ticket price).

    22. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Did someone forget to tell Bernie Madoff about his immunity?

      Bernie Madoff turned himself in!

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    23. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Nobody lost more money in the financial crash then rich people.

      First of all, it's than. Second of all, the crash made lots of stuff really cheap, from debt to securities to real estate. If you had the money, you cleaned up after the crash. See how this works?

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    24. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      It is bullshit though.

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    25. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      No Bernie did not get lucky. He turned himself in when he thought he could no longer keep it up. He was not caught; he confessed.

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    26. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're making fun of the consultant, but the results could be valuable, depending on their accuracy. For example, if the chance of malfunction spikes up after x hours of flight time, that can help schedule maintenance and inspections differently.

    27. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      They can predict the crimes . . . isn't that just High Tech Profiling ?

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    28. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that those who claim the most loudly to worry about their morals are often those who are in the back of the church fucking choir boys.

       
      This begs the question -
       
      Why the choir boys are so easily fucked ??
       
      Is it related to any socio-economic factor ??
       

    29. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Devoidoid · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points when I really need them? :D

    30. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are missing what is even more useful to the consultant. He has a conclusion in his hands that could make planes 100% safe!

      That is: Planes that crash once never crash again.

    31. Re:If they can prevent a plane from crashing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gosgog: I'm 79 retired now. I have over 6600 hrs Pilot in command, most everything I flew was relatively old used airplanes, yes, there were equipment failures and even a couple of inflight fires (not reported).....and some were airplanes I had bought for my business. But the planes that gave me most failures were ones that didn't have a lot of usage times, i.e., 25 hours a year, I was flying 80+ a month! So the highly paid consultant's full of shit. What counts is first a 1ST class mechanic.

  2. obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by Rezazur · · Score: 1

    I thought Tom Cruise tried that already and how that worked out, huh?

    1. Re:obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by vgerclover · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hello precrime and thoughtcrime....

    2. Re:obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by vgerclover · · Score: 1

      Fuck, I meant to link to 1984 on the second link...

    3. Re:obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I knew you were going to make that mistake, but I wasn't sure warning you was the right thing to do.

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    4. Re:obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better link: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/amazon1984

    5. Re:obligatory Philip K. Dick reference by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 1

      I knew you were going to make that mistake, but I wasn't sure warning you was the right thing to do.

      Warning them would have violated causality and could have created a paradox leading to the destruction of our world, however, it's Monday morning and there is a security policies meeting I don't want to be included in, so go ahead.

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  3. but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nobody predicted this would be the first post. Or the second.

    1. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      nobody predicted this would be the first post. Or the second.

      Instead they predicted it would be the third.

    2. Re:but... by Teun · · Score: 2

      But we did predict this post would be by an AC.

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  4. Cue Minority Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they don't try to jail anyone for a crime that was 'supposed' to be committed but wasn't, I'm fine with this.

    1. Re:Cue Minority Report by oPless · · Score: 1

      In many places conspiring to commit a crime, *is* a crime.

  5. Future-hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming that all software can be hacked (bug exploitation, social/user engineering, false data training etc.), this seems to just open up a whole new Pandora's Box.

    And lots of consultant employment opportunities.

    1. Re:Future-hacking by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes think of all the friendships and cards left in 2/3rd world nations as this is exported. Over years many would feel very happy around the nice people from the USA.
      Training in the states, hardware upgrades, new deals and notes on dissident expats shared.

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    2. Re:Future-hacking by qbzzt · · Score: 1

      Smart criminals would be able to hack this system. However, most serious crimes are committed by people too stupid to find safer ways of making money.

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    3. Re:Future-hacking by somarilnos · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the software will be able to detect future attempts to unlawfully hack it.

      That's what Miss Cleo told me when I called her, anyway.

  6. Just a higher tech version of what cops already do by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I imagine patrol cops go where they expect some action may occur (or to stops that offer cheap food/drink for the uniformed). This sounds like a higher tech version of that, basically taking the instincts out of the equation and substituting it with statistics. Perhaps adds more coordination at the central office level too although I'm sure that also already occurs.

  7. How would we know ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    I mean, how would we know that no one has been thrown into a jail cell because of that ?

    There are thousands upon thousands of arrests been done every-single-day and while most of those arrests are justified, I can't guarantee (and I do not think anyone can guarantee) that all the arrests had been done in a kosher manner
     

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    1. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to give cops rabbinical training, you pay for it.

    2. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to give cops rabbinical training, you pay for it

       
      The Muslims will cry foul
       

    3. Re:How would we know ? by redneckmother · · Score: 1

      If you want to give cops rabbinical training, you pay for it

      The Muslims will cry foul

      Fowl?

    4. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can personally guarantee that not all arrests had been done in a kosher manner.

    5. Re:How would we know ? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's because it's pigs doing the arresting.

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    6. Re:How would we know ? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By definition all lawful arrests are "justified", they are nothing more than the physical precursor to a formal accusation (charges), in many cases they are also used simply to "keep the peace" by physically separating drunks from each other long enough for them to "sleep it off" . Are people charged and jailed for dubious reasons? - Of course, the US alone has half a million "drug criminals" locked up. Do innocent people get framed or otherwise wrongly convicted? - You bet, I believe Texas executed an innocent man not long ago. Is there a better alternative to the western system of justice? - There's always room for improvement* but I've yet to hear anyone describe a fundamentally new system.

      *suggested improvements to the US system: 1. Ban capital punishment. Think of it as insurance. I personally have no moral objection to the concept of the death penalty, some people certainly DO deserve to die. I do however have a moral objection to killing innocent people who do not deserve the death penalty. The track record of the death penalty, whenever and wherever it has been implemented, is such that a great number of people who did NOT deserve to die have been put to death by the state.

      2. Stop circumventing judges with pre-trial plea deals, sure remorse should count in the prisoner's favor, but it should be unconditional remorse, not the bargaining-chip kind of remorse used to negotiate "justice" between two lawyers.

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    7. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to give cops rabbinical training, you pay for it

      The Muslims will cry foul

      Can't we just train them as imams too? And while we're at it send 'em to seminary school, then let go take mescaline with some native Americans and later ayahuasca with some rain forest indians.

      I forget where I was going with this.

    8. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...a great number of people who did NOT deserve to die have been put to death by the state.

      [Citation needed]

    9. Re:How would we know ? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      That would also be a haraam arrest, wouldn't it?

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    10. Re:How would we know ? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I'm all in favor of banning the death penalty.

      Still, the plea deals are a two edged sword. A judge doesn't have to go along with them, all he has to do is start ignoring them and they will stop. You negotiate probation instead of 5 years in jail for pleading guilty? The judge can give you those 5 years as soon as you plead guilty, because he's not bound by the plea agreement. He can't add more charges than he's got indictments for, of course, but you can still have the book thrown at you for whatever charge you did plead guilty to. There may well be procedural rules that get judges in hot water for doing that, but those could be removed by the judges themselves if they wanted them gone, they aren't laws.

      The reason plea deals work is the same reason they give you fast and easy ways to pay off your speeding tickets: the criminal justice system is overworked, especially with having to process non-violent drug offenders. They need plea deals so that they don't end up taking up court time needed to try the worst cases or the political cases where the book must be thrown at the offender.

      What you may want to see if you can shut down is the situation where the cops want you for one thing, so they book you for a dozen charges and use all of that to ensure at least one of them sticks. I have seen anecdotes out there that suggest that it is possible to commit at least one felony a day on average without even realizing it. I am not convinced that is a true statement, but there are definitely old and/or obscure laws on the books that you may have never seen before because you wouldn't think they'd ever apply to you, until they do. The accumulated mass of laws out there is huge and getting larger every day, we don't notice because the police agencies choose not to systematically enforce these laws, but they are still laws on the books nonetheless.

    11. Re:How would we know ? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >By definition all lawful arrests are "justified", they are nothing more than the physical precursor to a formal accusation (charges), in many cases they are also used simply to "keep the peace" by physically separating drunks from each other long enough for them to "sleep it off" .

      So I guess that all those people who have sued the cops for the illegal activity of "unjustified arrest" and all the judges who awarded them damages are just wrong ?
      You did specify "lawful" arrest but then you seem to imagine that "lawful" means "done by a cop". That's wrong on every level. Firstly citizens-arrest can also be lawful, and secondly there are restrictions on when ANY arrest if lawful, you cannot just arrest somebody because you INTEND to charge him, you have to have probably cause or a reasonable suspicion that he has broken the law.
      In other words - you must have a reasonable standard of evidence already - the kind that prosecutors consider enough to continue with charges. If the VAST majority of a police officer's arrests are NOT pursued by the prosecutors then that officer ought to be fired for incompetence.

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    12. Re:How would we know ? by somarilnos · · Score: 2

      Executed, but possibly innocent.

      While official investigations tend to stop when someone is put to death, and there certainly won't (and can't) be another trial after, there are a lot of cases were people have strong evidence that suggests that they're innocent. In cases where to find someone guilty, there needs to be no reasonable doubt, there is quite a bit of reasonable doubt presented here.

    13. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fowl? As long as it is slaughtered properly, fowl is both kosher and halal.

    14. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That right there is why "Funny" posts deserve karma.

    15. Re:How would we know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about some simpler things, like
      1. The pay scales of public defenders must be the same as for prosecutors?
      2. If a defendant uses a public defender, the the P.D's budget for the trial must be the same as the prosecutions budget?
      3. The public defenders office must have the same case-per-attorney ratio as the prosecutors office?

    16. Re:How would we know ? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Fowl? As long as it is slaughtered properly, fowl is both kosher and halal.

      Wow....I just could not believe or participate in a religion that told me what I could and could not fucking EAT...?!?!

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    17. Re:How would we know ? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      That's because it's pigs doing the arresting.

      BTW, I saw today in Prague a huge black motorbike with the most random inscription on top of it: "Our pigs are kosher." It was inscribed in what we call "Fraktur" (Gothic letters for you Englishmen?). It felt hilarious. That really made my day. :-)

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  8. Statistical analysis by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It all boils down to statistical analysis

    Let's say you own a grocery store, and there's one particular item that shoplifters like to steal

    You, as the owner, can do one of three things -

    A. Stop carrying that item in your store

    B. Keep that thing close to the counter to cut down on shoplifting

    C. Fix a hidden vid cam near where you put the thing and start recording
     

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    1. Re:Statistical analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, as the owner, can do one of three things -

      D. Give away the item for free, as a promotion.

      E. Put the item inside large boxes that are impossible to hide.

      F. Ask customers to pre-pay and keep the item behind the counter.

      G. Poison the item.

      H. Pay local MC gang for protection services.

      etc etc

      Z. PRofit!11!!!!11

    2. Re:Statistical analysis by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      I personally prefer a trap that would spring when the item was stuffed down someones pants, keep the people from breeding :P

    3. Re:Statistical analysis by sohmc · · Score: 2

      Your humor notwithstanding, in some jurisdictions, it's not considered shoplifting until the suspect leaves the premises. Trapping them could be considered unlawful detainment.

      However, in some jurisdictions, a store owner may hold a person who is suspected to have shoplifted. I believe the words are "reasonable suspicion" or some other legal term. They can't hold the person indefinitely though. Usually it's enough time for the police to arrive.

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  9. Frightening implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the trend towards developing 'smart' cities like South Korea's Songdo (http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/104874/rosen-verbeek-technology-morality-intelligence) this kind of technology might easily be what totalitarian states of the future will use to subdue their states with. Food for thought....and AIs

    1. Re:Frightening implications by Ricwot · · Score: 1

      Please, Songdo is a nice city with excellent restaurants and some great bars, but the whole smart city thing is a little over-hyped.

  10. Only works so long by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Thieves will learn to mix it up, such as tossing dice on a map.

    1. Re:Only works so long by Teun · · Score: 1

      Yeah when I come out I'll never again use Google Earth to zoom in on that mansion the same day a bought a sledge hammer and a balaclava...

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  11. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    Second, doesn't this seem like there will now be a market for anti-prediction? That is, find out where the cops think the crime will occur, and do the crime somewhere else. Because the cops will be somewhere else, your chances of getting caught are less.

  12. Identifying mass murderers made easy... by geogob · · Score: 5, Funny

    The software checks if person of interest holds a Facebook account. Voilà! If he or she doesn't, it should mean he/she will commit mass murder. Couldn't be easier, I guess...

    1. Re:Identifying mass murderers made easy... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

      The software checks if person of interest holds a Facebook account. VoilÃ! If he or she doesn't, it should mean he/she will commit mass murder. Couldn't be easier, I guess...

       
      I guess the cops should arrest all those new-born babies - they don't have their fb accounts yet, or do they?
       

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    2. Re:Identifying mass murderers made easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be surprised....

    3. Re:Identifying mass murderers made easy... by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

      You'd be surprised....

      Actually, I wouldn't. I've lost count of the new friends I am supposed to approve that are just days into this world.

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    4. Re:Identifying mass murderers made easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebbok is irrelevant: The algorithm is is actually:

      If SetGuilty( !( IsPolice() || IsPolitician() || IsRich() ) )
      {
              goto jail;
      }

  13. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I imagine patrol cops go where they expect some action may occur (or to stops that offer cheap food/drink for the uniformed). This sounds like a higher tech version of that, basically taking the instincts out of the equation and substituting it with statistics. Perhaps adds more coordination at the central office level too although I'm sure that also already occurs.

    Technically a good cop with good instincts is applying statistics. The human brain is built to recognize patterns and to use those patterns to make predictions. Some of this is done at a subconscious level. So its not that we are necessarily introducing statistics, its seems more that we are using a much larger data set to mine patterns from. Still, as you say, a high tech version of what we already do.

  14. You are assuming here by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    You are assuming here, that thieves are actually smart enough to do so. Most common crime thieves simply lack the brain power to randomize their victims, M.O. and such and not pee their pants at the same time.

    Unfortunately, society can't or won't afford catching smart thieves and most methods used by law enforcement in general only catch criminals that make obvious mistakes. The smarter thieves usually end up in politics, banking or the stock market.

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  15. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No shit sherlock.

  16. Thinking like a criminal by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    If you want to catch a criminal, you need to think like a criminal

    To be successful, you, as a criminal, must know your victim's vulnerability - either they are alone, weak, or they are far away from others' ear shot .... and ... this is important - the place you commit your crime must be familiar to you - or it wouldn't be so easy for you to get away - and in cases involving murder - you, as a criminal, must also know where to dump/bury/hide the body before you commit the murder

    Many times crimes were solved because of the sheer sloppiness of the criminals

    As for throwing dice on the map - I'm afraid it would not be easy - unless of course, the new location happens to be a familiar spot for the criminal
     

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    1. Re:Thinking like a criminal by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      If you want to catch a criminal, you need to think like a criminal

      To be successful, you, as a criminal, must know your victim's vulnerability - either they are alone, weak, or they are far away from others' ear shot .... and ... this is important - the place you commit your crime must be familiar to you - or it wouldn't be so easy for you to get away - and in cases involving murder - you, as a criminal, must also know where to dump/bury/hide the body before you commit the murder

      Many times crimes were solved because of the sheer sloppiness of the criminals

      As for throwing dice on the map - I'm afraid it would not be easy - unless of course, the new location happens to be a familiar spot for the criminal

      Sorry Fred, you have to knock over the coffee kitty at police headquarters.

    2. Re:Thinking like a criminal by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      If you want to catch a criminal, you need to think like a criminal

      And if you want to evade police, you need to think like the police. I.e. run their algorithm, and commit your crime where the algorithm says it is least likely...

    3. Re:Thinking like a criminal by ultranova · · Score: 1

      And if you want to evade police, you need to think like the police. I.e. run their algorithm, and commit your crime where the algorithm says it is least likely...

      You need not only the algorithm but also its input to predict the output. And if you have the know-how to get both, why would you prey on people at street corners instead of stealing credit card info online? It's a crime with lower risks and higher profits and you can do it from the comfort of an office rather than in the streets.

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    4. Re:Thinking like a criminal by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It can only be a matter of time before the wealthier criminal elements (drug gangs for example) are buying list of "places to avoid this month because the prediction systems told us to put more cops there" from the less honest members of the force...

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    5. Re:Thinking like a criminal by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      the place you commit your crime must be familiar to you

      If that's all they are doing, you don't need expensive software for that. Just plot all crimes of a given type and you'll see a cluster around their favorite spot.

      Or if they just rob AM/PM markets, then search for other AM/PM thefts, plot them, and put a sequence number on the pin-points. If there is a general direction or pattern, it should stand out.

      The problem with overly fancy software is that you cannot back-track its logic. If there is something it's doing wrong, perhaps because of some obscure bad data mistake, the detective can't see that.
           

  17. Facebook abstainers by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Start by rounding up all those suspicious Facebook abstainers!

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    1. Re:Facebook abstainers by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      But how can you contact them? Or get to know them for starters? After all they don't have a Facebook account!

    2. Re:Facebook abstainers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You put out a press release that says all non Facebook account holders are mass murderers and then go and catch all the new signups.

    3. Re:Facebook abstainers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. Can't predict crimes without a foolishly tender piece of pulsating meat to sacrifice to the Geart Huitzilopochtli.

  18. Only randomizes so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of hard to randomize the environment which is an important component to most crimes.

  19. Woweezowee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd think that if the police had purchased statistical modelling software it wasn't for the purpose of predicting crimes (pointless), but simply making forward estimates on the types of crimes and geographical distribution.

    Sometimes law enforcement is just that, trying to stop bad people doing shit to other people, without it costing society too much. but that's be a boring article about numbers and cost estimates.

  20. Find ALL the hidden variables by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Wasnt this an episode of Numb3rs?

    1. Re:Find ALL the hidden variables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like every episode.

    2. Re:Find ALL the hidden variables by TheMathemagician · · Score: 1

      Yes Charlie Eppes came up with a model in a few hours that predicted the behaviour and location of a group of criminals and interfaced seamlessly into criminal databases and detailed maps of City streets and buildings.

  21. Predictive Analysis in Crime Prevention by guttentag · · Score: 1

    I hear this is working pretty well for them. They've already discovered that people who don't use facebook are mass murderers in training. The real challenge is trying to figure out who these people are, what they look like, what they are doing, and how much gold they have in Farmville, because the software is currently only able to figure this out for people who are on facebook. This is also made more difficult by the fact that people who don't use facebook are more likely to be intelligent, self-aware, exhibit behavior that does not conform to the patterns of the pack and exhibit a phenomenon known as "free will," which wreaks havoc on their predictive models.

    1. Re:Predictive Analysis in Crime Prevention by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

      ... exhibit a phenomenon known as "free will," which wreaks havoc on their predictive models

       
      You would be surprised that no matter how much "free will" those of us who do not use fb exhibit, there are still patents that are traceable, and predictable
       
      We are, after all, still human beings
       

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  22. "Police work" ? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's just because I watched The Wire, but: what the fuck do you call police work, and who the fuck do you call police?

    Licking the asshole of fascists isn't police work, buddy. It's not even good food.

    1. Re:"Police work" ? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      It's not even good food.

      I sense some disagreement in the form of moderation... though I'm not hearing arguments? Surely, if you can click, you can also type while eating, so do enlighten me.

    2. Re:"Police work" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who owns police?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yjhpp22ygs

    3. Re:"Police work" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you talking to yourself?

    4. Re:"Police work" ? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      Because I enjoy intelligent and sexy company, duh!

    5. Re:"Police work" ? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      Wow. I listen to way too little hip hop worth shit, so thanks for that. The video is pure genius, too.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDb5BOage8k

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKwgCGIQxf8

  23. That's a new approach by guttentag · · Score: 2
    Quoted verbatim from the article:

    “When police departments are laying more sworn personnel, they can do more with less."

    I would never have thought to try that. If you get more personnel laid, they can do more with less? Just think how much more productive programmers could be under such a system!

  24. purchasing trends by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Well, if they are using software similar to what retailers use to 'predict purchasing trends', then all they are looking at is statistics of past crimes, looking at graphs that plot locations, seasons, times, types of crime against a database of past criminals, their ages, past crimes committed, other personal info, but how are they going to account for all other metrics? What about advertising? Whatever is advertised in the media at the time will have more sales. Also what about people without criminal records, are they looking at everybody?

    Obviously they are not looking at every possible home invasion, every possible burglary, every possible theft and every possible murder. They probably have some prioritised locations and people they are interested in, banks, shipping lanes, famous people, who are they looking to protect?

    Are they excluding entire classes of people from their software, like are all of the politicians excluded? All the people connected to the ruling class? Because if they want to prevent REAL crimes, mass murders, theft on huge scale, global scale even, they wouldn't have to go too far, they just have to look at the people in power, running the place.

    1. Re:purchasing trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they excluding entire classes of people from their software, like are all of the politicians excluded? All the people connected to the ruling class? Because if they want to prevent REAL crimes, mass murders, theft on huge scale, global scale even, they wouldn't have to go too far, they just have to look at the people in power, running the place.

      That's not how policing works in a capitalist society. See, in glorious free market capitalism, something is only worth doing if there is profit.

      And there is usually no profit to be made persecuting those in power. Asking/begging/blackmailing those in power for more funding/power is usually the better way to go.

      How often do you hear the police say they could use LESS funding from the government?

  25. All this means for police is that... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 1

    ...rather than the 48 hours to solve a crime (before the chief busts them down to traffic duty so fast their heads will spin), they have 48 minutes.

  26. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Raptoer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately individual police officers were drawing from a much smaller pool of data which was then put through their personal biases. If an officer had a racial or cultural bias then they may perceive an area as having more crime, when the actual statistics don't match.

  27. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Raptoer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    .

    You don't look at individual crimes, you take a selection of areas with similar crime statistics, implement the prediction system in some of them, then see how the crime rates change.

    Second, doesn't this seem like there will now be a market for anti-prediction? That is, find out where the cops think the crime will occur, and do the crime somewhere else. Because the cops will be somewhere else, your chances of getting caught are less

    Perhaps there will be a market for anti-prediction, but the types of crimes that this aims to prevent (or even just be more response to calls about) aren't usually done by sophisticated criminals. Any anti-prediction system would first have to be able to aggregate crime statistics then apply the prediction algorithm, then find areas outside the predicted zones. If you have all that already, you might as well just sell the prediction algorithm to the police rather than make an unethical program that has a very small (and secretive) user base that wouldn't pay much for your system in the first place.

  28. Oh shit, cops! by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

    A police state is a state policed. We all live in one or more. Of course they'll do all they can to better police their state. It's their job, and we pay and vote for them to do it. Corporations license new technologies to them to do it better. Maybe if all citizens just aspired to be "officers" of the institution they'd be happier. Maybe... Just maybe, one should simply succumb and obey one's master.

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  29. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by silanea · · Score: 2

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    You look not at one single crime but at the crime rate for a specific location and crime category. If the rate decreases after you start your prediction-based policing and the crime rate for this category does not increase in another area during the same time (interestingly this is one step proponents of public video surveillance very often happen to overlook), then your approach very likely has prevented such crimes in the targeted area.

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  30. The problem is by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    The problem is someone at some time will realise that "Predictive analysis" has a racial and religious "bias". People will ask "why are most police looking for muggers in black areas and terrorists in Muslim areas"? The answer - that this is where most of the crimes occur, is something that police have known for some time, but been instructed to ignore. Do you really think that the PC brigade will allow it back again because a computer says so? Now I know that in the case of blacks it is due to social deprivation, etc. - I am not blaming them - but it is a fact that they commit more crime.

    1. Re:The problem is by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >Now I know that in the case of blacks it is due to social deprivation, etc. - I am not blaming them - but it is a fact that they commit more crime.

      No it's not. There is no evidence to support your claim. The evidence you're about to cite - actually proves something else: more black people are CONVICTED of crimes, but that doesn't prove they COMMIT more crimes. You'd see the exact same thing if, for example, they just get CAUGHT more often. You'd also see the exact same thing if they were generally poorer, and thus had worse lawyers and therefore were more likely to be convicted than an equally guilty white person.

      Now we have STRONG evidence supporting the idea that they get caught more often (the very police biasses that you mention suggest they would get more attention on them) and you yourself acknowledged the evidence that they are more likely to be convicted because they can't afford high quality lawyers who are good at getting guilty people off.

      See there is absolutely no proof that white people commit LESS crime than black people - there is only proof that white people are less likely to be CONVICTED, those are NOT the same thing as there are not one but TWO mutually reinforcing explanations for that scenario -both of which provably exist.

      More-over, while perhaps a lot of street criminals are of a particular race - street criminals in the real world are almost NEVER self-employed, they always work within syndicates (because syndicates tend to kill freelancers who interfere with their territory) and the evidence suggests that the people at the TOP of the syndicates are overwhelmingly wealthy people - from wealthy backgrounds - and disproportionately white.

      But those people are almost never caught.

      Black people commit more crimes? Well it's possible you're right- but there is NO evidence to support that position, and certainly none that supports the idea that white people commit LESS crimes - only that white people don't get caught as often.

      So Occam's razor suggests that in fact the likelihood of somebody committing a crime is an individual measurement in which group membership/dynamics play little or no role.

      Just like there is no proof that muslims commit most acts of terrorism. In fact, there seems to be a massive amount of terrorist attacks done by Christians. Muslims may have destroyed the WTC but they weren't the first to try - that was Timothy McVeigh. They just did it better.
      The Norway shooter was a radical Christian conservative.
      The Unabomber was an atheist.
      Muslims don't commit more terrorist activities - Muslim terrorists just get more news coverage.

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    2. Re:The problem is by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      [quote] Do you really think that the PC brigade will allow it back again because a computer says so?[quote]

      Yes. Initially. I am overwhelmed out how many times I get: "The computer says this and it's never wrong." The individuals that state this can not be swayed and it takes talking to managers etc.. before some semblance of a logical discussion (just barely) can be started.

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    3. Re:The problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a black muslim must be no fun in the US.

    4. Re:The problem is by operagost · · Score: 1

      Just like there is no proof that muslims commit most acts of terrorism. In fact, there seems to be a massive amount of terrorist attacks done by Christians. Muslims may have destroyed the WTC but they weren't the first to try - that was Timothy McVeigh. They just did it better.

      What? McVeigh blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1995. He had nothing to do with either the 1993 bombing of the WTC or September 11th.

      The Norway shooter was a radical Christian conservative.
      The Unabomber was an atheist.
      Muslims don't commit more terrorist activities - Muslim terrorists just get more news coverage.

      Are you purposely ignoring all the smaller attacks-- you know, suicide bombers in street markets or on buses-- or do you really not read any news? Maybe because people aren't being exploded in your neighborhood, you don't realize that Islamic terrorism is part of life in the Middle East.

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    5. Re:The problem is by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      > Maybe because people aren't being exploded in your neighborhood, you don't realize that Islamic terrorism is part of life in the Middle East.

      Right, and the fact that Islam represents 99% of the population of the middle east doesn't influence your views ? In that population - it' NOT Islamic terrorism - it's just terrorism, there isn't anybody else to perform any other kind.
      Are you purposefully ignoring the fact that most terrorism acts committed in non-Muslim countries are committed by non-Muslims as well ?

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    6. Re:The problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If more black people are caught doing crimes and more are convicted, it's quite a stretch to say and even emphasise there is "NO evidence" to support the idea that they commit more crimes. It may not be conclusive, it may not be strong, but it is not ZERO as you say. Within the current political climate, Al Sharpton et al would be all over the cases of innocent brothers thrown in prison, especially at the oddly skewed prison population breakdown.

  31. Re:what about the increasing role of... by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    balls in ur face. faggot.

    I missed that - is it a new interrogation technique?

  32. Minority report by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    There was a movie about this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

    1. Re:Minority report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a movie about this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

      Hey, what do you know, someone made that same joke 2.5 hours earlier. And someone else did it a minute later.

  33. Step one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step one: where do blacks and Mexicans hang out...

    1. Re:Step one by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      Oh, for god's sake are we back to twelve-year-old jackasses trolling this site again?

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    2. Re:Step one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crime statistics. Look into them. Both African Americans and Hispanics are grossly overrepresented.

  34. Worked on such a project 15 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If nothing else, it allows officers' hypotheses to be tested against real facts, rather than just what they THINK is happening. For example it showed that most burgularies were being done by kids after school. It revealed that the stop searches were happening in the wrong place. It gave clear patterns of time when things were happening. Of course the data in imperfect; it depends on people reporting crimes. Never forget that most crime is opportunistic and done by people with highly chaotic lives. Therefore if you identify the things that trigger their behaviour and provide policing when those triggers are present, you should have a positive effect. And the fact that crimes rates are down - to the distress of the police unions who realise that this means there needs to be less officers - suggests that someone somewhere in the justice system is doing something right (posted anonymously given my police involvement then...)

  35. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    If you have technology to predict where crimes are going to take place, selling it to the police is going to be way, WAY more profitable than using it to commit crimes.

  36. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen."

    Exactly. Cops have no interest in preventing crime since they are evaluated by how they apprehend the criminals and how many of them.
    They'll just use any advance knowledge they'll get, to be in position when the crime occurs to catch the criminals, not to force them to do another crime in a less predictable way.

  37. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can actually see organized criminals being very interested in using "anti-prediction". And also selling messed up versions of prediction algorithms to the police.

  38. You forgot one variable ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Cunning

    Those who are cunning are less likely to end up in jail

    Those who are less cunning are more likely to end up in jail

    Assuming both of them committed similar crimes

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  39. precrime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before it's a crime, it's a precrime! http://noagendatv.com/natv-list/2257-na351-the-mentalist-before-its-a-crime-its-a-pre-crime.html

  40. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    Simple. Say you predicted a robbery of a gas station.

    Scenario 1: The robbers come and try to rob the gas station, but your hidden cops immediately interfere and arrest the robbers. Then you've prevented it.

    Scenario 2: The hidden cops wait for ten hours, and finally go away frustrated because the predicted robbers did not come. Then you didn't prevent it.

  41. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Technically a good cop with good instincts is applying statistics. The human brain is built to recognize patterns and to use those patterns to make predictions. Some of this is done at a subconscious level. So its not that we are necessarily introducing statistics, its seems more that we are using a much larger data set to mine patterns from. Still, as you say, a high tech version of what we already do.

    Very true. I cop friend of mine often gets asked "how did you know it was me?" and his answer is "because you always commit crime x by doing y."Ashe puts it, most criminals are stupid, or at least we only catch the stupid ones. This analysis just builds on what people's brain does naturally, with a more robust data set as you point out. Plus, it never forgets a crime.

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  42. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen."

    Bingo.

    Technology that cannot be proven good or bad either way. Kind of like airport scanners, or red-light cameras. They do have one thing in common though--WE pay for all this crap. That being said, fuck the shill that keeps posting this same shit on Slashdot, over and over.

  43. Idoru by Smask · · Score: 2

    So they copied and automated an idea from "Idoru" by William Gibson. Colin Laney, a guy who earns his living by manually sifting thru data to find dirt on media personalities. He finds a woman who is about to commit suicide, if I recall it correctly.

  44. Ethical Questions? by assertation · · Score: 1

    Going on the assumption of the predictative accuracy of this technology what ethical imperative does the government have to reengineer these situations to make crime not tempting or not an option?

    1. Re:Ethical Questions? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Going on the assumption of the predictative accuracy of this technology what ethical imperative does the government have to reengineer these situations to make crime not tempting or not an option?

      That depends entirely on the nature of the reengineering.
      If you find that crime is more common in areas with particularly bad or underfunded schools and you respond by improving funding and management of those schools you are reducing the amount of drop-outs who become criminals. None of this includes any increase in current government powers - merely using available information to do the jobs we ALREADY gave them with more efficiency.
      On the other hand, if you find that there is a significant amount of carjackings at drive-through restaurants and you therefore ban hamburger sales then I would be protesting.

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  45. So a computer will tell them where to patrol by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    instead of just sitting around eating donuts and having rough gay sex in dark alleys...

  46. Can't wait for them to use this for by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    Speeding tickets since "sarcasm on" speeding laws are about safety and not revenue enhancement "sarcasm off"

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  47. It's a good idea, until.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems like an interesting system. As others have said, this is just some more advanced use of statistics that are already used in police work anyway.

    What I find somewhat scary about this is not the system itself, but the communication around it. By telling people that we can predict crime and that it work, we're slowly preparing for the Minority Report type of systems that will come in some years. Statistics are fine when you apply them to a large population (like an area of a city), but it will become much more problematic when we'll start applying them to individual to keep them locked up because they *might* be dangerous.

  48. Please by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I imagine patrol cops go where they expect some action may occur

    Provided it occurs in the richer enclaves where the Officer Bob bully routine is easily done, yes. But I suspect even in moderately-sized urban areas, there are implicit no-go zones for beat cops, lest they get got.

    1. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cops write speeding tickets. and arrest teenagers and take their beer/pot for their own use. if there is a shooting, armed robbery, etc. cops take the long route so they can be sure to arrive a few minutes late.

  49. Duh by kenp2002 · · Score: 2

    We call it statistical 'profiling' and it happens to be illegal apparently.

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  50. Alternative Justice? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Depends on your definition of 'new system' I guess, but my proposal(short, rough, off the cuff, debate welcome):
    1. No more pleading guilty
    2. You still have prosecution and defense, but now you also have 'truthseeker', who's position is determining the truth, regardless of guilt or innocence.
    3. Professional juries are an option - serve for something like a year, are actually paid real wages. Any given trial that's NOT close to capital case will have a mix of new and experiences jurists.
    4. Sentences will not be done in terms of punishment, but in compensation and rehabitulation. Let's say you stole and wrecked a car as a stupid skillless high school teen dropout. If you're a dumbass in prison it could be a life sentence. If you learn a trade and work at it, you 'pay for' the car in a couple years and get out. If you're a gangbanger you're stuck inside until you're NOT a gangbanger(prisons will need to be seriously reformed to do this).
    5. One idea was to have 'counselours' who 'bid' on prisoners - they get a % of the convict's wages and/or bonuses if the convict stays out of trouble for good amounts of time. The bidding system is so that 'high risk' convicts are worth more, that people don't simply get into bidding wars over the Michael Vicks.

    I'd keep the death penalty for those deemed unreformable. The worst gang-bangers, serial killers, etc... I'll note that this is triage - the right person can work miracles with reforming the worst gangers and even religious extremists. But we need to help reform the most possible. Warehousing unredeemable prisoners with our resources simply isn't possible without ending up with even more unredeemable because you're supporting more. It's a vicious circle.

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  51. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a broken window fallacy to me.

    Cops do get rated on their ability to make arrests, but there's so much crime out there in comparison to cops, that there is no benefit to cops in allowing it to happen if they can stop it. There may well be small-town places where crime is low, but usually that is dealt with by having lower numbers of police staff or even different sorts of "quotas".

    Further, if they are moving their units to high-risk areas to only stop crimes in progress or that have been committed, that increases physical risk to cops themselves. They still have to apprehend the perpetrators, and the perpetrators can be armed and dangerous.

    There certainly may be situations where individual cops might try to game the system, particularly if they don't mind trading off risk for potential rewards, but since statistics are generally used to set concentrations at the higher echelons of the department, individual goals like that are not likely to come into play.

    One way or another, no police officer or administrator is going to complain if the crime rate is non-existent on his watch, because that is a statistic that they can use to justify their existence too.

  52. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Tom · · Score: 1

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    The real world is slightly complicated, so it really depends.

    In some cases, the guy who went shopping with his shotgun in hand is a pretty good indicator, even if after noticing the nearby cops he just buys a beer.

    In other cases, like property crimes, you can wait until a predicted crime happens and arrest the criminal on the spot.

    In many cases, statistics will provide the answer - if you double patrols in some area and crime rate drops considerably, you can check for other effects (say, unemployment in the area dropping) and, after correcting for them, assume that what's left is at least partially caused by the patrols.

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  53. Is this actually new, or just with more 'science'? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    It was my understanding that 'frisk and/or harass the undesirables' has been a well-understood police work technique more or less as long as there has been such an institution... Is this 'predictive analysis' with its fancy computer machines and numbers and things actually a genuinely novel angle, or is it largely the process of paying IBM to build a model that provides an objective, scientific, reason you can give for doing what you are doing if anybody complains?

    The case of New York comes to mind, a city that has both been on the leading edge of 'computerized, data-driven' modelling/performance stuff and rather tastelessly overt 'stop and frisk' approaches toward anybody that they don't like the look of...

  54. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

    "Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen."

    Exactly. Cops have no interest in preventing crime since they are evaluated by how they apprehend the criminals and how many of them. They'll just use any advance knowledge they'll get, to be in position when the crime occurs to catch the criminals, not to force them to do another crime in a less predictable way.

    Police are evaluated on the crime rates, and the percentage of violent crimes solved, the only other arrest that are made public is for DUI checkpoints. Crime rates are used to evaluate a city and their police force arrests are simply not used by the public when deciding on police bonds.

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  55. Re:what about the increasing role of... by bosef1 · · Score: 1

    Hell, it scares me already, and I don't even know what a "face faggot" is.

  56. turns out by nimbius · · Score: 1

    crime revolves around low education, social inequality, and cyclical poverty from low employment rates.

    I can write that into perl, bash, python, or even C if you like, and i accept cash or check.

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  57. better to predict when cops will fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be better if predictive algorithm would be applied to detect when police will fail to circumvent a crime. Predicting where a crime will occur will skew the results disproportionately punishing/convicting people where police failed in the past, perhaps due to incompetence.

  58. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by nbauman · · Score: 1

    They were doing it with computers in New York City since about 1980. It's called Compstat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compstat

    Before that, they were doing it with maps and pushpins.

    There's a similar situation in medicine. Atul Gawande had an article in the New Yorker on using a Compstat-style system for hospitals to find the patients who had the greatest need. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/24/110124fa_fact_gawande

    The doctor Gawande interviewed said, “For all the stupid, expensive, predictive-modelling software that the big venders sell, you just ask the doctors, ‘Who are your most difficult patients?,’ and they can identify them.”

  59. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And cops aren't allowed to be smart:

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&page=1#.UBaazKM-e71

    Courts have ruled that IQ's in the 120's are too high and that police departments can legally discriminate against them. so while I do agree with your premise, it's often the case that the human computer crunching that data is wildly underpowered.

  60. Disambiguation needed. Dogfood test suggested. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "police can determine where the next crime will occur and sometimes prevent it"

    Determine as in "ascertain", or determine as in "decide"? Most jurisdictions there's an entire food-chain of pompous, self-righteous, oh-so-virtuous parasites profiting from and assisting their fellow men and women's sad slide to the bottom. Your really rotten criminals have more self-respect than to be put in that position, too.

    Wonder what a little Bayesian analysis of your average courthouse crowd would reveal?

    1. Re:Disambiguation needed. Dogfood test suggested. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "really rotten" I mean getting some retarded low-lifes to do your dirty work, buy and sell dope for you, assault this one or that one, embarrass rivals by compromising family members, steal this, steal that, trash this one, trash that one, run bunco schemes, psyops, political dirty tricks, etc. etc. all the while playing up your Eagle Scout heroic cop shtick to anyone credulous enough to listen.

      Talk about psycopathic. Next to this a mass murderer is a mere Nazi. But it goes on every day, and everyone considers it perfectly normal.

      Excuse me for giving a shit.

  61. Idoru was the copy cat, not the other way around. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    No, they've improved on an idea that New York City first tried in the mid 1970's, and that several other municipalities also flirted with in the late 1970's and early 80's. There's been fairly steady work on it ever since.

  62. Walmart amazes me by ai4px · · Score: 2

    Walmart tracks every purchase by each customer. They know minute by minute when to expect something will sell. Why then, are there only 2 out of 35 registers open when I go to checkout at 6pm on a friday? :-/

    1. Re:Walmart amazes me by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      because they know that if they shut it down to just the 1, you'd leave.

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  63. Define Criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Define Criminal.

  64. Minority Report by cpopin · · Score: 1

    Mr. Marks, by mandate of the District of Columbia Precrime Division, I'm placing you under arrest for the future phone hacking of Sarah Marks and Donald Dubin that was to take place today, April 22 at 0800 hours and four minutes.

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  65. Cops Always Do This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every town has a street or area where hookers stroll. The cops know it and so does most of the public. Using a computer could make the process more efficient. The same can be said of drug arrests of the type of dealers most easily caught, the ones that sell on the side walks. And the cops are not so dumb that they can't use bail records and court documents to find where criminals are clustering. It can even work in reverse with paedophiles as they normally molest a bit distant from their homes. So if you had ten likely suspects you would probably not study the one that lived 100 feet from the site of the molestation but study one that lived across town as these folks travel to do their thing. Even keeping a felon database can steer cops to apartment houses or employers that hire too many criminals as they are great places to investigate.
                        But since it works the public will loath it. People call the mayor or city council and gripe endlessly about crime but every single measure that tends to reduce crime meets stiff, public resistance. It is sort of like the stun guns and pepper sprays. Complaints abound about those tools but what if the cops agreed and went back to the Billy clubs. The same cop that pepper sprays too easily will bash with the night stick too easily and those night sticks cripple and kill with great reliability.

  66. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got a good eye for patterns myself. Some cops, some prosecutors, some judges, some lawyers, and some Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers might not really like how good an eye for patterns I've got. Also some Fibbies, some GBI, some trust adminstrators, and mostly, some media outlets.

    Patterns like corruption, racketeering, murder, arson, assault, rape, blackmail, extortion, narcotics trafficking, and so on.

    Excuse me for remaining anonymous

  67. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    Ok, so first, if the crime doesn't happen, how do you know you prevented it? Maybe it just didn't happen.

    The simplest answer is a Double Blind Study

    I use a similar modeling technique to tune engines. Their model must have police presence as one of its input factors, since it's the only factor the police can control directly. Before they implement this system, they should perform a "sweep" of this input to establish a correlation.(i.e. vary the amount of police presence) Once the model is created, an optimization algorithm can be used to determine the most effective use of police resources. (i.e. maximize arrests per officer)

    A nice advantage of a system like this is the model can be continually updated. The more data you have, the better the model can become. If the criminals start using some sort of anti-prediction method, I would expect the police would see a drastic drop in their coefficient of determination, and the model would be useless. However, I don't think most criminals are that smart. I think most criminal activity is rooted in some basic sociological rules, too ingrained to be easily changed.

    I don't see this method helping an individual cop on the street. They would do their job as usual. What will change is at police HQ in large cities. It will help them determine boundaries of precincts, staffing, and patrol routes.

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  68. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

    That's not what the article said. It talked specifically about preventing the specific crime that was predicted.

    Hey, I don't have to predict anything to lower crime rates. Find the places that have the worst crime, and flood the streets with cops. Done. That's the same thing that you're suggesting.

  69. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

    Just because some people come to the gas station, and have guns, doesn't mean they were going to rob the place. Until they actually commit the crime, you don't know what they would have done, you can only guess and assume.

    If they commit the crime, even if you bust them right away, you didn't prevent the crime. You just caught them immediately.

  70. Shopkeeper's privilege by jeko · · Score: 1

    The legal term you're looking for is called "shopkeeper's privilege," and it has evolved -- in some jurisdictions -- from the right to challenge shoplifters to being basically indistiguishable from police powers with immunity from lawsuits and prosecution.

    If you've noticed the ridiculously increased militarization of your local mall security, this is one of the reasons why. When one of those Seth-Rogen-Wanna-Be's cracks your skull with a nightstick, this is why the lawsuits you file will be dismissed.

    It's not that our country is headed in the wrong direction any more. It's that we've already arrived.

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  71. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Hey, I don't have to predict anything to lower crime rates. Find the places that have the worst crime, and flood the streets with cops. Done.

    Unfortunately, these days...when they try to do that, they get covered up with complaints of profiling or some other ethinc outcry.

    At least with a system like this...they can now point to something 'fancy and computerized' that backs up the arguments they've had all along...

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  72. The Philosophers got there in 1516 by jeko · · Score: 1

    Stay on that train of thought, and eventually you end up at the same place Thomas More did in 1516 with "Utopia." More noted that the Crown created thieves be depriving people of both education and any possible livelihood, and then punished those same people with shocked outrage when they stole the food they had no other means of getting.

    More went on to note that people who have been made desperate often do desperate things, and that keeping large numbers of ill-restrained, overly-armed men scattered throughout the populace did more to destroy the peace than to keep it. He then made the radical intuitive leap that if people could be kept educated and occupied with productive work while being spared from the ravages of poverty then society as a whole would greatly benefit.

    Naturally, they beheaded him in 1535.

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  73. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You look not at one single crime but at the crime rate for a specific location and crime category."

    Good luck with that, every successive administration is looking to cook the numbers to make it look like they are doing their jobs. Wasn't there a recent scandal in regards to the NYPD lumping multiple crimes in an area as a single crime for bookkeeping purposes to make it look on paper like the crime rate was falling?

  74. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this seems like a pretty silly way to use statistical analysis. wouldn't the money be better spent raising the pay rate of cops? this way you can hire better people who will be less susceptible to corruption, perform better, etc. then you can just ask these people where the crimes are being committed.

  75. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this technology will most probably be used to find the space-time coordinates of roads when/where speeding ticket revenue can be maximized.

  76. Not their job by blackbear · · Score: 1

    It is not the job of the police to prevent crime. Nor is it their job to protect you as an individual. (don't believe me? check with SCOTUS.) Regardless, the only reason anyone is even working on predictive analysis is because the public is demanding it.

    The job of the police is to take reports, conduct investigations, and apprehend suspects. If an individual officer feels it is his/her duty to help someone out, or protect them, then that's wonderful and I'm glad there are officers willing to do that. However, it's not their job, and you shouldn't expect it. The problem is people do expect it, and the more we expect the police to look out for individuals, the less freedom we're going to have. That's the only way for them to do the job we're asking them to do.

    The coming police state (some say it's already here) will be the result of ordinary citizens refusing to take responsibility for their own safety. By foisting the job off on the police, you attempt to make them responsibile for your welbeing. In doing so, you compromise your rights. So if you don't like fascism, then stop asking for it.

  77. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Cops have been doing this for some time. There is always a section in any metropolitan police department that does such analysis. They are expected not to catch crooks but stop crime. Such analysis can be effectively used to position police departments in the right area to deter crime.

    It is also unfortunately used to move officers around to enhance traffic tickets by analyzing slumps in tickets they know when drivers have adapted and will move to fresh pickings.

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  78. Re:Just a higher tech version of what cops already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In some neighborhoods cops explicitly don't go where they expect some action to occur.

  79. predicting crimes is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just look at the poor neighborhoods.

  80. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    local cops had a golden period a while back when they tried this; what popped up was that you could identify gang territories by the geography of their tags (graffiti for you old timers); you could identify who was doing the tagging because they would have the same tags on their books, bikes, etc.; and if you picked them up and squeezed them for the tagging, they would inevitably break down and bargain away the gang leaders. Unfortunately, after a year or two the gang leaders started a new plan of shooting anybody in the gang who was tagging, but it was good while it lasted.

  81. pattern recognition software by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    half of humanity interprets signals the wrong way, and this can probably not be hacked ... nor can it be predicted. . . would i dare use the word 'lazy' ?

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