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NRC Accused of Ignoring Proliferation Risks With SILEX Enrichment

Harperdog writes "Scott Kemp has a disturbing look at SILEX, a new technology that 'happens to be well suited for making nuclear weapons.' There are many disturbing aspects the this article, not least that the NRC, which is required to consider the critical question of proliferation, has so far punted when it comes to examining that question. 'The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has refused to consider the proliferation risk in its decision to issue a license for the first commercial SILEX facility, despite a statutory obligation to do so. Only a few weeks remain for Congress to intervene.'" Not everyone agrees that SILEX poses a real proliferation threat. Kind of a shame that its environmental benefits (lower power consumption and a smaller waste stream than existing processes) are what increase the proliferation risk.

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  1. Put the Genie back in the bottle by AB3A · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what are they supposed to do, make a law against using this technology? Yeah, that will work --NOT!

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    1. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nuke it from orbit! It's the... oh wait.

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    2. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dead on.

      Technology, once discovered, will be used. Law or no law. As long as there is someone wanting it, someone will produce it and sell it. Welcome to the free market. Worked every time, even for communist states.

      The only sensible thing to do now is to make sure we stay ahead, and monitor where technology and resources needed to reproduce it go.

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    3. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      "...monitor where technology and resources needed to reproduce it go."

      That's the problem. This technology would not be easily tracked or monitored. Enriching uranium is the stepping stone to making bombs. The US is already up in arms over Iran's uranium enrichment program. US claims it's for bombs, Iran claims it's for energy. How do you verify?

      Perhaps you should do some research.

    4. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the problem. This technology would not be easily tracked or monitored. Enriching uranium is the stepping stone to making bombs. The US is already up in arms over Iran's uranium enrichment program. US claims it's for bombs, Iran claims it's for energy. How do you verify?

      This technology already exists. Please Mr. Genie, go back in the bottle won't you?

      Whether or not the NRC gives this tech its official stamp of approval has no bearing on whether or not Iran has already started working on their own SILEX facility. So why the hell shouldn't we benefit from it? The proliferation risk amounts to nothing but an "oops, should have thought of that 25 years ago" footnote to the entire issue.

    5. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      Just a small point, Israel doesn't lie. It explicitly does not comment on whether or not they have nuclear weapons and officially they do not inform the United States of whether or not they have nuclear weapons. They do it this way because it allows them to interact with the US without breaking our NPT duties while simultaneously not lying about whether they have nuclear weapons, which would break our NPT duties.

      So they don't lie. And, in fact, they don't even pretend not to have nukes. They just refuse to comment.

    6. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      For someone like Iran to hit the USA with even a single nuke they are gonna need rockets a HELL of a lot better than what they have now, which are basically just upgrades to the old Soviet Scud. Now Iran could hit Israel with a nuke Scud possibly, not even 50/50 since a nuke is heavier than the typical payload on one of those, but since Israel has enough nukes that the single nuke scud would be met with 50 more advanced bombs that would pretty much wipe Iran completely off the map its not that big of a risk. Sure Imahdajerk likes to work up the crowds but he likes breathing and I seriously doubt he's in a hurry to punch his own ticket, those type of despots usually hang onto life and power like old Dear leader in NK did.

      No your bigger threat is the "group with a cause" because frankly they have nothing to lose. they aren't really beholden to a single nation, won't care if building the weapon gives them all fatal doses as they are 'ready to die for the cause' anyway and since they are willing to die for the cause they can just stick the sucker in a Ryder truck and drive the thing to wear they want to go boom.

      Look at it THIS way...India and Pakistan hate each others guts, right? Both have nukes, yet how many times have they nuked each other? That would be none, because like it or not MAD works Both know that neither side would "win" anything by an exchange so its simply in their best interest to keep their hatred contained in border exchanges and back and forth than to go nuke. Meanwhile there are religious extremists that believe it requires the start of a massive holy war to call forth the Mahdi who will then save them with magic. Kinda hard to threaten MAD when one side thinks they have a 1000 year old warrior with the magic of Allah on his side.

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    7. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

      Why would the UN have to get involved? Israel isn't a signatory of the NPT and isn't bound by its provisions. The major assistance it got happened prior to 1968 (when the NPT was signed) when the Dimona reactor was being built by the French. Israel might have helped South Africa with its program, but South Africa didn't sign the NPT until 1991.

      I think the Israelis have been very careful to ensure technical compatibility with other nations' signing status. They've got plenty of bright people (and some of them are spies) so could very well have developed the technology more or less on their own.

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    8. Re:Put the Genie back in the bottle by EdIII · · Score: 2

      So the US is a huge nuclear-armed threat to my life.

      Hardly .

      You might be struck with something non-nuclear. Maybe all the way up to a MOAB, but that is extremely doubtful. Whatever a drone strike could pull off.

      When the poster mentioned that state actors fear MAD, what he really means is that State actors are going to consider consequences a hell of lot more rationally, and thoroughly before acting. The US would have to be pushed severely before using nuclear anything. Especially, when nuclear has such severe long lasting consequences and there are so many other options.

      Non-state actors have no such concerns beyond the present need. Most of the time we are talking about mentally unstable sociopaths that justify their actions in whatever way they want. If that Holmes guy had access to nuclear technology he would have used it. Terrorists are not so different because their primary interest is causing widespread fear and instability in societies to bully them into compliance with their demands. The group usually does not want to die, but they are far more tolerant of losses than state actors.

      I was not worried about Iraq having nuclear weapons because, and we know this now, it would have been nigh impossible for Saddam to have ordered a strike. His government would not have complied with those wishes. His sons were true gangsters, but they would not have used nuclear either. Too many people in the chain.

      North Korea was far more concerning because of the ideological indoctrination that everyone receives there. They could honestly believe that nuclear aggression might be their last option. However, because we know how much corruption there is over there with their incredibly faithful reenactment of The Animal Farm, it is not likely that the upper echelons would truly risk anything that would endanger their standards of living.

      Iran is only slightly concerning because of their religious nature and ongoing war with Israel, but is just as doubtful that they would truly use nuclear weapons. Seriously, Iran is just way too close to Israel. Their own populations would be just as affected.

      As for the US.... while it may be true the President can order a strike we all damn well know if we were not at Defcon 1 the chances of the order being followed are near zero. So many people in that chain are rational people. Unless they also felt threatened, or that there was an extremely good reason, they probably would not comply. There would need to be some consensus amongst thousands of individuals involved in that chain for any hope of a nuclear strike to commence.

      Quickest way for the President to be removed from office and committed for psych eval? Order a nuclear strike out of nowhere, or specifically at "that durrr butthead on Slashdot".

      You're not under any nuclear threat from the US. The biggest threat from the US is the Intellectual Property legislation and bullshit coming from our corporations. You need to be afraid of that threat to your liberty first.

  2. Re:The NRC? by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recall some of these debates around breeder reactors (which also have significant dual-use possibilities), and the arguments there were that, although obviously the U.S. already has nuclear weapons, it should nonetheless not use a dual-use-prone technology for its civilian reactors, because doing so: 1) sets a precedent that this is normal civilian nuclear technology and makes it harder to argue against other countries also using it; and 2) may bring the cost down and improve the practicalities so that it's easier for other countries to get one.

    Not sure it's a good argument, but I think the arguments around SILEX would be basically the same.

  3. Alternative by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The alternative is to not build a SILEX plant in the US.

    And what will the results be? Will no one else build them? If the technical hurdle, as the article claims, is the laser system, and if they are getting easier to produce, then it seems unlikely that no one else will produce a SILEX plant.

    Therefore, the danger does not stem from the US building a SILEX plant. It stems from laser research. So why doesn't the article insist we stop researching lasers?

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    1. Re:Alternative by sycodon · · Score: 2

      The anti-nuke activists, while at the same time decrying coal and gas power plants, will do everything in their power to stall or prevent the development of modern nuclear power technologies. In short, they won't be happy until everyone is sitting in the forest crying for the trees.

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    2. Re:Alternative by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real solution is LFTR reactors.

      No more enrichment, ever.
      Cheap fuel (currently is a waste product of mining)
      No more 100+ Atmosphere pressure vessels to burst
      No more backup generators needed
      Accidental meltdowns are impossible
      Turn reactor on/off in hours/minutes not months
      Unable to weaponize any part of fuel or waste.
      Needs Uranium only to start the reactor
      Creates leukemia fighting medical isotopes
      Creates isotopes for space-grade batteries for NASA
      Creates very little waste

      Issue: Regulations set by existing Nuke industry.

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  4. Yup by ShooterNeo · · Score: 2

    It will probably become easier to enrich uranium for anyone who has the resources to do it, whether or not this Silex technology is made commercial scale. It's not like the basics of the technology are a secret.

  5. Do they realise...? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the USA realize that all this "we're running the world" stuff just makes foreign extremists angry? Even more determined to have it?

    Imagine it was the other way around with some other country telling the USA what to do...

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    1. Re:Do they realise...? by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Does the USA realize that all this "we're running the world" stuff just makes foreign extremists angry?

      What I never got was all those outcries along the lines of "We're not the worlds police" .. yet you have things like this happening more and more.

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  6. SILEX = Separation of Isotopes by Laser EXcitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...in case you were wondering. An energy-efficient means of enriching uranium, worrisome because it would be harder to detect its use than older methods.

  7. Re:The NRC? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    And noticed how we eventually dealt with breeder reactors? The nuclear treaties surrounding the distribution and use of fissionable material pretty much state that everyone may have what they need but need to allow international supervision that it's only used in power plants and not in nukes. Where's the problem with that? I mean, aside of some being more equal than others...

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  8. Re:Should be used by the US, kept away from Iran by necro81 · · Score: 2

    Just becasue there are issues that it can be used to make a bomb, should not stop countries such as the US developing it for its nuclear power plants. I would agree that the facilities to process it should be licenced and monitored and we should keep it out of the hands of rogue states such as Iran

    Gosh, with platitudes like that, you should run for office! It is very easy for politicians, who don't actually live in the same reality as the rest of us, to make such simplistic statements without offering any concrete or realistic suggestion as to how they would accomplish those ends.

    Gov. Romney: If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if we elect Mitt Romney, they will not have a nuclear weapon. [Nov 12, 2011, GOP Debate in Spartanburg, S.C.]

    Inquiring Media, fellow candidates, anyone with half a brain: How will you accomplish that, exactly?

    Gov. Romney: [crickets]

  9. Re:Should be used by the US, kept away from Iran by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, I know it's hard when you didn't grow up in a country where you knew from the start that your media is lying, but at least spot propaganda when it hits you right in the face, will ya?

    No, I'm not talking about Fox News and how they try to picture Ahmadingbats as a ravaging lunatic. I mean him himself. He is not a ravaging lunatic or a islamist madman, he's just a populist. That's all there is.

    Now, don't get me wrong, I won't call the Iran a democracy. Hell, even the US is more of a democracy than that theocracy (because that's what the Iran actually is, under its thin blanket of show elections and whatnot). But even there elections exist, and even though the choices are pretty much akin to having the choice between an ultra-right wing idiot and a right wing loonie (i.e. pretty much as it is in the US, just with Allah instead of Economy+Jesus as the savior), Ahmadinejad wants to get reelected. So he tells the people what they want to hear. That he's a tough guy, that he'll smite their enemies and that he will not allow any outside force to change their way of life.

    You'll hear something like that soon too, afaik prez elections are coming in the US.

    And just like the US prez needs terrorists as an enemy element, Ahmi has Israel as a pet boogeyman.

    Notice how his rants went dry lately? Well, duh, he can't be reelected, and the next elections are only due in about 2 years. You don't hear Obama rant about the threats of terror constantly either, do you?

    And why does this appeal to the average Iranian? Because they're all islamistic madmen who want to wipe the Earth clean of everything that doesn't bow towards Mecca? Well. Let's take a look at the world map. For the average US American, try finding Russia and then look south of it, you might find Iran. To the left of it, Iraq. To the right, Afghanistan. Both countries that have been invaded (with so-so success) by the US.

    Now imagine the Iran (or if you prefer some other boogeyman, try Russia or the UN) took over control of Mexico and Canada, and then ponder for a moment how you'd feel about the Iran, even if Fox News didn't bombard you constantly with the message how they're Teh Evilz and how they want to kill the lot of you.

    This is how the average Iranian feels, I guess...

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  10. Re:The NRC? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    I for one support the continuous production of highly enriched nuclear material. Enriched nuclear material is not waste, and can be fed back into the reactor to make more energy. We should continue enriching the waste products until we've burned out most of it and have little waste left, though that might take 200,000 years or so. Considering the amount of nuclear material available, we may be able to add fresh material to the pile and have some 70% left over when it comes time for the sun to burn out.

  11. Congress intervene? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    What are they going to do, pass a law making it illegal to ignore a statutory requirement?

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  12. I don't buy your premise by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    Foreign extremists will be angry. About something. Always. This is all they do.

    People who bomb civilians by surprise, in their homelands mostly BTW, are not people you ever consider having a valid agenda you can somehow appease by changing your own behavior.

    Because it's not about your behavior. It is about their behavior, and their agenda, which would violently exist no matter what you said or did.

    At some point you have to realize you have to oppose people on the basis of their lame agenda and their lame tactics as a simple matter of principle. THEIR agenda. Which would exist no matter how peaceful or not the West is or ever was. And in opposing them, you do not piss them off. Because they are already pissed off and interested in bombing anyone who opposes them already. Come to them with flowers, or come to them with a drone, they are already engaged in the business of murder according to their own teachings and desires, completely independent of anything in the West's agenda. It is the height of arrogance to assume you are the source of their menace. The source of their menace is their own ideology, created completely on their own, completely having nothing to do with the West. You would know this, if you saw the obvious truth that the greatest victim of these a**holes are their own people, in their own homelands.

    This whole premise of appeasing radical hotheads is a complete nonstarter. You don't appease them. You oppose them. They are already committed to violence according to their own self-realized agenda. Their agenda has nothing to do with, and will never have anything to do with, anything the West ever did or is doing.

    You oppose them on principle, and you oppose them in the name of helping the moderates in their homelands retain control of their homelands. You don't try to appease them. Because you can't ever appease them. You have to understand what kind of a**holes you are really dealing with here. Currently, you do not. You believe this arrogant lie that these monsters are created by the West, somehow, by magic, even as these monsters cite their own ideological beliefs in their inspiration, and even as they have an agenda which has nothing to do with the West, and has to do with transforming their own societies into medieval hellholes.

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  13. Re:The NRC? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    In a reactor, uranium is kept critical. That means it experiences a chain reaction by which neutrons released at high speeds from radioactive decay strike other atoms, causing them to decay and release more neutrons.

    In a bomb, uranium is made super-critical. Highly enriched uranium is compressed uniformly by conventional explosives. Metal doesn't compress well, but 4 tons of C4 in an inward-facing spherical shape charge is hard to argue with. The slightest decrease in total volume (increase in density--in this case a UNIFORM increase in density) pushes the uranium (or plutonium) beyond the critical point. Rather than simply chaining, it chains FAST: The outer surface of radioactive material compresses and begins efficiently capturing neutrons. This causes the atoms to break and release neutrons, many of which are directed in ward toward more compressed uranium, which quickly vaporizes in the same way. This creates more and more force due to creating an inward-expanding shell of nuclear explosion event horizon, compressing the metal and blasting it with a large load of released neutrons. In a fraction of a millisecond, the entire mass vaporizes by fission, which is significantly different from any other form of vaporization (for example, being heated until it boils off into metallic gas).

    This doesn't happen just 'cause you pulled out the control rods. Trust me. A quick, efficient way to breed good, high-quality fissile material is a good thing; it won't blow up in your reactor. It might be a lot better quality than you really need, but we can always tone things down and just make better-than-good-enough refined nuclear material. If you can get to X, you can get to some point somewhat before X.