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Existing Solar Tech Could Power Entire US, Says NREL

derekmead writes "A new report from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory finds that solar holds more potential to generate more power (PDF) than any other clean energy source. The NREL broke things down into four groups: urban and rural utility-scale photovoltaics (giant solar plants, basically) as well as rooftop solar and concentrated mirror arrays. Between those technologies, which are all already on the market, the NREL reckons there's a proven potential for solar to hit a capacity of 200,000 gigawatts in the United States alone. For some perspective, 1 gigawatt is what a single nuclear power plant might generate, and it's more than most coal plants. A gigawatt of capacity is enough to power approximately 700,000 homes."

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  1. We will get solar when there's a profit. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a capitalist society, abundance is not a feature.

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    1. Re:We will get solar when there's a profit. by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unlikely. If there was an easy and cheap way to use solar power, why wouldn't they? Of course part of the problem is that monopolies and government subsidies often distort the market when it comes to energy, but if there was truly a way for people to get cheap, reliable, easy solar energy, solar would be very popular. The problem is, solar is not cheap. And going off the grid by installing your own solar panels is neither cheap nor easy.

      One day, solar energy will be cost-effective in many places, but not today. Solar energy is great if you want to move off the grid, or if you're in a remote location, but for the average American, it simply isn't cheap enough yet.

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    2. Re:We will get solar when there's a profit. by raygundan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      4x it's weight in toxic waste and greenhouse gasses

      That's not very much. Each kWh the panels generate saves roughly half a kilogram of greenhouse gasses based on the average generation mix in the US, for example. On average, a single one of the 15kg, 215-watt panels on our roof makes enough power to offset four times its weight in greenhouse gas every 23 days. Given their 25-year warranty, that's means that the panels will save roughly four hundred times the greenhouse gas that was produced in their construction, if your "four times the weight of the panel" number is correct.

    3. Re:We will get solar when there's a profit. by Mike_EE_U_of_I · · Score: 5, Informative

      * inverters blow out, occasionally needing replacement
      * sometimes you use more power than the panels can provide (especially if you have a garage)
      * a home with north-facing roof or on the north side of anything bigger than it doesn't fare so well.
      * as sibling said - the sun goes down every day.

      True.

      * if you have kids, odds are good they're going to throw something onto the roof. Odds are better that it'll be hard enough to crack the glass on a panel.

      Not true. Panels are designed to withstand pretty heavy hail hitting it at terminal velocity. Unless your kids are shooting at your roof with a gun, the panels should be fine.

      * even top-end panels last about 25 years max before peak output drops below 80% of rated Wp

      Not true. Standard guarantee is that panels will be at the 80% mark or higher at 25 years.

      Finally, to make a panel, you have to burn an unholy amount of electricity just to feed the CZ furnaces for the wafers/cells (letting alone wafering, cell processing, panel construction, etc). It has to come from *somewhere*...

      True. But energy payback time is down to between .5 and 1.4 years depending on exact technology used. That's from the EPIA March 2011 white paper, and things are surely better now.

    4. Re:We will get solar when there's a profit. by norpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think he is referring to the EV you will have recharging in there?

      Or maybe he uses his garage as a grow room

    5. Re:We will get solar when there's a profit. by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just build the fucking Dyson Sphere and be done with it.

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  2. You'll Have To Claw That Oil Out Of My Cold Dead.. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't bother us with your pathetic alternative energies. We have to burn every fucking ounce of long-chain hydrocarbons, use up every ounce of radioactive ore, burn every ounce of methane and other simple hydrocarbon, before we even consider your pathetic green hippy alternative energy sources. Only fags and Commies believe in generating electricity by anything other than CO2-vomiting power plants. Oh, and CO2 is totally harmless, no matter how fucking much of it you puke out.

    God bless oil! The only way oil could be better is if I could fuck or eat it! Now get off my lawn, you pathetic Marxist hippies.

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  3. gigawatt...ho hum by CrowdedBrainzzzsand9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1 gigawatt is what a single nuclear power plant might generate, and it's more than most coal plants

    On the other hand, that's barely enough for one jump back to the future.

  4. Solar power at night is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They have tested and proven that "molten salt" can be produced by aiming a field of mirrors at a high tower. The salt is double the temperature of boiling water. It gets stored underground in big tanks or caverns. Then a portion of the heat is used (24 hours a day) to boil water and run a conventional steam turbine hooked up to a conventional generator. The system can run for 3 days with no sunlight.

  5. Re:Wow by Hentes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Solar power towers can store energy efficiently in molten salt and achieve continuous output.

  6. Re:duh by Fished · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, building such things is not a "cost" but an investment. Just allocate the whole cost of the past several Middle-Eastern wars to your power bill and see how it goes for ya.

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  7. Re:Cost is important! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it doesn't. So long as the solar panels pay for themselves, they're viable. It may not be viable for an individual to put them on his roof (mostly because they are undervalued in the market, if what you say is true) but that has nothing to do with whether you can go and build solar power plants to replace coal, nuclear, gas and oil.

    Just because one specific type of solar installation might not be perfect (for you) doesn't mean solar itself won't work.

  8. I have a few questions... by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be great if the U.S. started a public works program (not unlike the Hoover Dam project) that provided unemployed Americans jobs building solar/battery systems? Wouldn't that be a fantastic use of taxpayer's dollars? Why isn't that already happening to help out of work Americans?

  9. Re:Thorium by tmosley · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it isn't. A typical rare earth mine produces enough thorium to power to planet over a given year, and there are thousands of such mines, many of which are currently uneconomical because of thorium contamination (thorium isn't useful for much other than nuclear fuel, and is expensive to store/dispose of without reactors to burn it).

    The fact is that there is so much thorium in Earth's crust, you hardly need another energy source. If we ran out after 100,000 years, we would start mining other planets and moons for the stuff. It is so energy dense that such operations would be economical, even with our current primitive technology.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4