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Judge Rules Oracle Must Continue Porting Software To Itanium

angry tapir writes "A California court has ordered Oracle to continue porting its software to the Intel Itanium chips used by Hewlett-Packard in a number of its servers. Last year, Oracle, which competes with HP in the hardware market but shares many customers with the vendor, announced it would cease supporting Itanium. HP filed suit in June 2011, maintaining that Oracle was contractually bound to continue supporting Itanium."

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  1. Not an Oracle Fan by imemyself · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hahahahaha! Not that I really think there's any use in prolonging the inevitable with Itanium, but I just love hearing about Oracle getting fucked.

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    1. Re:Not an Oracle Fan by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But...cue the horribly glitchy, barely working, piece of crap Itanium port edition rofl.

    2. Re:Not an Oracle Fan by CheshireDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yup, I kind of see patches and other developments coming very slowly to glitchy software. No where does it say how fast they have to code and release patches. i see problems ahead. Usually the bully picks on the kid too hard and the kid comes back and shoots up the whole school....eh, bad analogy

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    3. Re:Not an Oracle Fan by OnlineAlias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Neither company wants to continue down this path...HP knows no one will buy the platform with a gun to Oracle's head. This judgement merely forces Oracle to pay HP in an agreement not to have to port the code and then sales of everything will stop.

    4. Re:Not an Oracle Fan by Niomosy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Tandems / NonStop servers also use Itaniums.

  2. Sure it's the Itanic by WiiVault · · Score: 4, Informative

    But if Oracle was stupid enough to agree to support a chip for a long period based on Intel and HP's suggestion of everlasting server dominance, then they deserve what they get. Oracle should have bothered to do a little research, and if they had they would have realized Itanium was the turd most of us "little people" figured even at the time.The term Itanic wasn't coined yesterday or for no reason Mr Ellison.

    1. Re:Sure it's the Itanic by sangreal66 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They actually made the agreement when Itanium was already dying (2010). It was (a vague) part of the settlement when HP sued them for hiring their former CEO

      At least, that is what I got when I RTFA

    2. Re:Sure it's the Itanic by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was going to suggest that iTunes for Windows was another good example of this, but then I remembered that it sucks on Mac OS X as well.

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    3. Re:Sure it's the Itanic by walshy007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's about the large enterprise customers, they bought into itanium and want continued support for it. Asking a gigantic company (the clients who bought itanium) to change architectures or use a mix of them in a short period is a quick way to lose the customer.

    4. Re:Sure it's the Itanic by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      GNU/Hurd, please. Don't set Stallman off again.

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  3. Re:Free enterprise! by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is. Unless you haven't freely entered into a contract guaranteeing you won't do it.

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  4. Re:Free enterprise! by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is free enterprise. Oracle and HP entered a contract. Oracle disputed, and the judge said they can't back out of their contract. So there you have it.

  5. Silly Oracle by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you *really* want to depend on a forced port?

    One that the developers' heart isn't in?

    One that their company puts all their least competent people on?

    One were a few deliberate bugs would be just as bad for you business as not having a port at all - if not worse?

    (And how are you going to prove in court that a bug is deliberate, unless some manager is stupid enough to send the order to the developers by e-mail.)

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    1. Re:Silly Oracle by steelfood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. The difference between "supported" and "not supported" more or less amounts to whether a support drone logs a ticket or not when you call in. Especially where Ellison (who is only slightly less evil than the RIAA and MPAA) is involved, there's no "spirit," only "word" of the law.

      Obviously, Oracle will honor their contract with HP. If the contract can be honored by poor-performing 60-year old guys trained in supporting S/370s somehow managed to squeak by and not be forcibly retired (not that all 60-year old guys supporting IBM mainframes are poor performers), then so be it. And if those guys throw their hands up in the air after a few hours on site, because in reality they have no idea what they're doing, as long as the contract does not stipulate a time limit before fixing each problem, then that's fine too.

      Good luck, HP. Dealing with Oracle is a step down from dealing with the devil. At least the devil actually gives you what you asked for (while all the numerous ancillary things somehow end up going horribly wrong).

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    2. Re:Silly Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      OTHO, the software will still represent Oracle to customers. Deliberate bugs and deliberately substandard support will just be their own foot they're shooting. Their sales managers will *not* like dealing with that, so it's unlikely.

  6. Re:Free enterprise! by rve · · Score: 5, Funny

    evacuate City 17 at once, if not sooner! I cannot state this without enough undue emphasis.

  7. Re:Open source impact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You miss-read that. The judge pointed out that even when they *didn't* have a contract, they had (for decades) worked together in good faith on huge, and expensive projects. In the face of that past behavior, HP's belief that Oracle would *honor* the terms of a settlement agreement (which is a contract), was beyond reasonable, and Oracle doesn't have a leg to stand on with regard to reneging on that agreement.

  8. Re:Then shouldn't HP have to support TouchPad? Pre by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being a trustworthy hardware entity isn't really the HP Way since at least the late 90's. Now it's just the same shit Dell and Acer and the rest sell, but with a roll of the dice CEO and enough money from printers to pretend that they still have anything to bring to the table. Innovation is a four letter as they have selected the role of yet another OEM. HP used to be awesome, now... not so much. Still Oracle laid their bed on this one, and HP is just treating them the way they would have treated HP if the roles were flipped.

    They still support old mainframe boxen from a different era running VMS, HP-UX, Non-stop and I think Tandom? These things run nuclear power plants, air traffic control systems, financial markets, and things that IBM still makes money today. These are not your typical XP to Windows 7 migration issues upgrading boxes but are part of decades old infrastructure. HP acquired some hardcore players like Digital back in its day.

    True I have not even seen opensource software work on VMS ports of perl and apache since the beginning of the century. No new customers and my guess is they are supporting old.

    But still you are right with new purchases and this pulling of Itanium has scared the crap out of customers who are already investing in crappy wintel or lintel replacements in clusters for many things that are not industrial scale.

  9. locked-in customers by Chirs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They likely have big enterprise customers that have spent oodles of money customizing the software. It's not just a matter of recompiling at that point.