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Carriers Blame the iPhone For Data Caps and Increased Upgrade Fees

zacharye writes "Bruised mobile carriers such as AT&T and Verizon are 'fighting back' against Apple's iPhone, despite the fact that the device has helped them eke out consistently higher average revenue per wireless subscribers since its launch. To hear the carriers tell it, the iPhone is a major inhibitor to their profits as last year they were 'only' generating wireless service profit margins in the 38% to 42% range. But ever since these beleaguered companies started 'fighting back' by implementing data caps, increasing fees for device upgrades and implementing longer waiting periods before users can switch devices, they’ve seen their wireless service profit margins surge. AT&T reported a 45% margin in Q2 2012 and Verizon reported a record-high 49% margin."

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  1. Victims of their own greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who spent 10 mintues with the iPad, and iPhone would realize they are enormous bandwidth hogs. You don't have to be a telcomm. engineer to see that video chat, and Netflix are killer apps. in terms of backhaul, spectrum and popularity.

    They didn't plan properly, didn't spend appropriately and now they are punishing and blaming their users for using these devices exactly as they were designed.

    1. Re:Victims of their own greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which is why I will never upgrade and lose my unlimited data, and will try my hardest to go over the 2GB "recommended" usage every month. And since I'm on Verizon and they now need to remove the $20 per month tethering charge I will be tethering everything. For everyone saying I'm only hurting the other users, Verizon needs to upgrade their systems instead of claiming 50% profits, invest that in your damn infrastructure.

    2. Re:Victims of their own greed by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Phone Company,

      I understand that I am a vocal minority, and that most share holders are completely driven by liquid asset flow.

      However, the construction of the towers in other people's neighborhoods is directly in line with my own interests in having a telephone company, and am able to see this as an investor.

      Land that is serviceable for the installation of such infrastructure, especially in dense urban areas, is very scarce, and suffers a high price at market to develop. As such, the more you wait on installation, the more likely you are that a competitor will acquire the property, install the tower, and then remove that potential growth from this company's reach. As an investor, I want my investments to grow. That means spending some of the liquidity I expect to receive in my dividend cheque on growing the enterprise.

      Please dont try to pump and dump investors by offering fat dividend cheques, and neglecting your infrastructure, only to then offer poor service, lose customers, and devalue the investments of my fellow investors.

      As an informed investor, I prefer stable and reliable growth that factors in the costs of properly growing and maintaining the enterprise I have invested in. In short, Directors of the Phone Company, I am interested in the long term profitablility of the enterprise, and not the short term stock price. This is why I am drawing dividend cheques, and not day trading. Day traders are obcessed with fluid stock prices to game the stock trade system. I am a long term investor. I want stable investments in my 401k and other portfolios.

      Please stop trying to claim that you are doing these things in my best interests, when it is blatantly obvious that these activities result in a poor quality of service from your enterprise, and drive away customers. This is clearly NOT in my interest as an investor.

      Please build the damn towers, and do it before RivalCorp buys all the suitable properties.

      Thank you.

    3. Re:Victims of their own greed by leonardluen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Stockholder,

      Please disregard the last message. We have instead decided to give this years profit as a big bonus to the CEO.

      Sincerely,

      The Phone Company

    4. Re:Victims of their own greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't tell me about the pain, just show me the baby.

      If I'm late on my bill, does the phone company care why? Having been broke before I assure you they do not. I reciprocate by not caring at all why it is so hard for them to conduct their business, I care only for the benefits that accrue to me.

    5. Re:Victims of their own greed by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Informative

      i was at the beach last month and my iphone was SLOW. i look around and every other person has a smart phone.

      Hmm... Seems you and the others were using the beach wrong. Not trying to judge, but put down the phone and enjoy the surf, sand and sun.

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  2. Re:why are american corporations so incompetent? by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    American CEOs live by the Golden Parachute philosophy:

    Attain a high level position on the board, if not the CEO chair itself.

    Enact short sighted, but highly lucrative policies for the short term.

    Rack up a HUGE "profit".

    BAIL! BAIL! BAIL!

    Eject from the burning enterprise as it crashes into insolvency, and deploy the golden parachute.

    Majestically float into the next board meeting at the next fortune 500 corporation.

  3. Blame The Customers Business Model by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The carriers went to great pains to advertise all of the bandwidth-hogging things you can do with their phones, such as video chat, streaming movies etc. Now that their ad campaigns have proven successful and people are actually doing all those things, the carriers find that they cannot hold up their end of the bargain. Their solution to this problem is to blame their customers for using what they were sold.

    They need to put some of those profits into improving their infrastructure so they can deliver what they sold. An awful lot of businesses would be very happy with profit margins half of what these guys are getting.

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    1. Re:Blame The Customers Business Model by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I still watch all the "get blazingly fast 4G" adds thinking that they should be forced to include disclosures like are required on drug adds.

      "using AT&T's 4G service at full speed for 30 minutes will surpass the subscriber's bandwidth cap."

      "Watching a movie over 4G is not recommended as none of our data plans cover that amount of data."

  4. Re:US problem, not the iPhone by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (sarcasm)

    There is NOTHING wrong with the strategy! It will make us BILLIONS! You stinking customers just aren't responding to our offerings IN THE CORRECT WAY!

    Simply because we provide a bandwidth hungry digital communication platform, that basically embodies excess, wealth, and high standards of living-- then turn around and shamelessly state that you CAN watch streaming video over our BLAZING FAST network, does NOT IN ANY WAY imply that we actually WANT you little wage slaves to actually USE the devices in that fashion!

    Is it so hard for you to consume THE WAY WE WANT you to!? Really, we have a lot of money on the line here! Dont you care about the economy!?

    (/sarcasm)

  5. Cry me a river you fucking babies by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I run two small businesses, both in tech, not telecom, and I would shit myself with happiness if I made a 40 to 50 percent margin. I am content, competing, and making do with half that or less.
    Next you'll be crying because you eat steak every day. GTFO and STFU.

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    Silence is a state of mime.
  6. Fawlty Towers by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The company would be so much better if there weren't so many users!

    As a AT&T customer I'm accustomed to being at any event - from stadium games and music festivals, having 4 bars and not being able to use the network. I guess I can understand because you never know where a stadium will pop up and when people might go there.

    I remember Virgin Fest added capacity for Virgin Mobile, but everyone else was SOL.

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  7. Larger net on smaller gross by zarmanto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having complained bitterly about cellular prices for years myself, it actually pains me greatly to say this... but here's the thing: AT&T and Verizon are just applying standard economic principles; continue to raise prices until you can make the profit you want while expending the least amount of resources (money, time, effort, etc.). The side effect of this is obviously that many people who want lower prices will go to the less "greedy" carriers, like Sprint or T-Mobile, (which I will most likely be doing myself, not too long after the next iPhone becomes available) but the profit loss from those customers departing the greedy carriers offset by the profit increase from the remaining customers... and the greedy carriers' network performance improves in the process. Then, if their net numbers fall too much, they still have the option to dial the crazy back down a bit. (Not that I think they will necessarily... but they could. In theory.)

    It may be increasingly annoying to us consumers to have to deal with the ever-changing business models of these greedy-no-good-predatory-profiteering-duopolistic-carriers... but the unfortunate reality is: it really is "just business," and not greed, per se.

    (And yes... I almost pressed delete on this whole blasted message when I started to think about how much some Slashdotters are going to hate this point-of-view... but the heck with my Karma. Sometimes, ya just gotta say it like it is.)

  8. Re:You do not think large enough by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not a tower (microcell) in EVERY home, provided by the carrier... along with fiber to the home.

    And we could call it "WiFi"! That sounds catchy.