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50000BTU_barbecue writes "Usually sci-fi provides adventure with happy endings for everyone. But what story have you read that resonates years later because of some insight about human nature or society that's basically cynical or pessimistic? For me it's Fred Pohl's Jem, with its sharply divided resource-constrained future world driven by politics, and its conclusion that humans are just too destructive to handle contacting alien life, especially if humans have the technological upper hand. I'm wondering what other stories have stuck in people's minds. It can be a short story, a novel or an entire series of books."

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  1. Easy by virb67 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Childhood's End

    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I agree: Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" is utterly depressing. I was thinking about it when I read the summary and then was surprised that someone else thought about it as well.

      The story depicts mankind's end. No, it's not a new beginning. Our individuality makes us what we are. Humanity ends right there, in some sort of stupid dance. No other Clarke story I know is as dark and depressing. Mankind comes to this pathetic end, not even with some sort of bang, it just gets absorbed, overcome, assimilated.

      Stories ending in all out nuclear war or complete annihilation of Earth or mankind are not as depressing as this.

    2. Re:Easy by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Arthur C. Clakes Childhood's End, that wasn't depressing, certainly not up there with the most obvious example 1984"

      1984 is depressing just till you read Huxley' s Brave New World. And the fact that nobody has even mentioned it after well over 100 comments shows exactly why it's so depressing.

  2. What's the Most Depressing Sci-fi You've Ever Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1984

  3. Does Ayn Rand count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Though the most depressing part is the people who think she had good ideas.

    1. Re:Does Ayn Rand count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are two kinds of people who have read Ayn Rand... Those who understand her ideas and see them as value to society... and those who are too stupid to understand.

      There are two novels that can transform a bookish 14-year-kld’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish daydream that can lead to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood in which large chunks of the day are spent inventing ways to make real life more like a fantasy novel. The other is a book about orcs.

    2. Re:Does Ayn Rand count? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Informative

      I love this quote! But you really ought to attribute it to the correct source, which is John Rogers.

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    3. Re:Does Ayn Rand count? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Informative
      Oh... and while I'm at it, here's the actual quote:

      There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

      -- John Rogers.

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    4. Re:Does Ayn Rand count? by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is where to draw the line between my individual liberty and yours. My fist should experience all the freedom it wants, right up to the edge of your noses freedom to not be bloody. Sadly when people begin assuming that their freedom is a Gawd given right, and continue to take a little more, grab a little more, nudge a little more, we end up with a lot of people who honestly believe that they are entitled. suddenly your continued breathing is interfering with their freedom to use that space you're taking up. This is how wars large and small begin. If you think I'm exaggerating, I would only have to point at the near cratering of the global economy in 2008, and the next one which will be even larger if we don't start limiting the freedom of those who now control our economies. So with individual liberty, must also come personal responsibility, and social accountability. You/They are not the only sentient being(s) on the planet, taking freedom isn't an excuse for not playing well with others.

  4. inane subject here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Absolutely nothing good happens to anyone ever.

  5. Flowers for Algernon by danimalx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I win.

    1. Re:Flowers for Algernon by ChrisKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you make a distinction between depressing and sad? Make Room! Make Room! made me depressed about the future, but Flowers for Algernon made me cry; and yet I think they were two different things.

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  6. Stephen Donaldson - Thomas Covenant by Roarkk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you get when youo combine manic depression, schizophrenia, bigotry, and leprosy, then add in a little literal and figurative rape?

    In the end, a pretty good series, but more than anything else I"ve read the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant has the darkest, most depressing prose I've ever read.

  7. Where to start? by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's the famous Star Trek story "City on the Edge of Forever". The original script by Harlan Ellison is even darker, with people in the engineering section of the ship dealing drugs (which is how the doctor ends-up going nutty -- a bad trip).

    I just read a story last year in one of Gardner Dozois' Best of the Year anthologies. It involved humans boarding a generation ship that would travel to a new galaxy (50,000 years). The first 1000 years were not too bad but over time the humans became dumber-and-dumber, as they had no more challenging task then to scrub the floors/walls/ceiling and keep the ship clean. After 25,000 years they were walking on all fours & no longer bothering to wear clothes (or speak).

    At that point the generation ship was intercepted by a faster-than-light ship that "rescued" the simian-like human beings. I imagine they ended-up in a zoo. (If you have a chance I would recommend buying all of Dozois' annual anthologies. If you like Outer Limits' method of telling a different story each week, you'll like these books.)

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  8. On the Beach by bvdp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nevil Shute: On the Beach ... ordinary people doing ordinary things before they all die.

  9. Ender's Game by malraid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ending is just brutal, I just get the feeling of everyone hating themselves after pushing a boy to commit xenocide, even though they won the war.

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  10. The Road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Road

  11. A Canticle for Leibowitz by Yunzil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Synopsis: Humans are self-destructive, never learn from their mistakes, and are doomed to destroy themselves over and over again.

  12. Most Depressing Sci-Fi? by Mystiq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mass Effect 3. I was depressed for about a week after playing the original ending. (Hey, you never said it had to be good, just depressing.)

  13. Most Depressing? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Running MS DOS 3.3" by Van Wolverton.

    I had to re-read Peter Norton's massive, "Programmer's guide to the IBM PC & PS/2" two times after that, just to feel better.

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  14. Firefly by exabrial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After I heard they cancelled the series.

  15. or Brazil by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, I read 1984 when I was in junior high (which was in the early 90s), and it was a dark and frightening read. But it didn't really hit me that hard. Then as an adult a few years ago, I watched Terry Gilliam's Brazil for the first time, and it depressed the hell out of me.

    1984 is a story about an ultra-competent government that manages to run everything just the way it wants to and convince people to act and think how it wants. Brazil was a story about an amazingly incompetent government that so much fails at it's job as to take society down with it. Guess which one I find more relevant to the current state of affairs?

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  16. Earth Abides by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Low-key, and yet just deeply terrified me. Seemed pretty concrete and realistic. It's all downhill. Every hope is dashed.

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  17. Canticle for Leibowitz by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    God. What a drag.

    Hey! Ballard's stuff is bleak! I think someone mentioned James Blish, too. That guy's day job was working for the Tobacco Institute. No wonder...

    Then, there is the endless low-level of depression that permeates most Philip K Dick - like a miasma. But he makes you want more, somehow.

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  18. Brave New World by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Brave New World, Aldus Huxley. Perfectly horrible. Stranger in a Strange land was also pretty depressing.

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    1. Re:Brave New World by catchblue22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, Brave New World. Especially since Brave New World seems to reflect our current cultural situation in much of the west.

      I have heard Huxley's Brave New World compared and contrasted with Orwell's 1984. In 1984, the powers that be manipulate the public's opinions to believe that, in essence black is white and 2 + 2 = 5. In Huxley's Brave New World, the public simply doesn't care about the reality of the world. Most people are simply interested in what is in front of them, their desires, their fears, without any real concern about society as a whole. That sounds a lot like the current corporate state.

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    2. Re:Brave New World by catchblue22 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I may contribute an addendum, here is the quote to which I was referring, by Neil Postman in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death (pdf). It compares Orwell's 1984 to Huxley's Brave New World:

      What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us.

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    3. Re:Brave New World by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact I don't find BNW scary at all. It is a utopia. Most people are happy and well-adjusted, there is no crime, very little illness. When people emerge who don't fit and are intelligent, they simply get sent off to a community of other intelligent people so they don't upset the sheep. If you're a Bernard Marx, you'd really like to live in a world like that. The prize for not fitting in is to be sent to the equivalent of an Ivy League university. As Mustafa Mond points out to Helmholtz, Marx thinks he's being punished but in fact he is being rewarded. The rulers of BNW, in fact, are Platonic philosopher-kings, and they recognise that they must allow the gene pool to throw up exceptions because it is from those exceptional people that the rulers of the world will be drawn. They are altruistic, and the system is designed to ensure that they stay that way. It is only depressing if you believe that there are sky fairies who make rules for humankind.

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  19. Re:Most Depressing Sci-fi You've Ever Read by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope. We are living Brave New World much more than 1984.

  20. Re:Canticle for Leibowitz by drkim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So right about the Philip K Dick...

    Ubik, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Man in the High Castle, Three Stigmata were just horrifying - but wonderful.

    I think while it's fun to read his stuff, no one would actually want to live in his worlds...

  21. Re:Brave New World and a short story by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 5, Informative

    I believe it was called 2439 -- the premise being

    This, maybe? I still think of it whenever I hear mention of population growth predictions.

  22. The Forever War, Joe Haldeman by metrometro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War

    The middle section, in which the soldier returns home to find the planet he gave up his soul for is now a wretched cesspit of crime and misery that can't even remember his war, was omitted from the original publishing, because "Shit, man, we can't print that."

    It's depressing because it's a just a retelling of the author's experience fighting the Vietnam War.

  23. Re:Mission Earth by AaronW · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll second this. Anything by L. Ron Hubbard. Mine ended up in the recycling bin since I couldn't bring myself to give them to a used book store to put anyone else through that agony.

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  24. Re:Spoiler. by neyla · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, it turns out there should be a lot of orgies - it tends to turn out that way in Heinleins books, particularly the books he wrote as a older guy - in those books it turns out the world would be a better place if hot young women would have more orgies with old guys.

  25. Re:Canticle for Leibowitz by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I didn't find Liebowitz all that depressing. At least we're told that there are colonies in space where man still survives.

    How about On The Beach by Nevil Shute. Written at the height of the cold war, it starts at a point in time where everything in the world is dead or soon to be because of a nuclear war, except Australia, South Africa, and Southern South America. But that is only because the wind patterns haven't brought the fallout there yet. The story takes place in Australia and everyone is just waiting for the seasons to change when the weather patterns will bring the radiation south and kill everyone there too. It follows several people and through them looks at how people live knowing it is just a matter of time till everyone is dead. The author maintains that where they can, people just try to live normal lives because that is all their they can do without going into overload. Some do lose it becoming alcoholics and extreme risk takers, etc. Some are in complete denial. Some like an American sub commander, internally can't accept his family is dead and buys things for them for when he goes home. Rationally he knows they have to be dead, but can't help but deny it inside.

    The commander is in charge of a nuclear submarine that was docked in Australia at the time all the hostilities literally went ballistic. They go to Puget Sound because they hear intermitant transmissions from a short wave transmitter using morse code. While up there they determine radiatin levels aren't dropping. After someone goes ashore in air tanks they find the transmission was a broken window and a curtain brushing the sending unit. Power is on because the automatic systems haven't crashed yet.

    They go back to Melbourne and the government there starts handing out suicide pills so people don't have to endure radiation poisoning before finally dying. The book ends with all the characters including a young family with a baby born just before the war, killing themselves as the radiation in the area reaches leathal levels.

    I read the book once. It was incredibly well written. One of the best I ever read. I can't read it again. It is way too depressing. WAY too depressing. I tried once and before I even read a page I had a sort of reaction to it. I had to put it down. There was no way I could read it again. I've read Liebowitz a few times and will probably read it again some time. Not anywhere near the coefficient of depresivity that On The Beach puts out. FWIW I read it in the 70s as a teen, when you could still see B-52s routinely flying north from SAC bases in the U.S. on training runs and patrols. Back when 747s were still fairly rare you could still tell the B-52s apart by how damned high they were flying and the contrails. You could tell they had a massive number of engines by the contrails. Different time.

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