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The Internet Archive Starts Seeding Over a Million Torrents

An anonymous reader writes with news that The Internet Archive has started seeding about 1,400,000 torrents. In addition to over a million books, the Archive is seeding thousands and thousands of films, music tracks, and live concerts. John Gilmore of the EFF said, "The Archive is helping people to understand that BitTorrent isn't just for ephemeral or dodgy items that disappear from view in a short time. BitTorrent is a great way to get and share large files that are permanently available from libraries like the Internet Archive." Brewster Kahle, founder of the Archive, told TorrentFreak, "I hope this is greeted by the BitTorrent community, as we are loving what they have built and are very glad we can populate the BitTorrent universe with library and archive materials. There is a great opportunity for symbiosis between the Libraries and Archives world and the BitTorrent communities."

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  1. Next move by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    The *AAs start suing the Internet Archive.

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    1. Re:Next move by webmistressrachel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually it provides plausible denial for encrypted torrent traffic. Breaking the encryption for purposes other than download is being complicit. It puts and end to the Star I AA's case, finally!

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    2. Re:Next move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's that place you go when you've become powerless over your al...wait, what?

    3. Re:Next move by geogob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Assorted Assholes. aka. RIAA, MPAA, GEMA... list is long.

    4. Re:Next move by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Informative

      They're German, and AA mostly stands for "Association of America".
      (The G isn't for "German"; obviously if they had that in the name it'd be "D".)

      The "bunch of assholes" part is accurate however.

    5. Re:Next move by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "flooding the torrent channels"?

      That is so not how BitTorrent works.

    6. Re:Next move by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

      What is an AA?

      They provide a car breakdown/recovery service in the UK.

    7. Re:Next move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...flooding the torrent channels...

      That is so not how BitTorrent works.

      You are correct. RFC 5694 - Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Architecture: Definition, Taxonomies, Examples, and Applicability clearly states that "BitTorrent traffic MUST NOT: FLOOD the CHANNELS, CLOG the TUBES, or OVERLOAD the TRUCKS."

    8. Re:Next move by RaceProUK · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is an AA?

      It's a bit bigger than an AAA.

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    9. Re:Next move by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      It's short for MAFIAA.

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    10. Re:Next move by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "To no man shall be sold or denied natural justice."

      One of the core principles of the oldest written constitutional document in existence: Magna Carta.

      If you have to bankrupt yourself to fight a lawsuit then you're not doing it right.

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    11. Re:Next move by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 2

      Oh, come on! I heard that exact phrase used by one of the techies in an episode of 24

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  2. How about Freenet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could the Internet Archive ever validate Freenet in the same way? Show that it can be used for fault tolerant archiving of static data, and not just subversive/illegal speech?

    1. Re:How about Freenet? by MartinG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think they are trying to "validate" bittorrent. That's just a side effect of what they are doing. They are simply using one of the most efficient and cost effective ways of distributing data because it helps them, and possibly makes a better experience for the users.

      freenet offers anonymity but they don't really need that here. Bittorrent also offers fault tolerance, doesn't it?

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  3. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh, wait, you don't want to?

    Fine, I'll ask the Russians instead. They always have what I want, in the best format possible, for free.

    This is what enrages me the most today. Everyone is busy off complaining about piracy and bullshit, when they're not making their products readily available in a format I can actually use. I've lost count how many times I've walked into BestBuy holding a bundle of $20 bills only to be turned away because they don't stock something. The last time I went there it was for a Disney movie for the kids- only to be told point blank by the salesman who went into the back looking for the Bluray disk that Disney had stopped producing them (this was a year old movie- hell, we had it in theatres up until about 4 months ago) so that they could re-release it again in a special edition in a few months and charge full pop once more.

    I've gone into more music stores then I can remember looking for CDs of good music (none of this modern day auto-tuned bullshit or the crap where there's some white boy rapping through a telephone effect patch to hard-panned deep beats), and I almost never find what I'm looking for. Then I land up having to either buy the CD from Europe or direct from the band and waiting ~4 weeks for it to show up in the mail- and I've still got to go prod the Russians for a nice FLAC copy to listen to in the meantime.

    Hell, there's been TV series I would HAPPILY pay for to watch and enjoy with my family if I could actually get them on DVD or BR. But no, because of licensing-this-and-licensing-that, once again I'm being denied the ability to PAY FOR my entertainment by the VERY SAME people who sit around bitching and complaining about piracy all day long.

    About half a year ago I got a letter from my ISP basically complaining about the fact that I'd been downloading stuff and someone else was angry about it. It was funny at the time because had I been able to get what I was looking for locally- or even off the internet and mailed to me- I wouldn't have pirated the stuff. After searching the internet for a few hours and finding nothing, I turned to my usual set of trackers and had the thing downloaded in 2 hours. It still makes me chuckle to think that someone out there was peeved enough about me downloading their product to actually complain to my ISP about it, even though their product was made of unobtanium *anywhere*.

    If these people don't want to take my money when I'm literally holding it out to them, arms outstretched, begging them to take it- and all I get in response is a resounding "NO.", I have no sympathy for any of them. The fact that BT is still going stronger then ever today is awesome. Maybe one day the corporate fuckheads of the world will wake up and figure things out, and start taking my money in a sane manner so that both parties can benefit from the exchange.

    -AC (for obvious reasons)

    1. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Informative

      After searching the internet for a few hours and finding nothing, I turned to my usual set of trackers and had the thing downloaded in 2 hours. It still makes me chuckle to think that someone out there was peeved enough about me downloading their product to actually complain to my ISP about it, even though their product was made of unobtanium *anywhere*.

      Exactly. I download a ton of stuff over the internet, mostly older movies, TV series and documentaries in foreign languages, because it's just not available anywhere. It's illegal alright, but the legal risk to me, which is already very low, is made even lower by the fact that (1) the stuff I download isn't exactly prime-time material and (2) there really are no other sources for it, and that's a bloody good excuse I reckon.

      I just don't understand why copyright holders don't grok that people prefer clicking twice in the comfort of their living room to visiting a brick-and-mortar store, or scouring the internet in search of a legit copy of the stuff and finding nothing, or finding something and going through the typical online store shopping cart rigmarole, then waiting a week for the stuff to arrive.

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    2. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Informative

      If we are fortunate we have 80 years on this Earth. Grab a camera and go OUT THERE and write about what you see. Make a differencein your community. Write a book. But please, I beseech you, stop sitting watching pointless crap on TV.

      Why do you assume people who watch TV automatically watch pointless crap and waste their lives?

      Yes, 95% of TV is crap. But the remaining 5%, which I watch from time to time, makes me discover other parts of the world I'll never go to, explains scientific discoveries to me, teaches me history, tells me what's happening in the world, lets me practice other languages, exposes current issues in society, etc.

      The non-idiotic part of the idiot box can entertain you intelligently without taking very much of your time, if only because there isn't much of it in between ads, reality TV shows and the Olympics. Of course, if you don't dig these things, then TV certainly has the capability of making you very dumb indeed.

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    3. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      And maybe then you'll realise how much of your short life you wasted sitting in front of the TV.

      Says the guy who wastes hours of his short life in front of a computer monitor. Oh wait, no, he's only here 5 minutes a day folks, he's not like "the rest". Sounds like someone is suffering from "I'm a special princess" syndrome. Why do you think that you are significantly different from everyone else who posts here, princess? And no, you can't have a pony.

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    4. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish we had a law saying that you can obtain something for free if the copyright holders refuse to sell it to you. This would keep a lot of this horrible litigation from ever occurring.

    5. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by swell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intellectual property law is designed to protect the creator's right to control the property. It carries no obligation to make the property (or music or movie) available to others. It simply prevents others from doing so for the duration.

      Some copyright holders seem to believe that scarcity can be profitable. Thus Disney can bring out Snow White every 30 years and make a killing, whereas if it was always available the price would have deteriorated considerably. And somehow they are able to protect their copyrights forever...

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    6. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Intellectual property law is designed to protect the creator's right to control the property. It carries no obligation to make the property (or music or movie) available to others

      One could argue that the whole purpose of copyright is to benefit the society by stimulating the creation of new works that the society can then enjoy, but the part where the works exist but are denied to society under any terms kind of makes the copyright pointless, so the question is whether it should even apply to those cases.

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    7. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is a shining example of misapplication of copyright. When copyright was originally implemented, there was only one way to publish something: you printed it, bound it, and published it as a book (which people were then free to resell). It was never intended to allow the copyrighter to control *how* the work was distributed, because the question didn't arise.

      Now, copyright has the unfortunate side-effect that the copyrighter can control the form in which a work is published, where it's available, etc. This is actually fairly simple to remedy: allow anyone to publish the work, provided that they provide (say) 50% of revenue to the person who holds the copyright.

    8. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by fwarren · · Score: 2

      Groucho Marx sums it up best

      I find TV very educational. Everytime someone turns one on, I go in the other room and read a book.

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    9. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      So what you're saying is that 95% of TV gives the other 5% a bad name?

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    10. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      The nice thing about IP law is that it is just that... a law. You can change it to say anything you want.

      If we decide to put in a penalty for not making stuff available, we can do that.

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    11. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by WillDraven · · Score: 2

      Has anybody mathematically proven that the current copyright laws are detrimental to the sciences and useful arts? If we could do that maybe we could get some laws struck down as unconstitutional. (I know, I'm dreaming...)

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    12. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by niftydude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has anybody mathematically proven that the current copyright laws are detrimental to the sciences and useful arts? If we could do that maybe we could get some laws struck down as unconstitutional. (I know, I'm dreaming...)

      It's a nice idea: the problem is that the only maths our current crop of politicians understand is how to calculate how much money is being contributed to their re-election fund, and by whom...

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    13. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      High five to Parent! I'm also a creator, and happily post under my handle because I like a little recognition every now and again.

      What really bugs me is the fact that when I release stuff into the Public Domain these days I have to coat it with a generous helping of licenses that tell people they can basically do what they want with the content - in my opinion, this is a natural right, not something that can be taken with one litigious hand and grudgingly *sold* back with the other. This I believe distracts the consumer from the real message of the content: the aesthetic value of whatever medium the content happens to take. How do I make my money then, I hear some naysayers ask... simple really: I let my public domain work speak for itself and get paid through commissioned work (which, because I already have a brand. I don't mind transferring ownership of that work to the client because the idea is theirs, I just point the camera or hit the "record" button and capture their content for them. Art as a service).

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    14. Re:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Write a book. But please, I beseech you, stop sitting watching pointless crap on TV.

      How about I write a screenplay? Maybe I'll even take that screenplay and some actors, and make a TV show. Maybe someone will watch it, and understand the artistic message that inspired my show. Maybe it will give someone hope that this difficult time in their life isn't that bad. Maybe it will convince someone to finally get outside and exercise. My art could change the world, if not for that jackass who thinks it's just pointless crap.

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  4. Re:These Guys by jamstar7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plus, they tend to not have that annoying 'don't pirate this movie' warning and a 20 minute run of trailers for movies you don't intend to see and you can't break out to the main menu to actually, I dunno, watch the fucking movie you put in the player.

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  5. Re:Changing perceptions of BitTorrent...? by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

    Forgoiong a discussion on whether or not the "entertainment" in question actually promotes Progress or is useful, it does seem to say that after a certain period of time that "entertainment" will no longer be protected by an "exclusive Right." Certainly you don't have a problem with the Constitution, do you?

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  6. Re:And where does all this content come from? by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Movies used to be made and paid for on the basis that they'd be seen ONCE. Now the entertainment corporations want multiple kicks at the can. They want their first run theatre rights, which they've always had, PLUS DVD, Netflix, cable television, regular television and merchandizing revenue.

    You aren't being "realistic". You're not even a troll. You're an industry bum-kisser. Why don't you tell us all how much money "The Avengers" made, then try to tell us again how the industry is bleeding to death.

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  7. Torrents should be used for software updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A really good use for torrents would be software updates.

    If a big software company (say, Adobe or Microsoft) would seed their patch releases as torrents, it would instantly bring torrents into the general public mindshare as a legitimate downloading tool. More importantly for the companies involved, it would also save them vast amounts of bandwidth (especially for the bigger files).

    For a company like Adobe or MS, what's not to like about that? They don't even need to worry about the piracy danger, because with patches, anyone who can use it would already have the software installed.

    1. Re:Torrents should be used for software updates by agentgonzo · · Score: 2

      I'm not an expert on torrents, but I would imagine that the main reason is that they're telling the users to essentially get the update from an unvalidated source (other torrenters). I know that there are restrictions in how torrents work (verifying hashes of the downloaded chunks etc) but there is a possible attack vector in people poisoning the torrent feed and trying to push malicious packets to consumers.

      Secondly, the cost/bandwidth associated for the companies isn't a major factor. It may look a large sum of money to us laymen, but in the scope of the cost of the software development, the cost of distribution is tiny. Companies work based on risk. There is little risk associated with them serving all the updates via HTTP and a low cost. The risk associated with distributed via torrent is higher and so not worth it for Adobe/MS etc.

      A third point is user experience. At present, Bittorrent clients aren't incorporated into *all* browsers, meaning that less tech-savvy users won't be able to download the updates unless they install a BT client or the updater is written to download via BT. Then there is the fact that ISPs throttle BT heavily so downloads for end-users *can* be slow. Then there's the uploading - many people may be on bandwidth caps so it's not worth Adobe/MS risking problems by inadvertently blowing customer's broadband limits with their BT uploads.

      In short, whilst some companies (Blizzard I think, but a major game anyway) may distribute updates via BT, for a lot of companies it's just not worth the extra hassle and potential problems and it's just *easier* in pretty much every way for them to distribute via their own HTTP servers. Also, CDNs help save on bandwidth a LOT.

    2. Re:Torrents should be used for software updates by agentgonzo · · Score: 2

      I'm not trying to tell you how to set up BT correctly, I'm giving you reasons why companies *may* prefer just to serve the data via HTTP - easier and less hassle and risk for them to server via HTTP rather than BT. At some point it's going to be cheaper for them to pay for excess bandwidth than do investigations, trials, risk assessements etc.

    3. Re:Torrents should be used for software updates by progician · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK, man, but your argument has been countered successfully. The BT protocol works out of the box the way how validated downloads work: they send you a hash, and once you downloaded, it will check if the file produces the same hash as the source. Can the hash be faked? Sure, there are some ways to do that, but that is a problem with HTTP downloads as well. From a cost and technical point of view BT should be perfectly legitimate choice for a company to distribute their shit.

      The real deal here is the bad reputation of BT in the media. There's a whole crusade against file sharing and BT in particular, the technology is associated with criminals, hackerz, child pornography, necrophilia, and communism. Can you imagine the suits in the director board meeting taking the chances for such an association? They rather pay for bandwidth. As a side effect, our internet infrastructure is distorted with having terrible download/upload speed ratios and you have to pay a fortune just for getting a static ip with a decent upload speed. If central repository distribution is a business model that became supported by many parties, including ISPs, cloud service providers, social media and audio/video streaming.

    4. Re:Torrents should be used for software updates by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

      um... bad blocks aren't generally propagated; my client junks the bad block and rejects any further packets from the source, and looks elsewhere for a good version of that block. Hashes are good. Poisoned torrents usually start off like that and are initially seeded by people intent on poisoning the torrent pool from the off (ie null files or malware designed to fuck up your day, seeded by **AA agencies on farms to look like insanely popular movies/albums. I've seen this happen, those torrents don't live long).

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  8. Re:And where does all this content come from? by darkfeline · · Score: 2

    There's a couple of problems with this. First of all, no one's taking away profit. New movies are still being made since BitTorrent first came out and since movies were pirated (basically forever); obviously they're turning a very VERY healthy profit. Second of all, you don't need a big budget to make a good movie. In fact, I'd argue that a big budget gets in the way of making good movies, since priorities start getting seriously warped once large numbers come into play. Finally, the pirates can't "win". That doesn't even make sense since they don't even have a goal. I guess you could call them getting a copy of a movie/DRM-cracked media "winning", in which case it's pretty much guaranteed then; the pirates "win". They're not trying to drive content creators out of business; in fact, many "pirates" are perfectly willing to pay and in some cases have paid; they just prefer having a non-DRM/free format/unrestricted/digital/&c. copy.

  9. Re:And where does all this content come from? by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you know what happens with all of that money earned by litigation against piracy? It goes directly back into the pockets of the anti-piracy groups. That's right -- while the industry kicks and screams about those poor starving artists in court, they don't lift a finger to help them out with the money that should go to the artists.

    So don't go pointing your fingers at the pirates. Point your fingers at the people who license and manage the content. They're the ones controlling its distribution and taking a good big cut of the profits for themselves. What, you think the writers and actors behind Game of Thrones had any control over whether or not they could make their stuff available on hulu or netflix?

    Please, if you actually think that you need to pull your head out of the lala land the MAFIAA have created. It's not that people really aren't willing to pay -- it's that companies like HBO try their darnedest to give potential customers the worst treatment ever. Let's face it, would you go to the DMV and pay a fee, stand in line for hours, and then talk to a lady that's got an attitude OR would you rather click a few buttons and have your new registration appear right in front of you for free?

  10. Re:And where does all this content come from? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Duh - "The Avengers" lost money. Every film that Hollywood makes loses money. Especially the ones with the biggest box-office numbers.

    Didn't you know, the entire industry is funded by multi-billionaire philanthropists? The only reason they insist on you buying tickets is so they can count how many peoples lives they are enriching.

  11. Sends the wrong message.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's shocking that a once responsible organisation takes it upon itself to blur the distinct in the public mind of the role played by torrents in the distribution of files. Much effort and money has been expended to educate the public and their political representitive as to the true negative impact of this technology on the economic welfare of the managers of content creators.

    This wrong minded attempt to compete directly with current content with alternatives that are outside the control of the industry leaders shows the miss use of public moneys in an othrwise open market and I feel certain that come review of that funding influent will be brought to bear that will effect either that funding or the management structure.

    Other key words: feedom, open markets, children, economy, health, security

  12. Lots of good content in there... by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... for instance, here are audio recordings of Asimov's Foundation Trilogy:
    http://archive.org/details/IsaacAsimov-TheFoundationTrilogy

    _This_ is what the civilian Internet was intended for: spreading information and culture.

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    1. Re:Lots of good content in there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Guys, the best thing about archive.org is the FACT that the musicians there specifically authorized the archive to legally provide this music free of charge. This is live recordings. You know, promoting their art by offering live music for free, to interest you enought that you buy their studio releases, see their live shows, and request them on the radio (rarer and rarer, but there are still some stations supporting indie music).

  13. Hot lists by millette · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had trouble getting to the hotlist, I was finally able to reach the page and Coral too. Here are the 2 cached pages:
    http://bt1.archive.org.nyud.net/hotlist.php
    http://bt2.archive.org.nyud.net/hotlist.php

  14. Re:And where does all this content come from? by biodata · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the best content comes from passionate people making it because it is the thing they want to do most in life. This is true in the arts, music, science, sport, and most other areas of cultural production. Recessions tend to produce a cultural flowering, because people have more time on their hands, so more time to devote to their passions. We used to need huge business enterprises to do DISTRIBUTION, but we have that sorted now thank you. Having less big budget movies being made does not make me think our societies will become a cultural desert, although, as a movie fan and someone who works in the industry I can see how you would be worried. And by the way the pirates are entirely winning, and no, it isn't meaning no new movies. This is flawed thinking.

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  15. Not so easy... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

    I wish we had a law saying that you can obtain something for free if the copyright holders refuse to sell it to you. This would keep a lot of this horrible litigation from ever occurring.

    So instead of refusing to sell, they can just set the price for dealers/distributors to be absurdly high - it's still available for sale. Example: for extended periods, Disney could set the wholesale price of a licensed copy of a particular movie on DVD/BR to about $200million. Then, for a limited time, the wholesale price could drop to $20, so retailers can sell it for about $30 or so. Problem solved, and largely indistinguishable from the present, where Disney simply refuses to sell particular movies for extended periods to maintain their pricing power.

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  16. Re:And where does all this content come from? by rufty_tufty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Let's assume I pirate everything I can. Let's then count how many ways the media industry makes money off me.
    Let's say I go out on a date to the moves. *check*
    Perhaps I realise the cinema AV system is better than my home one, so for movies that are quite AV intensive I make sure I see them there *check*
    I listen to music on the radio *check*
    I still buy books because I prefer the dead tree format *check*
    Still go to the theatre
    Still go to concerts
    Still watch TV (with adverts)
    etc

    Even if I did pirate rampantly there is still a healthy income stream there, I see no reason why this would kill off the entertainment industry. Remember "Home taping is killing music"

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  17. The wrong business model by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    The content industry doesn't have the business model of making a sustained profit, they have the business model of making MORE AND MORE AND MORE MONEY! If the content industry was run by the supermarkets, your example would work. But it is not. It is run by people who make wallstreet bankers look wholesome and they want ever more cash from you.

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  18. Re:And where does all this content come from? by Card · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ever heard of Hollywood accounting?

    Hollywood accounting (also known as Hollywood bookkeeping) refers to the opaque accounting methods used by the film, video and television industry to budget and record profits for film projects. Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on the net profit.

    How it works

    An example is the Warner Bros. television series Babylon 5 created by J. Michael Straczynski. The series, which was profitable in each of its five seasons from 1993–1998, has garnered more than US$1 billion for Warner Bros., most recently US$500 million in DVD sales alone. But in the last profit statement given to Straczynski, Warner Bros. claimed the property was $80 million in debt. "Basically," says Straczynski, "by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits."

  19. Re:And where does all this content come from? by ledow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So your solution would be what? Following through your logic, we should all give them money if they've said they've had something pirated. We should pay for something that others didn't. Because without us doing that, we'd have no movies. A bit like those rich people who "fund" the ballet (which is also pretty profitable, I'd like to add)?

    Or maybe they should stop treating movies solely as a way to make themselves rich and actually, you know, make something people can enjoy watching. Let's ignore the fact that virtually no movie you've ever heard of has ever really made a loss (but according to LucasArts, Return of The Jedi still isn't profitable despite a 10x difference between sales and the cost of making it).

    The top 4 in my country, by sales, at the moment are:

    The Dark Knight Rises (which number Batman film?)
    Ice Age: Continental Drift (Ice Age 4?)
    The Amazing Spider-Man (which number Spiderman film?)
    Magic Mike (A dance-movie)

    Collectively, they've taken some hundreds of millions of pounds and cost much less to make. But it's shite like that that stops me going to the cinema. I never *used* to have problems finding something worth watching, but in the last 10 years I haven't seen anything at a cinema that was worth the entrance price for an adult.

    Every night I have the same dilemma of "finding something to watch" on TV. More than 50% of the time, I end up watching pre-recorded media that I purchased (most of it at least 10 years old, some of it virtually unobtainable now). The rest, I watch free-tripe-that-I-can-cope-with or do something else entirely. There is literally about a day's worth of new programming that I would watch spread over the entire year and hundreds of channels.

    I don't claim to be too cultured to watch some tripe now and then, but really I buy all my stuff on DVD **AFTER** having watched it (usually for free on TV or at a friend's house). There's just too much junk for me to wade through, and the profits that are made out of me make it the only viable way to purchase movies. I don't purchase music at all. Ever. Not once. Because I don't listen to it.

    But the industry's solution to this is not to improve their content, or change their target, or provide archive footage for a reasonable price, but to penalise *me* for other people being criminals.

    I have to wade through DVD adverts (and actually now have been forced to rip the DVD's I own onto drives with UOP's removed just to avoid that), I have to deal with the industry wanting to monitor my connections, cut me off, turning YouTube into a mess of adverts and DMCA notices because there's a five-second clip of their music on a home video, forcing their copy protection on my TV cables (HDCP), attempting to make timeshifting illegal, increasing the amount of junk legislation and bogus lawsuits and chasing criminals in Russia to stop their pirating, and millions of other knock-on effects. Hell, even making some countries citizens pay tax on a blank disc.

    If you want my custom, respect me. Put your archives online, for a reasonable price in a reasonable format. If I can get the "genuine" download for £1 compared to some rip-off for free, I *will* go for the genuine download. So long as I don't have to install DRM, Silverlight, or some other junk just to play a video file. And, no, I wouldn't copy it and give it to my friends - my friends aren't cheapskates and would buy their own copy for £1 too. Let me download the movie the same day its released, wherever I happen to be. Let me get it on DVD and not just Blu-Ray. Let me not have region restrictions, UOP's and ten minutes of trailers.

    Then you might see some money back from me. At the moment you get minimal money because you treat me like an idiot and/or a criminal, so I don't resort to piracy, I just stop consuming your products (in the same way, if a restaurant piss me off, I don't steal their food, or con an advantage on their "all-you-can-eat" deals, I just never eat there eve

  20. Cue the DMCA takedown notices in... by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...5... 4... 3... 2...

    I kid. I've used IA a lot. Their movie archive is awesome, I've discovered some real gems on there, and even managed to make a living making and selling compilations (yes, you can actually do that legally with the material on there, and a lot of other people do!)

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    Operation Guillotine is in effect.
  21. Intellectual property tax by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If copyrights are property, why aren't they taxed like property? Each owner of copyright in a work published more than x years ago would need to declare a self-assessed value of the copyright and pay a tax every few years based on a percentage of that value. Anyone else could put the work into the public domain by paying the copyright's full value to a government agency, which would perform a Fifth Amendment taking of the work's copyright.