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US Is Finally Cleaning Up Agent Orange In Vietnam
derekmead writes "It only took 40 years. And yes, Washington still disputes Hanoi's claim that up to 4 million Vietnamese suffered contact with the defoliant, which was dumped en masse in a U.S. air campaign to scorch away the dense jungle cover under which guerilla fighters hid. But the AP reports that the U.S. is finally set to start cleaning up the mess. The numbers are staggering: Between 1962 and 1971, the U.S. military sprayed some 20 million gallons of Agent Orange and a galaxy of other herbicides on nearly a quarter of former South Vietnam. The defoliant ate through about 5 millions acres – a tract comparable in size to Massachusetts – of forest. An additional half-million acres of crops were decimated."
I would think that the clean up was a pre-requisite to the large resort chains going in and buying up the beach front...I hear it's beautiful there.
About 82 cubic feet, if you include storage on the roof. Though how they managed to send it back in time is still an open question. Or perhaps they meant a Galaxie.
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But what about our fathers who also had this shit sprayed on them and told to fuck off and die of cancer?
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The US barely helps allies it bombed.
Unless Laos got a gift card I'm unaware of?
Congratulations, in your haste to be OUTRAGED, you missed the fact that the GP was just making a (lame) joke about the definition of the word "decimated".
My guess would be that Monsanto and Dow now have an Agent Orange clean-up chemical to sell and have been lobbying for this to boost their profits.
So you plan to build the next mars rover? How about just the road to get to the place where the next mars rover will be built? Let us give private citizens and companies the power to do all of that and see how far they want to go spending their money. Quit thinking like a child and realize that there is a reason you are taxed, and its a good one.
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Still our enemy "technically?" Relations with Vietnam were normalized years ago. We have an embassy there. We have trade agreements with them. I mean, yes, if you consider them to be gooks, then I guess you need to consider them our enemy but that's an individual thing.
Really, who gives a shit if we supply some technical support to cleaning up crap that we sprayed. Regardless of what you think of the war and the VC, it was a pretty fucking lame thing to do. Kind of like the military equivalent of peeing on someone. Poisoning their ground and water. Ill-conceived nonsense like that should be handled properly; god help us if we take the high ground for once. Oh noes...we're showing weakness...we're not a super-power anymore, we're a bunch of weak kneed socialists. Short-sighted is short-sighted. In that part of the world, it's just as valuable having friends and influence now as it was when we did it by fighting in the jungles.
Not sure if you're aware, but wars are not contests in being selfless and giving towards your opposite. Generally the point is to win.
Yup. But the point was, this was an unnecessary war that was mostly being conducted because Lyndon Johnson couldn't figure out a way to withdraw that wouldn't result in people blaming him. And, like most wars, those who suffered were mostly civilians.
Sometimes I think that no country should be allowed to go to war, if it hasn't has a war on its own soil in the last fifty years. We (the USA, or rather the former Confedracy) last had a war on our soil in 1865 (if you don't count a few skirmishes in WW2), so we can't identify with the horror.
Ya, you shit the world, kill millions of humans, ruin their countries and let them deal with it....
Typical American.
You do realize Vietnam was a French colony, right?
Define "won". And then try explaining it to a Vietnamese civilian who went through that war.
So you plan to build the next mars rover?
Not by myself, no. But if even people want one built then they should use their own money to built one. If not enough people want to build one, then one will not get built.
How about just the road to get to the place where the next mars rover will be built? Let us give private citizens and companies the power to do all of that and see how far they want to go spending their money.
People can spend their money on what ever they like. They should not have it forcibly removed from them so it can be spent on something that *someone else* likes.
Quit thinking like a child and realize that there is a reason you are taxed, and its a good one.
The end is not the important part here, the means is. And the end does not justify the means. Compuslory wealth redistribution is nothing short of corrupt.
Interesting that US WMDs are still poisoning a country half a world away, whilst US forces are in another country, nearly half a world away (other direction) on a hunt for bogus WMDs.
If I were cynical, I'd call that hypocritical.
Look at US politics. US logic: Buying friends works all the time here, so why not internationally?
They won in the sense that they kept fighting until the US decided to pull out. It's not like they were marching on Washington DC. Your reasoning would only make sense in a symmetric war.
The fact that they're de-toxing the soil 40 years later tells me there's a difference. Simple slash-and-burn at least allows regrowth if the farmers go away.
Pretty much this but not sure it its in the sense you meant it... The US is buttering up Vietnam because of China and we Vietnam isn't really against being friends with eh US now it counters China's influence in the region it's also why they're working with Russia it's all about containing the influence of China and the negative impacts i might have in Vietnam
Fair point. Now I'm sad...
I was in Nam towards the end ('73) while in the Army, I was stationed at an abandoned
Air Force hospital (flush toilets, hot water, Hooch's) - a Mash unit at Tuy Hoa.
Apparently different companies "downsized" together into one. A conex that had
been some groups bagage had been sitting alone outside of our hospital since I'd been there.
Bored I poked through it one day. It was filled with stuff I couldn't explain then nor now. A lot
of atropine self injectors (they make lousy darts), cases of them and new rubber suits.
Imagine Dracula's cape with a hood, I wanted one for myself. It was made
entirely out of a thick soft rubber, with it and other items I found, one could be
completely covered and safe from nerve gas (my first impression).
I haven't heard of anything thing that could justify such an outfit, except agent orange.
If it were used in it's dispersion, Agent orange was seen as some nasty stuff
by those who used to own that conex.
Vietnam simply gets more attention due to the long-term effects of Agent Orange.
And in that respect it's not unlike a nuclear blast (or meltdown), right? The "long-term effects" makes those far more destructive to an ecology and economy than even the most severe conventional warfare. The Chernobyl disaster was more destructive than German bombs and artillery of World War II; at least a bombed-out building can be rebuilt, but Chernobyl was like a real estate version of "denial of service"... can't even rebuild when the entire environment is still lethal. And don't forget the long-term effects to however much of the human element of the ecology that was exposed to it. Agent orange was the chemical version of the nuclear option.
Hear, hear. Considering that the US's days as the uncontested military superpower are likely numbered (I'd give us a few more decades at most), it seems to me it makes good long-term strategic sense to start cultivating friendships and good will now, when our actions still matter. Especially considering the massive loss of global good will we've suffered in the last decade.
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Vietnam is opening up to foreign investors, and the United States is increasingly in competition against the Chinese in the influence game in South East Asia
While the Vietnamese communist government may want to get on the side of the US to counter the red China, most people of Vietnam just do not trust Uncle Sam
What took place in the village of My Lai and the Gulf of Tonkin incident have burned into the brains of many Vietnamese
BTW, the clean up of Agent Orange should not only be done in Vietnam, but also in Laos and Cambodia
Too many deaths, sufferings, and deformations had resulted from the Agent Orange - and Uncle Sam must be man enough to acknowledge what they had done, and to amend the damages that they had caused
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The losing side pays reparations if the winning side is capable of forcing them to. If the winning side is not capable of forcing them to, the losing side doesn't pay reparations.
The West couldn't even force Germany to pay all their reparations after World War I, and trying to force them was one of the things that helped start World War II.
And I don't think Iraq was made to pay any reparations to Kuwait after the Kuwaitis drove them out (with the help of a foreign power, same as Vietnam did). Nor has the Taliban paid reparations to the US over 9/11.
So, the next time Palestine bombs Israel, we just confiscate Palestine. And how do you steal the wealth of a country without invading it? Those intending to break the rules would shield their wealth.
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"No, it was not "very common"."
Not according to journals from my Grandfather, Lt. Col USMC, who served it all from WWII up to Korea/Vietnam.
That shit happened DAILY.
You're starting to sound pretty ignorant of history. THAT is foolish.
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The punishment for war is we war all over you. Why does it sound like a parent giving their child a spanking for hitting another kid while chanting "hitting never solved anything" between blows.
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