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Baskerville Is the Greatest Font, Statistically, Says Filmmaker Errol Morris

An anonymous reader writes "A survey of unsuspecting New York Times readers implicitly answered the question: Does a certain font make you agree or disagree more often than another font? It turns out Baskerville confers a 1.5% advantage towards agreement on a survey question, compared to an average of six fonts. They were asked to agree or disagree to a passage from physicist David Deutsch's book The Beginning of Infinity, and were found to have an optimistic, if Baskerville-favoring, outlook on life. David Dunning, a psychologist awarded a Nobel prize and, separately, an IgNobel prize (for the eponymous Dunning-Kruger Effect), called Baskerville 'the king of fonts.' Sadly, Comic Sans — notable for its appearance in the Higgs Boson announcement — seems to be the weakest font. And why did Lisa Randall, the Harvard physicist responsible for that Higgs announcement use Comic Sans? According to the article, 'Because I like it.'"

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  1. watch the "Helvtica" documentary... by acidfast7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Re:watch the "Helvtica" documentary... by acidfast7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recommend the whole "design triology" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Trilogy

      And for those with more time, to read the 3-volume set "Design Classics 001-999" ... http://uk.phaidon.com/store/design/phaidon-design-classics-9780714843995/

  2. Links by clinko · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Compensatory depletion by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And why did Lisa Randall, the Harvard physicist responsible for that Higgs announcement use Comic Sans? According to the article, 'Because I like it.'"

    Given the mostly fixed number of neurons available to any single individual, the talent for physics must have come from somewhere... obviously, the aesthetics circuits got the short end of the deal.

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    1. Re:Compensatory depletion by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I majored in physics in college, and spent a lot of time with physicists from world renowned Nobel prize winners to lowly undergraduates. I can testify that physicists, in addition to lacking any appreciation for visual aesthetics, also lack the ability to properly dress themselves, shave their faces, comb their hair, speak to an audience not of their peers, and most of all they have no understanding of proper hygiene. We used to have a lounge out of which at least half a dozen kids were living, toothbrushes and all. The stench still haunts me. I remember walking into the lavatory where 3-4 physics majors were taking a shower out of a sink.

      Oh, and lest you think I'm a-hatin', most of the above applies to me as well.

    2. Re:Compensatory depletion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Feynman being, of course, being an outlier.

    3. Re:Compensatory depletion by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Having met Lisa Randall at a conference down under I can say fortunately she not only showered that day but also looked quite hot. Mind you this was several years ago and I was single so admittedly so did Margaret Thatcher

    4. Re:Compensatory depletion by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      ...but also looked quite hot... ...and I was single so admittedly so did Margaret Thatcher

      Seek counselling.

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    5. Re:Compensatory depletion by gdr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Every time I ever get an email or printout using Comic Sans it's from a woman. I got a name sign for my cubical in Comic Sans and I had to print myself a new one because I don't work in a f***ing kindergarten.

    6. Re:Compensatory depletion by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Funny

      I majored in physics in college, and spent a lot of time with physicists from world renowned Nobel prize winners to lowly undergraduates. I can testify that physicists, in addition to lacking any appreciation for visual aesthetics, also lack the ability to properly dress themselves, shave their faces, comb their hair, speak to an audience not of their peers, and most of all they have no understanding of proper hygiene. We used to have a lounge out of which at least half a dozen kids were living, toothbrushes and all. The stench still haunts me. I remember walking into the lavatory where 3-4 physics majors were taking a shower out of a sink. Oh, and lest you think I'm a-hatin', most of the above applies to me as well.

      this is how I learn I'm a physics genius?

    7. Re:Compensatory depletion by Young+Master+Ploppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I find Comic Sans very hard to read. Times New Roman too. Can't understand how these fonts can be allowed to exist!

      I actually asked an OFSTED inspector why Comic Sans is always used in schools and nurseries - she said that it's one of the only commonly-available fonts that draws the lowercase letter "a" in the same way they teach children to draw it (no stalk on top)

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    8. Re:Compensatory depletion by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Have you read a paperback recently?

      The rules for readability are dependent on medium and resolution. Serifs behave differently with transmissive and reflective displays, for instance.

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  4. I read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    and Lisa Randall was not the responsible for the announcement.

    Lisa Randall, a Harvard physicist, kindly e-mailed Fabiola Gianotti on my behalf. Gianotti, the coordinator of the CERN program to find the Higgs boson, provided a compelling rationale for why she had used Comic Sans. When asked, she said, “Because I like it.”

    Lisa *asked* the responsible.

    Oh editors, I miss the times where at least you read the submitted articles. Now the anonymous guy can write whatever he wants in the summary and you'll publish it.

    1. Re:I read the article... by edsousa · · Score: 4, Funny

      and I should start to login before posting... Now that I think of, the submitter probably used Baskerville in his submission to fool the editors-

  5. 1.5% from a survey? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Where are the error bars?

    1. Re:1.5% from a survey? by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2

      A statistic where they measured out of 6 fonts which one made you *agree* to something the most.

      ==> Article Title: "The Greatest Font"

    2. Re:1.5% from a survey? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      They don't seem to represent the sampling uncertainty graphically as error bars, but if you scroll down to the paragraph that starts with "Are the results the product of chance?", they do a basic statistical analysis, and find that Baskerville performs better than average with p < 0.01 (and still p < 0.05, if you do a Bonferroni correction).

  6. Further studies? by Greenspark · · Score: 2

    I think that an interesting follow-up study would compare subject matter and typeface pairing. That is, I believe that an article in physics is more likely to be taken seriously if it is set in a typeface (not a font, btw) like Baskerville than in comic sans. But what if you're subject matter is meant to be humorous? I suspect that people find it funnier if it is written in the comic sans than if it is written in Baskerville. Also, what typeface are people accustomed to reading such material in? Experience may play a large factor.

    Anyway, it’s an interesting result, all the same. I'm sure the marketers will be thrilled to discover that they could grab another 1.5% if they'd just use the proper type.

  7. Mistake in the summary by fondacio · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary misstates the person responsible for using Comic Sans in the Higgs boson announcement. The full quote:

    Lisa Randall, a Harvard physicist, kindly e-mailed Fabiola Gianotti on my behalf. Gianotti, the coordinator of the CERN program to find the Higgs boson, provided a compelling rationale for why she had used Comic Sans. When asked, she said, “Because I like it.”

    I was already wondering why a Harvard physicist would be making the announcement of a discovery by CERN.

    1. Re:Mistake in the summary by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      CERN is in Europe, but almost any high-energy physicist worth a damn has rotated through there or one of the previous colliders. High energy physics is necessarily international, due to the costs and politics involved.

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  8. Very interesting. by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time to update my resume.

    1. Re:Very interesting. by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Is the problem that your resume isn't in Baskerville or that it is in Comic Sans?

      Sadly, those may not be mutually exclusive options.

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    2. Re:Very interesting. by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      Take your resume lessons from this guy.
      Read bottom up.

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    3. Re:Very interesting. by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      Note that Carl's signature is in color.

  9. Computer modern by Vintermann · · Score: 2

    This is probably a result of an occupational hazard, but I know very well that I pay more attention to text typeset in Computer Modern. Even though it is the default font in LaTeX, to that what Times New Roman is to Word.

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    1. Re:Computer modern by mark-t · · Score: 2

      I recall reading somewhere that Knuth considered his computer modern typeface to be "ugly", but yet I find that cmr is quite consistently a favorite among people who work with scientific or technical documents.

      Was Knuth being needlessly modest, or did the industry that was most likely to be using software like TeX simply get so accustomed to seeing it that it started to look attractive to them?

    2. Re:Computer modern by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Informative

      The reason for Computer Modern's ugliness isn't apparent until you know what it's imitating. This is a comparison of CM and Bodoni 12, a font from the early 19th century. So-called "Modern" typefaces were frequently used for setting professional and mathematical treatises (and Slashdot's had an article in the past about how being difficult to read slows down the reader and gives them time to absorb the material.)

      Essentially, the problem with CM is that it has straight flat parts on the sides of curves (e.g. the bowls of d and b), which make the font feel synthetic, like Chicago. The rigidity of the figures makes the letters feel as though they were assembled out of parts (which they were), rather than organically drawn.

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  10. Dunning doesn't have a Nobel Prize by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm really fond of the Dunning-Kruger effect to the point where I mention it almost daily and people get annoyed with me. So I was really surprised to hear the claim in summary that Dunning had a Nobel. What would it be in? The last time a psychologist got a Nobel it was for work related to economics. Sure, enough 10 seconds of fact checking, verified that he's not on any list of Nobel Laureates, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates or the official lists at Nobelprize.org. The claim about Dunning getting a Nobel isn't in TFA so I'm not sure where it came from.

    1. Re:Dunning doesn't have a Nobel Prize by badfish99 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm really fond of the Dunning-Kruger effect to the point where I mention it almost daily

      So: would you say that you have an expert level of skill and knowledge on this particular topic?

    2. Re:Dunning doesn't have a Nobel Prize by ewld · · Score: 2

      He won an Ig-Nobel prize, but not a Nobel AFAIK. It mentions neither in TFA.

      Indeed, he won the Ig Nobel together with Kruger in 2000, but the Ig Nobels are clearly different from the Nobel prizes:

      The Ig Nobel Prizes honor achievements that first make people laugh, and then make them think. The prizes are intended to celebrate the unusual, honor the imaginative — and spur people's interest in science, medicine, and technology.

  11. Testing... by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Funny

    You should send 10M€ to my bank account.

  12. Its really depressing by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Its really depressing that with all the new fonts, studies of perception, cognition, etc, the greatest font is one that was designed in 1757.

  13. Re:OMG Flamebait - Flame on! by Defenestrar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dyslexia

    While not the best, it's decent and by far the most widely available (of the fonts dyslexics find easier to read).

  14. Re:LOL! by Sentrion · · Score: 2

    More readable? yes. Agreeable? Apparently not. Save Calibri and Arial for the technical manual but make sure your marketing literature is covered in Baskerville. Maybe since the text is not quite as readable perhaps it slows the reader down to a point where the text seems to be visually "spoken" at a slower pace. People who talk intelligently but at a slightly slower pace tend to draw in their audience and they don't come across as suspicious fast-talkers. Maybe that's the effect that Baskerville is having on the reader. That and Baskerville is most commonly associated with the CANADA wordmark, and what could possibly be more polite, friendly, and agreeable than Canada?

  15. Re:Comic sans is likely the most divisive font by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damnit! I knew Obama shouldn't have written the Affordable Care Act in Comic Sans!

  16. Helvetica FTW by Reasonable+Facsimile · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Yo, Baskerville, I'm really happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but I just got to say Helvetica is one of the best fonts of all time."

  17. Cultural Differences ? by eulernet · · Score: 2

    I'm a french guy, and I never saw the Baskerville font used in France.

    I'm pretty sure that this font has a cultural connotation for english people, but not for the rest of the world.

    When one reads a text in Baskerville, one probably unconsciously associates it with ancient books, and with ancient wisdom.

    An interesting experience would be to write a "modern" question (using recent words) with Baskerville, and measure its impact.

  18. Re:Comic sans is likely the most divisive font by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    Damnit! I knew Congress shouldn't have written the Affordable Care Act in Comic Sans!

    Fixed that for 'ya. I know you're trying to be funny, but you can be factual at the same time.

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  19. Garamond by khendron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the Typography course I took, we were taught that the greatest font of all time is Garamond.

    It wasn't even tested in this article.

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    1. Re:Garamond by OutLawSuit · · Score: 2

      I guess that's why Wikipedia uses it on their logo.

  20. The Geek Heirarchy by oneiros27 · · Score: 3

    No, not that one. Or this one.

    When I started at a NASA center, working with a bunch of physicists for the most part, I found I was being sent to an AAS (American Astronomical Society) meeting. I don't remember exactly what my boss said that was disparaging about astronomers, but I do remember he said something to the effect, 'but at least they're not mathmeticians, as they generally bathe at least once a week'.

    So, just remember -- they might've been cleaning themselves out of the sink -- but at least they were cleaning themselves.

    (and well, during undergrad, I think I had a period of about 10-14 days when I don't think I went above ground ... at least not when the sun was out (and it was summer) ... the problem is, you can't tell just how ripe you've managed to get ... so engineers aren't always the best group, either).

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  21. Re:OMG Flamebait by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

    An odd trend I noticed while going through the public school system is that every science teacher I ever had used Comic Sans--including two professors in college. The plural of anecdote is not data, but somehow I'm not surprised that Lisa Randall, a physicist, likes Comic Sans.

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  22. Re:OMG Flamebait by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comic Sans is utterly despised by anybody who cares about fonts, but for everybody else it's just another option that they can choose if they feel like it. Lisa Randall is in the latter group, she's too busy discovering the secrets of the universe to care what font would win her the most esteem among people who give a shit about fonts.

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  23. Re:LOL! by ohsoot · · Score: 2

    The study only used 6 fonts. Calibri and arial were not studied, so they could turn out to be even more agreeable than baskerville.