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NASA Morpheus Lander Test Ends In Explosion

First time accepted submitter DishpanMan writes "For every success story from NASA like Curiosity, there is a failure story, like today's Morpheus project test flight at Kennedy Space Center. The project is trying to build a low cost Moon and Asteroid lander using clean fuels on a shoestring budget. While tethered flight test were successful, today's actual flight test ended in a crash and a ball of fire followed by a spectacular explosion. Initial feedback points to hardware failure, but the investigation is still ongoing."

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  1. All I can say is... by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Waaaw, nice video of the crash! And immediately the action in the first 10 seconds of it. Well done!

    Too bad for the money and work that went into it. But then again, this is what tests are for, this result helps progress forward as well.

    1. Re:All I can say is... by domulys · · Score: 3, Informative

      Make sure to stay tuned at least through 2:00, there's a nice fireworks display.

    2. Re:All I can say is... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if they did, the craft was untethered and they'd have no way to safely land it after killing the engine. So you'd wind up with a damaged vehicle, anyways, and there's a good chance that it would have exploded anyways. The craft only caught on fire after it crashed, not during the test firing itself, and the explosion was due to the fire reaching the fuel tanks.

      I really don't see how a kill switch would help them save money, and would probably just cost them more for useless expenditures.

    3. Re:All I can say is... by DishpanMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      And at 6:21 there is a second explosion. It's like 4th of July when the fuel and oxidizer tank reach their flash point!

    4. Re:All I can say is... by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ?

      You can put in a kill switch to the fuel pump to not pump more fuel into the rocket motor, and they no doubt have such devices installed. But the tanks are already full of all the fuel the vehicle will ever carry. And you can't put in a kill switch for the existence of the fuel. Once the thing is burning, any fuel remaining in the tanks is going to get out one way or another, regardless of any switches or valves.

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    5. Re:All I can say is... by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, this is what happens when you countdown 5...4...3...2...0! Things get confused.

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    6. Re:All I can say is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like 4th of July

      Unless you're in San Diego; there you'd get at most a few seconds between the explosions.

    7. Re:All I can say is... by poly_pusher · · Score: 3, Funny

      NASA totally shouldn't have rejected your application for employment, you could have saved us millions with your technological foresight...

    8. Re:All I can say is... by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      wrong, your gimbal would consider "down" to be the opposite direction of acceleration, rocket engines applying many times that of gravity. could put a gimbal mounted gyroscope to overcome that problem, but then you'd only be making a bigger explosion when the rocket hit the ground by stopping fuel usage.

    9. Re:All I can say is... by z0idberg · · Score: 4, Funny

      >>>And you can't put in a kill switch for the existence of the fuel.

      brb.
      filing patent.

  2. I aim for the stars by gelfling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sometimes I hit the parking lot.

  3. Obviously it wasn't the One by Narrowband · · Score: 4, Funny

    But then, they can name the next lander "Neo" and see if they get better results...

    1. Re:Obviously it wasn't the One by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Funny

      That means that their second and third attempts will be absolutely #$(*#& horrible.

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    2. Re:Obviously it wasn't the One by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look, you have to take risks, if you are going to advance the sum of our shared, human experience and understanding.

      Sometimes, you have spectacular and awe inspiring occurrences - that thrill as much as they inform.

      Other times, you just successfully land on Mars.

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    3. Re:Obviously it wasn't the One by aekafan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can I do a matrix-style, bulletime "whoosh" here?

    4. Re:Obviously it wasn't the One by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      But then, they can name the next lander "Neo" and see if they get better results...

      Actually, the next one is named "Michael Bay". They decided to go for realism in their naming schemes.

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  4. Not sure I would categorize this as a "Failure" by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A "Failure" means loss of the mission. This is an unsuccessful test and is part of the process to ensure the hardware will work with a high degree of confidence so that the mission won't "fail" in its actual landing on the moon.

    Something to learn from and move forwards on.

    myke

    1. Re:Not sure I would categorize this as a "Failure" by Len · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well I'm not sure, but my guess is that several of the test objectives did not get checked off.

    2. Re:Not sure I would categorize this as a "Failure" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The video was very nostalgic. Reminded me of early NASA - things blew up all the time.

      All you whiners are just jealous. You're just upset because you don't get paid to build things and blow them up.

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  5. Last message sent by the onboard computer: by meglon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "This is the Captain. There's a little problem with our entry sequence; we may experience slight turbulence and then explode."

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  6. Screwed-up countdown a bad omen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "5...4...3...2...0" BOOM!

  7. Failure is the norm by pubwvj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "For every success story from NASA like Curiosity, there is a failure story"

    Yes, and if you never try you'll never fail. Bravo for you.

    Those of us who explore and push the boundaries do have failures, learn (if we live) and try again. Failure is the norm. Success is the wonderful exception.

  8. Who knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't know something so small could be *that* on fire.

  9. That was almost comical by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks as though the thrust was really unbalanced; it just sort of wobbled in the air before keeling over. I shouldn't have laughed... but I did.

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  10. The real test was a success. by gooman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Congratulations everyone!
    We have discovered a folding chair that will hold up while watching failed test flights.
    Order a hundred and we can sell tickets for the next launch.

    Next test: Goggles for the enjoying the view at the 2:00 and 6:20 mark.

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  11. Wait, what? by glwtta · · Score: 5, Informative

    An unsuccessful test isn't "failure", it's "data".

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  12. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would anyone want to approach a burning spacecraft? Let the fuel burn out, then extinguish the flames of what's left for disposal.

  13. Crash, ball of fire, *spectacular* explosion ... by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for the "failure" part.

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  14. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fire-fighters show up at 8:30 after crash. Is 8 minutes good for response time? It does seem awfully slow, especially considering that they had to have been on standby just in case of something like this happening.

    Then another 7 minutes to put it out. Very stubborn fire.

    Bob, I'm going to go ahead and ask you to move our helium tanks a little further away. And don't forget that laptop on the chair. That would be terrific, OK?

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  15. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well if they'd shown up immediately, then after 2:00 the second team would have been scraping firefighter parts off the scenery. And so, after 6:21, would the third team.

    There's just no way to get a burning rocket fuel tank under control. Also no point; the craft is a loss anyway, and there's nothing else close enough to be in danger.

  16. Re:Compromises by EmperorArthur · · Score: 3, Informative

    Three words.
    Mars Semi Direct. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WppRQQld10&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=SP48ECECA63832ACC7
    This is the first step to creating a return vehicle that can fuel itself from some stored Hydrogen and the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere.

    Also, the ISS " produces – and dumps – enough methane waste gas each year to fill the Morpheus fuel tanks." http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/exploration/morpheus/morpheus_test_stennis.html

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  17. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by plover · · Score: 5, Informative

    And yet it took more than 8 minutes for the Fire truck to arrive at the rocket test site.

    I wonder how long it would take if they didn't expect this sort of thing...

    Rule one of firefighting: don't put anyone needlessly in harm's way. This was an unmanned test flight, with nobody in any imminent danger.

    After the initial crash, the craft still had fuel and oxidant tanks on board that hadn't yet blown up. You don't move the fire crews in until the hazardous materials are accounted for. The crews were quite obviously sitting in their fire rig at a safe distance, waiting for the signal from the range safety officer to tell them that the rest of the fuel was gone. That explosion at the 6:20 mark was the signal they were waiting for. At 8:00 the camera zooms in as they examine the wreckage for any potential surprises. At about 8:17 you could hear the diesel motor of one of the trucks as it approached the pad. At 8:40 you can hear the report from "10-1" (I assume that was the range safety officer) at gate 7 that he had advised the fire crew that there were four pressurized tanks, they believed two were gone, but there were potentially still two tanks with pressure, and that the fire crews had proceeded downrange anyway.

    The crews handled the situation exactly as they should have. They expected this sort of thing.

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  18. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Informative

    It wouldn't have taken quite so long if they had arrived from UP-WIND and knew how to AIM those foam-cannons they have strapped to their trucks. Seriously, it was like watching a 3 year old trying to hit the toilet bowl from the hallway!

  19. Hardware failure or just wind? by lomedhi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Judging by the smoke flow, there was a pretty stiff breeze, and the lander crashed in the direction of the wind. Presumably the lander is not designed for these conditions, since there is no wind on the Moon or an asteroid. Could it be that they simply chose a bad day or location for the test?

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  20. beer by caywen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would they need to lift that much beer on the moon??

    Drop a keg or two and it might fly.

  21. Re:"We have to expect this sort of thing"... by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rocket fuel generally sits very close to it's oxidizer on the craft, no point in trying to put it out early. There were probably fifty people on the island where that happened, all of whom were wearing safety goggles and behind a barrier of some sort at a safe distance. It's not like dousing the fire ten minutes earlier would have somehow avoided the forest fires in Colorado.

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  22. I hate to say this... by PseudoCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But that's one yummy helping of spectacular engineering fail. And this coming from a guy who saw his rocket execute an un-prescribed loop-da-loop right out of the launcher, so I know the bitter taste of test failure on tape first hand. Not the same amount of money was involved in my case, though. Looks like this control system was determined to diverge as soon the legs stopped making contact. Tether saved us from a few failures in my day, but based on the history looks like they had done enough tethered testing and were ready to go free. Feel sorry for the team who had to get data the hard way. Hope you had telemetry, because there's nothing left to diagnose or debug.

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