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Facebook Faces High-Level Staff Exodus

angry tapir writes "It has been troubled times for Facebook since the social network's IPO in May. There has been speculation that Facebook could suffer a talent drain in the wake of the IPO, and now the organization has lost four of its high-level managers the space of a week: Ethan Beard, director of platform partnerships; Kate Mitic, platform marketing director; Jonathan Matus, mobile platform marketing manager; and Ben Blumenfeld, design manager, have all resigned from the company."

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  1. Walking wounded... by wermske · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really don't give a damn about Facebook (the firm). The survivors of event triggered churn (following milestone events) can be painful for the remaining staff.

    Additionally this business phenomenon presents a new challenge for both inexperienced managers and leaders that have become intoxicated by constant build-grow success. Add in the additional inconvenience, ramp time, and dollar cost of finding and onboarding replacement staff, event related staff churn can have a damaging effect on the morale and productivity of the existing workforce (and impact their resumes).

    The walking wounded; however, can choose to affect the situation or be affected by it. The survivors and thrivers will confront this challenge and exploit the opportunity for what it is... a chance to learn and grow.

  2. And this is surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd bail too from a ship that just went over a cliff.

    1. Re:And this is surprising? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I especially want to bail out of the ship when the SEC is going to start sniffing around.

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    2. Re:And this is surprising? by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      In fact, it's a derailed ship which has been driven into a ditch, is now stuck in a nosedive, and is about to go over a cliff.

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  3. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That was the plan all along. Cash out and move on. It's a shallow company with no real long term potential. People are fickle, color me surprised.

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One last thing I just thought of. They may be contractually limited to short sell the shares while working for the company. So if they quit, they can make more money as the stock falls from a short sale.

      This. It's called being short against the box, and while it cannot be (easily) used to defer or reduce taxes, it's a perfectly legal hedge against long stock.

      The lockup period prevents you from selling the stock the day the company goes public. Company policy prevents you from going short. (I suppose you could argue that being short against the box is a market-neutral position, but your company's policy may prohibit you from doing so as a condition of employment).

      So you have a stock in which you want to preserve your IPO-day gains, but you can't sell it, and you can't go short against the box and still keep your job. If the stock's high enough (and with the $FB IPO, we could be talking "Fuck You Money" here), a valid strategy to preserve those gains is to quit your job, go short against the box for 3-6 months until the lockup expires, and liquidate both sides of the trade.

  4. Rats deserting a stinking ship... by EdIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've often heard the term, "where there is smoke there is fire".

    This makes me wonder if there was something strange going on with the IPO. A lot of pissed off people who lost a lot of money. One one hand I can't feel sorry for people that lost money since anybody with a brain could figure out Facebook was not worth that much. On the other hand, if there were any shenanigans, I don't think people at Facebook should get away with it.

    It is pretty strange to see that much high level "talent" leave. Suspicious is another word.

    1. Re:Rats deserting a stinking ship... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As long as you can make about 75K from someone else you can do quite well for yourself. Manage your money. That's the key to pretty much the entirety of being successful.

      My dad made 74k a year on a team of guys who all made 74k a year (this was about a decade ago). Some of them bought boats, some cottages, some had expensive wives etc. The ones who bought stuff with resale value (the cottages for example, or mutual funds and bonds) are all doing fine in retirement, they can afford holidays, etc. The ones who bought boats, and planes (and god help them, both), the ones who landed wives with expensive tastes in things that are worth nothing, they're struggling now.

      Working for someone else does have significant advantages, pension plans, fixed hours that sort of thing. When you work for yourself you can very easily slide into working 12 hours a day and not having vacation time, and still not making very much money. And if you get sick, your whole business can fall apart, and you might not have customers to go back to as they've found someone else.

      Ultimately, it's up to you to manage your money, if you can do that you can manage your business or you can manage your paycheque. Working for yourself is always better than a bad boss, and working for yourself *can* be better than a good boss, but not always.

  5. we all tried to do it by TheRealWheatley · · Score: 5, Funny

    they're just going over to g+, until they realize that none of their friends are following them and head back to facebook

  6. It won't kill FB by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The exodus of the 14 execs won't kill FB

    How many execs have left Yahoo ?

    Is Yahoo still around ?

    FB won't die until it runs out of cash. As long as it has cash left, it will go on, just like Yahoo

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    1. Re:It won't kill FB by zero.kalvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but Yahoo is not going to improve , unless something extraordinary happens Yahoo will die.

    2. Re:It won't kill FB by bhcompy · · Score: 5, Informative

      If AOL is still around and kicking today, it's pretty hard to believe that Yahoo will just up and die. It's important to note that Yahoo still has 10s of millions of active email users, the best fantasy sports platform on the internet, a pretty solid website in Flickr, and a bunch of other random shit. AOL has much less, yet somehow stays alive.

    3. Re:It won't kill FB by a0me · · Score: 5, Informative

      How much are MySpace and Digg worth now?

      Digg was bought a month ago for $500,000. To put things in perspective, back in 2008 it was valued at $200 Million.

    4. Re:It won't kill FB by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If AOL is still around and kicking today, it's pretty hard to believe that Yahoo will just up and die. It's important to note that Yahoo still has 10s of millions of active email users, the best fantasy sports platform on the internet, a pretty solid website in Flickr, and a bunch of other random shit. AOL has much less, yet somehow stays alive.

      Agreed. Compare, however, with FB who is essentially a one-trick pony. It's a pretty amazing trick, I'll grant you that, but still...

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    5. Re:It won't kill FB by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your analogy is flawed

      In a real life military scenario, an exodus of several general will create mass confusion and drastic drop of morale amongst the soldiers

      On the other hand, in the case of fb, even if 90% of the exec decide to leave, you think that will do anything to the fb users?

      Nope, zilth, nothing

      Them users will still use fb to tell the world when they go to toilet, what they ate for breakfast and what they did with their gf/bf the night before, like usual
       

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    6. Re:It won't kill FB by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And why do people call high level execs "talent" anyway?

    7. Re:It won't kill FB by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And why do people call high level execs "talent" anyway?

      Dear Sir,

      You have asked a pertinent question

      It's a social hierarchy thingy - When you're an exec of a company as famous as fb (or M$ or Google or Apple) ppl will automatically associate you with the successes of that company
       

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    8. Re:It won't kill FB by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Might not kill Facebook but it isn't going to help their stock. If I was foolish enough to have bought FB stock I'd be pretty panicky around now. Feels like rats leaving a sinking ship. It's feeling like one of those stocks that will eventually hit a $1 or less. All that's keeping the stock out of the toilet is they have income but it's not enough to justify the stock price. If the income drops sharply there's nothing to keep it out of a death spiral. I'm not talking about tomorrow but in five or so years if they don't improve there outlook it's going to look bleak. If Facebook looses it's position, which it's likely to as cool and trendy, it's user base will drop and so will it's income. If my retirement depended on Facebook stock I think I'd consider playing the lottery. It's just looking more and more like a tech bubble.

    9. Re:It won't kill FB by Heretic2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      $500K was only for a portion of the company, like the domain name. The patent portfolio was sold in the 8 figure range to someone else. Digg essentially got divvied up 3 different ways, and people only quote the smaller of the transactions... Anyway, it wasn't worth anywhere near 9 figures, but let's be honest: there's been an valuation bubble going on.

    10. Re:It won't kill FB by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Diaspora is the Linux desktop of social networking, except not actually useful or secure.

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    11. Re:It won't kill FB by flappinbooger · · Score: 5, Funny

      True - fb will see a big drop in their income if all their users stop showing up

      But that will almost never happen - due to the fact of the sheer number of users fb has gathered

      Once you achieved a critical mass, like what fb has gotten itself, it'll not be that easy to topple it --- Ask yourself if Microsoft going to close its door tomorrow, that Bill Gates is no longer on the helm, and Steve Ballmer still throwing chairs around

      This is true - all of my vague acquaintances and high school classmates who I didn't like then will always need a place to tell me what they're making for supper tonight and ... later ... tell me how it tasted and how much they love their spouse / kids / pet.

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    12. Re:It won't kill FB by edremy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Same reason they call porn actors/actresses "talent"

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  7. Who's Zuckerberg's alter ego? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 5, Funny

    Facebook's biggest problem as a young company is Zuckerberg has never had a corporate alter ego. The most prominent of the newer information companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google were started by partners such as Steve Jobs/Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates/Paul Allen, and Larry Page/Sergey Brin. Like a vanishing twin, one of the partners might eventually leave the company, but in their early histories, none of these companies was dominated by a single alpha-geek but by a Batman and Robin or Laurel and Hardy dynamic duo.

    1. Re:Who's Zuckerberg's alter ego? by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately for Microsoft, they lost both Professor X and Cyclops and have had to make due with Matter Eater Lad for the past decade.

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  8. Re:Do we really care? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 5, Informative
  9. Re:Do we really care? by suy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do we really care?

    What's this FaceBook thing anyway?

    Does it compile into native code or P-code?

    Fun fact: FaceBook uses HipHop, a tool they developed themselves to convert PHP code to C++, and then compile it to native code.

    And the craziest thing is that they compile everything into a single 1.5 GB binary:

    Because Facebook's entire code base is compiled down to a single binary executable, the company's deployment process is quite different from what you'd normally expect in a PHP environment. Rossi told me that the binary, which represents the entire Facebook application, is approximately 1.5GB in size. When Facebook updates its code and generates a new build, the new binary has to be pushed to all of the company's servers.

    So, yeah, FaceBook compiles to native code! :-)

  10. Of course. Lockup just ended. by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    Much employee-owned stock couldn't be sold until the first lockup period ended. Which it just did. So, given Facebook's declining stock price, it's time to cash out. Of course they're quitting. Facebook is profitable, but the stock is overpriced by an order of magnitude or so.

    Lockups are far shorter than they used to be. When I cashed out of Autodesk in the 1980s, insiders had a 2-year lockup on restricted stock. And you had to pay taxes when you exercised an option, even though you couldn't sell for another two years. That was before "deregulation", and kept insiders from cashing out before the company tanked. Now it's 90 to 277 days. This encourages hyping the stock, taking the money, and running.

  11. Re:When the avalanche has started by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can I just say "dear Mark; Class; you make Billy boy Gates look like a choir boy. Make sure you have some good lawyers".

    How the hell does he get away with that.

    It's an old, and fairly common, way of setting up the voting structure of media companies. By "old", I mean 100+ years. The theory, in the case of the newspaper companies where it started, is that the company needs "editorial freedom". You wouldn't want a newspaper to be told what news to print by its biggest shareholders, so a stock voting structure that leaves control of the paper in the hands of some people who are considered to be trustworthy is a good idea.

    In the context of tech companies, Google pioneered the use of the dual-class structure, as far as I know. It's possible Google wasn't really the first, but they were the first to make a big splash doing it. Part of Google's argument was that it was important that search results also have editorial freedom, that Google not be in a position to be forced by big shareholders to remove or bury search results that they don't like, or promote results they do like. Even more, Google argued that being beholden to shareholders was bad for fast-moving companies, because it forced them to focus on short-term profitability to the exclusion of all else. Google's founders wanted the freedom to ignore short-term profitability where they thought it was more important to focus on the long term, or even to focus on other issues entirely. So, for those reasons Larry Page, Sergey Brin and Eric Schmidt have a controlling interest in Google, able to collectively outvote the rest of the shareholders combined.

    In fact, they recently recognized that employee stock grants and some future desire to raise more capital by offering more stock on the public markets might at some point dilute their ownership, so they have announced a plan to do a two-for-one split, essentially, with all of the newly-created shares being non-voting. This third class of stock, which has no votes at all, will be used rather than the common one-vote-per-share stock for employee bonuses and possibly for additional public offerings. There are also some provisions in the agreement that require the founders to sell their 10-vote shares rather than others if they want to sell any stock (though the shares convert to one-vote shares when sold), in order to motivate them to retain their ownership stake if they want to retain their control. I don't know if the SEC has signed off on the plan or not, yet, but it's unlikely to be denied. Of course, the change had to pass a shareholder vote, but Larry, Sergey and Eric outvote the rest of the shareholders combined, so that was no problem.

    After Google did it, many other web-focused technology companies have adopted dual-class voting structures in their IPOs, and Facebook followed suit.

    So, no lawyers will be necessary. Or not for very long, anyway. The legality of this structure has been firmly established for many decades. The bottom line is that shareholders knew all of this when they decided to buy in, so the shareholders have already signed off on the structure.

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