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Motorola Releases an Official Bootloader Unlocker

New submitter Nertskull writes "Motorola has released a tool to allow anyone to unlock the bootloader on their phone/tablet. The only supported device so far is the Photon Q 4G LTE, though three other devices are supported through their developer unlock program. Support for unlocking other devices is supposedly on its way." Motorola leads into the unlocking process with this amusing tidbit: "WARNING: Motorola strongly recommends against unlocking the bootloader and/or modifying or altering a device's software or operating system. Doing so can have unintended, unforeseen, and dangerous consequences, such as rendering the device unusable, violating applicable laws, or causing property damage and/or bodily injury, including death." Careful, folks; unlocking that bootloader might kill you.

123 comments

  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see how you might overheat your phone cpu or battery, but I thought all that ever came from that was a burned crotch! Apple... >_>

    1. Re:Wow by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Adding a few words to a disclaimer and accepting a little mockery is a hell of a lot cheaper than the lawsuit when someone, somehow manages to kill themselves with a software change...

    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Someone could sue saying, my relative unlocked the bootloader, which broke the brand new phone, giving him or her a heart attack, and there was no way to call 911.

    3. Re:Wow by ErikPeterson · · Score: 2

      A disclaimer like this also gives a good deal of publicity to the announcement, almost begging an article like this to be posted.

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    4. Re:Wow by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      yup, last time I saw someone do an 'rm -rf' he lost one of his fingers. and once, a friend of a friend tried running fdisk and to this day, he still can't talk right.

      it can happen, folks! believe it.

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    5. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      actually this is real possibility, because of pressure for battery capacity and size manufacturers of most smartphones have to use some very unstable materials for battery ones that DID have exploding problems before.

      in order to stop batteries from overheating or exploding there are pretty sophisticated chips /controllers built-in controlling their allowed charge rate/charge current/allowed discharge percentage/discharge speed, if by unlocking boot-loader you are able to access/reprogram battery controller you could because of software error cause battery to overheat or explode so this disclaimer is more than valid as in
      "we put some mechanisms to protect you in this phone, should you remove it and hurt yourself somehow its your fault we are not paying a million bucks for damages to you or your family"

    6. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, the Yakuza take system administration very seriously.

    7. Re:Wow by flex941 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why so complicated and technical?

      Unlocking the bootloader can cause death, because the one doing the unlocking probably proceeds by rooting his device and putting god knows what on the device.

      Next thing you know, the guy is on the road exploiting the GPS functionality of said and unlocked/rooted device. But the GPS is now a bit flaky (just buggy software or intentionally misleading)
      and instead directing the guy to the real highway gives him a parallel side-road but displaying to correct one. The guy - feeling really good about everything and listening to the pathetic music
      coming off the car-radio - does not notice a thing.

      Next thing you know some guerilla guys stop his car, help him get rid of his earthly possessions and one the way to the heavenly roads. Nice and quick.

      So, unlocking your bootloader can kill you. And no explosion in your face needed for that to happen.

    8. Re:Wow by flonker · · Score: 1

      You've never seen fsck on a mounted file system, have you? Blood everywhere, Even on the ceiling. However, they never did find the bodies.

    9. Re:Wow by Miamicanes · · Score: 3

      The problem with that argument is that one might legitimately argue that if there's a safety issue that's mitigated through software, the need for modified firmware to do the same needs to be communicated. 99.9% of damage and hard-bricking is caused by either booby traps left by the manufacturer to trap the unwary, or important details like "always monitor the battery temperature, and back off if it exceeds N degrtees Celsuis" that aren't disclosed.

      I'm happy to see that Moto is finally starting to become non-Evil under the ownership of Google. I'm disappointed as hell by the fact that the Photon Q was totally gimped by Sprint and/or Motorola. This would be a great phone if it were in a blister pack at Wal Mart being sold for use with some value-priced prepay network. It's not, however, a top-tier best of breed flagship Android phone:

      * 540x960 qHD. WTF?!? 540x960? And not even OLED? The Q's display is a decisive step down from the Photon 4G. Note to Sprint & Moto: the next generation of any phone is supposed to AT LEAST as good as what it replaced, especially now that we're going to be stuck with the damn phone for almost two painfully long years thanks to last year's abolition of 12-month upgrades.

      * tiny battery that can't even be swapped when it dies halfway through Friday night. If they'd put a huge battery inside like the one in the Razr Max, it might have been tolerable. But 1785mAH? You can't be fucking serious. I'd literally burn through that in 3 hours.

      * Half the flash of its predecessor. WTF. Read the note above about how successor phones are supposed to be a step up, not down.

      * Nonremovable SIM. Yay, it can roam on GSM in other countries... except at $2.50/minute, nobody is going to actually DO it knowingly and voluntarily once they find out how badly Sprint is going to rape them for doing it. Overall, this is just kind of like Sprint turning around and giving us a final kick in the balls, just for good measure.

      It's been years since I've actually left the US, but the sealed-SIM anti-feature ALONE is enough to make me want to leave Sprint, because it demonstrates total and complete contempt towards us. I mean, really... once you factor in the administrative cost of roaming, and fighting with livid customers who just got a bill for $900 in roaming charges after spending 3 days in Montreal, how much extra is Sprint *really* going to make compared to what they would have not made by just giving it a normal SIM slot and charging a $35-50 one-time admin fee to unlock the SIM lock during the first year of a contract? Sprint could even offer an olive branch to deflect criticism and waive the fee if the customer puts down a $400 deposit that gets returned after the contract's 12th month (knowing that 99.9% of customers would just say 'fuck it' and pay the $35-50).

      It's a shame, because I love Motorola's build quality and superior radios. But the harsh fact is, I'm going to be stuck with my next phone for 20 long, painful months now that Sprint has taken away our annual upgrades, so my next phone has to be damn near flawless & one I'm sure I'll be able to live with. The Photon Q is not that phone. I can only pray to the flying spaghetti monster that 18 months from now, Sprint + Moto will be unleashing an unlocked Nexus device with specs to die for.

    10. Re:Wow by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I see how you might overheat your phone cpu or battery, but I thought all that ever came from that was a burned crotch! Apple... >_>

      Depends on what you do with the phone after it's been unlocked -- Personally, I'm glad they're not hiding it anymore, at least we know the risks: Run afoul of any powerful organisations today and you get disappeared.

    11. Re:Wow by Mousit · · Score: 3, Informative

      This disclaimer is not nearly as silly or crazy as one might think. CyanogenMod, for example, has well-documented problems with E911 functionality on various phone models. In fact they completely dropped support for the T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant because dialing 911 didn't work!

      I don't know about you, but I can sure see the inability to call 911 to be a "dangerous consequence" that could absolutely lead to "property damage and/or bodily injury, including death" even if it's not the phone itself that's literally the thing killing you.

    12. Re:Wow by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

      The answer is much simpler than some silly battery problem. Samuel L. Jackson is not a fan of unlocked bootloaders. In fact, he's mother@%$#ing tired of these ^%@#$ing unlocked bootloaders, and he's going to open up a very, very large cap of whupass on everyone who installs one.

      So...pretty comprehensive disclaimer. I used to stick a half page one at the end of most of my work, talking about incorrect line voltages and pirates.

    13. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bits don't kill people, people do.

    14. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they say TV doesn't influence us. 1 point for Hollywood.

    15. Re:Wow by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      But mutant ninja bootlockers are a bigger risk!

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    16. Re:Wow by flex941 · · Score: 1

      I actually got a good giggle out of your comment. In addition to those I had during writing my previous one.

      Thank you.

    17. Re:Wow by sjames · · Score: 1

      I have a fist full of LiIon 14500 batteries (approximately AA size and shape) each with a dead simple protection circuit on one end that provides current limiting and over-discharge protection. They can be bought for a few cents each in quantity 1 (so imagine what 10,000 would have as a unit price). It's just a tiny bit of analog electronics on a surface mount chip.

      There's no great magic to charge circuits either. Voltage limit to the cell's max, and current limit to the desired rate of charge (1C or so quite frequently).

      There's little excuse not to do that in a cellphone given that firmware can have bugs and phones can and do lock up.

    18. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, how lawyer-whipped are you?

    19. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they have a charge controller chip on the device that they're throttling to keep you from nuking a USB 1.x/2.x port with 1-1.5 amps full charge rate.

      The on-board firmware only has a limited amount of control.

      (By the way, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about...I've held down a job with one of the chip suppliers helping vendors get their Android releases out the door.)

    20. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea I know a guy that used the "wipe" command. His asshole hasn't been the same since.

    21. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to us 'rm -rf', but then I took an arrow to the knee...

  2. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unlocking your bootloader *can* kill you. Mind you, it also requires that after unlocking, you also root your device and send the CPU into overdrive, causing the Li-Ion battery to melt/explode. So it's not a proximate cause, but the potential is still there.

    1. Re:Actually... by arielCo · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't know how this gets rated Insightful and not Troll/Funny, but here goes:
      1. Unlocking the bootloader is not the same, does not require, or is a prerequisite for rooting a device. Just as in a PC, the bootloader controls what kernel gets loaded, mostly by checking a signature. Some bootloaders even allow dual booting.
      2. Unlocking the bootloader has nothing to do with overclocking ("CPU into overdrive")
      3. Overclocking, badly done, will mostly drain your battery very fast. The phone itself will overheat, possibly shortening the lifetime of the battery, but hardly anywhere near enough to make it burst/combust.

      You're welcome to provide well-researched counterexamples.

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    2. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unlocking the bootloader IS a prerequisite for rooting most devices, and is absolutely the preferred method. The only way around this is to use some sort of hack method.

      Absolutely true on the overclocking part, but it's something of a chain: to overclock you need to root, and to root you need to unlock the bootloader (usually, see above).

    3. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writing failure, meet reading failure.

      I read it as "... *can* kill. Mind you, it also requires ...", you read that as "Unlocking bootloader ... Mind you it also requires ..."

    4. Re:Actually... by arielCo · · Score: 1

      You're right; that would strike down the first observation. The main point stands: given that unlocking the BL does not imply overclocking and even that isn't that dangerous, the whole post is somewhat like "Going to Walmart can kill you. Ok, you have to go to the sports aisle and shoot yourself with a BB gun in the right spot". Back on topic, there are many reasons to unlock the BL (and rooting) other than squeezing MHz: some stock kernels lack features like advanced routing (for VPNs) and swap space. I for one was eager to see the latter in my aged Milestone (aka Droid).

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    5. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, going to Walmart can kill you too.

    6. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlocking the bootloader is not the same, does not require, or is a prerequisite for rooting a device.

      Yes, it is.

      Just as in a PC, the bootloader controls what kernel gets loaded, mostly by checking a signature. Some bootloaders even allow dual booting.

      This is not a PC, it is an Android mobile phone.

      Unlocking the bootloader has nothing to do with overclocking ("CPU into overdrive")

      Yes, it does. You cannot overclock the CPU unless the device is rooted and in order to root the device, the bootloader must be unlocked.

      Overclocking, badly done, will mostly drain your battery very fast. The phone itself will overheat, possibly shortening the lifetime of the battery, but hardly anywhere near enough to make it burst/combust.

      That totally depends on the brand, model and capacity of the battery.

      In short, you don't know what you are talking about.

    7. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) Unlocked bootloader is sufficient, but not neccessary for rooting. It's easiest way, but as "rooting" is basically "installing user accessible sudo", it can be achieved by other means, like security exploits.

      b) Android mobile phone is a general purpose computer with Android OS installed. With unlocked boot loader you can install a different OS (given it has drivers needed for your device) and it will cease to be "an Android mobile phone". My Android smartbook, for example, is currently running ARM Ubuntu.

      c) see (a)

      d) Might be. But batteries nowadays have controllers preventing them from charging/discharging too fast and they aren't generally accesible for tweaking.

    8. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A) What do you think those security exploits are doing? Instead of permanently unlocking the bootloader, it's just unlocking it every time you power up.

      B) An Android mobile phone is not a "PC". A PC is an x86 and none of those have locked bootloaders, yet.

      C) See A

      D) Not all batteries do and some run a higher risk of bubbling/warping which could lead to a leak, fire or explosion. Compare the stock, name brand battery that comes with most devices to the cheapo $10 Chinese made 3000mAh batteries that don't even have a thermal sensor.

    9. Re:Actually... by darthdavid · · Score: 1

      PC stands for personal computer. It has nothing to do with having a specific cpu architecture...

    10. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically that is what it stands for. In practice, PC = x86 computer.

  3. Right Step! Right Guys? by maweki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We've seen companies opening up in the past and often they started closing down again after time. Let us hope they stay open and even more, let us hope it works for them from a business perspective, so that other companies may follow.
    As long as the guys in the suits think they make more money by closing down, we still have a problem.

    1. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by bigjocker · · Score: 1

      Posting to undo wrong mod :( sorry

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    2. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only did Sony start the whole official support for unlocked bootloaders, they have been so good at contributing back to Android that they're now getting official AOSP support.

      http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/

      "I've added a git project for the Sony LT26, i.e. Xperia S. This seems like a good target: it's a powerful current GSM device, with an unlockable bootloader, from a manufacturer that has always been very friendly to AOSP" - JBQ

      https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!msg/android-building/zji_sQGN9Oo/MoaS0xidmRMJ

      It seems to work out just fine.

    3. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by TwineLogic · · Score: 1

      Augh! That's how to undo a wrong mod. Thanks for the example.

    4. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung does it better by not locking the bootloader in the first place.

    5. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1

      Yes, that was a useful example. Especially since I'm seeing mod points every other day. Sheesh!

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    6. Re:Right Step! Right Guys? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      Every other day? I used the last batch up this morning before I went out for coffee with a friend. Came back to 5 more this after noon already... in the last 2-3 weeks or so I have gotten mod point almost as fast as i use them up.

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  4. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WARNING: Motorola strongly recommends against unlocking the bootloader and/or modifying or altering a device's software or operating system. Doing so can have unintended, unforeseen, and dangerous consequences, such as rendering the device unusable, violating applicable laws, or causing property damage and/or bodily injury, including death.

    It almost sounds as though they're not entirely enthusiastic about the idea.

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    1. Re:Hmmmm by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      No, it just sound like they are covering their asses from law suits.

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    2. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet they still went ahead and did it, which is a hell of a lot more than any of their rivals have done. So what's your point?

    3. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably mean "than many of their rivals", because there's a plenty of unlocked/unlockable Android devices out there.

      Even Sony, not really known for their for openness, have released boot unlocker for Xperias.

  5. Now for iOS? by bhagwad · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    When is Apple following suit?

    1. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      when they start to become irrelevant.

    2. Re:Now for iOS? by Kurrel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Customization doesn't seem to be a terribly high priority for Apple software. Besides which, the unlocked bootloader allows one to easily violate the FCC terms, one of which forbids changing the "intended method of using the product (e.g., how the product is held or used in proximity to the body). A change to any of these factors will invalidate the FCC grant." So perhaps CM7 enabling a 270 degree screen rotation (upside-down landscape) is a gross federal violation.

    3. Re:Now for iOS? by oakgrove · · Score: 4, Informative

      The RAZR MAXX is actually a really nice popular phone with phenomenal battery life. I'd hardly call it's manufacturer irrelevant. Not only that but Motorola is owned by the developer of Android the smartphone OS with by far the largest install base. I'm not sure what you're mad about but your post comes off as sour grapes sounding.

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    4. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So perhaps CM7 enabling a 270 degree screen rotation (upside-down landscape) is a gross federal violation.

      Doubtful. Anyone could already hold the phone upside down against their ear if they choose to do so.

    5. Re:Now for iOS? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      Customization will be popular with iOS users when they are allowed to do it.

    6. Re:Now for iOS? by ToastedRhino · · Score: 1

      I think their practically non-existent smartphone market share and negative profit share makes them pretty irrelevant at the moment. As you pointed out, however, they're part of Google now so all of that may change in the future. They're gonna have to figure out what to do about Samsung, seemingly the only truly relevant Android OEM at the moment, first though.

    7. Re:Now for iOS? by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      There's more to relevance than market share and Motorola has the fourth largest at 12 percent anyway which Is about half of what Samsung enjoys so again, I'm perceiving some sour grapes in the comments here.

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    8. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't popular. Have you ever seen one? I haven' seen one yet. I refuse to buy Motorola anymore. They have an anti modding attitude. They phones aren't well supported in the developer community. The vast majority of android phones that I see these days are Samsung. Samsung won. Samsung has twice the market share of Apple. Google bought Motorola for the patents to protect Android phones in general. I'm not gonna list all the other reasons Motorola are behind or globally irrelevant. Google might fix Motorola. I will consider a Motorola phone when they make a good phone that I want, for the network that I want, with support and attitude that I want.

    9. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it won't. People who like to customize wouldn't have bought an iOS device to begin with. Apple users clearly don't like choices. If they valued choices, they wouldn't buy Apple products.

    10. Re:Now for iOS? by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen one?

      It wouldn't matter if I've seen 500 of them or if I've seen not a single one. That's pure anecdote and proves nothing. The fact that it is believed by some to have outsold the iPhone is a much stronger testament to its popularity and relevance. Also note it's current number one status on Amazon which is a huge smartphone sales channel.

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    11. Re:Now for iOS? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Funny

      > When is Apple following suit?

      You didn't get the memo? iPhone 5w. "w", as in "Woz Edition".

      Rumored features include

        * Zigbee wireless mesh networking

        * multiplexed pins on the headphone jack that can be repurposed for I2C, SPI, or GPIO (not at the same time, obviously). Oh, and legacy UART (3.3v logic) that also supports Atmel-friendly baudrates (125kbit, 250kbit, 1mbit), 9-bit word length (9/N/1, to be exact), and can use pin #3 for GPIO, RTS, CTS, or synchronous clocking in or out.

        * fixed 4800mAH lithium cell

        * gamepad wings that slide out from the underside (to the left and right when held in landscape orientation). One side has an analog stick & digital stick, the other side has an analog stick & 4 buttons.

      * Volume button pair that also serves as the "left trigger button" in "gamepad" orientation, and 2-stage camera button that serves as the "right trigger button" in gamepad orientation. All of which can be intercepted, redefined, and repurposed by end users as they see fit.

      The iPhone 5w's flagship applications will be a logic analyzer/DSO, which demonstrates the use of the bundled iProbe (4 clip-on leads, terminating at a 1/8" TRRRS headphone jack). Additional accessories will allow connectivity to most car ECUs, CANbus, and JTAG.

      Oh, and the phone will also include a fully-unlocked bootloader. Of course, not even Woz will likely be able to get the Powers that Be at Apple to release the source to their crown jewel, but it won't matter. People will buy one, and reflash it to Android. Even Larry & Sergey will be spotted in public with it (running Android, of course).

    12. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget the fact that the FCC didn't revoke the iPhone 4's certification, even after its purchasers were officially instructed to "hold different"

    13. Re:Now for iOS? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      The problem with moto, is that its been joined at the hip with version for most of Android's existence. So while the razor maxx is nice, the Atrix HD on att sucks eggs in comparison with the maxx's battery life. The Atrix I was great, Atrix II was a minor update and not a top rate phone. They need to take a hint from Samsung and actually release the same phone on all carriers at the same time. Make them fast, give them good screens, and make them hackable. Its not that hard.

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    14. Re:Now for iOS? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Sold!

    15. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so Apple has been unlocked from day 1?

    16. Re:Now for iOS? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Would that be when Apple decides that they it invented it?

    17. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're complaining about their anti-modding attitude in a thread about them providing a bootloader unlocker. I just want to make sure I have that straight.

    18. Re:Now for iOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am really confused - How is Samsung the only relevant Android OEM?

      I mean maybe in the US or wherever you're from it's different, but then you should preface your comment with "Here in the land of xxx, I think that yyy."

      Anyway, here in Japan, Samsung sells a few models, but they are probably outsold by Sony alone, not to mention Sharp, Panasonic, Toshiba, etc., etc. And then there is Apple, and some Chinese makers like Huawei.

      Now many of the Japanese companies don't sell phones outside of Japan, but I heard that Chinese super-budget phones sell better overseas.

    19. Re:Now for iOS? by nicovl · · Score: 2

      After endless research, I have to say the RAZR MAXX is not just a good phone... but probably the best phone on the market. A solid well built phone that works great, looks fine and most importantly: It is practical! This is a smartphone that is really worth its money. In combination with the openness of Android this phone is the absolute Iphone killer. Sadly most people don't bother to get the best phone... they either get the fanciest phone (Apple hell) or the phone with the highest specs (the great plastic device called the S3). Just like the most popular president isn't going to be the best president, the most popular phone(s) are always the best ones. Sadly the phone buying market is victim to the same problem that our political systems are, the majority of those involved are idiots.

    20. Re:Now for iOS? by metaforest · · Score: 1

      You Sir/Madam win 1(one) Internet!

      *giggle*

    21. Re:Now for iOS? by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 1

      Will it be possible to call someone with it ? :-)

  6. Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is crazy how they say their phones have a "fully optimized" version of Android. Yes, with CityID and Blur running. Optimized my ass. With (on some phones) over 20 apps installed by Moto and Verizon that you can't remove and don't want. (reference: http://gildude.blogspot.com/2011/08/call-to-action-for-verizon-and-motorola.html) When you get updates for those installed apps - so that it not only has the old copy that came with the ROM, but now has another copy in the update. (reference: http://gildude.blogspot.com/2012/04/apparently-its-bloat-week-for-verizon.html). Optimized? Not even close. There is a reason that those of us that like to tinker with our devices want to unlock them and put on something better. We also want updates. Not phones frozen at an old "optimized" version. Idiots.

  7. causing... injury... including death... by drstevep · · Score: 2

    Turn Left! Or so the Nav system of my unlocked phone said, even though I was in the middle of the bridge...

    1. Re:causing... injury... including death... by SternisheFan · · Score: 3

      Turn Left! Or so the Nav system of my unlocked phone said, even though I was in the middle of the bridge...

      If anyone turns off the middle of a bridge, or onto railroad tracks, or off a cliff because their nav system told them to, then good! That's what you call natural selection in the modern age of tech.

    2. Re:causing... injury... including death... by Antarius · · Score: 1

      Don't need a phone for that; I've had two Navman Navigators built 8 years apart try that on me in Adelaide. And if you've ever heard of Adelaide water, you know that'd be fatal.

    3. Re:causing... injury... including death... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has nothing to do with an unlocked boot loader. All unlocked bootloaders do is make is easier to use custom kernels, no need for kexec. It doeesn't change your kernel, it doesn't change your rom, it doesn't change your nav system. Nav systems don't even care about these things, they don't make different decisions based on that.

  8. Progress is always welcome by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what else would be nice, Motorola? With your unlocking tool, how about updated drivers for the latest version of Android for at least 3 years into the life of each phone. Having an unlocked boot loader is great but actually being able to install Android version++ and having everything work would be even better.

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    1. Re:Progress is always welcome by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      Up this guy

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    2. Re:Progress is always welcome by spikenerd · · Score: 2

      Motorola: You will use the OS we provide and you will like it.
      Slashdot: Motorola is evil!
      Motorola: Ok, we will allow you to mess with your own phone if you really want to.
      oakgrove: Thanks, but please do all the work for us too, and make it convenient to abandon your business interests by simply pushing a single button!
      dutchwhizzman: Yeah, that would be oss!
      Motorola: Hmm, nevermind, just use the OS that we provide and like it.
      Me: you dorks!

    3. Re:Progress is always welcome by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      oakgrove: Thanks, but please do all the work for us too, and make it convenient to abandon your business interests by simply pushing a single button!

      Even with an unlocked bootloader, in order to use an updated version of Android on a device, you need drivers. The GPU for sure and likely other components on the SOCs Moto use utilize closed hardware that only Moto can provide drivers for. There is no "do all the work for us" as without those drivers, no work can be done unless you get lucky. If Moto goes through the half-measure and unlocks the bootloaders but doesn't provide drivers then you get a half-working solution and Moto's reputation gets tarnished. Providing the drivers wouldn't effect their business model as people would still buy new hardware to enjoy progress in that realm but the community would help furnish Moto with a good reputation as having phones that while not enjoying the guaranteed updates you get with a Nexus or an iProduct, at least provide a workable solution with minimal roadblocks.

      make it convenient to abandon your business interests

      Who are you to commentate on their "business interests"? If their business interests were being served so well up to this point they'd probably be making large amounts of actual money which is what a business exists for. Maybe the current model isn't working so well. Of course, I'm sure if they had the illustrious "spikenerd" at the helm MM HQ would look like something out of Scrooge McDuck's money bin, right? Right?

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    4. Re:Progress is always welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me: you dorks!

      Oh look. It's an arrogant jackass on Slashdot with strawman in tow. Imagine that!

    5. Re:Progress is always welcome by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      ...make it convenient to abandon your business interests by simply pushing a single button!

      Why would our pressing a button cause us to abandon them?

      Oh, right! When you say "your business interests" you don't mean us, the actual customers paying actual money for actual products! Got it!

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    6. Re:Progress is always welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they sold you a phone? It was really a development platform, though? Funny, didn't mention anything about that in any of the literature I could find. Oh well, live and learn.

    7. Re:Progress is always welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you going for "ironically stupid"? You know there isn't a mod for that right? Eclipse with the Android SDK plugin is the development platform.

    8. Re:Progress is always welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect a glass of kool-aid convinced him he didn't own the phone or have a right to make it do what he wanted.

        Psst, Phones, Consoles, Macs, uefi Windows, Blu-Ray player.

      You paid for it. You own it.

    9. Re:Progress is always welcome by chrb · · Score: 1

      The GPU for sure and likely other components on the SOCs Moto use utilize closed hardware that only Moto can provide drivers for.

      It's not true that only Motorola can provide drivers - it is just *hard* for others to do so. Nouveau showed it was possible to reverse engineer a GPU driver; in the ARM a world open source Mali GPU driver and Adreno GPU driveris being worked on, which will hopefully cover a large proportion of the mobile devices out there.

  9. All fun and games until it burns yours house down by oic0 · · Score: 1

    They of course have to cover all their legal bases. Some dolt could theoretically get their battery to catch fire and burn their house down.

  10. Let me break it down for you. by supercrisp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rooted custom OS leads to installing from "Uknown Sources." Installing apps from unknown sources leads to installing pirated apps. Installing pirated apps leads to installing pirated media. Pirating media leads to terrorism. Terrorism leads to death. QED.

    1. Re:Let me break it down for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can install from unknown sources without rooting or unlocking the bootloader....

    2. Re:Let me break it down for you. by supercrisp · · Score: 2

      You can install from unknown sources without rooting or unlocking the bootloader....

      "leads to" -- it's a gateway drug. once you start mucking around down in the OS, you're apt to all sorts of perversity. like learning terminal commands.

    3. Re:Let me break it down for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With buggy code you can make the battery overheat and start a fire in your luggage, bringing down an airplane, for example.

    4. Re:Let me break it down for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because that happens all the time with laptops which are "rooted" by default.

    5. Re:Let me break it down for you. by itsme1234 · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen even one Android phone where you couldn't enable "Unknown Sources".
      You don't have root, you have bootloader locked, etc but still you can enable "Unknown Sources"

  11. Thanks by vinn · · Score: 1

    Thank you Motorola.

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  12. whats the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/

    ssdd.

    Wake me up when its something, oh, I don't know, worthwhile to read.

  13. It can cause death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they hadn't put that in the disclaimer, how long would it take someone to sue them because they used the Motorola unlocker on their Motorola phone to put some alternate ROM in place, and then had a heart attack and 9-1-1 couldn't locate them because of a software bug?

    1. Re:It can cause death by nighthawk243 · · Score: 1

      Yeah... this was probably one of the reasons. My Tilt 2 on CM7.2 was unstable enough that it would encounter kernel panic every so often (especially when the radio would lose signal, then try to regain it. A RIL panic was common).

      There were a few times I ended up in the Ghetto because the thing would reboot while in the middle of Navigation; and it took at least 5 minutes on an extremely clear day to get a GPS lock.

      It is nice having a phone I can root that is rather stable on CM10 (Gnex)

    2. Re:It can cause death by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent up. This is not a hypothetical issue: there have been issues with getting 911/emergency dialing to work on some phones with custom ROMs. Certain models of the first generation Samsung Galaxy had this problem.

    3. Re:It can cause death by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      In that case the phone isn't casing death. it just caused life avoidance.

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  14. Seems like a good idea by The123king · · Score: 1

    Keep the ignorant ignorant and stop the stupid killing themselves. Sensible really. When Fast Food restaurants have to warn people that coffee might be a tad hot, I'm not suprised to see Google/Motorola do something like this to stop the ignorant from breaking their phones and suing them for it. Although in my opinion, a disclaimer similar to the MIT license would have been better than a warning akin to that on high voltage cabling. Ah well, that's the way the world is heading...

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    1. Re:Seems like a good idea by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      When Fast Food restaurants have to warn people that coffee might be a tad hot

      You can blame our illustrious judicial system and multi-million dollar payouts by easily manipulated by sob stories juries for that.

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    2. Re:Seems like a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because third degree burns to the clitoris are a laughing matter.

    3. Re:Seems like a good idea by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Nobody said it was funny and even following your implication that McDonald's was responsible, that doesn't mean we don't have an out of control judiciary that is awarding multi-million dollar "slip and fall" payouts that are way over the top excessive.

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  15. More straightforward alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or something mucks with the power controls and overheats the battery

  16. This part of the disclaimer bothers me the most... by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    ...violating applicable laws...

    That I can violate some law by altering a product I bought always interests me. I suppose if I sharpen one end of my android phone and plunge it into some one's chest I'd be violating a law, much as if I had welded a cow catcher to the front of my car and mowed people down with it. If I add an after market clutch system to it however that seems perfectly fine. There's a whole market for that infact. Rooting MY phone? Some kind of law is broken? What is that??

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  17. Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm writing this post from my new Virgin HTC Evo V. I spent the past two years locked in to a contract with verizon , stuck with a Motorola droid 2 global.

    I have over 10 hours logged on the phone wih Motorolaand Verizon customer vervice, yelling, screaming, and crying because of the lockedbootloader. I told them if they could not unlock thebootloader or keep up with its kernel releases then they would earn a permanent spot on my shitlist and would lose me as a customer for life. I would encourage everyone I knew to join me in boycotting their products. They didn't do either so fuck both of them and they horse they road in on. I spent the better half of the past two years stuck with Froyo and my d2g is still 2.3.3. Verizon's data charges were obscene and the bucket plan looks like a bucket full of two years of rape.

    I for one do not welcome our obstinate corporate overlords and prefer space / deep ocean Richard Branson any day of the week.

    1. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Partially your fault for not researching the phone first. Before I buy a phone, I always check to see what community support it has.

    2. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virgin Mobile USA is now owned by Sprint, not Richard Branson or any other 'Virgin' entity. Sprint bought it so they could offer no-contract service without have to use the Sprint name. Believe the Virgin Mobile UK might still be a Branson entity, but too lazy to check.

  18. Re:All fun and games until it burns yours house do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can do that without an unlocked bootloader. These events are not related. Such an event would require additional action. If I shoot someone, do you blame the employer of the grandfather of the guy who invented that gun?

  19. My LOCKED nav system did just about that. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Turn Left! Or so the Nav system of my unlocked phone said, even though I was in the middle of the bridge...

    My LOCKED nav system did just about that to me last year.

    I was driving east into Hawthorne NV on an old desert road. Coming through the last pass it told me to turn left midway through the last pass.. Taking the turn would have sent me down about a hundred feet of cliff.

    It looks like there was once a wagon road there, which had washed out long ago. Of course the USGS still had the track on their maps, the map vendor had included it, and the nav system picked it because it was slightly shorter than going down the hill to the highway into town.

    Some of our friends in a Prius were directed onto the 4x4 trail into Bodie. (Fortunately it was midsummer, and they were JUST able to make it - much to the astonishment of a couple of offroaders they encountered along the way.)

    Trusting nav systems, especially in rural areas, is a great way to get killed (typically by getting stuck far from cellphone service), unlocked phone or not.

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  20. Re:This part of the disclaimer bothers me the most by CityZen · · Score: 1

    What if a hacker added a hidden denial-of-service attack function to a ROM that was widely downloaded?
    How can you be sure that no one has?

  21. There may be legal issues, too. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I read their entry in wikipedia:

    - There was pressure from the Android community.
    -- Motorola promised an unlocking tool "by the second half of 2011".
    - When it didn't appear, complaints were mad to the FCC about violation of a Part C rule that appears to REQUIRE a way for ordinary users to unlock the bootloader and load anything they want.

    So this may be Motorola's response, 14 1/2 months late.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola held off, or limited the models unlocked, to avoid violating contract provisions with carriers that resell their phones with their service plans at greatly discounted prices.

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    1. Re:There may be legal issues, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it might be that Google purchase thing. I wouldn't be surprised if all new phones were factory unlocked from now on, but who knows?

    2. Re:There may be legal issues, too. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      I think it might be that Google purchase thing.

      Guess I should have read further. B-)

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  22. Re:This part of the disclaimer bothers me the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A standard cover-your-ass clause, probably. What if there's some local legislation forbidding unlocking bootloaders on Mondays or some sort of overblown DMCA-like protection?

    It's nothing compared to iTunes EULA forbidding use in manufacturing nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

  23. Re:This part of the disclaimer bothers me the most by iiiears · · Score: 1

    "Use the source Luke.."

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  24. What is locking/unlocking technically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone explain what exactly is done at a technical level to lock or unlock a bootloader?

    Why is it that usually it's only the manufacturer can provide an unlock solution?
    How do some hackers manage to unlock it regardless?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:What is locking/unlocking technically? by nighthawk243 · · Score: 1

      An unlocked boot loader allows you to flash a new recovery (such as ClockWorkMod) that allows you to flash ZIPs containing new ROMs, Kernels, and other things.
      Unlocking the boot loader varies between companies and even phones. My Tilt 2 needed Hard SPL (It was a winmo phone) flashed to replace the stock SPL, that way I could flash CWM on it before getting CM7. My current phone (A Galaxy Nexus) only requires a simple "fastboot oem unlock" command sent to it while in fastboot.
      The guys that find a way to unlock it basically reverse engineer it and often find some sort of exploit that they can use to gain access. Many companies keep the phones hard to unlock primarily for 2 reasons: Warranty (since it is possible to brick/damage your phone if you're an idiot) and also as a form of DRM. If you have root access to your phone, it is exceptionally easy to pirate applications.

  25. OS Updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android has a real Achilles heel allowing the phone networks to control OS updates. Putting out unlocking tools so at least the geeks can upgrade is a small first step. The only real solution is wrestling the updates away from the networks, but they despise they can not mess up iOS with paid placements, and will fight tooth and nail to keep installing bloatware on Android phones.

  26. Kexec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moto probably gave up and took the high road before Kexec based ROM's took over.

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804665

  27. More likely risk or death: Gitmo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where they send you for being a terrorist for unlocking a phone. Or maybe Corporate goon squads find you and pulverize you.

    The sad part is that, yes, the above is absurd, but 15 years ago it would have been instantly absurd. Now there is a small time delay when you read such stuff and then in a second or so, realize that a corporation really wouldn't send people kit squads out.

    Maybe?

  28. All I have to say... by theweakend · · Score: 1

    About fucking time.

  29. ICWBUTF by rossjudson · · Score: 1

    Clearly you have never heard of "I Can Walk Blindfolded Using The Force", a slick new app that hums when danger is near. Of course, if some bozo roots their phone and disables the danger sensors, you really can't expect ICWBUTF to work properly, can you? And boom, another user is dead. Long live Clu.

  30. Yes, they are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you stupidly put HOT BEVERAGES between your legs in a car and burn your crotch whey YOU spill it. Then you are an idiot. I want MY fucking coffee Hot dipshit. Not lukewarm because you are too stupid to operate a cup!

  31. 3rd options by DrYak · · Score: 1

    There are everywhere on the world bodies regulating radio emission (FCC in the USA for example. A little bit more complicated in the EU).

    All these bodies have one official goal: Make sure all the devices play nicely with each other.

    Unlocked device means: user can install god knows what on the device.
    Including flashing hacked radio firmware to give better/stronger signal, at the cost of going out of official specs and recommendation.
    Which brings the risk of b0rking nearby sensitive and vital electronic equipment.

    A smartphone with an "overboosted signal" radio firmware walking around a hospital might be a little bit frightening.

    And all these (exploding battery, GPS leading to false directions, radio-interferences) are just a few of the situation where a phone can be problematic.

    In some Suing-happy countries full of trigger happy lawyers, it might be useful to put a sticker on the unlocked saying "it's your fault if you cause death".

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