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RapidShare Urges US To Punish Linking Sites and Not File-Sharing Sites

hypnosec writes "RapidShare has said that the U.S. government should crack down on linking sites rather than punishing file-sharing sites and strangling innovation. The file-sharing site is understandably a little worried about the recent crackdowns on sites involved in or found to be promoting piracy. Daniel Raimer, RapidShare's Chief Legal Officer, is to meet with technology leaders and law enforcement at the Technology Policy Institute forum. Responding to a public consultation on the future of U.S. IP enforcement, the company emphasized that linking sites are the real problem. It wrote, 'Rather than enacting legislation that could stifle innovation in the cloud, the U.S. government should crack down on this critical part of the online piracy network.'"

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  1. War on Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with cracking down on "linking sites" is that it's way to broad. When you start attacking sites that provide users a collection of links, you're effectively attacking the basis of every web site on the Internet. It will no longer be safe to provide links. Further, it will undermine search. What is google but a collection of links?

    How about we don't go after file sharing or linking sites and instead go after the RIAA and MPAA for buying our politicians and extorting money out of people by their frivolous lawsuits. I buy my content, but when they go after the basic foundation of the Internet, it makes me rethink that. No revenue means no buying politicians.

  2. Re:Darn you Google! by hesiod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem isn't that I'm offering fake Rolexes for sale, it's that some law breaker is telling people about it!

  3. Not that easy by thoriumbr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is hard to go after the linking sites, they are way too much. The storage sites are just a few, and is easy to go after them.

  4. Uploaders? by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shouldnt they actually go for the uploader and not hosting company or the ones that link? Ahh going for uploaders would hurts their business, so they would rather have the authorities going for the ones that link.

    1. Re:Uploaders? by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shouldnt they actually go for the uploader and not hosting company or the ones that link? Ahh going for uploaders would hurts their business, so they would rather have the authorities going for the ones that link.

      Shouldn't they actually go for the content creator and not the uploader or the hosting company? Ahh pointing out that content creators licenses are what causes the uploading, hosting and linking to be illegal makes them look stupid, so they would rather have unlimited copyright for "a limited time" that's actually THREE GENERATIONS OF HUMANS in length.

  5. In the end, he loved Big Brother. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Daniel Raimer, RapidShare's Chief Legal Officer, is to meet with technology leaders and law enforcement at the Technology Policy Institute forum. Responding to a public consultation on the future of U.S. IP enforcement, the company emphasized that linking sites are the real problem. It wrote, 'Rather than enacting legislation that could stifle innovation in the cloud, the U.S. government should crack down on this critical part of the online piracy network.'"

    "Rather than enacting legislation that could stifle innovation in the cloud, the U.S. government should crack down on this critical part of the online piracy network.'"

    I guess that's Newspeak for "Do it to Julia, don't do it to me, do it to her!"

    But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

  6. It would be a dangerous precedent. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the first poster mentioned, it's not a crime. I can even link to a criminal site if I want, with the link saying "Look! Here's a criminal site! The bastards!"

    If they start regulating what you can link to, the internet is doomed. Don't go there.

    Besides, at least in the U.S., free speech is very much an issue when it comes to links.

    1. Re:It would be a dangerous precedent. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Say, if linking to copyrighted stuff is criminal, why are Google and Microsoft still operating search engines?"

      Exactly. And that is only part of the point: how can linking be a crime, when even downloading isn't a crime. ("Piracy" is, but downloading is not piracy, according to the legal definition. Downloading is merely infringement, a civil infraction. Piracy is a crime, but in order to be piracy (generally speaking), it has to involve mass distribution of copyrighted materials for profit.

  7. Re:Rapidshare HAS NOW MADE THEMSELVES the problem by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eliminate copyright. Problem solved.

  8. Re:How does this even make sense? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The UK just did it..... sent a man to jail for 4 years because he provided links to piratebay, demonoid, and other sites that had TV shows/movies.

    Of couse the UK has demonstrated itself to be as bad as Russia when it comes to free speech, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

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  9. Obligatory "Your post advocates a" checklist by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your post advocates a

    ( ) technical ( ) legislative (X) government ( ) market-based (X) finger-pointing (X) political

    approach to fighting illegal file-sharing over the Internet. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws.)

    (X) There is no centralized authority that will force people to carry out your plan
    (X) Your plan is incomplete or contains too much "needs to be further discussed." phrases
    (X) Requires a consensus on whether a problem actually exists
    (X) Requires a consensus on the definition of where the problem lies
    (X) No one can agree on the definition of the problem
    (X) Proposal is philosophically inconsistent in mulple places
    (X) Computers and frequently people can't tell if a copyrighted item is being hosted legally or not
    (X) The item at the end of a link can change over time

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    (X) Existing court decisions protecting the very activity you want to restrict
    (X) Scalability
    (X) Extreme opportunity for mischief when abused
    (X) Technically illiterate politicians
    (X) Stupidity on the part of some people who do business over the Internet

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
    (X) A near-consensus that the activity you want to restrict should not be restricted
    (X) Many people download illegally because it is not feasable to obtain content otherwise
    (X) If file-sharing ended tomorrow and everything else remained the same, gross revenue wouldn't increase all that much
    (X) Is this really the purpose of government?

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.

    Looking forward to similar posts by others who can do "funny" better than I can.

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  10. Re:Darn you Google! by spazdor · · Score: 4, Funny

    OKAY EVERYONE, we just all need to stand in a big circle and each blame the person to your immediate right.

    Cops, please follow the chain of blame until you reach the end and find your culprit.

    It's the guy who posted the file! No, it's the guy providing hosting for the guy who posted the file! No, it's the blogger who posted the link to the file! No, it's the guy who reblogged the link! No, it's the guy who aggregates blog links! No, it's the guy who wrote a Google custom search which spiders links from those link aggregators! No, it's the guy who figured out that math can be used to obfuscate the "original source" of a data leak! No, it's the guy who came up with a distributed data storage model based on it! No, it's the guy who figured out that the Streisand Effect applies to every piece of published data! No, it's Barbra Streisand herself!

    ...And there's your culprit. Please go arrest Barbra and sue her for the RIAA's lost wages and in the meanwhile we'll just keep on copying like we always have.

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  11. Bad form by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only a united front can beat back the MAFIAA. Winston Churchill's statement on appeasement seems apropos here: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last".

  12. Crack down on Hollywood Accounting instead by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    much bigger problem.

  13. Re:Darn you Google! by sidthegeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this pretty much sums it up. http://i35.tinypic.com/o9mtf4.jpg

  14. Re:Darn you Google! by spazdor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quit thinking about business models, and start thinking about models for society and for culture. A world full of piracy may be a shitty place to try and make money as a publisher, but it's a marvelous place to grow up as a child with a love of music or film or literature. No one has ever said that publishing has to be a profitable business in order for a market or a society to thrive, except for publishers.

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  15. Re:Darn you Google! by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everybody is making jokes when the simple fact is just like the VCR there are plenty of non copyright uses for these sites. lets take myself for example, i have used sites like Rapidshare to send some of my own musical works to someone halfway across the planet so they could load it up and add their own tracks, I've used them to send .reg files for basic fixes like the PITA "Windows no sound device even though the drive is installed" bug, used them to store zip files of family photos so I can send them across the country to distant relatives, plenty of things other than the latest Titney Spears you can use these sites for.

    In the end it shouldn't be their job to have to constantly go through everyone's stuff to make the *.A.A happy, we've already seen that doesn't work as you can simply change the name of the files and you are back to square one. No they should be treated no different than Google who takes things down when they get a request. Problem is the *.A.As are lazy bastards and want to pass all the expense to everyone else and they have no problem with bribing officials to write the laws to let them pass on the expense.

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