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Earth's Corner of the Galaxy Just Got a Little Lonelier

Hugh Pickens writes "Only four stars, including Barnard's Star, are within six light-years of the Sun, and only 11 are within 10 light-years. That's why Barnard's star, popularized in Robert Forward's hard-SF novel Flight of the Dragonfly, is often short-listed as a target for humanity's first interstellar probe. Astronomers have long hoped to find a habitable planet around it, an alien Earth that might someday bear the boot prints of a future Neil Armstrong, or the tire tracks of a souped-up 25th-century Curiosity rover. But now Ross Anderson reports that a group of researchers led by UC Berkeley's Jieun Choi have delivered the fatal blow to those hopes when they revealed the results of 248 precise Doppler measurements that were designed to examine the star for wobbles indicative of planets around it. The measurements, taken over a period of 25 years, led to a depressing conclusion: 'the habitable zone around Barnard's star appears to be devoid of roughly Earth-mass planets or larger ... [p]revious claims of planets around the star by van de Kamp are strongly refuted.' NASA's Kepler space telescope, which studies a group of distant Milky Way stars, has found more than 2,000 exoplanet candidates in just the past two years, leading many to suspect that our galaxy is home to billions of planets, a sizable portion of which could be habitable. 'This non-detection of nearly Earth-mass planets around Barnard's Star is surely unfortunate, as its distance of only 1.8 parsecs would render any Earth-size planets valuable targets for imaging and spectroscopy, as well as compelling destinations for robotic probes by the end of the century.'"

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  1. But can it detect a space station? by trout007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could be a local hangout.

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    1. Re:But can it detect a space station? by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, and how much science fiction has become true within a century or two of it being written? Traveling to moon? Did that. Created giant subs capable of traversing the world's oceans? Did that. Went to Mars? We're pretty close. Cybernetics? Robotics? The author that came up with those lived to see them start to become real.

  2. Alpha Centauri by Meneth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about Alpha Centauri? I suppose the binary nature of the star system could make it hard to detect any planets there.

    1. Re:Alpha Centauri by naroom · · Score: 5, Funny

      Too many mind worms.

    2. Re:Alpha Centauri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How big a telescope would need to be, in order to be able to find streetlights on a planet 10 light years away, either by looking for an artificial spectrum, or for a frequency of the order of 50Hz, assuming a continent-wide synchronised AC power supply.

      Assuming you just want a big telescope that can resolve something on the scale of a streetlamp, 10 light years away...

      We'll need the small-angle formula and the Raleigh Criterion. The first gives us the angular size of the streetlight; the second gives us the diameter of the telescope needed.

      The small angle formula tells us D=a*d/206265, where d is the linear size of the object, a is the angular size, in arcsec, of the object, and D is the distance to the object.

      We'll assume a linear size of 0.25 metres and a distance of 9.46e16 metres (10 ly). This gives us an angular size of 5.45e-13 arcseconds.

      The Raleigh Criterion tells us sin(theta)=1.220*lambda/D, where theta is the resolution, in radians, lambda is the wavelength of the light source, and D is the diameter of the objective.

      Assuming a wavelength of 550nm, we get a diameter fo the objective of 2.54e11 metres, or 254 gigametres. For comparison, the earth's diameter is about 12 megametres; the diameter of Venus' orbit is 216 gigametres, and the diameter of Earth's orbit is 302 gigametres.

    3. Re:Alpha Centauri by neoshroom · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem with Alpha Centauri is that as soon as you put together all the parts to launch the rockets there, Civilization ends. Maybe we should go for a Diplomatic Victory instead?

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  3. Re:Don't need a planet to explore by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If a solar system has only one thing in it and that thing is mostly just relatively undifferentiated hydrogen, that's going to be less interesting that a solar system with a bunch of things in it. (Regardless of any ideas about colonizing or anything else.) It's certainly still possible that there is something fascinating in that solar system, but at the moment, it would have to be something we still can't detect, so it's hard to get as excited about. Planets are fascinating things. They have interesting geology and interesting compositions. They also imply that there is enough mass for things smaller than planets, like comets and asteroids as well.

  4. Re:We're running out of planets! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    When the wise man points at the moon, the naive looks at the stars behind. Go to the Moon, extract water, create an atmosphere, grow plants. Nobody says it's easy. But the whole is likely to take less time than to go to a "near" star and find a "livable" planet...

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  5. No planets around Barnard's Star? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Let's just build a 'tugboat' and take the earth with us and hope the core stays hot enough to keep us from freezing solid. Be ready for a very long night.

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    1. Re:No planets around Barnard's Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would be a lot easier to make an interstellar ship out of the moon. We just need to build a large base and then set of a huge nuclear explosion on the other side of it.

    2. Re:No planets around Barnard's Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For a moment there, I thought you meant on the other side of the moon from us, rather than from the base. I was already to go "nooooo, that'll crash it into the Earth, you fool!" Then I realised. And posted anyway. Ah well.

      yes, that's the ridiculous part of the "nuclear powered moon-ship" plan.

    3. Re:No planets around Barnard's Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's called "A Pail of Air" by Fritz Leiber from 1951.
      The planet was actually earth, which had been torn away from the Sun by a dark star passing through.
      It's a nice and rather short story and can be read in full here. http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/0743498747/0743498747___6.htm

  6. Re:Don't need a planet to explore by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but that is not the argument in this story, the argument is not that there are no planets there, the argument is that there are no Earth size (or larger) planets are not found within the 'habitable zone'.

    This doesn't mean there are no planets, there are no planetoids, there are no comets, there is nothing there. It means there are no planets like this one or bigger within the 'habitable range', which is another thing that we make various assumptions about.

    So to us 'habitable' means some range of temperatures for example, so that water would be in a liquid form. But this does not even mean at all, that there is no planet there, where there is water in liquid form that is not within the 'habitable range' from the star. Can't water be in liquid form due to other conditions, for example because a planet is too hot due to radioactivity and there is liquid water underground?

    They ruled out Earth type planets within 'habitable range' that's all.

  7. Look at the bright side by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lack of planet on a nearby star does not mean there is nothing around the star

    There might still be fragments of ice / rocks / whatever that humankind can use to construct an artificial planet of some kind

    Plus, the lack of existing planet means we get to create one, with our own design

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    1. Re:Look at the bright side by cjsm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lack of planet on a nearby star does not mean there is nothing around the star

      There might still be fragments of ice / rocks / whatever that humankind can use to construct an artificial planet of some kind

      Plus, the lack of existing planet means we get to create one, with our own design

      Yea, make our own planet. Simple! This got modded 5 Insightful? Why not make another Earth in our own solar system? It would be way easier to do it here where all the resources are, instead of in a distant solar system. Or even easier, crash asteroids from the asteroid belt into Mars to create an Earth size planet. Why don't we do it? Because it would be freakin' impossible for any beings without near God-like technological powers.

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    2. Re:Look at the bright side by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

      I do hope they'll add fjords. They give a planet character.

    3. Re:Look at the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why don't we do it? Because it would be freakin' impossible for any beings without near God-like technological powers.

      People not so long ago would have said that about many of the things we take for granted today. Try telling someone a couple of hundred years ago that we'd build aircraft that could carry hundreds of people at 2/3 the speed of sound to the other side of the planet in a few hours, or that we'd be able to pull a small device out of our pockets and talk instantly to someone anywhere on earth, or that we'd be able to send a sophisticated robot to Mars to explore and conduct science experiments. Creating an artificial planet isn't essentially that hard, it just requires a level of technology beyond where we're currently at. Get to a stage where you can send out self-replicating robots to collect and process asteroids for you, for example, and it might look a bit less daunting. And there's no particular reason to believe that we won't eventually develop such technologies.

    4. Re:Look at the bright side by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, make our own planet. Simple! This got modded 5 Insightful?

      The Mormon Moderation Front?

      Seriously, I can't think of anyone else who believe that humans will create planets. No, this is not flamebait or trolling - it really is the only ones I can think of that might see this as a possibility, although not while still human.

      And if there really are someone delusional enough here to think that we could create our own planet while being mortal humans, you really need to think about the scale here. It's not just huge, it's immense. We only scratch the surface of this planet.
      If we found Mount Everest sized rocks (~3x10^15 kg) in a solar system, we would need around 2 000 000 000, that is 2 milliard (or billion for those who use the short system) of them to create a planet with Earth's mass (~6x10^24 kg). Imagine the power and time needed to move one Mount Everest. Each Chomalungma sized rock is about 28 milliard (or billion in the short sytem) times the weight of the space shuttle.

      And we're not just talking scale here. Think about how you would adjust the orbital speed of the mass you assemble so it would stay in orbit as you add to it. Or how to cool it down from all that kinetic energy -- how long did it take Earth to cool down? Or how to survive the flares of Barnard's Star?

      Niven and Lucas make great space operas. But we have to admit to some limitations. Come back in a few million years, and whatever species have descended from us may have a different opinion. But us? No, we have no chance.

    5. Re:Look at the bright side by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not make another Earth in our own solar system?

      I'd prefer them to use Barnard's star for beta testing the process.

    6. Re:Look at the bright side by invid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      By the time we have the technology to build our own planets, planets will be obsolete.

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    7. Re:Look at the bright side by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly what I came here to say.

      One thousand years ago, the peak of technology was a powder that would explode when ignited, that could propel a small projectile in a general direction a few hundred feet. Today, the peak of technology is dropping a laser-armed nuclear-powered semi-autonomous wheeled laboratory from a rocket-powered flying crane onto a precise target from 150 million miles away.

      By the time we have the capability to load up humans and send them 1.8 parsecs away before they (and any descendents) die, we might just have the technology to build an artificial planet, or at least a large structure capable of artificial gravity, a self-sustaining ecosystem, and harvesting materials from whatever asteroids are nearby. It does not need to be as big as the Earth or support as large a population, but it'll do for a while until technology improves further.

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    8. Re:Look at the bright side by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Getting there will be much harder then moving a few rocks around.

      Um, no. A planet isn't just "a few rocks". The scale is immense, and we're bound by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

      Never mind where we would get the energy to accelerate and decelerate such masses from, it would likely take thousands of millions of years to assemble those "few" (thousands of millions) gargantuan rocks and have the new planet cool down enough to be ready for terra-forming.

      Getting there isn't even in the same fantasy as creating a planet. There are orders of orders of magnitude difference here.

    9. Re:Look at the bright side by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      capable of artificial gravity,

      You want some faster than light travel with that?
      Or perhaps telekinesis?

    10. Re:Look at the bright side by Stele · · Score: 5, Funny

      You want some faster than light travel with that?
      Or perhaps telekinesis?

      You read my mind!

    11. Re:Look at the bright side by Geeky · · Score: 2

      I think, given that you're writing in English, it's perfectly safe to say "billion" and not specify "short system" every time.

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    12. Re:Look at the bright side by deoxyribonucleose · · Score: 4, Informative

      capable of artificial gravity,

      You want some faster than light travel with that? Or perhaps telekinesis?

      Inertia expressed as centripetal force will do just fine, thanks.

    13. Re:Look at the bright side by tarius8105 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Easier said than done. There would be a lot of new science required just for planet terraforming that does not exist today. An example, how to make the planet's core more active to support tectonic plates so that the rock material from crashing asteroids into the planet get recycled into larger rocks. Then there is calculating the right amount of liquid water needed to sustain the planet and somehow transport it whether its crashing comets into the planet. Altering the planet's rotation if its tidally locked, its axis if we want to have seasons (which I believe would be required), and potentially a moon with enough mass to exert influence to maintain them. The other issue is this isnt something that is currently completable in the average person's life time, it would be many generations down the line where they might be able to work on phase 2.

    14. Re:Look at the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      capable of artificial gravity,

      You want some faster than light travel with that?
      Or perhaps telekinesis?

      Artificial gravity can easily be implemented with acceleration. Pretty much every amusement park out there have a "large" structure capable of artificial gravity. They usually create a gravity-like force out from the center but sometimes they create a transient gravity-like force, either upwards or downwards from earth to increase or decrease the real gravitational force you fell form the planet.

      Faster than light travel is a bit harder since traveling at light speed isn't supported by current models. If the models we use today turns out to be wrong it might be possible. We still havent figured out why we get anomalies like dark matter with the models so it's not impossible that there is something wrong with them. OTOH we haven't observed anything moving faster than light either so it's likely that the energy requirement for moving faster than light is too high for it to be possible to occur naturally or that things moving faster than light don't interact in a way that can be observed.

      Telekinesis is spiritual superstition and belongs to fantasy, not science fiction.

    15. Re:Look at the bright side by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah I mean what's with people who think humans can fly? There are just things that humans were not meant to do!

      Everything is impossible until you figure out how to make it possible...

      This isn't just a technical issue, unless Newton, Carnot and Einstein were all wrong in pretty radical ways.
      Scoffing at building a planet is more like scoffing at someone who says he can eat the moon. It's not just a question of getting and preparing the moon - there's not enough time for it to happen in.

    16. Re:Look at the bright side by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      And that's what probes are for, which is a good way to test the travel capability. Of course, even if we sent a probe today, we're talking a few generations before useful data is returned, and our probe technology isn't really good enough to scan a whole solar system for asteroids yet... so now's a good time to work on picking promising stars, confirming or ruling out suspicions, and exploring our own solar system. Heck, maybe we can get a viable small fusion reactor working productively, then we just have our interstellar ship grab asteroids from our own system on the way out as a source of both fuel (enough to offset the additional needs) and material for the destination. Unfortunately I do not know the math involved, and the equations will change as new technologies are developed, anyway... but here's hoping.

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    17. Re:Look at the bright side by medv4380 · · Score: 2

      If you're going to limit yourself to only what we know now then we'll probably never even leave our solar system. So why bother yourself with an opinion about making worlds?

    18. Re:Look at the bright side by GrunthosThePoet · · Score: 2

      Planet? Pah! I demand a Ring World!

    19. Re:Look at the bright side by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is actually pretty much true.

      By the time we have the technology to smash together enough rocks that it can hold an atmosphere with its natural gravitational force, we won't need to live on a rock with enough natural gravitational force to hold an atmosphere.

      That godlike amount of effort could be spent doing something more practical.

    20. Re:Look at the bright side by evilviper · · Score: 5, Funny

      capable of artificial gravity,

      You want some faster than light travel with that?

      No thanks, I had some neutrinos for lunch, and boy did they go right through me!

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    21. Re:Look at the bright side by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come one, artificial gravity is easy. You use a simple quantum graviton emitter to pull gravitons from the gbrain and emit them in concentration creating an artificial gravity field.

      Everyone knows that.... Wait, what year is it?

      never mind.

    22. Re:Look at the bright side by Shempster · · Score: 2

      Niven and Lucas make great space operas. But we have to admit to some limitations. Come back in a few million years, and whatever species have descended from us may have a different opinion. But us? No, we have no chance.

      We are hardwired for optimism, for better and for worse. And future milestone breakthroughs are very hard to predict. Some predict an accurate simulation of the human brain is only several years away. Strong AI shouldn't be too far off after that. Strong AI will expand the sphere of whats possible, technologically. But we human beings are most defintely very primitive. IMO, we have never possessed the type of ethical wisdom, nor moral courage that would allow our species to survive well into the future. As it is, the world's nations cannot restrain themselves from destroying the last remaining intact natural habitats (of this world) in the race for "scarce resources" for immediate term survival. Plutocracies control it all, and seemingly there is no way to break out of the destructive stupidity of how human civlization has chosen to conduct itself. That downer aside, we are wired for optimism. So we cannot give up hope. From fiction, sometimes great imaginations do accelerate (tehcnological) breakthroughs in the real world.

    23. Re:Look at the bright side by Drethon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea of flight still applies. Flight of something that has all of its thrust propelling it forward seems impossible until we understood how a wing can produce lift. Yes the necessary forces to produce a planet in a sane amount of time are quite a bit different from that of a wing and may not exist at all. However we can't assume we know everything about how the universe works since our theories keep getting proven wrong (or incomplete). Unless we understand that there may be forces to the universe we don't know about yet, we will not recognize them when we finally see them.

    24. Re:Look at the bright side by bzipitidoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't sound like you appreciate the difficulties of doing an interstellar probe. It's not like silicon chips, in which we've seen astounding improvements. We simply can't do it, not now, and probably not in the next 20 years or even 100 years.

      Currently, our fastest escaping probe is Voyager 1, at about 17 km/s relative to the sun. At that rate, a probe will need about 70000 years to reach Alpha Centauri. Suppose the velocity we can give probes improves by a factor of 100, which is assuming a lot. (For one thing, gravity assists would be of little value.) That's still 700 years. We have no experience making machines that can last that long. Our civilization might not last that long. We need perhaps 1000 times the velocity, then we're talking only a 70 year wait.

      To achieve 1000 times the velocity is not a matter of 1000 times the fuel, it's 1000^2 times the fuel. It's even worse than that, if the probe has to carry its fuel. No matter how we accelerate the probe-- whether with on board ion drives, nuclear bombs, light sails, or something else-- that's such a huge amount of energy that none of these ideas are even remotely feasible. That means it will have to be slower, which puts us back to the problem of how to build something that can last the 1000 plus years such a trip will take. There are many other problems, such as communication, but the primary one is simply the distance. I wouldn't hold my breath for science fantasy either. It's not at all likely we will invent warp drive or some other means of FTL travel.

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  8. It's Masters of Orion 2 all over again! by Madman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I'm seriously worried. Every time I played Masters of Orion 2 and I got situated in an area where the closest habitable planet was far away I always got my ass kicked by some civilization that was able to expand quickly. Our only hope is to start developing Deuterium fuel cells, and quickly!

    1. Re:It's Masters of Orion 2 all over again! by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

      Yep, we are some 2 billion years behind the median.

  9. Re:Is it still a possibility? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Could this just mean that it eliminates any orientation other than either pole of the solar system facing Earth?

    No, if that were the case, you would still see the star "draw" a little bitty circle if anything sizable is orbiting it.

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  10. Re:We're running out of planets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You say the 700C hellhole of burning sulphuric oceans is "a bit harder" to terraform?

    That is a bit of an understatement.

  11. Re:And why should we be looking for "Earth-size" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because if it's larger then gravity will make it uninhabitable, and if it's smaller then it can't hold an atmosphere, which again would make it uninhabitable.

  12. Re:We're running out of planets! by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

    The upper atmosphere of Venus is much more earth-like though. We just need to figure out how to build a floating colony that can withstand winds of 100m/s.

  13. Re:Star Wars by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    A wookie touched him when he was small.

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  14. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only four stars, including Barnard's Star, are within six light-years of the Sun, and only 11 are within 10 light-years.

    What do you expect? This end of the Western spiral arm is somewhat unfashionable.

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    1. Re:Ob by Like2Byte · · Score: 2

      Only four stars, including Barnard's Star, are within six light-years of the Sun, and only 11 are within 10 light-years.

      What do you expect? This end of the Western spiral arm is somewhat unfashionable.

      What do I expect?

      What do I *expect*!?

      I *expect* a freaking restaurant!!

  15. Re:We're running out of planets! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    The moon doesn't have enough gravity to hold any usable atmosphere that you would think to create.

    Over millions of years, sure. It takes a little while to dissipate.

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  16. Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus, the lack of existing planet means we get to create one, with our own design

    I wish you damn creationists would stop posting here!

  17. Re:Is it still a possibility? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The barycenter of sun-earth is only 300 miles from the middle of the sun.

    Keep in mind that Barnard's star is only about a seventh of the sun, and much cooler, so the habitable zone is much closer. An earth sized planet in the habitable zone would have a much larger impact on Barnard's Star than Earth does on Sol.

  18. Re:We're running out of planets! by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    Yes, except the atmospheric pressure at the surface is gigantic and the solar energy that reaches the surface makes it about as bright as Mars. I'd also talk about the sulfuric acid rain, but due to the pressure, it actually doesn't rain below a certain level of the atmosphere.

    Venus *might* be habitable if we can strip off most of the greenhouse gasses and reduce the pressure, but it also doesn't have plate tectonics, its whole crust basically inverts when it is time to release heat from its mantle, so that is a big problem. Consequently, the planet also doesn't have much of a magnetic field.

    Venus is the planet equivalent of seeing what looks like a hot girl in a crowd, until "she" turns around and you realize it is a really ugly man with long hair and a beard.

  19. Results did not rule out Earth sized planet by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lack of planet on a nearby star does not mean there is nothing around the star

    And, even more to the point, a lack of a planet larger than ten times the Earth's mass in an Earth-like orbit, or two times Earth's mass in a close-in (ten day) orbit says nothing about the presence or absence of Earth- mass planets, unless you have a well-accepted theory showing that systems with Earthlike planets must also have Jupiter-like planets, which is a theory we don't have.

    That's according to what the actual article says-- ignore the Slashdot summary, it's wrong. http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.2273

    And, worse, the mass detection limits are limits on m*sin(i)-- if the orbits are inclined, the planet masses that couldn't be detected would be even larger. (in the limit, if the orbit is face on, it wouldn't have detected planets regardless of how massive they are)

    Overall conclusion: This puts limits on planets around Barnard's star, but did not have the ability to detect, and thus did not rule out, Earth-mass planets.

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