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$900,000 Raised For Buying Tesla's Lab

icebraining writes "As Slashdot reported earlier, The Oatmeal's Matthew Inman launched a funding campaign to help the Tesla Science Center, a 503(c) non-profit, buy the place of Tesla's final laboratory, the Wardenclyffe Tower in Shoreham, New York. Well, thanks to 21511 contributors, it has already raised $912,080, well above the original $850,000 goal. But it's not too late to help: any money raised above the goal will be used by the organization to build a museum dedicated to Tesla."

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  1. Not very shocking. by BMOC · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would expect this endeavor to generate some electricity and buzz.

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  2. Cool! by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

    I totally love the idea of preserving this site.

    Think they'll sell working copies of those nifty steampunk stun guns in the gift shop?

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  3. Error in summary by FalconZero · · Score: 4, Informative

    A small error, but the original goal was $850,000 - which is slightly important, as it was the required goal to attain matched funding from local government.

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    1. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, that was the max matching that the local government would provide. The local government offered to match any amount raised up to that amount.

    2. Re:Error in summary by WillgasM · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they said they would match anything up to $850k. They'll probably be able to get the property for much cheaper since they're able to pay cash. The Current $1.6m bid that they wanted to beat was apparently financed. With some luck, they should already have some funds leftover to start the museum.

  4. I hope they reinstate the tower by belgianguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I'm aware that'll probably be the last of their worries, it would complete the location and make it more 'monumental'.

    1. Re:I hope they reinstate the tower by belgianguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh I know, there's probably a whole slew of objections against reinstating the tower with all its original functionality. Not being able to meter it would be one of the least worrisome IMO. While it would be uber-cool, it's probably not possible as the location itself is turning into a museum, not a 'bleeding-edge' lab and it therefore can't be doing dangerous experiments. Not to speak of building code violations, possible negative effects on nearby (modern) electric equipment, additional effects on local fauna/flora etc.

      I'd be very happy already if they could rebuild the tower in looks only, as it looks so otherworldly and adds some uniqueness to the location. Furthermore it'd be visible from pretty far away, giving Tesla that visibility and validation that he had to miss out on for so long.

    2. Re:I hope they reinstate the tower by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative
      Basic physics says you can't extract that much energy from electromagnetic fields like that. Most fields diminish with an inverse square law (although magnetic fields actually diminish with an inverse cube for complicated reasons).

      Remember that JP Morgan pulled his funding when Tesla didn't know how to incorporate an electric meter into his system for extracting energy from the aether ("higgs field" is the latest term, I think).

      Ok. First, the notion of an aether was a ubiquitous substance necessary to explain among other things how electromagnetic waves traveled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether. There was in the late 19th century and early 20th century, the reasonable but ultimately incorrect beliefs that waves required a medium to travel through. Since the main waves people were used to all obeyed that, it seemed reasonable. 20th century physics (especially Einstein's work) removed most of the reasons for thinking one would need an ether. Second, the Higgs field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_field has nothing to do with this but is, very roughly speaking, an attempt to explain where the mass of elementary particles comes from. There's no way Tesla would have known anything about it. He had neither the math nor the particle physics knowledge to even guess at such a thing. You are essentially combining a variety of different ideas together that have little to do with each other.

    3. Re:I hope they reinstate the tower by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's simply the cult of Tesla. He was very bright and had a lot of good ideas but to say things like "Modern physics has nothing on Nikola Tesla" or "Tesla grokked physics like no one else before or (perhaps) since" simply isn't accurate. If we want to go with the celebrity route, Feynman would be the obvious counterexample to the second statement, especially since Tesla did absolutely no work in many fields of physics at all. But more to the point, Tesla couldn't have grokked things that well since the knowledge simply wasn't there, and because it is very hard for a single human to do everything. Thus for example Tesla never worked with superconductors (although they were known in his lifetime). Similarly, Tesla had as far as we can tell, no overarching ideas about theory that were at all helpful.

      And of course, Tesla came out against special and general relativity. While it is conceivable that GR might have issues, SR is pretty damn well one of the best established theories there is. Tesla was just wrong.

      Tesla was a man. A brilliant man, but a nevertheless, a man and not a god.

    4. Re:I hope they reinstate the tower by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, but Sir, you besmirch the name of Tesla!
      Blasphemy!
      Faithful followers of Father Tesla will not be pleased.

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    5. Re:I hope they reinstate the tower by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      There's no way Tesla would have known anything about it. He had neither the math nor the particle physics knowledge to even guess at such a thing. You are essentially combining a variety of different ideas together that have little to do with each other.

      It was Tesla, of course he knew.

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  5. I donated $333 by adisakp · · Score: 2

    It's probably more than I could easily justify but I figured it was for a good cause and I really wanted one of the limited signed comic books :-)

  6. Museum? by tanujt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not use the extra money to fund some actual research in electrical engineering? I don't think there's a better way to "honor the memory" of a great scientist/engineer.

    1. Re:Museum? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd rather see them make a museum that's actually awesome. Not just "this is what he did and how he did it". I want Tesla coil demonstrations (the kind he used to do with electricity arcing all around the room). I want "build you own X" areas for kids to build cool things. I want smart, exciting people giving smart, exciting presentations about what engineering and technology makes possible. In short, I want a museum that will inspire some small number of kids to follow in Tesla's footsteps.

    2. Re:Museum? by fiordhraoi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Or you make a museum showcasing Tesla and his dedication, make it fun and interesting, and you snag the interest of hundreds of young kids every year, of whom dozens may become researchers themselves.

      As important as dollars are to research, so are minds.

    3. Re:Museum? by reubenavery · · Score: 2

      Insurance companies says NO.

    4. Re:Museum? by cachimaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Research in electrical engineering in 2050 will be done by kids visiting this museum now and realising how awesome it is.

    5. Re:Museum? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      City Museum in St Louis manages to do a lot of things that you'd think their insurance company would have a heart attack (and I'm sure they get charged an arm and a leg for their coverage). Point being, it's doable if you create the right environment and get the right resources behind you.

    6. Re:Museum? by jacknifetoaswan · · Score: 2

      Thomas Edison - OG Apple.

    7. Re:Museum? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Research in electrical engineering in 2050 will be done by kids visiting this museum now and realising how awesome it is.

      If they can time travel, why not go back and visit the original 1917 lab?

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    8. Re:Museum? by drkim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What you propose is actually only half doable. There are things Tesla did back then that we still don't know how to do today. It's a testament to his genius, which is legendary.

      Name one.

      Ball lightning.

    9. Re:Museum? by drkim · · Score: 2

      Those are cute, uncontrolled sparks, but Tesla made long-lasting 1.5" lightning spheres that he could pass from hand to hand. He used to show these to his friends during his private "magic shows."

      108 years ago Tesla wrote,
      “I never saw fire balls, but as compensation for my disappointment I succeeded later in determining the mode of their formation and producing them artificially.”
      N. Tesla, Electrical World and Engineer, March 5, 1904

      ...and BTW, the reason we have been able to replicate much of what he did a century ago is because he left us copious patents, charts, notes, diagrams and articles.

  7. Anonymous donor by cachimaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From this article "The fundraiser goal was reached in six days, put over the top by $33,333 from an anonymous donor." ... I wonder who this anonymous donor may be.

  8. Oh no! by Antipater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unfortunately, due to a mysterious "bank routing error", all $900,000 was deposited into the accounts of the estate of Thomas Edison.

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    1. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Edison spokesman was heard to say: "Damn you and your 'alternating currency'!" and ran off leaving a stream of patents behind him.

    2. Re:Oh no! by Hillgiant · · Score: 3, Funny

      The fools! I tried to warn them against running their routers on DC!

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  9. A 'live' museum, not a 'dead' one by belgianguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tesla was a crazy genius, in that regard I think it would be more fitting to have (at least part) of the museum have live/interactive and interesting things to do and try, rather than just gazing at collectibles and ooh-and-aah-ing at antiquities (how very awesome those still might be). Perhaps a MAKER lab or something or making a bulb glow with wireless electricity, have a Tesla coil play a song on your $MP3_PLAYER. If you read The Oatmeal's Tesla cartoon, you'd already have quite some nice ideas.

  10. Tesla's Musem in Belgrade does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Posting anon due to mod points used in this thread.

    I remember it Vividly. They had a massive Tesla coil, and would fire it up with us inside the room. Then they gave us fluorescent striplights to hold, which would light up in our hands, without any wires! To this day I remember the event as the defining moment when I thought Science was awesome! My dad took me there when I was something like 9-10 years old. Loads of his old papers, demonstrations of his experiments, etc... totally awesome. There was also a room where his ashes were kept, but we were not allowed near the urn itself.

    I hope that a corresponding Museum in the US would do for your kids as my visit all those years ago inspired me. Hopefully your insurance companies and health&safety people will not shut this idea down.

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    1. Re:Tesla's Musem in Belgrade does this by Confusador · · Score: 2

      The Griffith Observatory in LA has one of the few remaining Tesla-built Tesla coils, and they do a demonstration like that. They used to pass out fluorescent bulbs, but with the proliferation of personal electronics and (more importantly) implanted medical devices they've had to put it in a Faraday cage. They still have both fluorescent and neon lights in the cage so you can see how it works, though.

  11. That's nice. But the tower was stupid. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's nice, but it reflects Tesla's work in his "dumb RF" period. Tesla's AC work was great, but his concept of RF was bogus. He thought the ionosphere was a conductive layer. What the Wardencliffe tower was supposed to do was use UV lamps to ionize a path up to the ionosphere so a high voltage could be pushed up to it, like a lightning bolt in reverse. Then, having energized the conductive layer, a receiver in another location far away could pick up the signal, or maybe even power. Tesla wrote this up; there's no mystery about this.

    It would have been spectacular to watch, but useless as a communications system. The ionosphere isn't a big conductive plate in the sky. Also, the way to make radio work is to make better receivers, not more powerful transmitters. When Marconi first sent signals across the Atlantic, his transmit RF power was about 10KW. Tesla was planning to use megawatts on the transmit side, but didn't have anything new on the receive side.

  12. It's important. by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my view, building a museum to Tesla is important, so the actual genius, vision and true importance for humankind (Tesla) is highlighted, versus the treachery and deviousness that gets you riches (Edison).

    The way I see it, this museum is not only going to educate people about what Tesla did for us all, how he enabled the modern society of the West, how he made life easier, what kind of thinker and innovator he was. No, for me this museum will also be a big "Fuck you Edison".

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  13. Re:would be better without government funds by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, because government never spent money on a museum before.

    Government does spend money on efforts to increase tourism, which brings money to the local economy. A Tesla museum in theory would bring more visitors to spend money (if nothing else, on food, gas, hotel, shopping, etc). There's nothing new here. Requiring the $850k to be raised is a test to confirm this is something people would want to come see.

  14. Tesla invented the Internet by THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER · · Score: 4, Funny
    Things Tesla invented/discovered that were subsequently stolen by -- and credited to -- mere mortals:
    • 5th-gen iPod
    • Superconductivity
    • LTE, NFC, and Wireles USB
    • Kentucky Fried Chicken
    • V.I.N.C.E.N.T. (but not B.O.B.)
    • Carbon nanotubes
    • the RS-232C interface

    Extend the list by replying!

  15. Re:would be better without government funds by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    The Statue of Liberty wouldn't have been built unless Americans paid for and built it's pedastel/ base. That was a huge amount of money at the time, all paid for by private citizens, many of them schoolchildren donating saved pennies. http://www.statueofliberty.org/Statue_History.html I think the Tesla Museum will be great! Here is thee BBC news story link.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19343855

  16. Re:would be better without government funds by cusco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And it was built on public land and has been maintained and renovated with public money. The really big difference between 1886 and today is that corporations and their executives felt an obligation to society (even the robber barons) so actually contributed to the effort. Good luck financing anything like that today, as modern business ethics classes teach that if it doesn't increase shareholder value then the executive class is pretty much forbidden to do it. This is what we get for letting a bunch of MBAs and lawyers who have never done an honest day's work run our society.

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  17. Re:would be better without government funds by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
    The Republican National Convention is being held in a convention facility two thirds financed by public funds.

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/08/22/gop_convention_held_in_stadium_built_with_public_funds.html

    The Tuesday night session at the Republican National Convention will be themed "We Built This!" in a dual effort to celebrate American entrepreneurship and attack President Obama's infamous comments to business owners.

    However, the Daily Dolt reports the stadium was financed primarily with public funds. "The Tampa Bay Times Forum arena, which houses the Tampa Bay Lightning, was built in 1996 as the 'Ice Palace' with 62% government funds. The total budget for the project was $139 million, of which public money accounted for $86 million and team money accounted for $53 million.

    Perhaps the RNC should change their slogan to "Someone else built this with mostly government money".

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  18. Re:Let's build a goddamn time machine! by icebike · · Score: 2

    Not abandoned so much as mothballed, there is a guard shack, and presumably some care-taker at least part time.

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  19. Re:Let's build a goddamn time machine! by Confusador · · Score: 3, Informative

    Their promotional video includes pictures of the interior. There's a lot of work that needs to be done.