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Phony Laser Security System Proves Perception Is Reality

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Softpedia reports that Global Link Security Solutions are offering a product that doesn't actually do anything to alert an owner of a break-in to their home or business, but it displays "one hell of a laser show in an attempt to scare potential crooks into thinking that they have no chance of breaking in without triggering the alarm." According to the security firm, LaserScan has four lines of protection: a number of lasers that move along the walls and floors (video), an LED which indicates that there's a "link" to a satellite, a beeping alert, and a sticker placed on the front door. Although the company claims that none of their current customers has reported break-ins since the system has been installed, security guru Bruce Schneier highlights that the product only works if the product isn't very widely known."

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  1. Um, duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this anything more than a high-tech version of the old "Beware of guard dog" signs?

    1. Re:Um, duh? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where I used to work there was someone who put up no parking signs on their fence. I guess they parked their RV in their yard and wanted to be able to get it in and out. The city allows for a driveway, but you can't just say your entire frontage is no parking. Even so, the sign ensured that spot was almost always vacant. I parked there for a couple of years.

    2. Re:Um, duh? by SomePgmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't suppose it is... but that doesn't mean it's not doing the job.

      Probably best to back up the high-visibility deterrent with a real camera and alarm system though. At very least for the insurance aspect.

    3. Re:Um, duh? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone seems to be forgetting the most important aspect to security systems like this.....most thieves are crackheads and crackheads? Not the brightest bulbs. Like that old saying "You don't have to outrun the bear, just the other guy" the same thing applies here, as criminals are lazy and stupid and will go for the easiest mark. Will they think it may be fake? Sure but who wants to risk a 3-5 just to find out, when the building next door doesn't have anything at all protecting it?

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    4. Re:Um, duh? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's clear in their ad that their selling this IN ADDITION to a regular security system. It's just supposed scare off the thief before they break your window and you've got to pay a deductible. When I was in highschool I worked at a pizza shop. Every night the owner would close out the till, take the money drawer out and sit it on the counter, turn the register around and leave the drawer wide open facing the front window. I asked him why he did it and he said he had 3 break-ins where they had busted the front window and destroyed his cash register just to find out it was empty. Each time he had to pay $1000 deductible. Finally his insurance agent told him what to do with the cash register and he never had another break-in.

    5. Re:Um, duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fun fact I learned from dealing with wildlife up here in Canada: If you and a slower person are running from a bear, the bear will catch the slower person and immediately go after the still fleeing person because of their instinct to chase. The slower person can then hypothetically run away because they aren't in the bear's line of sight anymore.

      TL;DR: It's better to be the slower person running from the bear.

    6. Re:Um, duh? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well you have to put yourself in the mindset of a crackhead, you're hurting, you want to just grab and GTFO so you can go swap the loot to a dealer for a rock, so are you REALLY gonna sit there and try to suss out whether its a real system or not? When there is a place next door that looks clean? Nope you aren't gonna waste a second thought, you'll be moving on.

      After all it isn't like the car thieves where they already know how much that make/model vehicle is worth, they don't know if there is anything really good, or anything their dealer will take, so they are gonna go for the least risk every time. I used to do ride alongs with a friend that was county PD and we'd see time and time again even those lame fake "protected by" signs would often be enough to get them to move on to the next house.

      That said I really can't see paying $200 for the thing when I was able to get my dad a nice 4 camera system for his shop with 500Gb DVR for just $230 shipped from Tiger. I gotta go by there next week to set up the Android phone access (man I'm dreading that, I just know it'll be a PITA) but it took him less than an hour to have it up and recording the inside and outside of his shop 24/7 and the unit is hidden in a back drawer of a junked up corner of the shop so I seriously doubt any crackhead would find it. At least with that if someone does break in we'll have a nice vid to hand the cops.

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    7. Re:Um, duh? by lightknight · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is why you use elephants.

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    8. Re:Um, duh? by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Why elephants? They are SO much cheaper to subvert using peanuts. You need to buy more expensive meat for the dogs.

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    9. Re:Um, duh? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure but who wants to risk a 3-5 just to find out, when the building next door doesn't have anything at all protecting it?

      The building having nothing at all to protect it probably doesn't have anything at all worth stealing either...
      This is the double-edged sword of visible alarm systems, fake or otherwise: nothing screams "lots of loot inside!" louder than an obvious alarm system...

    10. Re:Um, duh? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      That said I really can't see paying $200 for the thing when I was able to get my dad a nice 4 camera system for his shop with 500Gb DVR for just $230 shipped from Tiger.

      So the thief will just steal the 500Gb DVR as well... Better set up an instant offsite backup system as well, but you better plan appropriate bandwidth for that... (or else the thief will have stolen the unit before it has finished uploading his pix)

    11. Re:Um, duh? by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2

      No, but you do "jones" - being filled with the overwhelming desire to do more coke/crack to get back that high.

      Or, as I used call it, the "I ain't got no more fuckin' coke blues"... Usually lasts from 15-20 min to 3-4 hours after the last line/rock is gone, depending on how high you are/were and how badly you are/were addicted.

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    12. Re:Um, duh? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let me guess, you were the slower one, right? Condolences about your friend though.

    13. Re:Um, duh? by Sulphur · · Score: 5, Funny

      It might be fake. But if they do an upgrade that actually does something, how's the perp gonna know?

      There is a car with a light show on top, and a guy in an arresting blue outfit.

    14. Re:Um, duh? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Funny

      We were going out to some shitty nightclub one night. Was in Boston, over by "Giliians", which I don't think is there anymore, back when Axis and Avalon were still around. I was looking for parking down the main parking drag, and see an open spot...with a sign... it looked like a legitimate city posted temporary "No Parking" sign....

      except... the center part said "fridays" with no date... and it was attached to the parking meter with string....poorly...

      We just laughed, parked there, and tossed the sign under the car, which was probably the plan of whoever put it there.

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    15. Re:Um, duh? by Talderas · · Score: 2

      The only way to subvert elephants is to use magma.

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  2. As long.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as it is not widely known.

    Posting it on Slashdot sounds like a great idea. :)

    1. Re:As long.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because all burglers check /. regularly ...

      Well... maybe a couple comic store robberies could be linked to the Slashdot readers...

  3. d'oh! by multiben · · Score: 4, Funny

    the product only works if the product isn't very widely known - lol.

    1. Re:d'oh! by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Security by Obscurity.

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    2. Re:d'oh! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      The presence of a visible deterrent doesn't preclude having a real one as well. The best security is both, that's why real car alarms often have the flashing LED on the dash, even if the fakes copied it and have them as well. Maybe their goal is to deter the drunks and opportunists, and the dedicated thieves wouldn't care anyway.

    3. Re:d'oh! by StillAnonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

      I make my doors 35% narrower than most. That way, the fat crooks can't get in. Security through Obesity.

  4. Easy to determine that it's fake by Hentes · · Score: 3, Informative

    Real alarms use infralasers.

    1. Re:Easy to determine that it's fake by Phixxr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Real companies use tripods when they shoot promo videos.

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    2. Re:Easy to determine that it's fake by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and... real criminals are not always that smart and get their working knowledge of security systems from Hollywood movies.

      I'm willing to bet real money that if you took a sampling of 1000 prisoners (guilty of robbery) and showed them the video, 990 would believe it was a real laser security system.

      If the criminal was sophisticated enough to know better, chances are they would walk into the place in broad daylight and use social engineering instead.

      Now, if you *really* wanted to fuck with the criminals you would also install the infrared lasers and have a really big mean fucking dog set to be loose once the lasers were tripped.... and have a cage slam down in the front preventing escape.

    3. Re:Easy to determine that it's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then bam! Running Man.

      If you use more serious lasers you can have Burning Man.

  5. Bruce underestimates the value of theater by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing about "security theater", is that it's not 100% useless - it provides a very real psychological deterrent to someone thinking about breaking in.

    Even if a criminal knew such a system was not real, they would not know it was not also paired with a real alarm system, or perhaps this version was real somehow. The kind of people breaking into things generally are not that well educated, so how could they really tell if the system was fake or not even knowing fake systems existed?

    The problem with security theater in airports is that it causes way too much grief to outweigh the deterrence gained. But in this case there is no downside and the system would be very cheap to install.

    True anecdote - when going to a summer college I had a car I had to park in a remote lot. I installed an LED I could turn on with a switch, that just sat there blinking.

    The ONE DAY I forgot to turn on that switch, someone broke into my car and took a $10 cassette player (the window cost more than $50 to replace). After that I remembered every time to turn on my "alarm" and never had a problem again.

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    1. Re:Bruce underestimates the value of theater by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you and a halfling are being chased by a dragon ...

      ... remember that the halfling has a better shot at your knees than you do at his.

      Yes, but you can pick the halfling up and toss him towards the dragon's mouth. Which I have actually done before playing role playing games. Buddy was not amused.

    2. Re:Bruce underestimates the value of theater by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 2

      Where I grew up, I found that simply having alarm company stickers on your door was good enough to stop burglars. There are plenty enough houses there without any sort of security system. Even tweakers understand the idea of going after the low-hanging fruit.

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  6. It will sell by bhlowe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Every good security tech will suggest adding similar measures-- Security signs, dummy cameras, NRA member stickers, fake dog bark noises, even putting a huge dog bowl on the back porch. Just being a little harder target than the guy down the street helps. Criminals are usually not bright enough to figure out which threats are real or imagined.

    1. Re:It will sell by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if a "good" security system works, it still leaves a broken window, a trashed door, or other damage done by a burglar. I had a vehicle protected with a kill switch rather than a car alarm because I didn't care for the siren noise. It got broken into several times and the steering column opened up. My vehicle was still there when I came back, but it cost a pretty penny to get the broken window fixed, a new ignition switch, etc.

      A real security system needs both. Real security that slows down or stops attacks combined with the "oh shit", brown-stain-in-pants, intimidation factor.

      It also depends on the criminal. The two barking GSDs in the window may deter a professional thief who makes his money on doing his stuff quietly, but the meth-head will just fire off a few rounds with his 9mm, and score something to take to a fence for another bottle of shake-and-bake.

      Personally, I'd take the laser system. Combined with a real alarm and in-depth security like sturdy, locking hall and bedroom doors, it will keep a good number of potential burglars at bay.

    2. Re:It will sell by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Informative

      NRA stickers are a bad idea. Most break-ins occur when the burglar is reasonably sure that nobody's home. All the sticker does is advertise that there are guns here just waiting to be stolen.

      BTW firearms rank right up there with cash and jewelry among desirable things to be stolen.

    3. Re:It will sell by game+kid · · Score: 2

      That's why I prefer witches over guns.* It's hard for them to steal your weapon when your weapon has its own arcane shield and great brea^Wstaves and spells to deal heavy damage.

      *Witches with guns do complicate the risk calculation a bit.

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    4. Re:It will sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      you failed to mention that you were the thief

    5. Re:It will sell by JeffAtl · · Score: 2

      Those stats aren't really accurate but it's not worth debating. Like you said yourself, "a hit" is not the only measure of "success".

      In any event, no-knock warrants have made defending your home with a firearm almost impossible. Alll a intruder has to do is break in at 2AM and yell "this is the police!!! everyone on the ground now!". Cops get the wrong addresses all the time and if you shoot one because you think he is a home invader, you will be charged with murder.

  7. Re:the more security the more to steal by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And if you were a super criminal that would matter. If, however, you are just out to grab some stuff to sell in order to by some crack then you'll just move onto the next place.

  8. Re:home security.. by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all fun and games until your cat dies of exhaustion.

  9. prepare for incoming lawsuit by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    By publicizing this system even after well-known security expert Bruce Schneier "highlights that the product only works if the product isn't very widely known", Slashdot is clearly guilty of attempting to aid and abet burglars. Cybercrime charges for samzenpus!

  10. Re:Not entirely correct by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    The product also works if there is a similar product that actually triggers an alarm but is indistinguishable from the fake security system.
    I can vouch that my house is 99.9% as safe now with the ADT sign and all of the equipment installed and turned on, but without monitoring as it was when I was paying for monitoring. I might even have continued paying for monitoring if the Fire Department hadn't threatened to start charging me for the numerous false alarms caused by ADTs crappy and yet somehow expensive hardware.

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  11. Re:home security.. by rk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or just a high quality sample of a pump-action shotgun getting cycled, which is the international signal for "you're in a whole heap 'o trouble, son!" :-)

  12. Which is why you have... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Or they'd just say "fuck it", walk into the place in broad daylight wearing a ski mask and carrying a rifle, grab what he wants.

    That's why you keepold ladies with guns running the place.

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  13. That means it will work by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought a fake "security camera" for $12, just has a blinking red LED, no other real electronics... and mounted it on a pole peeking above my fence on our dead end.

    Instant effects. No more people parking to have sex or eat McDonald's and throw the trash on my lawn, no more people stealing flowers or attempting to hide in my property, even the neighbors are paranoid about the "surveillance."

    Most people don't understand the difference between their web browser and the file manager.

    Unless you're in a very rich neighborhood which attracts high-end catburglars out of the movies, the presence of a few strange boxes with red lights is more than enough to make them go away.

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  14. Re:home security.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    Hack up you 'big mouth billy bass' to make the pumping shotgun noise. Brown stains leading out of house.

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  15. Don't worry it will still work. by beltsbear · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most of the criminals to be deterred are not reading slashdot. If they are a criminal reading slashdot they are too busy using their Arduinos to open hotel doors.

  16. Re:home security.. by Huge_UID · · Score: 2
    I'll help you with the attribution. From Schneier's blog:

    It's all fun and games until your cat dies of exhaustion. Posted by: Kahomono at August 17, 2012 7:18 AM