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Judge Orders Release of Ex-Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts

Penurious Penguin writes "A few days ago, news of an ex-marine detained for his Facebook posts reached far and wide throughout the interweb. It was a hotly debated affair and considered from many perspectives. Today, a judge has ordered the release of Brandon Raub, citing a lack of facts regarding the detention. It's a strange case, undoubtedly, but perhaps even stranger when taking into account a few things. For example, Raub reportedly made claims that one of the psychiatrists involved in the case threatened him with forced medication. For history polymaths, government proposals of forced medication may not be a surprise; you may remember the case of Susan Lindauer. The situation may also remind of 2009, when Fusion Centers targeted Ron Paul supporters, certain universities, and conspiracy theorists as threats to national security, even logging anti death-penalty and anti-war activists into federal terrorism databases. Personally, I find myself wondering what sorts of epic dangers someone like Noam Chomsky might seem to pose after a stressful day and a few beers, if overheard by certain departments."

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  1. Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

    Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

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    1. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by cultiv8 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      So he's probably a frequent AC on /.?

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    2. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's mentally ill

      How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

      The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      Again, how do you know this?

      The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

      Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

    3. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Making observations based on superficial evidence is usually pretty dicey, but the opinions he ostensibly represents would lead one to believe that there are paranoid delusions being spouted, rather than random disinformation usually attributed to political parties.

      In your case, being obviously preposterous is much different than being delusional. While professionals are the ultimate observers, we civilians can make reasonably educated guesses ourselves.

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    4. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

      Unfortunately, in this puritanical country mental illness is treated like demonic posession. That is, something to punish the victim for to make ourselves feel more righteous. That's even more sick than this guy is.

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    5. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      The cases always get a bit more interesting if the feds are involved(because institutionalizing pesky dissidents for being crazy would be a convenient thing to be able to do); but there are a lot of much more prosaic involuntary psych commitments. A suicide attempt will probably earn you one, as will psychosis or delusions sufficiently strong and unpleasant to render you likely to violence toward yourself or others.

      For obvious reasons, this corner of medicine really does bear considerable watching; but it operates largely according to protocols designed for serious but politically uninteresting psych cases. Being seriously mentally ill and cogent enough to be a credible threat to political types is relatively rare.

    6. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's an interview with the guy while he was still being detained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sX1EvM6XksM
      He may be "sick" but he doesn't sound like it. I have met people with some very weird beliefs and they haven't and wouldn't harm a fly.
      Another interesting discussion on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMo6BrDbDQE

    7. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      OK, you lost me at "Bush is smart enough".

    8. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

      Well, I suppose it's always possible that the homeless guy at the subway station who's talking to invisible people and carrying around a jar of his own urine ISN'T actually mentally ill, but is in fact a psychic who can talk to the dead--but only with the help of concentrated urine. Only a Ph.D. in Psychology can pierce through that unknown veil and reveal the truth of the matter (since part of the Psychology Ph.D. program at any major university involves learning to distinguish the real conspiracies/psychics/mediums/etc. from the fake ones, presumably). Until then, we should all probably give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's just as likely that he's NOT mentally ill (until we can find a board-certified Psychologist to tell us differently).

      Or, maybe the homeless guy is making a giant meta-joke on the world. Being a homeless guy talking to invisible people is secretly all part of his MFA thesis performance art piece entitled "Homeless Guy Who Appears Mentally Ill, But Isn't." Again, since there is no way to be sure, we should probably treat this as equally a possibility.

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    9. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by FacePlant · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      Wrong Canadian. It was Supreme General Leonard Cohen.

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    10. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Antarius · · Score: 3, Funny

      Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      So he's responsible for inflicting atrocities and human suffering on a grand scale AND of an act of war?!

    11. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No! He's a 4 uid you insensitive clod!

    12. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by crazyjj · · Score: 2

      How can you be certain he is wrong?

      No more certain than I can be that unicorns aren't real, of course. I can only presume that the press would be woefully inadequate (even more so than usual) to have missed either George Bush's secret child-raping castle or all the horned, magical horses flying around shitting rainbows.

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    13. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

      And thats why they took him to a mental hospital (John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital, to be specific) and not prison. He wasn't technically arrested or charged with any crime at all, it was a "civil commitment" (which law exists, I believe, to hold individuals who are believed to be a potential danger to themselves/others).

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    14. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

      He's very sick and needs help.

      Not the core issue causing all the fuss. Core issue is that he is being locked up for what he allegedly "said" in a facebook post. Second issue is the ongoing mistreatment of civilians by douhebag cops who think they are above the law. People are sick of it.

      Besides, there are homeless people all over the city who are just as delusional as this guy. Are you going to force medication on them "just in case" they actually do something illegal?

      Until someone actually breaks the law, or is endangering themselves or someone else, threatening to do so should not get you locked up. Hitler took that approach.

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    15. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      Wrong Canadian. It was Supreme General Leonard Cohen.

      But Justin Bieber was pulling the strings......

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    16. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      Posting that here will get you an instant "+5, Insightful" here.

      How long have you worked for the department of redundancy department?

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    17. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (1) I wanted to comment that those who said the marine "deserved to be jailed" were wrong. The cops handed-in a blank piece of paper!!! Basically the cops arrested him without causes and this shit should not be happening in America. Thankfully we had a judge who still serves the Virginia Constitution (shall not be deprived of freedom w/o due process) and released the man ASAP.

      (2) The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt. He was just a puppet that was used by Cheney and other connected men to manipulate things behind the scenes. (This same theory also claims Obama is a puppet.) Here's a photo that is frequently used. It's Bush's head but overlaid with an Obama mask..... meaning nothing has really changed except the frontman:

      http://www.dokumentarci.com.hr/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/The_Obama_Deception_by_virtuadc.jpg

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    18. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Provide citation or retract the libel.

      July 28, 2012 Facebook post from Raub:

      “If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again.”

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    19. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      Did you reply to the right post? Personally, I think the guy needs help, not jail, but the mental health landscape in this country is abysmal.

    20. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by gmanterry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

      Here is a link to what is supposed to be on his FaceBook page:

      http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/

      I don't see any references to Bush or children and being a former Marine myself, I agree with what he says. If he was arrested for this, it is just wrong and they need to put me away too.

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    21. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by tbannist · · Score: 2

      Provide citation or retract the libel.

      He posted that it on his facebook page:

      July 28 at 11:15 am
      If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. some of the leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush's are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I'm crazy? Think again.

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    22. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you jump from his posting that to the conclusion that he wasn't trolling why, exactly? Are you new on the internet?

    23. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by thedonger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt

      I think there's enough video evidence from him speaking to prove that point.

      Bush said an incredible amount of Really Stupid Things. I find it hard to believe anybody still believes he's anything but a drooling chimp.

      Just curious, but when Obama said he had visited 57 states, did you see that as being stupid? How about the unbelievably numerous times he stammers in his non-teleprompter speeches, e.g., I-I-I-I-I-I don't- wha-wha-wha-what I mean; you see, the-the-the..., and so on? Or is he still The Great Orator? Genius, voice of a generation? And Haliburton is evil, but what about Obama's Goldman-Sachs chums in the administration?

      We spend so much time complaining, yet it is us - the people, the voters - who opted to sit around and watch television and let politicians warp the constitution to serve their need for power. The right and the left serve the same master. But it isn't the people.

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    24. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice try on the math, but...

      1) You can't make the leap from x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2 to x + y = y. Simplifying line 2 would result in x^2 - y^2 = y(x - y), which doesn't lead to line 3 in any way.

      2) The correct way to solve this (from line 2 down) is:

      x^2 - xy = y^2 - y^2 = 0
      x(x - y) = 0

      Solution is that x = 0 and/or (x - y) = 0, which means that x = y, for any values of x and y.

      3) Because of that, you have no basis to try to claim QED.

      Personally, I don't care if you believe in God or not, but if you're going to try to use math to prove it (and your example is extremely arbitrary, let alone erroneous), at least know how to actually solve for x and y before trying to look like a hotshot.

    25. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Huh? I don't get it.

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    26. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      He's mentally ill

      How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

      The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      Again, how do you know this?

      The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

      Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

      (a) No you don't believe that, I can tell by the context of your statement.
      (b) You seem rational enough, but if you truly did believe that the pope is secretly an ant-eater, Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait, and you posted violent rhetoric I would be worried about the safety of you and others around you.

      There are two kinds of people that post crazy stuff on the internet the people that truly believe it and the trolls, his posts do not seem like the work of a troll unless he was trolling people into believing that he is nuts in which case he was wildly successful. You do not need a medical degree to realize he is severely out of touch with reality. I hope that if a family member of yours started acting like he did you would try to do something instead of letting a loved one go about their business because you are not qualified to properly diagnose them so you do nothing.

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    27. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by PhrstBrn · · Score: 2

      Or he might be better at trolling than I am.

      For fucks sake, acting like an idiot on purpose isn't trolling.

    28. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 2

      in this puritanical country

      WHAT? You mean that a country with a huge pornography addiction, widespread promiscuity, high STD infection rates, is "puritanical"?

    29. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Just be careful where this leads you, especially when the case involves someone's political beliefs in one way or another.

      To remind, in late Soviet Union there was that practice where they declared dissidents insane. Very easy, actually: those people were claiming that Soviet regime was bad and nasty, and obviously any sane person can see just how awesome it actually is (and hey, they're lynching Negroes in America!), so clearly badmouthing it a sign of insanity. So this was used to lock undesired people out without formally pressing charges or anything like that. Then you can say with a straight face that you don't have any political prisoners whatsoever; you just have a bunch of crazies, who're getting the requisite medical help.

      I'm not saying that this case is like that - from what I know about it it certainly doesn't look that way - but there is certainly a slippery slope here if you start classifying certain political beliefs, even extreme (truthers etc) as a sign of insanity in and of itself.

    30. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by hey! · · Score: 2

      Look, politicians are professional opinion staters. They nearly always have a positive sounding opinion on anything, but when they get to the presidential level people scrutinize their *every* word, and aren't shy about taking it out of context ("You didn't build that."). Very few people, even presidents, can make that transition without sounding like an idiot occasionally. One of the few presidents who handled this well was Dwight Eisenhower, who not coincidentally had a background in military/diplomatic politics, but not *electoral* politics. When faced with a question he didn't want to answer, he'd toss out some zen-master quote that sounded so wise everyone wanted to agree with it, while not quite understanding what it meant.

      George W. Bush wasn't stupid, at least when it comes to figuring out how to get his way with people. What he was is something that should be familiar to most of us here on /.: he was bright, but *cocksure*. He confused making snap decisions with being decisive; sticking to his plan in the face failure with being resolute; not listening to contrary opinions with leadership. Those things might make him an obstinate fool, but that's not quite the same as being "dumb".

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    31. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, this is the biggest problem of any political system: every power we give the government is subject to abuse. Yes, the Soviets used mental illness as a pretense to silence dissidents, but the also used the power a state has to imprison people for similar purposes -- as China does today. Everybody (except for anarchists) think the state should *have* the power to imprison people, but it's probably the single most abused power there is.

      We give the police the privilege of bashing in somebody's door and searching the premises, but we don't expect or want that ever to be done to *us*. What makes government powers like that tolerable is that they are restricted by law, that the process is transparent, leaves a paper trail, and can be challenged.

      I think here we see another of the mechanisms that makes the government power to detain people tolerable. Even if police never made procedural errors (which of course is untrue), they'd still occasionally detain someone who shouldn't be detained. Being human, they aren't going to believe it was a mistake, even if confronted with clear evidence. That's why you need an independent judiciary (which, for example China does not have).

      It's quite possible this person should be involuntarily confined to a psychiatric hospital, but the police failed to prove he met the legal criteria for that, and they failed publicly. This kind of public failure and correction is essential to any government that is neither anarchy nor tyranny. Even if you assume the police are well-meaning, which they probably are in this case, you can't assume they are infallible.

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    32. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by sjames · · Score: 2

      If you are taken away and held somewhere against your will, it is indistinguishable from arrest and imprisonment. It certainly is not 'help'.

      Otherwise, you start to see things like 'sluggishly progressive schizophrenia'. For reasons never properly understood, that particular mental illness only struck political dissidents in the old Soviet Union. The only known 'help' for the disease was confinement to a psychiatric facility in remote parts of Siberia and heavy medication. Evidently espousing the official doctrine rendered one immune to it.

    33. Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 2

      Argh!!

      Don't mention that damn file, he'll pop up like a little lawn-sprinkler and shower us all with strangely-formatted advice!

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  2. As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by darkharlequin · · Score: 2

    ... bizarre as his fantasy world.

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    1. Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by lexsird · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That smacks of Illuminati conspiracy theories. The Internet is a complete cesspool of half baked conspiracy theories that the mentally stressed or ill should not be exposed to. Information overload.

      The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

      That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

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    2. Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by djlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

      That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

      I present to you, a person who goes by the nickname "lexsird", who thinks that the solution to these kinds of problems is to compell members of the military, eligible to muster out honorably, to participate in forced manual labor for the "greater good", because "lexsird" wants a North/South American highway system, wants to rebuild the infrastructure in the US, and thinks that forced labor is the way to go.

      Sure, sure, we'll pay 'em well, and it's for their own good, after all - Hell, ain't no kinda mental problem can't be fixed by some good, old-fashioned manual labor! And, if'n they get outta line? Well, we gots lotsa ways to deal with that, too!

      You ARE correct in stating that the highway infrastructure in the US needs rebuilding, and since you seem so concerned about it? Rather than volunteer others for it, why not volunteer yourself? Oh, yeah, that's right - manual labor isn't for the likes of you, right?

      Let's build it here, fuck them.

      Goddamn right! Fuck the veterans!

      They need to build something.

      That's the only thing in your post with which I agree. However, that something isn't roads, it's their lives. THEIR lives, on THEIR terms. Your complete lack of empathy, your cookie-cutter approach to what is an enormously complex and difficult issue, one which you've proven by your words that you've never experienced, tells me that you're clueless, at best.

      It's what advanced civilizations do.

      Yes, that's exactly what advanced civilizations do: Public works using forced labor comprised of miltary veterans returned from the battlefield after serving their country honorably. Yup, that's exactly correct.

      So, what do you do for an encore? Forced sterilization of people with physical or mental defects?

      Sorry, but I am not interested in your ideas, nor do I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

      Regards,

      dj

    3. Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by lexsird · · Score: 2

      That's not very respectful of people who went and fought a war for their country. I'm not saying get rid of the Internet either, Jesus! I'm saying people get worked up over cracked pot conspiracies. Couple that with PTSD or God knows what other kind of stress these vets have to deal with. Throw in some injuries, some pain, some medication, and you have a recipe for trouble, no?

      I don't think training people for war, putting them through a war, and when it's over, just dropping them off at the curb is a good idea. Help provide skill sets/education and jobs if they want/need them, so they aren't left with a bleak future. Homeless veterans, shouldn't that be a concept that disturbs us?

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    4. Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by s.petry · · Score: 2

      He claims that his military experience gave him access to the same classified information allegedly leaked by Bradley Manning to Wikileaks and now verified. He says none of us could possibly believe some of ths shit he witnessed over there, and the horrors reported by the media and even by Wikileaks are only the tip of the iceberg. He's not mentally ill, he has just seen too much blood and misery to process it all and return to living a "normal" life.

      Your last sentence is a complete contradiction. He's telling you what he saw, told you it was verified by a Wikileaks dump, and you believe it's all "his" mental problems and that there is no truth in any of the conspiracies?

      Look, I get that some are pretty far fetched.. but most of them also provide a whole lot of factual data. Example: Demand letters 1-3 factually show that Operation Fast and Furious had a primary goal of attacking the 2nd amendment and trying to get gun control laws passed.

      If people's guess at a motive is wrong, the facts being provided don't magically vanish. We should be looking to find out what the real motives are, and resolving issues that these facts do bring up. Such as why no criminal charges have been brought upon anyone involved in Fast and Furious. Perhaps these people are not as crazy as you think either.

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    5. Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... by okcdan · · Score: 2

      And we are still sending/programming thousands of kids over there every month.

      I know you meant "they" and not "we" right? I support none of that shit. Let those fuckers put me on a watch list. They can watch me raise two middle fingers in their direction.

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  3. History polymath? by gazbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A polymath in a specific subject?

    1. Re:History polymath? by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      A person with a wide range of historical knowledge, as opposed to an expert in one field (like the American Civil War or ancient Greece). Strictly speaking, you be a polymath in a specific field if that field in turn has a large variety of largely separate sub-fields, although it is not generally used that way. The term makes sense, although it really doesn't seem relevant or required here at all.

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  4. Re:Semper Fi by Sparticus789 · · Score: 2

    Always Faithful.

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  5. Expect more stories like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More troops are coming home. A lot of them spent a lot of time overseas, and despite the intense media spin that says otherwise, we did some really messed up shit over there.

    We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

    Now that they're home we don't need them anymore, and we'll tell them to suck it up and deal with it. We're sorry you had to watch your buddies get blown up by a roadside bomb. We're sorry you had to watch some child bleed out and die in your arms. We just don't want to pay for the costs of treating your trauma.

  6. Forced medication by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication? Clearly, these people are a danger to society.

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    Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    1. Re:Forced medication by DL117 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because vaccinations that prevent deadly disease with almost no side effects are very different than psychoactive drugs.

  7. That's "Former Marine" please by SensitiveMale · · Score: 5, Informative

    not ex-Marine

    1. Re:That's "Former Marine" please by dywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ex- means "no longer". You are only "no longer a Marine" if formally stripped of the title, and there's even debate about that.

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    2. Re:That's "Former Marine" please by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I worked at Disney, a fellow I worked with was a retired police officer. He referred to himself as an "ex-cop". A musician I met once named Dwayne Mahoney also referred to himself as an "ex-cop", he had resigned his police job in New York to seek fame in California (he did later).

      "Ex" simply refers to "used to be". As in "I used to be married to my ex-wife".

      A little checking finds no dictionary definition (except the urban dictionary, which isn't a real dictionar in my eyes), ask.com says "No such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine."

      The US marine birthplace memorial web site says

      Once a Marine, Always a Marine: This truism was adopted as the official motto of the Marine Corps League. The origin of the statement is credited to a gung-ho Marine Corps Master Sergeant, Paul Woyshner. During a barroom argument he shouted, "Once a Marine, always a Marine!" MSgt. Woyshner was right. Once the title "U.S. Marine" has been earned, it is retained. There are no ex-Marines or former-Marines. There are (1) active duty Marines, (2) retired Marines, (3) reserve Marines, and (4) Marine veterans. Nonetheless, once one has earned the title, he remains a Marine for life.

      So one doesn't have to be fired from the police force to be an ex-cop, you can split peacefully from your ex-wife (it happens sometimes), but you can't be an ex-marine.

      Did the X-Men all get sex change operations?

  8. A Useful fact for you by RobertLTux · · Score: 2, Informative

    Semper Fidelis would be Latin for Always Faithful.
    As this is the Marine Corps Motto if you say this in say a tavern you will most likely hear Ho-Ah! from a number of folks (marines tend to run in groups).

    Also if you forget a marines birthday then you can always use November 10 as a "fallback" since that is the Marine Birthday (bonus note do not "crash' those parties since multiple folks WILL BE ARMED).

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    1. Re:A Useful fact for you by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mostly correct.

      The Army says Ho-Ah. The Marine Corps says Ooh-Rah.

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    2. Re:A Useful fact for you by Sparticus789 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, with a "I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all" face.

      -General Mattis

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    3. Re:A Useful fact for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Army says Ho-Ah. The Marine Corps says Ooh-Rah.

      With a straight face?

      No, with your war face.

  9. How many stories? by cultiv8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The June 2010 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry published a study of 18,300 Army soldiers screened at 3 and 12 month intervals following deployment in Iraq. The study found that using “the least stringent definition” for PTSD, rates now range between 20 and 30 percent, and depression rates are at 11.5 and 16 percent.[2] Together this accounts for almost a third of our troops now suffering serious functional mental impairment. source

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    1. Re:How many stories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The depression rate seems to be lower than the national average.

      http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml

      Mood Disorders
      Mood disorders include major depressive disorder, dysthymic disorder, and bipolar disorder.
      Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder.1,2
      The median age of onset for mood disorders is 30 years.5
      Depressive disorders often co-occur with anxiety disorders and substance abuse.5
      Major Depressive Disorder
      Major Depressive Disorder is the leading cause of disability in the U.S. for ages 15-44.3
      Major depressive disorder affects approximately 14.8 million American adults, or about 6.7 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year.1, 2
      While major depressive disorder can develop at any age, the median age at onset is 32.5
      Major depressive disorder is more prevalent in women than in men.6

  10. Kafka by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He should have an offer of the very best help possible, paid for by the same people who paid for him being a marine.

    I'm not so sure that he should be forced into treatment until and unless he causes harm, not just talk. That opens up for Kafkanesque abuse.

  11. Re:Semper Fi by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Informative

    but it's not what he said that scared the government.

    It's that he's a Marine and said it.

    1,000 crazy truthers are nothing compared to one determined Marine.

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  12. Re:Sounds Familiar by tbannist · · Score: 2

    No, he's too rich to be crazy, he's therefore "just" eccentric.

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  13. Think twice before calling anyone crazy. by occam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sick or not, intellectually he's spot on. Reread his concerns about US and war and taxes.

    Then pretend you're a large scale fraudster with control over (literally) trillions of dollars, and key control points peppered throughout US government. Then consider how YOU would design and run a large scale fraud (Commons Fraud). Then consider how YOU would use your government control points to fleece unwitting tax payers out of billions and trillions of dollars per year.

    Perhaps you see Brandon Raub's concerns. If not, you're an example of when, why, and how democracy fails. In theory, every patriotic citizen should be deathly concerned that democracy has been turned on its head to use as a vehicle for overwhelming fraud.

    Brandon Raub is concerned, but you're not. Really? Who's nuts?

    Also kudos to Brandon Raub for his psychological fortitude. Soldiers, military families, and military friends are all very susceptible to the state of denial about war corruption because they are likely to have lost close ones to such crime. That's a heavy and for some insurmountable emotional and psychological burden to overcome with intellect. Since these frauds typically involve going to war unnecessarily, Brandon Raub has already transcended the typical emotional, patriotic, psychological trap of war veteran victims (and their families and friends).

    Ditto the war veteran actors and consultants on movies like "The Green Zone" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Zone_(film)].

    Casualties to fraudster wars are horribly tragic victims of terribly predatory faceless fraud run abusing overwhelming government power. So, the fact that a military veteran (Brandon) has transcended this psychological trap speaks to his intellectual stamina. Is he crazy? His friends don't think so. Even the ones who are military veterans, but you do?

    About 911, Raub points out that a building fell down all on its own. Until you (or someone) could explain that glaring incongruity definitively, don't say he's nuts for calling 911 an inside job. 911 adds up far more likely as an inside job courtesy a US intelligence agent (Osama bin Laden as anti-Russian agent repurposed as scape goat). Recall 911 launched several meaningless and misguided wars with HUGE impact on USA debt --- a basic money laundering / extortion / embezzlement scheme from American taxpayer wallets to stracketeer bank accounts. That's all Brandon Raub is pointing out... and he's not alone.

    So, next time you hear that the 911 wars were a farce, and that 911 was more than likely an inside job, think twice.
    When you recall that the Bush family is at the heart of several election rigging schemes, think twice.
    When you consider that BushLeague family and associates installed Supreme Court Justices who are central to the most ludicrous SCOTUS opinions in the nation's history (including GWBush reelection as President), think twice.
    When you consider GWBush started a war (in retrospect) on total pretense (e.g., see movie "The Green Zone" with Matt Damon for docufiction of what must have happened regarding WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction farce) on the ground in Iraq), think twice.
    And in case you didn't know that the Bush family has been linked to the similar behavior and motive for WWII (financing Nazi Germany war machine), i.e., across multiple generations, think twice.

    Once you consider all that, it makes perfect sense that the Bush family would have an out of country (somewhere in South America) family compound for when all the proverbial shit hits the fan. Because when you put 2+2 together, some superficially crazy shit starts to make perfect sense. Which is probably why Brandon Raub says we're headed for a revolution.

    You see, when democracy (or any government) breaks down --- a growing number of citizens realize their government is a vehicle for fraud and there's NOTHING we can do about it --- it's just a matter of time until a critical mass of knowledge spreads and ignites. History repeats itself, and our "democracy

  14. Stupidiosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bush said an incredible amount of Really Stupid Things. I find it hard to believe anybody still believes he's anything but a drooling chimp.

    I'm not dumb enough to start defending Bush's intelligence, but let me tell you something: there are lots of different ways to be dumb. Some people think I am some kind of raging genius (as if), not realizing how they routinely take certain skills & knowledge for granted which totally flummox me. But yeah: vice versa, too: I can do things they literally aren't able to imagine.

    That is, I'm both dumb and smart. Or to put another way...

    I am dumb enough to start defending components of Bush's intelligence. As weird as it is, that guy knew how to do whatever it is that it takes, to get elected president. And even weirder, he got re-elected .. after wasting shitloads of tax money on a totally useless war (which everyone knew in advance would be useless) .. and he was re-elected by supposedly conservative party! That's not "intelligence" as most of us here on /. define it, and yet if I ask you how to do it, I think you'd probably come up with a total blank.

    I have talked to seemingly-rational people, who it turns out practice religion.

    I have talked to people who are smart enough to perform eye surgery, and dumb enough to smoke cigarettes. And others who are smart enough to not smoke, but dumb enough to buy Apple phones.

    There is no one-dimensional continuum of stupidity; it's multi-dimensional and complex. There is almost nothing that I would just blanket assume GWB is too dumb for.

    OTOH, GWB really is too dumb for what is being discussed. So bad example but my point is .. oh, never mind.

  15. Lawyer of the marine on Alex Jones show. by Leafwiz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lawyer from The Rutherford Institute talks about the case on Alex Jones Show.

    Psychiatrist Threatens & Terrorizes Marine Over 9/11 Facebook Posts
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XuQWsXsZo&feature=g-all-u

    Talks about that Civil liberties in the US is getting attacked, and that Veterans are getting targeted by government harassment.

    "The Rutherford Institute is a non-profit organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia dedicated to the defense of civil liberties and human rights. The organization was founded by its current president, John W. Whitehead, in 1982.[1] The Rutherford Institute offers free legal services to those who have had their rights threatened or violated. The Rutherford Institute has a network of affiliate attorneys across the United States and funds its efforts through donations. In addition to its offer of legal services, the organization offers free educational materials for those interested in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Institute