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Will Your Books and Music Die With You?

theodp writes "Many of us will accumulate vast libraries of digital books and music over the course of our lifetimes, reports the WSJ, but when we die, our collections of words and music may expire with us. 'I find it hard to imagine a situation where a family would be OK with losing a collection of 10,000 books and songs,' says author Evan Carroll of the problems created for one's heirs with digital content, which doesn't convey the same ownership rights as print books and CDs. So what's the solution? Amazon and Apple were mum when contacted, but with the growth of digital assets, Dazza Greenwood of MIT's Media Lab said it's time to reform and update IP law so content can be transferred to another's account or divided between several people."

248 comments

  1. First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will anyone want your collection of Justin Bieber and Rihanna when you die?

    1. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, but I want to be buried with my Slayer and Black Sabbath albums. It will be good on scaring off the undead and it will guarantee that I won't be stuck playing a harp in the afterlife.

    2. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered an electric harp piped through your favorite effects processor?

    3. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what's the solution?

      Simple: digital content should convey the same ownership rights as print books and CDs. Why should, e.g., books written on vellum have different rights than those written on paper?

      Next problem,

    4. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROCK ON BROTHER. We need to cause discontent and trouble at all times, heaven don't want us and hell is afraid we will take over. LONG LIVE METAL!!!!!

    5. Re:First by DragonTHC · · Score: 2

      not exactly what we're going for.

      This was my original intent with gamerslastwill.com though I never brought it to fruition.
      I figured that there was a substantial collection of digital media and games that I had bought. If I die, or any gamer dies, what happens to their access rights.

      What would happen to my steam account if I died. I've already written a will explaining it go to my son, who is now 4 years old.

      But I figured what happened to people's accounts on something like WoW or SW:TOR who have invested enormous time and money into it.

      Seeing as how in-game assets can be worth real world money, they should be bequeathable.

      My tag was "You can't play secondlife in the afterlife"

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    6. Re:First by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      So what's the solution?

      Simple: digital content should convey the same ownership rights as print books and CDs. Why should, e.g., books written on vellum have different rights than those written on paper?

      Next problem,

      I simply take the ownership rights of the books I buy. (And, yes, I do buy them, because authors have to eat too).

      There are methods of DRM removal that can be used on your dbooks, and ebook library managers (such as Calibre) that you can use to manage your collection on your local hard drive, and back up to CD-Rom. Combine these two tool sets and you have the ownership you want.

      Similarly, for music, every digital music locker I am aware of allows download to your hard drive. Any drm protection on those files can also be stripped.

      I bought it, I own it, and I intend to use it as I see fit. I don't copy it and give it to others. But my son will inherit my sifi collection, and he likes sifi.

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    7. Re:First by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but I want to be buried with my Slayer and Black Sabbath albums. It will be good on scaring off the undead and it will guarantee that I won't be stuck playing a harp in the afterlife.

      The place you're going is more into accordions than harps.

    8. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      You mean the same metal made up of people who while acting 'hardcore' are sucking the collective dick of the RIAA?

      Yeah, thought so.

    9. Re:First by icebike · · Score: 2

      Seeing as how in-game assets can be worth real world money, they should be bequeathable.

      But I wonder...
      None of this stuff existed when you were a kid, and the stuff that did exist then is old hat, unused, and obsolete now, and other than the occasional pinball table collector pretty much no one cares. So don't expect any lasting value of any of these in-game assets. Infact, when your kid is 24, I doubt even YOU will place any value on these things. Raising a child and putting them thru college has a way of changing one's perspective on the relative worth of things.

      Second, on the matter of transferability, are you sure it is even allowed by the terms of service? Some of these gaming sites might preclude that (don't know personally), and if prohibited when you were alive and signed up, that prohibition doesn't go away just because you died.

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    10. Re:First by don+depresor · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You don't need children or to wait X years to feel the need to do a last will, anyone could die tomorrow, and they might want to make things "right" just in case that happens.

      The problem is: Would you leave your valuable WoW/EVE/whatever stuff to your brother/friend/whoever and risk being killed by them to get your "Phat L00t"?

      That would add a new depth to the expresion. "I killed my bro for the l00t!!!"

    11. Re:First by Artifakt · · Score: 2

      Just because somebody puts something in a contract doesn't mean it's legally enforcible. In the US, it's the individual estate laws of the various states that determines what can be transferred upon death. Saying that the terms of service can override this may look to a state judge like someone is effectively saying the individual states cannot make estate law. Worse, since the basis for the TOS is grounded in Federal law (Trade and Tarriff, and quite possibly Copyright - that is some clauses of a TOS may be designed to support copyright), the people behind the TOS are claiming that there is federal law trumping state law, but you will note the example situation is in a state court, not federal, and nobody seems to be asking the Federal government if it wants them to try and enforce a ( non-existant) federal decision on its behalf. There's something fundamentally absurd with asking a state court to give away some of its own sovreignty to the Federal system when the Federal system doesn't even want it. A lawyer making it has effectively argued the court he is in has no right to try the case. Again, not the best legal strategy if you want an actual decision.
            The rest of what you wrote is equally bullshit. (Sorry, but it is, and I'm out of polite ways to tell an idiot he's an idiot, for once). A court will not give a damn about what an asset is worth when you have raised a kid to 24 and all that other blather, they will care about whether it has value at the time of death and probate. The Federal government will take the same side, both because they don't want to claim estate law to themselves and because the contents of an estate are taxable by the IRS.
              What you would have here is the legal bequeathment of an asset, which then turns out to not have the cash equivalent value it would otherwise have because the company refuses to allow the recipient to take it up and use it. That's called an encumberment. At that point, people will be contacting the IRS to show that they recieved an encumbered asset that is not worth taxing, and the IRS will be (probably), giving them that point. Then the IRS will be explaining to Congress that they had X loss of potential tax revenues because of that encumberment attached to all such property. Then the US will realize it can collect all those taxes if the encumberment is removed or they can spend money to deal with litigation and to try to educate all those tax lawyers not to let people put that asset in their wills in the first place. The decision becomes butt heads with a bunch of state attorney generals and local lawyers to help a company make something non-taxable post facto, or tell the company their terms are invalid, and incidentally end up getting some tax revenue out of the decision. So, either the fed gets a court decision, or Congress passes a new law, or the IRS makes a very bad decision and thousands of people wealthy enough to pay estate taxes start adding that to their reasons for tax revolt, and a whole bunch of state v. fed lawsuits get launched anyways.

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    12. Re:First by icebike · · Score: 0

      What you would have here is the legal bequeathment of an asset, which then turns out to not have the cash equivalent value it would otherwise have because the company refuses to allow the recipient to take it up and use it. That's called an encumberment. At that point, people will be contacting the IRS to show that they recieved an encumbered asset that is not worth taxing, and the IRS will be (probably), giving them that point. Then the IRS will be explaining to Congress that they had X loss of potential tax revenues because of that encumberment attached to all such property. Then the US will realize it can collect all those taxes if the encumberment is removed or they can spend money to deal with litigation and to try to educate all those tax lawyers not to let people put that asset in their wills in the first place. The decision becomes butt heads with a bunch of state attorney generals and local lawyers to help a company make something non-taxable post facto, or tell the company their terms are invalid, and incidentally end up getting some tax revenue out of the decision. So, either the fed gets a court decision, or Congress passes a new law, or the IRS makes a very bad decision and thousands of people wealthy enough to pay estate taxes start adding that to their reasons for tax revolt, and a whole bunch of state v. fed lawsuits get launched anyways.

      Wait, weren't you the one explaining how they ran out of ways to politely call bullshit?

      Re-read your juvenile diatribe and see which one of us is slinging bullshit.
      There's no point in telling us you are not a lawyer in your sig, since its pretty evident you are still working on your GED.

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    13. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still needs updating of law to a somewhat sane level for that to be legal.

    14. Re:First by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Funny

      And Nixon will keep wiping the tapes.

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    15. Re:First by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Oh no! Locked for eternity in Lawrence Welk's studio!

      Oh well, at least it isn't bagpipes...

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    16. Re:First by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      OH YEAH!!! BURN!!! You sure showed that guy what's up.

    17. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "I bought it, I own it, and I intend to use it as I see fit. I don't copy it and give it to others. But my son will inherit my sifi collection, and he likes sifi."

      I agree. But that's why IP laws must be updated to reflect what we want because the way the laws are now, you can't use that as a defense in court. Well, you can, but it just causes the court to bypass the actual trial and start debating how many billions you owe.

      Also, the parent should be careful of his "simple solution". Companies would use that logic to remove ownership rights of printed books to make sure they're the same as digital shit.

    18. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's the solution?

      Simple: digital content should convey the same ownership rights as print books and CDs. Why should, e.g., books written on vellum have different rights than those written on paper?

      Next problem,

      I simply take the ownership rights of the books I buy. (And, yes, I do buy them, because authors have to eat too).

      There are methods of DRM removal that can be used on your dbooks, and ebook library managers (such as Calibre) that you can use to manage your collection on your local hard drive, and back up to CD-Rom. Combine these two tool sets and you have the ownership you want.

      Similarly, for music, every digital music locker I am aware of allows download to your hard drive. Any drm protection on those files can also be stripped.

      I bought it, I own it, and I intend to use it as I see fit. I don't copy it and give it to others. But my son will inherit my sifi collection, and he likes sifi.

      Excellent summary and on-point my friend! Well said!

      Now, just convince the MAFIAA that the other 99.999999% of people in the world aren't stealing all their products while you legitimately buy your collection.

      Good luck.

    19. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone pushing age 70 with a 30+-year-od-son, let me break it to you gently. Your kids are extremely unlikely to have any interest in the artifacts of your life unless they're readily convertible to cash. Most of my friends are at the life-stage of bitching about having to tidy up after their parents are gone. What has emotional meaning to you has zip to them.

      If you want to collect for your own pleasure, and have the time, money, and volume, enjoy. But if you're trying to justify it with leaving it to your progeny, you're kidding yourself. If your stuff isn't museum quality, It'll end up in a landfill.

    20. Re:First by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with you, it is that easy.

      I buy MP3's, no DRM. The vast majority of ebooks I buy are also DRM free.

      I have a few that came with DRM and I'm aware of removal methods for it to make them something I can hand down like all the normal books on my self. But I think the best answer is just to ignore the DRM encumbered books, let the publishers know why I don't buy them, and buy DRM free books to encourage that practice.

    21. Re:First by jc42 · · Score: 2

      I bought it, I own it, and I intend to use it as I see fit. I don't copy it and give it to others. But my son will inherit my sifi collection, and he likes sifi.

      Excellent summary and on-point my friend! Well said!

      Now, just convince the MAFIAA that the other 99.999999% of people in the world aren't stealing all their products while you legitimately buy your collection.

      Actually, they're not the ones that really matter. And neither does your arrogant attitude (or mine ;-). What matters is the attitude of the courts where you live. As long as they agree that you don't have the right to use what you bought, you in fact don't have that right, and you can legally be punished for attempting to use your collection as you see fit.

      That's what this whole issue is all about. The legal system has taken away our legal rights to what used to be legal, accepted usage of purchased chunks of "intellectual property". In the past, there was no question that you could loan, give, bequeath, or sell a book to someone else. Only a few years ago, you could also do any of these with recordings that you bought. But the publishers and recording companies have persuaded the legislators and courts to void those rights, so that you're only leasing those things for your personal use, and they can legally be taken from you at the whim of the actual owners. Publishers have even reached out and erased things that customers had purchased, and this is apparently now legal.

      This is what we have to fight.

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    22. Re:First by EdIII · · Score: 1

      So, either the fed gets a court decision, or Congress passes a new law, or the IRS makes a very bad decision and thousands of people wealthy enough to pay estate taxes start adding that to their reasons for tax revolt, and a whole bunch of state v. fed lawsuits get launched anyways.

      *snicker*

      I've had a few, and I have tears streaming down my face I have been laughing so hard.

      To think that a bunch of little bastards in their mothers basement farming for gold in a video game would cause congressional debates a few decades later about encumbered assets in wills. Mouse clicks fueled by hot pockets and Dew are responsible for grown men to be arguing about Federal vs. State and the finer points of estates, tax laws, and politics.

      The older I get the more the world just seems absurd :)

    23. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But my son will inherit my sifi collection, and he likes sifi.

      what the hell is sifi?
      standardized unit fiction?

    24. Re:First by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      Possession is 99% of ownership, and with digital goods there are couple more nines there. Repairing the file (DRM can be considered a design fault) may be illegal, but then it just becomes an issue of not getting caught.

    25. Re:First by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      it's currently not supported in the tos.

      But considering my son and I have the same name, It wouldn't really matter.

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    26. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually if you still have some cd-roms from before they became pervasive then you may have a point otherwise your disks will be lucky to survive 2 years and still be readable. The disks made now are done cheaply with materials that break down rendering them useless.

    27. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My husband recently passed away. He has a Kindle with more than 1,000 books on it. As long as I keep his Kindle I can keep the books, if I sell the Kindle the books won't go with it. Further, I cannot transfer any of his books to my Kindle account.

      He has more than $4,000.00 worth of books on his Kindle and I have no access to that money by selling his books.

    28. Re:First by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Repairing the file (DRM can be considered a design fault) may be illegal, but then it just becomes an issue of not getting caught.

      Well, yeah, but the topic of discussion is what happens to your stuff when you die. This is something that the legal folks have ways of getting involved with (for a price, of course). If you give away your digital good before you die, the legal system doesn't need to know about it, as is usual with physical goods. But digital things get a little trickier, since the legal system hasn't had much experience with it, and are taking the approach that says it's all illegal unless there's a specific law that makes it illegal. So your digital stuff is likely to just disappear (along with a portion of your money).

      The whole point of the discussion is to find ways to get our digital stuff handed over to our friends and/or families when the legal system is looking over our (dead) shoulders.

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    29. Re:First by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      When the DRM is stripped, the files can be multiplied for all the friends/families who care to have them. The legal system does not have to be told about files on a computer, only about the computer itself. Assuming no ill will within the family, the issues can be resolved later after the possession of the physical hardware is resolved.

    30. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's on CD I will ... I've run out of clay pigeons to shoot!!!

    31. Re:First by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If you're planning on passing things to your heirs, they have to be THINGS. Your best choice is analog, but that's dying. Rather than downloading music, buy CDs (the next best thing to analog). Buy books made of paper. Don't buy any games that require you to connect to the publisher's server, and stay away from anything with DRM. Your Steam account? Forget it, by the time you're dead (barring unfortunate accidents or illnesses) Steam will have been long gone, as will anybody's ability to play any of the Steam games. Meanwhile, Quake and Doom will still work, even online -- you can start your own server, as it should be.

      Honestly, I don't why any nerd would put up with DRM. Normal people? Sure, they don't know any better. We do.

      That said, you're going to lose a lot of stuff in your life, both digital and physical. As they say, "shit happens".

    32. Re:First by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

      it's a pedant detector.

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    33. Re:First by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Assuming no ill will within the family

      That's one hell of an assumption. I've knows a lot of people who died (you have that when you're 60) and far too many of them, there wasn't any ill will until the dead person's belongings are up for grabs.

  2. Too personal to be widely desirable by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Since everyone has their own collection of (digital) words and music, it's unlikely that you will suddenly develop a taste for someone-else's just because they've died and left you theirs. You may have a brief look through it, to see if it contains anything you've missed from your own collection, or you may hang on to it as a way to handle your grief.

    However you may also decide to delete the whole lot, unseen, just in case it contains the sort of "material" you'd prefer not to remember your departed loved one by.

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    1. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can chose to gift or sell them to someone else as you would with a physical library.

    2. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Put another way how many cherished commercial books and albums have you personally inherited? Maybe it's a bad question since people who have, will be more likely to answer. But for me the answer is 0. I can't even get my dad to take an interest in getting his old slides scanned so we can see our childhood photos.

    3. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by sferics · · Score: 2

      Well I have, and it's not about quantity or market value, either. There've got to be limits to this business of depossession through legal abstractions.

    4. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      Note that many public libraries are (were?) started with bequeaths of private collections. The Library of Congress was based on a gift of Thomas Jefferson's library, etc.

      My father ran into this recently. He was redoing his will and he wants to leave all of his books to his Mason lodge, since they have a large reading room. However, he's been Kindling it up now for two or three years, and it occurred to him that he wasn't going to be able to pass these on, even though the books on the Kindle are public domain and of general interest.

      Ironically, the stuff that is the most economical and profitable to put on a Kindle are public domain classics and books of foundational cultural interest, and putting them on a Kindle makes them impossible to share or disseminate.

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    5. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by drwho · · Score: 2

      It is very possible that as a person ages, there tastes may change. Sure, I put on a Devo tune every so often for fun, but I am now much more likely to listed to Back, Mozart, Brahms, etc. That's the stuff that my father loved, and which bored me when I was young. Tastes aside, wouldn't it be nice to be able to listen to your parents' music collection as a way to remember them when they're long dead? I would think so. My parents are still alive so that's not an issue yet.

    6. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Mega music collections by there nature will have lots and lots of junk you would never listen to. I for one would delete all the works of the Beatles if I didn't know that someone downtrade from me will want them.

      Also having lots of music you've never listened to is fun. Occasionally you learn things like 'fag punk' exists that you can't unlearn (kind of like the definition of 'space docking').

      I accept that I am off topic. I'm talking about libraries of pirated music. I would never buy 1% of my collection.

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    7. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      You should be able to find most popular public domain works on 'project Gutenburg'. No need to collect them, just get them if you want them.

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    8. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My brother died unexpectedly at age 28 and I, 1.5 years younger, boxed up his CDs while we were cleaning out his apartment. I've since merged them with my collection. I find it rewarding and challenging, and sometimes a little nostalgic, to listen and interpret them as my own. On my college breaks I found it intriguing to examine my father's old vinyl record collection too.

      The idea of things being "too personal" isn't specific to music or books. Whoever has the job of sorting through the detritus of life will have to work discreetly and sort certain items into the trash or recycling box, while others get highlighted and passed around for closure or utility (often a little of both). Funny things, like cooking with one of his favorite old pans, have turned out to mean more to me than I expected.

      I'm still babying the last car he bought... 1999 garage queen with just 50k miles at present. Our oldest brother took his nicely equipped bikes, and rode them for many years. These higher value items carry a different kind of burden for the survivors, as they sometimes feel more like "legacy." It can be very upsetting if you feel your loss being compounded by the legacy being taken away as well. With more an more financial and emotional resources being poured into digital legacy, I can only imagine this will become a bigger issue in the future.

    9. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who needs libraries when you can pay Time Warner $50 a month to read public domain books FOR FREE! :)

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    10. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by bipbop · · Score: 2

      Quite a lot. I come from a family of readers, and my mother in particular collected science fiction and fantasy for most of her life. She's still alive (and now 71 years old!), but I took a lot of the books with me when I moved out.

      On the other hand, my mother listens to nothing but church hymns, and my father nothing but marches. I like a lot of music, but answer to your question is zero in that particular column.

    11. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since everyone has their own collection of (digital) words and music, it's unlikely that you will suddenly develop a taste for someone-else's just because they've died and left you theirs. You may have a brief look through it, to see if it contains anything you've missed from your own collection, or you may hang on to it as a way to handle your grief.

      However you may also decide to delete the whole lot, unseen, just in case it contains the sort of "material" you'd prefer not to remember your departed loved one by.

      Utterly missing the point. The digital media library will have cost several thousands of dollars. CDs, DVDs, blu-ray, games et al, can all be redistributed to freinds, family, or even sold. Good luck trying that with your itunes and amazon digital purchases!

    12. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The usual way this happens is that they let the family go through the library and pick anything they want, then they sell what's left in a lot at auction to a used bookstore owner. This doesn't work for digital books, which makes digital books no more valuable than borrowing the book from a library or watching a streaming video from Netflix. Without permanence and individual transferability, there is no real value to "owning" a copy of the content, because no one will ever want the entire collection enough to pay any significant amount of money for it. Individuals won't because they won't like everything (and thus will consider parts of the collection as having zero value), and dealers won't because they won't be able to parcel it out and no individual will be willing to pay them much for it (because they won't like everything and...).

      For this reason, I try fairly hard not to accumulate digital books, music, movies, or non-transferrable digital software downloads. If there are alternatives, I tend to choose them even if they are more expensive, because those alternatives have actual value beyond the value of their temporary utility.

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    13. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Bandwidth is a sunk cost for me. You can download a few ebooks in seconds at the local hotspot if you aren't already online.

      My point was regarding public domain ebooks. Only a fool would pay for a locked down ebook when free alternatives are available. Make your dad aware of the free alternative. If he's got the bandwidth to download them from a paid site he can get them for free.

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    14. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bach, not Back.

    15. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Put another way how many cherished commercial books and albums have you personally inherited? Maybe it's a bad question since people who have, will be more likely to answer. But for me the answer is 0. I can't even get my dad to take an interest in getting his old slides scanned so we can see our childhood photos.

      I inherited not more than 5 books from my parents. They were big time library patrons, without enough money after putting 5 kids thru college, to amass their own collection. Turns out a couple of these books have collector value, being first editions which were handed down to my parents from my grand parents. (early Audubon stuff). So, no, most of us don't have huge libraries of stuff handed down.

      But that is water under the bridge at this point, and the discussion is about what we can hand down today. I've got an entire wall covered by bookshelves that someone will pick over when I shuffle off. I've got at least as many digital books that they may look at when they find my several nook e-readers laying around.

      Hard to say if they might want any of that, but it should be my decision to give, and their decision to receive.

      Now as to those slides, its your job to scan them.
      He has his memories. He probably never needs to even look at the slides.
      You've probably got the skills to scan them, sift them, and save them. He probably doesn't want to waste his remaining hours
      moving images from one media to another when he knows you will inherit the entire collection anyway.

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    16. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by SEE · · Score: 1

      1) Not all Kindle books are, in fact, DRMed.

      2) Those willing to do so can find tools_v5.1.zip to strip the DRM off Kindle books.

    17. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, this seems so out of place for Slashdot.

    18. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by HuguesT · · Score: 2

      There are some splendid things among church "hymns". Have you tried Bach's cantatas, or just about any of the classical requiems (Mozart, Brahms, Fauré, even Ligetti?). Among marches there are some pretty cool things too, like the Souza marches.

    19. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by anubi · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer mine in a USB stick, for the same reason I used to gleefully accept AOL floppies.

      I keep 99.9% of what music I have for the same reason I have jars full of assorted nuts and bolts I have no use for - I keep them because someone else might need it, and it costs me nothing to not throw it away. I hate to throw something away someone else might want, because so many people have given me something just because they saw I liked it.

      Life seems to work better when I take an interest in what my neighbors want. I'll get it for them if it falls in my path. They do the same for me. Life gets good.

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    20. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by TeddyR · · Score: 1

      This also can be applied to video games. I tend to stay away from "download only" games and get the physical media versions just for that reason. This is why it annoys me that some of the console game publishers are now going to a model where to play online you need an "online pass" or keycode that can only be used once to enable functionality that in the past would have been considered as part of the package.

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    21. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.
      I inherited a rather large collection of Sci-Fi books many of which are no longer in print or are available electronically.
      This collection means a great deal to me because my love of reading and sci-fi came from the person I inherited them from.

      So the idea of not being able to pass a digital collection troubles me.

      Also what about spouses ... by law in many states spouses own 50% of all assets ... including digital media how can these be split in the case of divorce or transitioned in the case of death.

    22. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Most likely, your collection will die much earlier and many times before you die.

      Take my history of emails. I never delete emails, yet my earliest email I would be able to recover from back media would be only 14 years old.

      My first email was probably dated circa 1988. When I left my position and home in 1996 I backed it up on a tape. Tape was lost.

      Same thing happened in 1998 with my next job and home switch. Latest backup is on CD. I do not own a working CD drive anymore.

      The problem with digital memorabilia is storage and cost of transfer from one (old) media to another (new) media.

      I really hope collection storage on the web will solve this problem. gmail proved to be really reliable source of storage which was able to hold my emails intact since circa 2004, through numerous computer replacements and media shift from CD to DVD to BlueRay.

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    23. Re:Too personal to be widely desirable by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I haven't inherited any yet, but I certainly "borrowed" dozens of books from my parents' bookshelves over the years. As a teenager I discovered a large stash of Asimov and Heinlein that gave me hundreds of hours of enjoyment, and fueled my interest in SF in general. I know I've found some history, travel, and modern lit on those shelves, too. Oh, and that's where I stumbled on Tolkien, too. I'm not sure what I would have done if all those books were tied up on a single reader that was sitting on my mom's or dad's night stand and being used daily so I couldn't have at it.

  3. My heirs can get the files the same way I did. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, maybe not the same way, with the ever-impending death of you-know-what, they may have to use BitTorrent or some such.

    Or they can just copy what they want of my home RAID -- which would apply even if it was all purchased DRM-free rather than downloaded. If you're dumb enough to spend good money on DRMed data, it'll probably become inaccessible before you die anyway, as companies change hands and servers are shut down.

    We need an equivalent to "white people problems" to indicate our non-sympathy for the fools who willingly ride the corporate content-rental railroad and are later shocked to learn it was for the corporation's benefit, not theirs.

    1. Re:My heirs can get the files the same way I did. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the article's precepts are really off.

      We shouldn't need to collect books and music. Only reason I do is as a hedge against copyright extremism, and because the Internet isn't always handy, and storage is cheap. And to serve as a list of stuff I like, but that's easily handled by keeping just lists, not content. This "problem" is not an issue.

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  4. You don't "own" anything any longer by erroneus · · Score: 2

    It's all a "license" now. Ownership, while not entirely a thing of the past, has changed form... or rather, has reverted in form. There is ownership and there is property. The problem is that the property is you and the ownership is someone or something else.

    1. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by tooyoung · · Score: 2

      Could someone explain to me what limitation prevents me from giving a copy of every single song I've ever purchased from Amazon or iTunes to a friend?

    2. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by thegreatemu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      copyright law?

    3. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright law doesn't prevent that - it just makes it illegal.

    4. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by tooyoung · · Score: 2

      Then to make my point more clearly in the context of the story - how do my music purchases from Amazon or iTunes die along with me? Isn't my family still able to to maintain and listen to my music collection?

    5. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To make GPs point more clearly: what you are suggesting appears to be illegal.

    6. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

      Your music 'dies' with you because your license to have them expired when you did, if not sooner. Remember, we're talking about the *AAs here, they get really touchy about their 'rights'.

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    7. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because you are licensed to play that music. The license is non-transferable. It dies when you do. For your family to listen to the collection after you die is legally no different than if they'd grabbed it all off of a p2p network.

    8. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possession is nine-tenths of the law. It's on my HDD I can do whatever I want with it once I bought it. They can whine and bitch about it all they want.

      Unless they know what I have on my computer (they seem to be working on it), they can't do anything about it.

      Computers aren't driven by laws, but by magic.

      Most used magic words in this case are "Copy" and "Paste".

    9. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by russotto · · Score: 2

      Because you are licensed to play that music.

      But private performance (i.e. "playing" the music to an audience consisting only of one's family and/or "social circle") is not one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder. So from whence did this "license to play" derive?

    10. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people can "steal" it, then people can also inherit it. Either it works like that, or I don't give a shit about the "stealing" part.

    11. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how it works for us Europeans, but it doesn't apply in the United States of 'muricah.

    12. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If people can "steal" it, then people can also inherit it."

      Your honor, the defendant conceded that he willfully inherited 289345 pirated songs, for each of them we propose the usual damages of 225,000$ per song.

    13. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could someone explain to me what limitation prevents me from giving a copy of every single song I've ever purchased from Amazon or iTunes to a friend?

      Perhaps you should do a bit more reading and a whole lot less clicking thru next time, for the answer has likely been in front of you many times over in the form of a small novel called a "EULA"...

      (don't ask me, I don't read that shit either.)

    14. Re:You don't "own" anything any longer by allo · · Score: 1

      > That's how it works for us Europeans, but it doesn't apply in the United States of 'muricah.

      Good point, i think in this discussion often the laws of american people are mixed up with those from other countries.

  5. Blind Trust? by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this a case where corporate personhood is a good thing?

    Does this mean what you should do is fire up a trust and have the trust purchase all the media? Then the trust lives on (and is ownership transfers or was likely already shared with your intended recipient(s)).

    Or is that going to get you in trouble with your trust "sharing" its media with you?

    1. Re:Blind Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you could just put your account login information in your Will.

    2. Re:Blind Trust? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are really two problems working together:

      1. Most DRM systems(and even some many non-DRMed consumer 'cloud sync' stuff) are built around the architectural assumption that a given device will have one 'account' authorized/set/whatever at a time, and each 'account' will have some set of things licensed to it. Even if you have my credentials, it is generally somewhere between 'awkward' and 'designed not to be possible' for you to actually use a union of your account and mine, or even transfer stuff from my account to yours. You can deathorize your account and authorize mine, and then be stuck with access just to my stuff, and even switch back and forth; but you generally can't transparently access the contents of both.

      2. Because this stuff is mostly distributed on a 'licensed not sold, DRM-circumvention-forbidden, the EULA owns you now, suck it peasant' basis, you likely don't have much clout in terms of getting anything in #1 changed in your favor. At best, those UI/UX decisions are just a customer support problem, at worst, you might be explicitly prohibited from accessing somebody else's account, even if they wanted you to, and Dear Old Dad's estate can get its account banhammered for even trying to let the heirs in(if detected, obviously password sharing happens all the time).

      Some sort of keeps-the-accountants-employed trust structure might have some advantages(incidentally, given the very low cost of setting up a US corporation in places like Delaware and Nevada, has anybody considered getting around the regional restrictions by purchasing through a US shell's credit card?); but it would be unlikely to save you from the fact that account aggregation is generally somewhere between unsupported and explicitly forbidden...

    3. Re:Blind Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to say this but that isn't what a blind trust is and doesn't invoke corporate personhood. Blind trusts refer to when the beneficiary of the trust does not know what property is held in trust. This would be the opposite of that. Plus, trusts don't have personhood, because they are finite entities due to the rule against perpetuities. Which leads to another problem. In order to comply with the rule, the property must pass to someone else outright otherwise odd and unexpected things happen. Especially in this case, as most licenses would be nontransferable.

    4. Re:Blind Trust? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      DRM-circumvention-forbidden

      And it's also forbidden to cross the street, except at designated crossing points. Do you always do what you're told and follow the rules? Don't be too obedient or obsequious. Instead, always remember that you don't owe these people, who claim to be your masters, anything except that which you've personally promised to deliver onto them. Without your willing and conscious consent, they cannot bind you to their one-sided "agreements".

    5. Re:Blind Trust? by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      Is this a case where corporate personhood is a good thing?

      Does this mean what you should do is fire up a trust and have the trust purchase all the media? Then the trust lives on (and is ownership transfers or was likely already shared with your intended recipient(s)).

      Regardless of the mechanism (another poster pointed out that Blind Trust isn't the right way) this idea deserves some serious consideration.

      It would seem that one of the benefits of a family corporation or some other legal entity with "personhood" rights would be the perfect licensee of digital media, because then the media could be legally shared amongst all the members of that entity, survive individual life spans, etc.

      To date, none of the services I've seen have any concept that the purchaser might not be a biological, individual human. What happens when someone purchases Kindle books on a corporate credit card? Who do they "belong" to? Yes, there is just one license, but that license could be used by anyone in the company. There must be case law about corporate ownership of licenses, but does it apply to licenses intended for individual use?

      To complicate matters, in the US we generally have a notion that anything that we license as individuals can be shared with our immediate family unless there is some active countermeasure against such sharing (and even then, what judge would convict me for stripping DRM to share an ebook with my wife?) It's utterly ridiculous to imply that a parent can't share tracks that she purchased with her child, for the child's personal use. And if the parent should die? Show me the court that would deny an orphan's access to music purchased by a dead parent.

  6. Yes, this is a valid problem by ThorGod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and just one of the many reasons I have hundreds of CDs lying around. I've bought some music and videos from iTunes. I prefer buying CDs because they're physical and tangible. Google or Apple can't decide to "close the service" and take all of my CDs away.

    For that matter, there are still recordings only to be found on vinyl. There's either too weak of a modern interest in certain albums or "not enough profit" for record companies in re-releasing them. Either way, I don't see physical media going away anytime soon.

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    1. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by timeOday · · Score: 0

      That's no reason to keep compact discs; a hard drive is tangible, too. The real question is, do you control it yourself.

    2. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      (...) There's either too weak of a modern interest in certain albums or "not enough profit" for record companies in re-releasing them. (...)

      Or the rights to the music have become a holy mess. It's typical, e.g., of 80ies/90ies indie recordings, when the artistic and commercial envirnonment was in a frenzy of development, people had too much to do in the present and didn't think about tomorrow (or didn't have an interest in tomorrow at all), most people didn't really know what they were doing, etc. And of course the copyright laws weren't up to the task of dealing with such a volatile environment. Recording artists sold rights to indie labels, which promptly went under, or were bought out by majors (who had no actual interest in the catalog), and so on. Many a band in recent years went through prolonged struggles to reaquire the rights in order to be able to rerelease albums.

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    3. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Knuckles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And then there's the frequent problem of "where the hell are the master tapes?"

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    4. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by feedayeen · · Score: 2

      ...and just one of the many reasons I have hundreds of CDs lying around. I've bought some music and videos from iTunes. I prefer buying CDs because they're physical and tangible. Google or Apple can't decide to "close the service" and take all of my CDs away.

      For that matter, there are still recordings only to be found on vinyl. There's either too weak of a modern interest in certain albums or "not enough profit" for record companies in re-releasing them. Either way, I don't see physical media going away anytime soon.

      If you are 35 right now, and you live to 80, you are going to die around the year 2055. Optical media is dying in this decade and we're at the point that my car doesn't have a CD player, laptops don't, and I don't own one because I threw mine out 5 years ago, and there are 50 tutorials on how to convert your legitimate windows disks to bootable flash drives along with all of your software install disks.

      There was a Cowboy Bebop about going to the ends of the solar system to find the last Betamax player, the only thing that might save a CD player built today is the possibility that the USB specification remains backwards compatible with devices 5 decades old, except that we're getting short range wireless communication in every device so I don't even know if that's going to last.

    5. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Let's talk about (movie) films on cellulose. Or old paintings. Or manuscripts. Or textiles. Or samurai sords. Things degrade if someone doesn't care (and continue to care) that they stay whole and in good condition. One generation of neglect and a priceless masterpiece can be lost for all time. At least with digital we can preserve a true and perfect copy.

    6. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by bobstreo · · Score: 2

      Let's talk about (movie) films on cellulose. Or old paintings. Or manuscripts. Or textiles. Or samurai sords. Things degrade if someone doesn't care (and continue to care) that they stay whole and in good condition. One generation of neglect and a priceless masterpiece can be lost for all time. At least with digital we can preserve a true and perfect copy.

      Unless George Lucas can access it

    7. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Yes (unless you find an 80 year old lady to take care of the painting), but I was referring to a pre-digital time and pretty chaotic environment, where master tapes simply got lost. Also, if your recording studio loses digital masters, you are just as screwed as with tapes. Anyway, it was just an aside about reasons for valuable music disappearing from circulation, and isn't really on topic)

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    8. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone knows Han shot first, it's right there on the DVD, which is exactly the same as what was on the VHS tape.

    9. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by berj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...and just one of the many reasons I have hundreds of CDs lying around. I've bought some music and videos from iTunes. I prefer buying CDs because they're physical and tangible. Google or Apple can't decide to "close the service" and take all of my CDs away.

      Apple can't do anything to your purchased music once it's on your hard drive. There's no DRM whatsoever on the music files. Do with them as you please. Movies can be re-encoded (probably lose quality but for me that's not a huge deal) or have their DRM stripped. Books can have their DRM stripped. I'm pretty sure that it's still legal in the US to strip DRM for your personal stuff and it definitely is in Canada (the efforts of our current government to ban it notwithstanding).

    10. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by ThorGod · · Score: 2

      LOL Your post is just so full of over assumptions and speculation that all I can do is laugh. Thank you, supremely silly person, thank you.

      1.) I'm significantly younger than 35, thank you very much. I listen to the range of music that I do because of my personal taste. I'm far from alone in having these tastes.

      2.) "Optical media is dying this decade." Oh yeah? What led you to believe that? Because Apple and a handful of laptop manufacturers sell one or two models (per manufacturer) without optical drives? Phht, I say, phht! If you want a CD player you can buy one easily enough, and will continue to be able to do so. (Cassette decks are only now becoming scarce in retail stores, and boy did the CD make them look silly.)

      3.) Surely you realize there's more to playing music than queuing something up on a computer and listening over headphones. (Not that I'm an audiophile, but there is something to be said for a quality amplifier and speaker combo. Just about anything can be plugged into them, and not all computer audio streams are created equally.)

      4.) Audio reproduction does not necessitate the use of a computer. Also, the use of a computer does not necessitate audio reproduction. There are better ways to 'consume media' than via a general purpose computer, and there are plenty of high demand uses for general purpose computers that have *nothing at all* to do with media consumption.

      Go to a used LP or used CD store sometime (yes, at least in this city they're located in different stores in different zipcodes even!). Just try and preach your views there. Report back with the results.

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    11. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      That's no reason to keep compact discs; a hard drive is tangible, too. The real question is, do you control it yourself.

      There's no reason to *not* keep them, and I continue to use them daily. Therefore, I'm keeping them.

      Hard drive backups? Yeah, been there, done that, will continue to do so. Ever heard of tape backups? They're archival quality, even!

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    12. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Velex · · Score: 2

      They didn't go to the end of the solar system to find a Betamax player. They had to go to Earth.

      Anyway, I also tend to buy CDs instead of the cloudy web 2.0 DRMed to all crap version. I guess I'm not trendy enough to use iTunes. Then I rip all my CDs to FLAC and also transcode to MP3 for use in mobile devices. Then the CD sits on my shelf and is never opened again unless I want to check something in the lyrics or look at the art.

      What GP really ought to do is get one of those USB turntables and record those vinyls to FLAC. And no, you can't tell the difference between a vinyl and a digital recording, and if you can, I have some gold-plated audio cables to sell to you. The only charm vinyls have is that they were before the era of compressing everything to hell and back so instead of the 16 bits of information you're supposed to have on a CD, the recording engineers have made sure that only 5 or 6 of those bits get used.

      The point isn't necessarily physical media, but having the data you've purchased in a format that's not DRMed. I would gladly purchase APEs or FLACs along with maybe PDF album art, but nobody wants to sell it to me that way.

      It does raise an interesting question, though, if I can put on my tinfoil hat. With all this UEFI stuff going on and the eventuality of moving away from optical media, how will I buy my music in, say, 50 years? Will there even be any kind of non-DRMed option such as the optical discs I buy today?

      I also buy paper books because I'm not quite on board with E-books mostly because of DRM. Sometimes, though, I do want a digital version, but again, nobody's selling without DRM. I've already purchased the content, but unless I want to construct a book scanner and attempt to find a good OCR solution or live with a PDF that's all images, I'm out of luck. My ideal would be to have a LaTeX file my reader can render in whatever page size or typeface size I want. So, not nearly as easy as with music there. The only alternative is buy in dead tree format and go to the Pirate Bay.

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    13. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by bipbop · · Score: 2

      And no, you can't tell the difference between a vinyl and a digital recording, and if you can, I have some gold-plated audio cables to sell to you.

      I know what you mean, but I want to clarify your point:

      • You can't tell the difference between vinyl and a digital copy of that vinyl;
      • You can tell the difference between a digital recording and a vinyl copy of that digital recording, because it degrades in a characteristic manner.
    14. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is indeed in the degradation:

      - Vinyl recordings degradate over time.

      - Digital recordings are degradated as part of the process of their creation.

      Both suffer from very characteristic degradation, but clueless listeners find degradation entirely unnoticeable as long as it's all done up front and then never changes.

    15. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're only semi-correct. Apple was selling DRM'd music for a while there (protected .aac files) and then stopped about 3 or so years into their music business. *Now* the stuff you download from iTMS is DRM free (though I think you can still opt for the DRM stuff, not sure).

      There are problems:
      -You may only have 5 machines "associated" with your Apple Store ID at any given point. (So if you do have DRM music, only authorized machines may play back your DRM'd music).
      -If your HD dies and you haven't backed up your iTMS music, then Apple is under no obligation to let you redownload your music. (This might be irrelevant now that they have a "cloud service". But, and this is a deal breaker for me, you have to allow Apple to scan your entire media library to their servers.)

      It's a better process than it was in the past, that is for sure. The other half of the discussion involves Google's media service. Considering how often Google just axes entire services and leaves users in the cold...I'm unwilling to consider buying media from them.

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    16. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...and just one of the many reasons I have hundreds of CDs lying around. I've bought some music and videos from iTunes. I prefer buying CDs because they're physical and tangible. Google or Apple can't decide to "close the service" and take all of my CDs away.

      For that matter, there are still recordings only to be found on vinyl. There's either too weak of a modern interest in certain albums or "not enough profit" for record companies in re-releasing them. Either way, I don't see physical media going away anytime soon.

      You don't? I certainly do. All it would likely take is a few more environmentalists bitching about CD media filling up landfills (even though we all know AOL had a hell of a lot more to do with that), and physical media would be banned. Or MAFIAA lawyers coming up with some other BS about physical media being "untrackable" and therefore poses a risk (read: threat) to our new society that prohibits anonymity at any time...

    17. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of tape backups? They're archival quality, even!

      Don't be too sure about that. Lots of people are finding that tapes bought and written a mere decade ago are now unreadable. This isn't an accident. If you're enough of a sucker to pay "archival quality" prices for something that hasn't passed any real-world tests (despite what the marketers may claim), they're happy to sell you the tape. They'll be long gone in a decade, and there'll be nothing you can do to them when the tape fails.

      This has generally been true for most of the history of the computer industry, with a few exceptions. There's no reason to believe the quality claims for things being sold today, given the failure rate of previous media used for backup.

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    18. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Not all true, Apple does let you re-download almost all music, book and movie files at any time now. There are a few music items from pre 2007 that aren't available, and all WarnerBrothers movies are not accessible either.

      So, you don't have to use the cloud storage at all - that's only for music you brought in from CD (which you physically own anyway).

      Most of the classic books(free ones, not penguin reprints) come with no DRM on iTunes, and the same with all music. Movies do have DRM, but that can be worked around.

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    19. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Go to a used LP or used CD store sometime

      If you can find one. They're both on the decline. Amazon ate their lunch.

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    20. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by serber · · Score: 1

      There was an option to pay (may still be there) to get rid of the DRM (~30c/song), I got rid of most of the DRM that way back in 2008. You haven't been able to pay less for DRM'd music in years though (and the "more for DRM-free" part went away too, replaced by some songs being slightly more expensive, and some old songs being slightly less so). Re-downloading previously purchased content does not require the iTunes Match cloud service, you browse it in the store interface. Match will however happily get you non-DRM'd versions of songs you have that were purchased by other iTunes accounts/countries stores though.

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    21. Re:Yes, this is a valid problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This might be irrelevant now that they have a "cloud service". But, and this is a deal breaker for me, you have to allow Apple to scan your entire media library to their servers"

      Not really - I have a minimal OS install on an HD, and can boot from that, then I can connect it to my iTunes account and re-download all my music to it. Even if Apple were to "scan my entire media library", it was empty, so they have no clue what I have. When it's done, I just copy that music where it ctually belongs.

  7. Why would your data get inaccessible then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, normally you know the default passwords of your family and/or the stuff resides on a NAS accessible for all.

  8. You never bought them in the first place by pointyhat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are just licenses these days. They are not tangible so it's hard to apply property rights to them.

    It's a great business model though - you have to buy it again rather than passing it on through death or disinterest.

    This sort of shit disgusts me, so I still buy real books and CDs. If new content is not being produced in this way, there is still plenty to read and listen to.

    1. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've downloaded hundreds (thousands?) of songs from Amazon, eMusic, and occasionally directly from a label like Warp or the artist's webpage. I can do anything I like with those files, there is no DRM, so I'm not sure how it is any different from the old Vinyl/CD model. If I wanted to I could burn it all to CDs and have a physical copy, I just don't see the need to. As it is, I'm trying to figure out what to do with the hundreds of CDs that are lying around collecting dust because I've ripped them all years ago.

    2. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CDs are also just licenses. You have the medium, with a license that applies to the owner of the medium.

    3. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      copyright law disgusts you, so you keep buying cds and funding the very people who lobby for this bullshit?

    4. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then quit funding this immoral industry. Piracy is the correct way to go.

    5. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Solandri · · Score: 1

      It's exactly like the DIVX format (the short-lived DVD format pushed by Circuit City, not the codec). You're licensed to use the format for x hours. With DIVX, x = 48 hours. With DRM-encrusted media, x = 60-70 years on average. The only reason people accept it when they rejected DIVX is because by the time x expires, they'll be dead so it won't be their problem.

      It's ironic that the greatest invention ever for allowing people to share information with everyone else on the planet has sprouted an industry hell-bent on preventing people from sharing information. I hope within my lifetime, people will finally wisen up and realize we can't put this genie back in its bottle, and the world will actually be a lot better off with the genie out.

    6. Re:You never bought them in the first place by stretch0611 · · Score: 1

      Maybe this is a good reason for copyright reform...

      They are just licenses these days. They are not tangible so it's hard to apply property rights to them.

      A good point. As said before, when you die your collection dies with you.

      It's a great business model though - you have to buy it again rather than passing it on through death or disinterest.

      It does help the author/rights holder if people are forced to buy new copies. Yet if copyright laws were reformed and we drop the ludicrous life + 70 years and adopt a more modest 25 years, or something like the 14 years plus a 14 year renewal if the person was still alive like the original copyright bill, it really wouldn't matter because all digital books and music that you can no longer leave as inheritance would actually have a good chance of being public domain when you die. (or soon thereafter.)

      Unfortunately, trying to get our corrupt politicians to do anything in the interest of the people with all the Mickey Mouse lobbyists in DC will never happen.

      This sort of shit disgusts me, so I still buy real books and CDs. If new content is not being produced in this way, there is still plenty to read and listen to.

      I here you... While I buy technical texts in digital format (more for ease of use, searching, cheaper, and much lighter to haul around,) I still prefer to have actual books for reading. I can read them with a candle or flashlight if the power is out, or while camping, and when I am done, I can even loan them out (or just give them away) to friends.

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    7. Re:You never bought them in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "CDs are also just licenses. You have the medium, with a license that applies to the owner of the medium."

      Very sadly this is very true. Next time your dog chews up one of your CDs, try to get the music company to sell you a replacement for less than full retail. Hint - they won't. Even though you had already bought a license to that music, and you SHOULD be able to get a replacement disc for only the replacement cost, they don't work that way.

  9. Problem solved for me by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

    I have the unusual habit of paying writers directly after downloading their books on warez sites. So as far as I'm concerned, my books are paid for and readable by anyone who happens to inherit them after I die.

    Not that I give a toss about what happens after I die, mind you...

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    1. Re:Problem solved for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good luck proving that in court.

    2. Re:Problem solved for me by erroneus · · Score: 1

      It's not the creators your have to pay. It's the "rights holders."

      Morally, you might feel justified but the legal system has nothing to do with morality.

    3. Re:Problem solved for me by adosch · · Score: 1

      I have the unusual habit of paying writers directly after downloading their books on warez sites. So as far as I'm concerned, my books are paid for and readable by anyone who happens to inherit them after I die.

      Not that I give a toss about what happens after I die, mind you...

      Although I agree, I really don't because it doesn't sound you have you ever had to go through a deceased family members belongings and disseminate it between the immediate kin. For you and me in 50 years, we're talking about 'digital media' here on a boat-load of CDs, DVDs, or some sort of ssd/spinning storage media, not tangible items.

      It was easy to inherit vinyl records, cassette tapes, books, developed photos, movies are a bit of a stretch (because home recording devices were VERY expensive back then), because you had them in your possession, could hold onto them, look at them at a glance and see their monetary or personal worth. Who's going to look at your stack of media and go through the trouble of finding an older technology device to see what's on it?

    4. Re:Problem solved for me by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      I'd love seeing them subpoena him after he's died. What they gonna do, put his casket in jail for contempt of court?

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    5. Re:Problem solved for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ignorance is cute. Since it's the living "inheritor" who's claiming the right to use the works, it is s/he who will be cornholed in court, no the deceased.

  10. Updated regulation is needed by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They need to make DRM illegal. Sorry, but once you release something, copyright has always been based on honor. By creating mechanisms to lock down content, it is taking it out of the peoples' hands.

    By pointing out that things are "lost" and then correcting the truth to reveal that nothing was "lost" because the notion of ownership was an illusion in the first place proves what has been stolen from under our noses.

    Now you have a "license" for particular works on your ipod, but not your car stereo or anywhere else. If you want the same content there, you have to pay again and again. And if for some reason you violate the license terms, you might just lose it all. The point is to note who is in control. Those who are in control are the owners. Since you don't have control over your iPhone or other devices which are locked down, you don't own it either.

    These are all truths that people have a hard time accepting.

    1. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Although it's most likely the DRM provider will hit the bucket before you.

      There is in short no non-idiotic advantage of DRM.

    2. Re:Updated regulation is needed by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 1

      Rubbish. When I buy something on iTunes for my phone it's DRM free. If I want to put it on my iPad it's DRM free. If I want to play it in my car I burn it to a CD and its DRM free.

    3. Re:Updated regulation is needed by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      I see nothing wrong with de-DRM-ing stuff which I pay for. I understand that that may be illegal in some places, but it's not where I am, AFAIK. So whenever I buy a kindle ebook for example, I de-DRM it and back it up in a couple of places, in a few different formats as well. It's a bit tedious but it lets me use what I've paid for in whatever manner I want to...

      DRM bypassing isn't all that hard if you know where to look. I haven't come across a system yet which isn't cracked within a reasonably short time. I would have suggested making things like bypassing DRM illegal (I believe it's the DMCA which prevents this?) but making DRM illegal will work even better, I think. Good suggestion.

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    4. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Plekto · · Score: 1

      Used record/CD store. $1-$3. Rip them yourself. No DRM, no idiocy, and you have the physical copy which is still worth nearly as much as you paid for it.

    5. Re:Updated regulation is needed by MLCT · · Score: 1

      Can you copy the file to a usb stick? Could that file then be played without requiring an apple product? If you can't (by design) then that is digital rights management. Simple. DRM isn't copyright protection, it is any number of enforced restrictions on what you can do with something you have paid for - not enforced retrospectively by law (e.g. If you chose to illegally redistribute the song), but enforced pro-actively by software/hardware restrictions.

      Burning to a cd as an audio cd is a workaround - and it is a workaround because there are far far simpler solutions (copying the file, or exporting to mp3 or exporting to wav) that are AFAIK, disallowed for itunes purchased material.

    6. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Mitreya · · Score: 2

      By creating mechanisms to lock down content, it is taking it out of the peoples' hands.

      My favorite part is where no one ever worries about DRM needing to expire. One day (long after we all die, but still) the DRM-ed works are going to go into public domain.
      Why doesn't all DRM have a kill switch to support that need?

    7. Re:Updated regulation is needed by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Until the technology that plays the media is out of manufacture or banned or both.

      Do you have any wax cylinder players? 8 Track recordings or players? Cassette tapes or players?

      Both the media and the players are temporary. The content must be preserved by changing formats over the years. So while your solution of "that's why I only buy CDs" is ridiculously temporary.

      Human legacy is in jeopardy and most people can't see beyond a couple of decades or their own personal interests.

    8. Re:Updated regulation is needed by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      So your solution is to pile on more and more controls, rules and laws, where the actual problem IS the controls, rules and laws? Well, that will surely work this time, why not?

      --

      The actual solution is to get rid of copyright and patent law altogether. Let the people and companies do whatever they have to do to compete in the market without the government handing them a monopoly.

    9. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Plekto · · Score: 1

      True, but for the next 40 or 50 years, it's 100% likely that record players and CD players will still be available. So the entire library of music, worldwide, from about 1940-2010 will be available to me to use if I wish. What future generations do with it hardly matters as I have the physical originals and the digital copies of them.

    10. Re:Updated regulation is needed by jittles · · Score: 1

      Can you copy the file to a usb stick?

      Yes.

      Could that file then be played without requiring an apple product?

      Yes. The only exception I have found to this is the aax format used by Audible. Nothing but Apple products seems to handle that format natively. But you can convert it to the same format iTunes uses for its music, and then play it where ever you'd like.

      If you can't (by design) then that is digital rights management. Simple. DRM isn't copyright protection, it is any number of enforced restrictions on what you can do with something you have paid for - not enforced retrospectively by law (e.g. If you chose to illegally redistribute the song), but enforced pro-actively by software/hardware restrictions.

      All new purchases on iTunes are DRM free. Same with Amazon's music service.

      Burning to a cd as an audio cd is a workaround - and it is a workaround because there are far far simpler solutions (copying the file, or exporting to mp3 or exporting to wav) that are AFAIK, disallowed for itunes purchased material.

      Apple has not required you to burn your music to CD for many years. If you have older songs you may need to do that to remove the DRM, but only older purchases. There is also software that will remove the DRM without burning to a CD, but those cost money. I paid $20 for the software that converts my audiobooks into DRM free formats that maintain the chapter and other info. But again, that is Audible and not iTunes.

    11. Re:Updated regulation is needed by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Music, yes. Video, books, and executables? I hope you like 'fairplay'...

    12. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because DRM is not about copyright -- DRMing public domain works is perfectly feasible. Public domain doesn't grant you a right to easily copy things, it merely removes the author's "right" to legally forbid you from copying. They can still make it technically difficult.

      Also because copyright will never expire, it'll just keep getting extended.

    13. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the technology that plays the media is out of manufacture or banned or both.

      Uh, did you read the part about "Rip them yourself. No DRM,..."? That puts the music into currently used format. Next change of format, there will be format converters just like there is now. The same is true for books - deDRM the books & change them into whatever format you want.

      Software to do format conversion is available free of cost, & no doubt available for purchase as well.

      Anyone who does not deDRM their files isn't paying attention.

      Thomas Stockham [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Stockham] of U. of Utah did some work restoring Enrico Caruso recordings, tho I don't know offhand if the originals were on wax cylinders. Anything with electronic speaker playback can readily be digitized. Ultimately, if no one bothers to keep formats up to date, then obviously it is not important to them.

    14. Re:Updated regulation is needed by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 1

      Also because copyright will never expire, it'll just keep getting extended.

      Sonny Bono's great great grandchildren have to eat too, you insensitive clod.

    15. Re:Updated regulation is needed by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Where are you? Because it's illegal in the US, all of Europe and Australia. Not yet Canada - an effort was made to ban circumvention there in Bill C-60, C-61 and C-32. Each failed and was reintroduced next session, thus the new numbers. Sooner or later one will get through. C-32 almost passed, only failing on a procedural issue.

    16. Re:Updated regulation is needed by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The simplist format for audio is uncompressed PCM. It's a format so trivial that so long as the byte-stream is preserved, even if all playing hardware and software is destroyed in an unusually selective apocolypse a moderatly-skilled person can reverse-engineer the format and reimpliment from scratch.

    17. Re:Updated regulation is needed by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot is made up crap like this ending comically in "these are all truths that people have a hard time accepting", marked as 5 interesting.

    18. Re:Updated regulation is needed by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      South Africa. I'm almost certain there are no laws against it, and if there are, there are no authorities capable of (or intelligent enough to) enforcing them.

      Mind you, just because it's illegal, doesn't stop you from doing it. I'd do it even if I was in the US, because that law is morally reprehensible to me. Bleargh.

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      One thing I know, and that is that I am ignorant...
    19. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Bill+Dog · · Score: 1

      But if competition is good, and competition includes theft, then the police and courts should be gotten rid of as well.

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    20. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of "DRM Free" do you not understand?

    21. Re:Updated regulation is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I see nothing wrong with de-DRM-ing stuff which I pay for."

      I agree with you entire statement, but the problem is - WHY? Why is all this dancing required? That's what needs to go away, but I realize that it won't.

    22. Re:Updated regulation is needed by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      Agreed... but while it doesn't go away there are ways around it.

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  11. The easy solution by next_ghost · · Score: 1

    The easy solution is to not leave the content you've paid for tied to some account maintained by big corporations.

  12. One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I buy CD's. I buy books. I rip my CD's to a lossless format for use among my many devices. Fuck the cloud. Fuck DRM. Fuck the downloads. Fuck the RIAA. Fuck em all. My stuff will be in boxes when I die for my people to do with as they please. No permission required from anyone.

    1. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I buy CD's. I buy books. "

      How about _reading_ one, especially a Grammar one.

    2. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is "Grammar" now capitalized anywhere in a sentence? Since you seem to have a problem with someone buying things rather than renting I am left to assume that you a corporate shill. BMI perhaps?

    3. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      My stuff will be in boxes when I die for my people to do with as they please.

      Damn right. I don't expect to live long enough to be a burden on my children, but I can get even by leaving them an attic and basement full of random shit for them to sort through.

    4. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you really want to get even then visit when them when they are grown. Print full pages of solid primary colors on their printers. Stomp through the house. Dirty EVERY glass and leave just a 1/4 of an ounce in it and leave it in the refrigerator. Place new bars of soap in a glass of water. Use a half of a bottle of shampoo at a pop. Unwind ALL the toilet paper. What am I forgetting?

    5. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      My wife and I have promised to come to their houses for dinner and say "I don't like it" before we taste it - and fight at the table.

    6. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by Guppy · · Score: 1

      What am I forgetting?

      Lego caltrops on the floor.

    7. Re:One day they will rot away almost certainly.... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      What am I forgetting?

      Buy their kid a drumset. And the other kid a Mr. Microphone.

  13. piracy is superior once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my movies, tv shows, and music are on several hds inside of an htpc for which the wife and several friends know the root pw

    they will be available to my heirs when i die

    sucks to be you people who "bought" media from amazon and apple, I own the stuff I downloaded from piratebay, can you say the same for your "legitimate" copies?

    1. Re:piracy is superior once again by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 1

      You don't own anything it is just in your possesion.

    2. Re:piracy is superior once again by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      You possess a copy, you don't own it. If this distinction seems minor to you, try using a piece of music you think you "own" in a game that you write or in a movie you make and you'll find out what the true status is.

    3. Re:piracy is superior once again by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You possess a copy, you don't own it.

      I own the damned copy. Ownership of a copy is recognized in copyright law, and a separate thing from ownership of the copyright or a license to any of the rights which make up copyright. A lot of publishers attempt to claim you don't even own the copy, some convincingly (e.g. a rental DVD), some rather less so (e.g. a product with an EULA printed within the packaging of a product you bought from a middleman.)

    4. Re:piracy is superior once again by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      True for physical media, yes. That is how it works if you buy a CD or a book. But electronic copies are something else entirely.

    5. Re:piracy is superior once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But electronic copies are something else entirely.

      Where exactly is this distinction? The 1s and 0s on a CD are somehow more real than the 1s and 0s on my HDD simply because I can't rearrange them into a different pattern? My HDD is just as physically solid as a CD.

    6. Re:piracy is superior once again by geekmux · · Score: 1

      You possess a copy, you don't own it. If this distinction seems minor to you, try using a piece of music you think you "own" in a game that you write or in a movie you make and you'll find out what the true status is.

      There is a very large and fundamental difference between a digital book being wiped off my eReader without my consent and me choosing to plagiarize said book for recognition or reward. Let's not get off topic here and confuse what most people know is a true violation of copyright vs. "intended use".

    7. Re:piracy is superior once again by geekmux · · Score: 1

      True for physical media, yes. That is how it works if you buy a CD or a book. But electronic copies are something else entirely.

      (opens eBook)

      File----Print.

      Go ahead and tell me again how it is different now?

    8. Re:piracy is superior once again by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Ebook services require you to agree to a license agreement. As the sale is of a license and not a physical object, the first sale doctrine does not apply.

    9. Re:piracy is superior once again by russotto · · Score: 1

      So who does own the bits of rust on my spinning disk which happen to embody a copy of the ebook? If it's in flash, does each cell have an owner depending on which ebook resides there?

  14. Whats that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean owning a real physical copy is in many ways more desirable than renting a license from apple/amazon/steam.

    YOU DONT SAY?

  15. Share account before you die? by alen · · Score: 1

    Duh

    Problem solved in a common sense way

    Amazon and apple sell un drm music so that's not an issue

  16. Physical devices can be inherited by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    In the small odds my kindle is still running when I die, I'd be happy to leave it to a grandkid.

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    1. Re:Physical devices can be inherited by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      In the small odds my kindle is still running when I die, I'd be happy to leave it to a grandkid.

      Who will likely use it as a tea cozy.

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    2. Re:Physical devices can be inherited by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

      Who will likely use it as a tea cozy.

      I was visiting a friend last night when I asked if I could borrow a newspaper.
      'This is the 21st century', he said. 'I don't waste money on newspapers. Here, you can borrow my iPad.'
      I can tell you, that poor fly never knew what hit it...

  17. Stop being lazy. by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Get off your ass head down to the bookstore and browse the shelves. People buy books online because it is easy to do so from the mothers basement in your underwear. And if you are engaged in that sort of behaveour you will not have anyone to inherit your stuff so its a non-issue. I preffer to grab a large double-double head down to the store enjoy myself and sometime I meet people that I can have inteligent conversations with, people that have the same interests I do.

    1. Re:Stop being lazy. by ctid · · Score: 1

      The issue is that we're all different. As an example, in the old days, when I went on holiday on the continent I used to take six or seven paperback books with me. There was no point in carrying them back to England, so I left them in hotel rooms or coffee shops when I finished with them. A few years ago, I decided to have a clear out of books that I had read and would be unlikely to read again. I probably took five hundred or so to charity shops, but I still have more than a thousand books lying around in my apartment. I wouldn't call myself "lazy" but I possibly read differently to the way you read.

      Having a Kindle has revolutionised my reading, but of course using it a lot means that after I die I'll be leaving some of my property to Amazon rather than to my family. This is an interesting problem - other people will have the same issue relating to music. It's not just a question of being "lazy".

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    2. Re:Stop being lazy. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose you ever left behind a copy of 'Lilith' in a holiday cabin. If so, thank you. I took that one myself to finish, and left 'Beak of the Moon' in it's place.

    3. Re:Stop being lazy. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I preffer to grab a large double-double head down to the store enjoy myself

      How many bookstores let you walk in while chowing down on a double cheeseburger? Am I the only one who thinks this behavior is strange?

    4. Re:Stop being lazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most of North America a double double is a coffee with two cream and two sugar. And yes they do.

  18. Hard Copy? by Plekto · · Score: 1

    This is yet another reason I don't have any online music, e-books, or other media, and still prefer the old-fashioned physical types.

    Plus, it's fun to go out and get records for a dollar or two at the local used music store and rip them myself. $1 for a record of 10-12 songs. That's excellent economics and the quality doesn't need to be perfect if it's being compressed anyways. Used books? You can buy almost any fictional novel these days for under $3, used. Most are closer to a dollar.

  19. And photos and all other digital media by bernywork · · Score: 1

    Ultimately, yep, we're all going to lose this stuff unless we keep backups. People lost photos and data in house fires, it's going to become questions in later generations of what's actually worthwhile keeping. Photos of you with your trousers around your ankles out drunk on some random sat night might be hilarious to you on facebook now, but they aren't going to mean anything to your grandchildren. I think ultimately, a lot of this stuff needs to be forgotten....

    We're going to lose our music and our books, this is why we have copyright libraries around the world, to keep this stuff for our future generations. As long as Disney don't get their way (They'd better not) this stuff will all hit public domain and our grandchildren will get access to all this anyway.

    Honestly, I don't know how much of a loss this really is and whether it's worth talking about in the grand scheme of things..

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    1. Re:And photos and all other digital media by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Photos of you with your trousers around your ankles out drunk on some random sat night might be hilarious to you on facebook now, but they aren't going to mean anything to your grandchildren. I think ultimately, a lot of this stuff needs to be forgotten....

      On the contrary, those are EXACTLY the photos I wish I had. I loathe staged portraits. Some candids of my older relatives when they were young would be very interesting to me. The staged event portraits (weddings, graduations, etc.)? Couldn't give a fuck about those (I don't even care about MY staged portraits).

  20. Perhaps this is what will save paper by rbrander · · Score: 2

    My most cherished possessions are books that have come down through three generations from a great-grandfather.

    I wouldn't count on any e-publisher catering to your desire to pass your "possessions" on; indeed, they may finally come out and state it plainly that you're just renting the content. If prodded on the issue that you'd value the ability to pass them on, they'll probably say something to the effect that that this would create real problems for them - since people would use the mechanism to pass books from person to person weeks apart, letting 10 kids in a classroom all read one copy of The Hunger Games - whereas the "legitimate" usage of passing them on at death is not valued by most buyers, as its just too far in the future.

    Ironic, that viewpoint, since they also claim that authors need 100 years of copyright AFTER their own death, as they value that so terribly much, without it, they'll never write the book.

    1. Re:Perhaps this is what will save paper by Plekto · · Score: 1

      You hit upon the real reason driving this, though. Which is that a book usually DOES go through several owners before it becomes unreadable. And a bunch of kids in a classroom do share a single book in some poorer areas of the world. Of course they hate the idea of re-sale since they no longer have control of it. Their wet dream is to find a way to force each and every person who ever reads it to pay full price for a new copy.

      You see this with video games as well. Almost every game now is essentially online-only and you have to pay a rather large fee if you buy the game used to play online. The publishers have been trying for over twenty years to drive places like Gamestop out of business and move towards a digital-only model.

  21. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt it makes much difference. My dad has a few first edition hardcovers signed by the author and science textbooks I would probably keep. The rest of his books would get donated. And we don't have the same taste in music, so those CDs would probably get sold off as well. As for electronic files, I really don't think much of modern entertainment is worth keeping around anyway. Access to books, music, films, etc in the digital age won't be like actually owning them. You will be renting them as long as you pay up.

    Probably would have been best to stay in the analogue world, but so it goes.

  22. They were never alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so no. And unless you wrote the book yourself and never published it, there are lots of copies. If I die, do you think I'll have the only copy of Ringworld?

  23. Familie accounts by grumbel · · Score: 1

    The problem already starts long before death, as how to you even share those books and other digital goods with the rest of your family? Do you give your Kindle device to your kids? Do they get their own but reuse your account? What if they get their own account? What about games on Steam, etc.? A lot of digital services right now don't really have a clean way of sharing digital goods with the rest of the family and many form of sharing might be considered a TOS violation. What about when it comes to a divorce who gets the library? All those issues start long before death comes into play, they essentially start right when you want to interact with another human being.

  24. Not really by fermion · · Score: 2
    First, anyone who has a password to our accounts for all practical intents and purposes owns the content. When one dies, as long as some can get onto you equipment they have access to content.

    Second we really don't know where the DRM movement is going. The only thing impeding the transfer of ownership is the DRM. If there is no DRM, then pretty much no one owns it. We simply pay a sum to reward the stakeholders, and hopefully the creator.

    Third, the widespread ownership of such content is relatively recent phenomena. Conservatives outlets like the WSJ want us to believe that this is the way it has always been, and will always be, but that is not true. For books, it has been at most a couple hundred years that cheap books have been available so the average person could have a big collection, and more likely a hundred is a better estimate. We probably had have large collection of vinyl for 50 years of so. Movies has only been priced to sell in the consumer market since the 80's.

    So what does this mean? A changing definition of ownership. If I have an LP or a VHS or a book, I only own a copy, nothing else. If I the copy is destroyed or lost, there is not legal right for a replacement of the content. If one had money for a cassete recorder, or a copy machine or a second VCR, one could make a copy, but there are generational losses, and copying on large scales to make a backup of everything was very time consuming. WIth a CD and a computer one was able to own the content for the first time, but that has only been around for less than a generation.This kind of forms a background on why music is not copy protected as much as books and movies.

    One may complain that one has to pay $10 a month for movies, and if one does not pay, one loses the collection, but what has one lost? What does ownership really mean in terms of real history, not that made up by the WSJ. It is true that if one has a collection of books those books could be converted to a small amount of cash. The real value of books and music, at least in my upbringing, was the culture and education they provided. This far surpassed any cash value. And think of this. I don't have the vast collection of my father's books and music because he let go of books over the years, as they are very bulky to move, and the records were destroyed in a flood. OTOH if the books and music were on Amazon, and I had his password, I would.

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    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:Not really by Jiro · · Score: 1

      First, anyone who has a password to our accounts for all practical intents and purposes owns the content. When one dies, as long as some can get onto you equipment they have access to content.

      The license can't be transferred. If they get the content by using the password after the owner's death, that's legally no better than if they just torrented everything. In that case, they could just as well skip the middleman and actually torrent everything. The DRM is limiting the physical transfer of ownership, but there's also the legal transfer of ownership to consider.

  25. No rights, and no expectation of rights by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

    You don't own the things you buy, you're just licensing them. Since the licenses aren't transferable, that's the end of that story. It sucks, but at the same time, these services have a right to dictate the terms that you're purchasing under. By using the service and buying from them, you agree to those terms, so you don't have much of a right to complain about them.

    There are two valid solutions to this:

    1) Only buy physical media. Yes, it can be kind of a pain in the ass sometimes, but it's the only way to guarantee that you absolutely and irrevocably own what you're buying.

    2) Only support digital businesses that don't use copy protection. This may mean going without the latest top 40 music download or the hottest new ebook, but in this age of self-publishing, there's a vast array of unrestricted content available, much of it wonderful. The people producing it are far more likely to appreciate the purchase, and you won't just be lining the pockets of companies fighting to take away your rights.

    Some people may say that piracy is a valid option, but even discounting any moral arguments around it, all you're doing is giving companies reason to further lock down content. If nobody is buying their stuff AND nobody is pirating it, they'll have no scapegoat, and will be forced to make a real change. Meanwhile, you'll be helping the actual authors / musicians / etc. make a living off of their works and avoid the publishing middlemen.

    1. Re:No rights, and no expectation of rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hold on. We DO have a right to complain. Copyright is a SOCIAL CONTRACT, and the other side keeps moving the goal posts WITH OUR MONEY. We The People(theoretically) decide what copyright is or isnt, not the holders

  26. Update Berne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Transferring digital assets in probate isn't IP's only problem. The primary international treaty governing copyright, the Berne Convention, has been revised since the 1970s, so there's virtually nothing about digital issues in it.

    The key problem is that, here and abroad, crony capitalism reigns supreme. Legislative bodies only listen when deep pocketed lobbyists speak. Copyright extension, bad as it was, was bought by Disney et al. Being responsible, financially and otherwise, simply isn't on the typical legislator's to-do list. Getting reelected and getting rich are. In the U.S., for instance, there are laws against you or I engaging in trivial levels are insider trading. There are no laws that keep members of Congress from investing in companies that they're benefiting with legislation.

    And Amazon, Apple, Google and the rest, have no interest in seeing this change. With the laws unsettled, they're in a position exploit that vacuum. Transferring digital assets at death is on the same legal level as a used digital music and ebook market. Neither Amazon nor Apple want that. And Google, copier of much that is copyrighted but out of print, wants to settle problems with orphan authors (i.e. the Google Book Settlement) in ways that benefit it alone. And almost daily we see how these corporate giants are using patent and trademark law to stifle competition. In a similar fashion, Amazon is using clueless (or worse) lawyers at the DOJ to attack Apple and the publishing industry, so it can resume it's drive to dominate print and ebook distribution here

    And the tech press isn't doing any of us a favor. It's dominated by faddish geeks obsessed with the next new gadget, geeks who know nothing about law and little about how life in general works. As a result, they're easy to manipulate, the nonsense they wrote during the debate about the Google Book Settlement being one example.

    Our core problem, though, lies with voters. A disturbingly high percentage of the U.S. now see the federal government as a 'sugar daddy' who sends them money. They'll vote for anyone, no matter how crooked, who claims their government money gravy train is threatened. The rich get bailouts when their finances turn sour and subsidies under Obama's pseudo-stimulus scheme. The poor get promised also sorts of government benefits unrelated to actually working for a living. The people who get shafted are those who work honest and hard, particularly those who create new businesses and jobs.

    And our economy is in a mess because no one who could be creating good jobs wants to battle an Obama administration that is making clear it'll tax any money they make, regulate them to the strangulation point, attach them (i.e. Gibson Guitar) if they don't contribute politically to Democrats Chicago style, and claim to be virtuous doing so.

    And worst of all, there are many, particularly in our news media, that believe those claims of virtue are true.

  27. Yes by Megahard · · Score: 2

    I'm building a pyramid to store all my worldly possessions with my mummified body after I die.

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    I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
    1. Re:Yes by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I am printing out all my data and building the pyramid out of the reams of paper as a monument to myself.

      But I am having my body wood chipped, frozen then used as chum for all my friends to go deep sea fishing.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a scheme you may be interested in.

  28. Already planning to pass on my main e-mail account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    to my son, who shares the same first and last name (different middle though).

    Hopefully he'll do the same and this will continue in the family for as long as there is e-mail.

  29. The big question is ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... would Ron Paul support making sure we keep these rights through government laws and enforcement?

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    now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  30. Easy...form a Foundation by drwho · · Score: 1

    This is the easy one. Just do what the rich do to get around inheritance tax: form a non-profit foundation, which buys all the music on yer ipod, the foundation is immortal so there's no issues about inheritance. You can start a non-profit org really cheaply, but the yearly paperwork involved varies state to state (NY state requires yearly reports to be filed).

  31. Legally by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Most digital content is not linked to you or your life at all and exists under an account. You can pass on the username and password like any other object.

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    Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
  32. Call me a Pinko... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but I don't see why a person should have a right to something just on account of the fact that their parent had it and died. If you ask me, this is a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:Call me a Pinko... by drwho · · Score: 1

      you're a pinko communist good-for-nothing.

  33. My family by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

    doesn't care about the majority of my books and music. What they DO care about, they have their own copies of. Many things legally (because we obviously consider it worth the money and want the makers to make more good stuff), some things not.

    Instead of having to clean out a house full of junk and trying to sell books and music that pretty much no one wants - so it ends up being shuffled between thrift stores or simply thrown away - when I die, my kids will just have to erase kindles and mp3 players. If there is something of mine they want but can't get from my stuff for some reason, it's sure to be pirateable.

  34. Re:Not all of us. by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Already have. For definitions of accumulate=pirate.

    As to what will happen to it after I die? Doesn't matter. Anybody that I know who wants a copy can have one while I'm alive. It takes three days just to copy the music (granting that's going from average SATA drive RAID to a USB2 external).

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  35. Mine wont. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    As I violently violate the law and strip out the DRM from every purchase. it's mine, I dont care about their TOS, I'm going to get rid of their restrictions and make sure my purchases cant be stolen from me.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:Mine wont. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I don't believe they have a problem with people who purchase these things.

      It's those who copy it around without paying the copyright holder that's their issue.

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      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    2. Re:Mine wont. by genkernel · · Score: 1

      The laws that the RIAA folks got passed would say otherwise, with very stiff penalties.

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      Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
    3. Re:Mine wont. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "I don't believe they have a problem with people who purchase these things."

      Then why is what I am doing considered ILLEGAL?

      sorry, but if you ask any RIAA or MPAA executive they will tell you that I am the scourge of the earth for doing it and I should go to jail for it.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  36. Re:Not all of us. by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But what about your porn????

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    Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
  37. As usual they don't see the BIG picture by kcredden · · Score: 2

    The concept of 'you don't own anything any longer' or copyright law is not a true law; it's a corporation law. A law 'of the land' for example - Murder - is one that is enforced by peace officers, and the judicial system. It is also very binding too. As in, your ass is in jail for a long time. Corporation law against individuals, on the other hand is nearly unenforceable, and cannot easily be found out. For now, RIAA/MPAA cannot come into your systems and snoop to see if you have the latest copy of Beaver's song, and find out if you bought it legally or not. Probably not even economically feasible. Yes Corporations perform corporate extortion (IE: RIAA saying "pay us $5,000 for our precious copyright infringement or else we'll sue you into economic bondage) but that is becoming increasingly rare and also it's if they can find out. But onto the topic. Copyright law may say "you cannot do anything but kiss our rumps." But in practically, they cannot do a thing to stop individuals from actually making MP3s of every song they own. (and If I pay money for something, I own it.) Or converting every book, DVD, etc to an open, non-DRM format. The WSJ may be a good paper, but they're missing the big picture. Individuals cannot be stopped, and the idea of dying with all this DRM blocked digital works is frankly a dead issue. Only ones who do not want to take a bit of time to exercise their rights and are sheep are at risk.

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    -- Kevin C. Redden kcredden@ gmail 392992 .com (take out the 392992 for e-mailing me. Spam control)
  38. Why not look ate the core problem? by houghi · · Score: 1

    When I die, things will belong to those who inherit it. They will get the things I own. This is including my car including the gasoline in that car and also any debts I have.

    If you have books from the library, they will still belong to the library when I die. They will not suddenly belong to those who I mentioned in my will.
    Things I do not own, they will not get. e.g. they will not get my car if it is leased. I am not the owner, so they do not get it from me. It was never mine to give away.

    And here lies the REAL issue. We do not own the things we think we own. We do not actually buy things, we lease or borrow them.
    The music does not belong to us. I can imagine a future where people will not be able to actually own things. Your clothes will be owned by whatever brand you wear. Your music belongs to Apple. Your OS belongs to Microsoft. Your computer belongs to Dell.

    And then you owe your soul to the company store.

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  39. (still the same fast Cowboy AC, different ip now): by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there tastes may change

    That should be "they're tastes may change".

    Schnork.

  40. A more immediate issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've wondered about this very issue as my kids begin to use digital media players. How soon do I need to create accounts for them in their names so they can take their collections with them when they leave home. Right now we have one digital music account with minimal content, but I see my kids beginning to drive and increase in content.

  41. Re:Not all of us. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Slightly smaller then the music as measured in bytes. Much smaller when measured in minutes play time. I've barely got 3 years of porn (queued up 1 after the other). That's about 1 years production of the American porn industry IIRC.

    Collections seem to develop inertia of their own.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  42. The TrueCrypt BackUps Challenge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the first family member who can crack all of the 40+ char TrueCrypted backups, wins!

  43. Only iPod owning morons have to worry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's that massive pile of bloatware iTunes doing for ya?

    Only idiots buy iPods - too stupid to even know how to drag and drop some folders onto an MP3 player, when it appears as an external drive on their computer.

    Most people don't even know how to organise their OWN bloody music into folders, so the piece-of-shit iPod ORGANISES it all for you!

    I bought an iPod once - I have all my MP3 files in lettered folders, easy to navigate:
    A-F
    G-L
    M-R
    S
    T-Z

    Within those folders I have folders title by artist's name, or when there are too few songs by a given artist, then by genre, and only a few of those - such as 'Dance', 'Love' (for romantic music and love songs), things like that.

    I copied all the files over to my iPod with iTunes, and when I tried to access my folders - the shitty iPod wouldn't let me see the folders, instead choosing to TELL me what how it wanted me to search my music, which it had now reorganised by 'genre', according to whatever the ID3 tags said - which I NEVER use.

    And that is the sort of moron who owns an iPod - somebody who doesn't even LIKE music, they just see everybody else doing it, and like the Emperor's New Clothes, they PRETEND to like music. You can always spot these idiots - they are the ones who talk all the way through concerts, which they've PAID to go and listen to! They are the ones who can't sing a SINGLE song from memory, which they claim to 'like'. That would be MOST people.

  44. No shit, Sherlock by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Dazza Greenwood of MIT's Media Lab said it's time to reform and update IP law...

    Boy, you can't get anything by these MIT geniuses, you know?

    It's not like we've known this for the past 20 years or anything.

    Seriously, I wonder if "Dazza Greenwood" is expecting some sort of recognition for this striking realization, and I wonder whether he had to "think outside the box" to figure out that the IP laws are defective by design.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  45. Re:Not all of us. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

    How many are you?

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    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  46. Buy hard copies. by suprcvic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why I buy hard copies of any book I really like. Partly to show off that I've read it but also to pass along to my children or others who may be interested.

  47. Re:I'll be surprised if 2 people 'get' the joke(s) by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Funny

    UID 4190? He must have joined Slashdot when it was still a magazine.

    He probably knew Mozart personally with a UID that low.

    --
    "But this one goes to 11!"
  48. aherm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I might have everything from the public domain papers from JSTOR and an up to date of project gutenberg's content database to extensive catalogs of international music and video, but you'd to have to sift through an equal volume of porn and generally weird stuff to separate it all out.

    I think a better article would answer how I can auto self destruct (or launch onto the internet then self destruct) just my porn upon death so I don't have to scramble to dd if=/dev/random my arrays on my death bed.

  49. A real problem... by fa2k · · Score: 1

    Apple and Amazon.com grant “nontransferable” rights to use content, so if you buy the complete works of the Beatles on iTunes, you cannot give the White Album to your son and Abbey Road to your daughter. [...] Apple limits the use of digital files to Apple devices used by the account holder.

    That's the second surprise restriction of the week for me. The first was that Windows OEM licenses die with the hardware they came on. The restriction on Windows licenses is not enforceable in Germany (according to a comment), it makes me wonder if the restriction on music is actually enforceable.

    A more serious problem IMHO is that you can't lend your digital "goods" to others while you are still alive. For things that aren't DRMed to death (no pun intended), of which music is about the only example I can think of, you can't lend it to your friends legally. About 80 % of the books I read are things I find when going through the bookshelves at my parents' home, so when ebooks and physial books are priced similarly, people should really take these restrictions into account.

    Maybe I'll stick to CD rips from now on, though keeping the physical discs around is unpractical and destroying them seems "wrong" in some way.

  50. Not Just Books and Music by johnnick · · Score: 1

    This issue has been gaining importance as our online life becomes an increasing portion of our activity and consumption. People used to keep photos in albums - now they're scattered among devices, memory cards and online services. Personal diaries are now protected with a password instead of a physical lock - and might even be stored on Blogger or LiveJournal or another online service rather than on a hard drive. Family financial information or even personal recipes might be stored in Google Docs. Most of the services we use on a regular basis have little-to-no provisions in place for a family member or an executor to transfer account information. Few companies and even fewer users are thinking about end of life issues when it comes to their online lives.

    I did an article about this about a year ago available at http://www.virtualworldlaw.com/2011/04/you-cant-take-it-with-you---death-and-the-virtual-world.html

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    "The plural of anecdote is not data."
  51. Technical solution by fa2k · · Score: 1

    (Me again) The notion of "accounts" tied to people takes away a lot of freedoms that we had with physical media. Someone should create some software that creates a separate account for each purchase on iTunes, Amazon and Steam, and manages access automatically. Wouldn't solve the legal problem in the article, but it would make it practical to lend media and games, to divide them among multiple heirs, and to sell used copies.

  52. What I wanted of my grandmother's "media"? by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Her copy of Arctic Adventure: My Life in the Frozen North by Peter Freuchen

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    I come here for the love
  53. Just to be clear here by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Just to be clear here - TFA is referring to digital files, not books. My books will survive me quite handily, even if my digital files do not.

  54. Does the family have access? by Kijori · · Score: 1

    'I find it hard to imagine a situation where a family would be OK with losing a collection of 10,000 books and songs,' says author Evan Carroll of the problems created for one's heirs with digital content

    I can think of a situation, and I think it's probably pretty common: the family doesn't have access at the moment, know the extent of the collection or really expect to have it. I don't know anyone who shares their digital media in the way physical possessions are shared. If family members have access it's by giving them a copy, which will be outside the supplier's control; otherwise the media is all personal. There's no shared pool of possessions in the same way that family members might shares their physical library or CD collection.

  55. My ebooks and music and vids are not DRM'd by Nyder · · Score: 2

    When i die, my stuff will be easy access ('cept for for the porn, it's truecrypted, some things family doesn't need access to). Will they want it? I doubt it. But don't care. I will be dead.

    So whatever happens after i die happens. I will be dead.

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    Be seeing you...
  56. You won't like the solution, but I do. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    No, of course my music and movies and books won't die with me. I simply don't have digital assets with copy restrictions. If it isn't licensed under creative commons or other sane copyright licenses why the hell would I risk having it or passing it on to others? They want THOUSANDS of dollars per song if you can't prove you own it. The entertainment value of copy restricted media is just not worth the legal risk or hassle of dealing with it.

  57. Hoarding by BurningFeetMan · · Score: 2

    My Opa hoarded after the war. His garage was so full of stuff, he even pulled nails out of old railway sleepers then put the nails in a jar, just in case he might need them one day! Upon his passing, even a garage sale didn't put a dent in his collections of nuts, bolts, nails, pop rivets, all in their own jars & labelled up. Now, in reflection on myself, I've been playing Guild Wars for ~6 years and boy have I got stuff! 9 characters with filled storage, all inventory storage slots purchased & full...But I think if I were to pass away with my children inheriting my Guild Wars account, they'd take one look at it, then go back to their Playstation 7's and their Nintendo 512's.

    But in saying that, my aunties & uncles spent months reminiscing in that garage, their heart glowing with every new jar of washers opened, that jar summarizing my Opa's character, saving for a rainy day. Like physical items, I think a will & the families should have the last say of what goes to who regarding digital media.

  58. you just don't get. by pbjones · · Score: 2

    /. has covered this many times before, Technology has a limited life, if you have Digital music, you can move it to a physical medium, but you then need a device to use that physical medium. If you have books, you move them to a medium that can store the material, if you have some sort of limited, proprietary format THEN YOU DID IT WRONG. I buy physical medium and transfer it to digital, and I have several devices to replay the content, I buy books, too many books, but I doubt that my Grandkids will care.

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  59. Solution - don't be ignorant. by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    Its not your collection unless you have some sort of physical media. One thing I love about vinyl records is that if we lose electricity, i'll still be able to play records with a dixie cup and a thumbtack - although it will obviously tear up vinyl, you should see my point.

  60. Let me recall: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The titles of the bestsellers Justin Bieber and Rihanna wrote are ...?

  61. in 50 years, you'll own nothing by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    we'll no longer have books available to the general population. libraries will have been closed by the "let's eliminate taxes" nutjobs. cassettes, cd's, records will be artifacts from an ancient era. the content creators will own the rights, and you're lucky to have any music to listen to while you read people magazine on your idevice. the future is going to suck.

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    Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
  62. Re:(still the same fast Cowboy AC, different ip no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there tastes may change

    That should be "they're tastes may change".

    Schnork.

    I think you mean their.

  63. Re:Not all of us. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

    I've barely got 3 years of porn (queued up 1 after the other)

    BARELY???

    How much porn does one penis need?

  64. Re:Not all of us. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like I say, collections develop inertia all there own.

    Do I really need a music collection that would take decades to play?

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  65. Don't play ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These schemes, dreamt up by the **AA's of this world, will only work with our cooperation. Simply don't play ball. Whatever you buy, strip it of DRM immediately and archive it away along with some proof-of-purchase (e-mail receipt copied into a .txt file works great). ZIP, RAR and 7z are all fine choices. You can still use the DRM'd version if you choose to do so, you just have a backup somewhere. Leave instructions (a readme.txt works fine).

    After your death, should the **AAs come after your heirs, all they have to do is go public and crucify them.

  66. Re:Not all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you retards modding this "troll". Kill yourselves.

  67. Your Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you not been paying attention? All your books belong to the publishers. All you have is the limited right to read them on particular devices for a limited period of time if the publishers don't change their minds. Same goes for your music.

    1. Re:Your Books by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Have you not been paying attention? All your books belong to the publishers. All you have is the limited right to read them on particular devices for a limited period of time if the publishers don't change their minds. Same goes for your music.

      This is not true of the concept of digital media in general. This is a result of the license agreement attached to the digital content you buy. The solution is to only select content for which the license does allow for sharing and transfer. The creative commons license is an example of a license which can provide for sharing and transfer. Support artists who use the creative commons license.

  68. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just leave your usernames, passwords, weblinks, and current CC inrfo in your will?

  69. your will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put yer damn passwords in yer will, dummy.

  70. See if I understand... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    So wait, you're saying 30 years of legislation and technology driven with the express purpose of preventing the transfer of something (in this case, books, movies, and music) from the hands of one person to another without corporate benefit has had the result of....making it hard to transfer something from the hands of one person to another?

    Just because one of the pair of hands is cold and dead doesn't change the situation at all for corporate lawyers. That's pretty much how their souls are all the time.

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    -Styopa
  71. First sale doctrine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fully allows your heirs to keep what you bought.

    Unless you were dumb enough to give whoever money for a "lifetime rental." For most of you "your" music collection isn't yours. So yes, once you die the rental contract is complete and it isn't the property of your heirs.

    People have been saying this for a long time and nobody has cared enough to do anything about it or pay any attention

  72. too late by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    This whole argument is late to the party. The software industry has been slowly killing the concept of sharing for years. Now that music is simply a set of digital values like software, the music industry is in a position to apply the same unfair restrictions and have you eat it. Its your own fault. For listening to the music industry marketing. Break free. Start listening to music under the creative commons license and start sharing it with your friends and family. If you want to leave a legacy for your children and friends after your dead... show them that you were the generation that began to reject these horrible license shackles. Just because something is "free" does not mean it has no value. Your music selection passed on should be a reflection of who you are not what you bought. Show future generations that you were a person who choose not to be enslaved by corporations through marketing.

    The first site you should visit is http://jamendo.com./ Support the concept of sharing and let this be your legacy

  73. Why ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    ... would access to my hundreds of gigabytes of books, papers, lectures, movies etc cease just because I was dead?

    Or are you specifically talking about media that have DRM embedded in them? Or loosely pasted on top of them, as is more often the case?

    Do people actually still try to use that shit?

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    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  74. Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple solution to all this.

    Stop buying stuff which you just "rent" with a "license".

    There is no rational reason to use those pseudo-rental cloud services!
    If you don't get to keep what you buy, don't buy it.

    And, you don't need to BUY everything. There must be hundreds of thousands of places with quality free as in beer (CC license) music all over the internet. Start looking for those, finding out what you like. In the meanwhile, you can save your money. Later you'll have a nice pile of money to buy quality speakers, some beer, pizza and a couple of quality tracks from places which sell DRM-less music. (Some even sell as FLAC, e.g. Lynn sells 96kHz/24bit FLAC jazz tracks)

  75. Re:I'll be surprised if 2 people 'get' the joke(s) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever modded the above -1 is an uneducated (and likely american) asshole.

  76. I was robbed off of 10,000 books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea how many I can still recover, but they are less than what I had. Then I was deprived of over 20 email accounts with very little hope of ever recovering them EVEN if I can somehow reach adamant email servers still existing in almost ghostly companies providing for free. And so on. You do not have to wait to die, but the real problem is that some of that material is now IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND AGAIN. Which is also true of the books I was born into and eventually dissappeared somehow. Call it information entropy. Much of it did not make it into the internet, period. The emails may have gone unread. So it is all up to your backups and actually capturing books. But the real, real problem is that memory is not perfect nor absolute, so unless you are schizophrenic, you will want to go back to some of your info assets... and you cannot know a priori to which ones. Haphazard point: collections do have value as a selection and such value is inheritable; in fact, universities acquire value because they offer some books (Samuelson) rather than other books (Marxians) in their curriculum. So in the end it all boils down to provide content preserving receptacles, including collections and personal items. That is the Cloud, right? And so on...

  77. Re:I'll be surprised if 2 people 'get' the joke(s) by hman · · Score: 1
    Ehm folks, don't mind the low uid - after all his nick is drwho.

    He could have exactly the uid he wanted, just go back to the appropriate time when it was available.

  78. I've actually thought about that by neminem · · Score: 1

    It is kind of depressing - not because it's all DRM'd, because it isn't. Anytime I get any media that does have any DRM on it, which I do occasionally when it's the easiest way to obtain something I want, I then immediately find a way to strip the DRM off it - it's the principle of the thing.

    Still, when I die, I do expect all my music will die with me, just because who in my personal life is going to -want- a hard drive with a giant collection of mostly random mashups and covers and remixes?

    My books won't die with me, though - they're all hard copies. People still buy those, and I like to think decades from now, they'll still be happily coexisting with ebooks or whatever else.

  79. Re:(still the same fast Cowboy AC, different ip no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whooooosh!

  80. Re:Not all of us. by Mister_Stoopid · · Score: 1

    When I die, my "work stuff" folder and the password for the truecrypt container found within shall be passed on to my eldest son, as is done among my people.