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The History of the Floppy Disk

Esther Schindler writes "Ready for a nostalgic trip into the wayback? We had floppy disks long before we had CDs, DVDs, or USB thumb-drives. Here's the evolution of the portable media that changed everything about personal computing. 'The 8-inch drive began to show up in 1971. Since they enabled developers and users to stop using the dreaded paper tape (which were easy to fold, spindle, and mutilate, not to mention to pirate) and the loathed IBM 5081 punch card. Everyone who had ever twisted a some tape or—the horror!—dropped a deck of Hollerith cards was happy to adopt 8-inch drives. Besides, the early single-sided 8-inch floppy could hold the data of up to 3,000 punch cards, or 80K to you.'"

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  1. Read Error by zippo01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I/O Error, Try again.... I/O Error, Try again. Damn it! Now how am I going to play Oregon Trail.

    1. Re:Read Error by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What was "fun" was some of the later OS installs that came on floppies. Anybody remember how many floppies Win95 took? And it never failed that one of the floppies, usually one of those needed at the very end, wouldn't work.

      Still I remember how excited I was when I got my first CD burner...no more floppies yay! And I could overburn too! I for one was damned glad when floppies finally bought the farm, I always seemed to end up with the damned discs dead and my data toast, no matter how much I babied the stupid things.

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    2. Re:Read Error by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Netware 2.15 came on 40 floppies and could not be installed from the originals, you had to make a backup copy first, which needed half a day alone since each disk had to be switched several times during the copy process.
      Then during install, you noticed that the 40th copy was bad.

    3. Re:Read Error by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was the most frustrating part of Netware... besides the large number of disks, you had to put some disks in several times and switch them back and forth. They also stayed with single density disks when the double density disk drives were widely available so the number of disks was twice as many as necessary.

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    4. Re:Read Error by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh I believe you friend, I remember doing a WinNT 3.5 floppy install and I think it was like 42 or 43 floppies, just nuts. the kids today don't realize how truly nutty it had gotten with the floppies right before the CD took off, we had 17 floppies for Win95, someone else posted Office 4.2 took something like 40 floppies for a full install, Banyan took a couple of dozen, your Slackware took 40...it was insanity.

      I remember at the shop I was working at the time we had these giant filing cabinets just filled with row after row after row of floppy boxes with various OSes and software marked on the top. This is why we were practically dancing with joy when the first CD burners got released, even though the discs were high and the burning software would get flaky, just because the amount of damned floppies we had to deal with on a daily basis was like some bad parody.

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  2. I remember the old floppies well by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing I remember was a colleague spilling sweet hot coffee on a 5.25 inch floppy that had just arrived in the post. We all thought he would have to tell head office that we had just destroyed our latest update disk and get them to send another, but he opened the envelope, took out the actual disk, rinsed it under the tap, and carefully dried it. Next he got a blank floppy, opened this, and substituted the internal disk - finally sealing it with sellotape down the edge. We all said "it will never work", but it read perfectly - the first thing he did was take a back-up of course.

    1. Re:I remember the old floppies well by JosKarith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First step - make a back-up.
      Second step - put the originals somewhere safe and use the back-up disks
      We got tripped up with this on a graphic design program for the Archimedes at school. We made a copy of the original and ran off that for a while. Then the copy went missing so the teacher grabbed the original and tried using that. It refused to work. We thought that it had somehow gotten fried but someone dutifully ran off a copy anyway and that worked fine. We were all really confused till we realised that the original had the write-protect tab set. The program needed to write back to the disk occasionally nut the manufacturer had assumed that everyone who used the program would run off unprotected copies... fun times.

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  3. FDD RAID by cffrost · · Score: 4, Informative
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  4. Transforming DD into HD by andyteleco · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember taking bunches of old DD 3.5'' floppies and drilling a hole on the lower left side in order to later format them as HD (1.44 MB). Of course many of them were destroyed or ended up with lots of defective sectors in the process.

    Aaaaah, the good old days!

  5. Ahhh memories! by Jahta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked in tech support in the 1980s and 5.25" floppies were a great (unintended) source of fun.

    For example, in response to "can you send me a copy of that floppy?" I was sent (a) a photocopy the floppy and (b) a floppy with a covering note stapled to it!

    But best of all was the time I asked a user if they had a backup of some important documents. She pointed me to a 5.25" floppy - attached to the side of a filing cabinet with a fridge magnet.

    Happy days!

    1. Re:Ahhh memories! by ag0ny · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, those urban legends that didn't happen to you either, but everybody says they experienced them first person. :-)

      Yeah, those didn't happen to me either, but I've heard them many times.

    2. Re:Ahhh memories! by knarfling · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You may not have experienced them, but many of us have.

      The magnet issue happened to my supervisor, but I was there at the time. What made it difficult was that he would bring the disks in to the shop completely trashed. It took over a week and 5 sets of replacement floppies before we figured out the trouble.

      Stapling, however, happened to me personally. An office assistant was told to bring the floppy to our shop and was given a paper with our address on it. She was specifically told not to paper clip the address to the floppy so as to prevent bending, so she stapled it. Surprisingly, we were able to gently pry the staple out an recover the data. But it prompted us to have fun with other customers. We took a bad floppy, put it in the protective sleeve, covered it with a piece of paper that said "Important Data. Do NOT erase" and stapled it to the disk and sleeve about 20 times. We then placed it out on the counters next to the demo machines and counted how many people tried to slide the disk out of the sleeve. Several people asked us if we could put it in to see what was on the disk, a few tried to slide it out, and at least four tried to put the disk, sleave, staples and paper into the drive.

      My favorite experience happened when someone tried to return a game as defective. He stated that it worked the first time, but he took it to a friends house and it didn't work. When he brought it home, it didn't work. When I asked him if I could see the disk, he took it out of his shirt pocket and unfolded it. It was still in the the sleeve. I put my hands behind my back and asked him to turn the disk over and read the warning on the back of the sleeve. When he got to the "Do Not Bend" warning, he looked up and said, "That's probably why it doesn't work, isn't it?"

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  6. Differentiating the 5.25" and the 3.5" disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We would call the big ones "floppies" and the small ones "stiffies" (for obvious reaons) to keep them apart. And we would do it with a straight face.

    This seems to have been a local thing in South Africa, however, since I have only heard it there.

    1. Re:Differentiating the 5.25" and the 3.5" disks by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      We would call the big ones "floppies" and the small ones "stiffies" (for obvious reaons) to keep them apart. And we would do it with a straight face.

      This seems to have been a local thing in South Africa, however, since I have only heard it there.

      lerppu(floppy) vs. korppu(hardy).

      of course hard disks were then called kovalevyt so.. but we had that distinction in finnish too. maybe english is the only language where it doesn't exist?-D

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  7. Re:Floppy disk drives are not history... by djjockey · · Score: 4, Funny

    That, and if you don't teach people about them they won't know which icon to click to save their work.

  8. The Sector Wars by mbstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Y'all forgot, there weren't just 5.25" and 8" floppy drives, there was also no agreement among OEMs on whether diskettes should be soft sectored or hard sectored, and there were maybe 30 formatting schemes in use -- hard sectoring required punching holes in the media, sometimes several.

    Even after the IBM-PC (which adopted 5.25" soft-sectored disks as the standard) there were attempts to use punched holes, or nonstandard data written to the disks, either as a copy protection scheme or in order to require computer purchasers to purchase the OEM's own diskette media (DEC Rainbow).

  9. Re:Yeah , they were pretty unreliable by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Data density was much higher on a floppy disk than tapes of the day (if you think about it , and entire floppy disks surface area is probably only equivalent to a few inches of tape) so consequently minor faults that would do nothing to data on a tape could cause complete data loss on a floppy disk.

  10. Re:Yeah , they were pretty unreliable by rs79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It wasn't. 9 track tapes lasted a few years and at that point the oxide flaked off. Ever wonder where Google's Usenet archive came from? DejaNews. Wonder where that came from? Archive.org (I think it's all still there somewhere in 4 of the biggest files on earth). Wonder where they got it from? I sort of arranged them to get a copy from magi@uwo who had taken Henry Spencer's tape backups made because a friend of his wanted rec.birds ad it was easier to just store all of it. magi told me at the worst point they'd run a tape for a foot, then have to stop and clean all the flaked oxide off the heads and keep going. It took, I think, two summers to read them all that way.

    Tapes were ok if you used them the same year or next, but if you were serious about data, you kept it on disk packs, either 2314 single platers or 2311 packs or multiple platters.

    8" floppies may have been introduced in 71 but it wasn't really anywhere close to common until the late seventies and never had much traction with large computers. More so with minicomputers but still fairly useless given the volumes of data. Where they shone was with micros, their 8-bit cpus and low data requirements made them ideal; you could easily boot an O/S off one and have all your data on the other and this lasted until about the early to mid 80s when 5" floppies - much less reliable - took over.

    IBM introduced them and they were called "flexible diskettes" and nobody thought they would work or work reliably if they did, which really wasn't too far off the mark.

    You know all those gaps in Google's Usenet archive? That's where the oxide flaked off and that data is just plain extinct. No, tapes sucked but then, as now, expensive dick drives had outstanding longevity.

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  11. Re:Yeah , they were pretty unreliable by Tore+S+B · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're describing "sticky shed syndrome", or hydrolysis of the polyurethane binding layer between the oxide and the base. Some tape brands are more susceptible to it than others. Storage conditions are another significant determinant.

    Basically, humidity reacts with the glue that keeps the rust sticking to the plastic. If there was archival data of such significance, the tapes should have been "baked" - that is, slowly heated to a precise temperature which would re-dry the glue. After that, the tapes would probably mount fine.

    If you had conferred with some people like the Computer History Museum (just down the block from the Googleplex), they would have helped you out.

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