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Survey Reveals a Majority Believe "the Cloud" Is Affected by Weather

SmartAboutThings writes "In a recent survey performed by Wakefield Research, it has been discovered that the majority of the surveyed Americans are quite confused about the notion of Cloud, when it relates to Cloud Storage/Computing. The most interesting fact is that 51% of the surveyed persons thought that stormy weather interferes with cloud computing!"

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  1. It does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    When that stormy weather takes out power supplies to the data centres.

    1. Re:It does by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A friend of mine transfered his VM instances out of New Orleans datacenters yesterday.

  2. It isn't? by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Didn't we have a story in the last couple weeks about Amazon's cloud servers getting taken out by a large storm and the resulting power outage or something like that?

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    1. Re:It isn't? by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Okay, found the link: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/06/30/162250/more-uptime-problems-for-amazon-cloud

      "An Amazon Web Services data center in northern Virginia lost power Friday night during an electrical storm, causing downtime for numerous customers â" including Netflix"

      So the east coast has a big storm, power goes out, and the cloud goes down, and somehow people are drawing the conclusion that stormy weather can have an adverse effect on the cloud? It's possible they're confused about how big a storm is required, the article doesn't address that point, but clearly the idea isn't crazy.

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    2. Re:It isn't? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. The people who believe storms may disrupt cloud computing are 100% correct. Not only can they, but there is a history of it.

      As for not knowing what the cloud is, I'd argue that they're in the same boat as marketing and the media that pumps out the breathless cloud stories 24/7.

    3. Re:It isn't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly... I'm more worried about the ones who think cloud computing is NOT impacted by weather. If some random person walked up to me on the street and asked me this, I'd say, "sure, it can", and I'm quite technical.

      This seems much like the hand-writing shocked headlines announcing that most Americans think humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time... the only problem being that we DID exist at the same time. Paleontologists consider modern birds to be dinosaurs, so most people are quite correct.

      Paleontologists regard birds as the only clade of dinosaurs to have survived the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 65.5 Ma ago> .

      In both cases, this shows that most people are not as dumb as the ones giving the survey.

    4. Re:It isn't? by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't trust the clowd clowns with your data!

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    5. Re:It isn't? by SomeJoel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't trust the clowd clowns with your data!

      I certainly won't. Thanks for the tip. One other thing, how do I distinguish clowd clowns from regular clowns?

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    6. Re:It isn't? by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 4, Informative

      they don't eat little kids.

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    7. Re:It isn't? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't trust the clowd clowns with your data!

      I certainly won't. Thanks for the tip. One other thing, how do I distinguish clowd clowns from regular clowns?

      Can you really think of a situation that would require you to trust any kind of clown?

    8. Re:It isn't? by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can you really think of a situation that would require you to trust any kind of clown?

      Eating at McDonalds?

    9. Re:It isn't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Elections?

    10. Re:It isn't? by danaris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you really think of a situation that would require you to trust any kind of clown?

      Eating at McDonalds?

      And you think that's a good idea in the first place?

      Dan Aris

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    11. Re:It isn't? by mrmeval · · Score: 4, Funny

      *headdesk* Dammit both are evil. Let me think.

      Ah

      Clown: promises you candy and sunshine and dishes out horror and pain.

      Clowd clown: promises you a magic sky bag where you can keep all your important stuff but it fails when it gets
      wet
      'too full'
      a warrant is issued
      they're having a bad hair day
      snorted to much meth
      spend the money you paid them on too many hookers
      forget to pay their electric bill
      can't pay their electric bill
      piss off the employees who didn't get any hookers or meth
      just don't like you anymore. ....

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    12. Re:It isn't? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Paleontologists regard birds as the only clade of dinosaurs to have survived the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 65.5 Ma ago

      Methinks somebody didn't understand (nor look up) what the word clade means.

      Basically, a clade is a group consisting of a species (extinct or extant) and all its descendants.

      So the sentence "Paleontologists regard birds as the only clade of dinosaurs to have survived the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 65.5 Ma ago." is just a fancy way of saying that birds are the only living things to have descended from dinosaurs (as opposed to also reptiles). Indeed, the reptile species living today are not descendant from the dinosaurs, but are different lineage. However the birds are.

  3. Weather does affect it by Nightlight3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Recent outages of AWS and other providers demonstrate that weather does affect the "Cloud" platforms.

    1. Re:Weather does affect it by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, no, it sounds like it WAS a completely useless question. Most people did NOT realize what the question being asked was about.

      "54% of Americans do not know what the cloud is and claim to never have used it. ... also, another alarming number is that 51% of the surveyed Americans think that stormy weather can interfere with the functionality of the cloud."

      So, if 54% surveyed had never heard the term, and and almost identical 51% surveyed who don't know it refers to computing services over the Internet, then it doesn't mean people are stupid, just uninformed, and the second number means nothing (of course, the survey doesn't mention how these numbers overlap, which makes it all the more useless).

      And honestly, I would bet over 50% of those who BUILD network-based services that could be considered "in the Cloud" think the whole "Cloud" terminology is one of the stupidest things pseudo-technology journalists and marketers have foisted on the public in years. Based on the over-saturation of "the Cloud", I'm surprised everyone isn't starting to call the Internet "the Tubes"...

    2. Re:Weather does affect it by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By that metric weather affects everything, and you'd be asking a completely useless question.

      Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

      Most people realize the actual question being asked is whether cloud computing is affected by weather more than other generic things, to which the answer is no, in fact it's less affected by weather than other generic things. What do you prove by deliberately misinterpreting the survey question?

      Rank the following in terms of likelihood:

      1.) A person thinks cloud computing involves actual clouds.
      2.) The people running the survey deliberately asked ridiculous or trick questions in order to get a sensational response that would drive readership and therefore profits.
      3.) A person genuinely gave an over-literal response due to the weather's actual ability to take out a data center despite the question being intended to gauge whether a person thinks cloud computing involves actual clouds.

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  4. I am more worried about the 49%... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that believes that the cloud is this magical place disconnected from the utility grid, immune to lightning strikes, floods, storm surges, etc. etc.

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    1. Re:I am more worried about the 49%... by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fuck the cloud. All my data is in Heaven administered by God! Nothing can go wrong. Everything is where it should be. Simply perfect.

      Rationalizing disk failure won't bring your data back.

      Just wait three days.

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  5. Also in the news by colin_faber · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surveys suggest most surveys are wrong :)

  6. Re:I weep for my country by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My uncle is a biological engineer; he was a member of the team who first managed to grow human body parts in rats.

    I asked him what he knew about 'The Cloud' the other day; his response?
    "How the fuck should I know? I'm a biological engineer, not a goddamn weatherman!"

    In a saner world, our educational systems would teach science and technology...

    You seem to be confusing "science and technology" with "marketing buzzwords."

    Stop it. Stop it right now.

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  7. or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / cab by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / cable lines.

    Also stormy weather can take down your cable line even if you still have power in your area the cables from your place to the headend may have areas with no power and dead battery (they don't have the number of needed portable generators to cover all of them) in the nodes.

    DSL works better and the phone RT's (Remote Terminals) and central offices have a better power backup system.

  8. Satellite rain fade by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or when you're stuck out in BFE where cable and DSL aren't available and rain fade hurts your satellite connection. Not that people who rely on satellite would use "the Cloud" anyway because of the single digit GB/mo caps typical of satellite Internet service.

    1. Re:Satellite rain fade by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or when the rain provides enough interference that you can no longer poorly piggy-back on your neighbor's WiFi.

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    2. Re:Satellite rain fade by aurispector · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or when people find stupid survey questions amusing and deliberately answer them incorrectly.

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  9. Packet storms by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny they list facebook, twitter, online photo sharing, online banking and shopping as "the cloud". It would be interesting to hear from TFA what on the Internet does not count as "the cloud" ?

    Had noticed TFA is making fun of people who think stormy weather can "interfere with the functionality of the cloud" when just a few weeks ago an electrical storm triggered a massive outage in the Amazon "cloud".

    For icing on my cloud cake we have marketeers commenting about how everyone has a favorable view of the cloud when the only thing that seems clear is too many people including the author does not seem to have a coherent grasp of what it is their talking about.

  10. "On Somebody Else's Computer". by wanderfowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Every instance of "In the Cloud", facing a naive end user, should be replaced with "On somebody else's computer". This study shows that people have absolutely no idea what The Cloud is, and that might, just maybe, be affecting their choice of what to upload to it. "I keep our business records in the cloud" sounds sane, but “Oh, don’t worry, all of our business information is backed up on somebody else’s computer” doesn't.

    1. Re:"On Somebody Else's Computer". by starfishsystems · · Score: 3, Informative

      A useful distinction can be made between Public Cloud and Private Cloud, and it puts the matter on firmer technical ground.

      Private Cloud is when the hardware is yours. It lives inside your firewall and is subject to your security practices. Public Cloud, conversely, is not yours.

      Having cleared up that detail, we can talk about what makes it a "cloud" and not just a bunch of services running who-really-cares-where. Essentially, it comes about as a consequence of virtualization. There's a qualitative difference between saying, "I need to buy a server with X capacity in order to run my application," and creating an instance of your application in a cloud. Yes, they both ultimately depend on hardware capacity, but there is a separation of concerns between the abstract resources that your app needs and how they are physically provided. You tend not to think about servers any more but about instances of things. It encourages a more modular, more fluid way of solving problems.

      For example, I've been talking with one of my colleagues this week about setting up a package repository. That's a server which delivers software packages for clients to install. New packages have to be added to the repository automatically, and they have to be signed. Now, this raises the awkward question of where to maintain the private key used for signing each change to the repository. We found ourselves having to rule out all of the possible algorithmic options. The essential requirement is that the signing has to be encapsulated inside something that can peform computations. What we really need is a specially hardened server that does nothing but sign changes to the repo. But who can afford to buy a whole server just for that one narrow purpose? If the server is virtual, the resource issue goes away.

      Of course, other issues remain. Just as there is an inherent security risk in having unrestricted access to a physical server, there is risk in having comparable access to a virtual server. In principle, disaster recovery in a virtualized environment ought to be more robust than in a physical one, because you can maintain a perfect digital record of everything that went into creating that environment. But even if you keep that record offsite in multiple bank vaults, if you have never tried to actually bring up and test a virtual environment with it, you may be in for a big surprise.

      So I don't want to do what the marketing people do and say that cloud solutions are magically wonderful. There's a useful separation of concerns in a cloud solution that, I believe, leads to a more elegant way of approaching design problems. And there's a big difference between private and public cloud that the people selling public cloud services don't really like to talk about. As to whether a cloud solution has specific advantages for you, I think one of the most surprising results is that it comes with a change of thinking.

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  11. Re:I weep for my country by causality · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I asked him what he knew about 'The Cloud' the other day; his response?
    "How the fuck should I know? I'm a biological engineer, not a goddamn weatherman!"

    Okay, despite his confusion, at least he admitted he was ignorant about the subject. At least he didn't go and form a strong opinion and start arguing about a subject he knows nothing about.

    "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'." -- Isaac Asimov

    This Slashdot article may as well have said "average public school-educated Americans unable to distinguish their own (obese) ass from a hole in the ground."

    Sure that may sound like I am being negative. But it's so hard not to be negative about this. Without even considering its finances, there is good reason to question the long-term viability of my nation. You just can't have this many adult people who hate thinking, who embrace anti-intellectualism, and expect to remain prosperous. It's not even just anti-intellectualism, as though that were not bad enough. Emotional intelligence is on the decline as well, and it manifests as a bunch of people who generally mean well, but are far too self-absorbed to understand things so basic as "needlessly blocking a doorway in a public place is rude".

    They do mean well but they tend to be childish, indulgent, and haven't the maturity to overcome their own thoughts and their own worries. That's why when I say "self-absorbed" I don't mean it in terms of narcissism, I mean it in terms of having become so thoroughly alienated from their fellow humans that they are unable to consider how their actions affect others. Generally the USA is becoming decadent like every other great nation just before its collapse.

    I am seriously wondering just how hard it is for an American to immigrate to a small Western European nation and become a naturalized citizen.

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  12. Re:I weep for my country by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a saner world we wouldn't let hypsters foist stupid names on an entire industry for things as simple to explain as "remote storage".

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  13. Re:I weep for my country by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a saner world, we'd just ship all hipsters to Seattle, and be done with them.

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  14. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by ibsteve2u · · Score: 3, Informative

    Roger that...there are still Telco lines out there that are wick...eh, I mean paper insulated "dry" core.

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  15. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by MrLint · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was told once by the cable crew who came to fix my cable, that because of squirrels eating at the cable, water had leaked in. As it was a 3 pole run,, some stupid amount of *gallons* of water poured out of the cable.

  16. Re:I weep for my country by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You seem to have a severely myopic view of what is important in the world. Until very recently, even cloud providers could not define cloud computing beyond whatever their implementation was. Not knowing what "the cloud" is does not exemplify in any way anti-intellectualism. I think your rant is a generalized one, way off topic, and pretty much a knee-jerk response to any sign that someone doesn't know about something you consider important.

    Reading your post history, you realize that you are part of a small minority of people who are aware of the business behind service offerings, whether it is data mining of social networking or broad categories such as cloud offerings. Based on that reading, it should not surprise you to find that people don't care how their phone works, or what powers their website. And they don't want to know. Not because of anti-intellectualism. They just have no need to know, or don't have any connection to people who do know.

    Sure they lack curiosity, but we can only say that about this subject, where they may have interests in mechanics or art or cuisine instead.

    So you have rated your opinion of the nation on people who don't need to know about something, being asked about that thing, and making a guess based on the information they already have at hand. Or, you used this as an excuse to jump up on your soapbox.

    Either way, you are my example of why someone should pity a culture, not the people who were busy minding their own business when a surveyor gave them a pop quiz.

    The actual study has a much less exaggerated title, and as far as I can tell from the actual survey, it was a true random sampling. Ask a random person what "the could" is, given no context, and I'm surprised that only 29% said it related to weather. "51%" is described as "most", and as posted above that bunch of people are technically correct that weather can cause problems, including damage from lightning and flooding or just plain power outage.

    The margin of error was +/- 3% meaning it could have been as low as 48%. You can't even claim "majority" with those numbers. And this was an e-mail invitation to an online survey. Automatically, anyone who clicked on an unexpected mail to answer questions is an idiot, but my opinion aside this is self-selection. There is no description of what measure they took to ensure the sample was anything other than "too stupid not to click."

    So now you got your panties in a bunch over "People who think it's okay to click on e-mail links don't care how technology works." Which everyone here already knew.

  17. Re:I weep for my country by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, we'd nuke it from the cloud.

  18. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was told once by the cable crew who came to fix my cable, that because of squirrels eating at the cable, water had leaked in. As it was a 3 pole run,, some stupid amount of *gallons* of water poured out of the cable.

    I had a cable guy try to tell me that the plasma in a plasma TV was the same as the plasma in human blood. I gave up trying to explain it to him as he was pretty adamant about it. I can only imagine how he thought the manufacturers got it.

  19. Re:I weep for my country by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, despite his confusion, at least he admitted he was ignorant about the subject. At least he didn't go and form a strong opinion and start arguing about a subject he knows nothing about.

    And, from reading TFA, neither did those 51% who thought that weather would interfere with the cloud. They were asked about it and they answered. They weren't protesting on the streets demanding something be done about the weather to protect their access to the cloud.

    You just can't have this many adult people who hate thinking, who embrace anti-intellectualism, and expect to remain prosperous.

    So you think that people who don't know what the rather nebulous concept of "the cloud" (which is quite appropriate since "clouds" are already nebulous and consist of many different kinds) is "hate thinking" etc. etc.? Quite a leap, I'd say.

    They do mean well but they tend to be childish, indulgent, and haven't the maturity to overcome their own thoughts and their own worries.

    And people who rant about others who simply don't care about technical things are grown up, mature individuals who are fastidious? By the way, I think you want to call them "self-indulgent", because most people are indugent of others.

    I am seriously wondering just how hard it is for an American to immigrate to a small Western European nation and become a naturalized citizen.

    I sense that this statement is much like the random movie or TV star who tries to influence voting trends by claiming that "if X wins, I'm moving to England" or similar. It's not hard to move to Europe, but why you'd want to become a citizen there is a mystery. You'd just be stuck in the same kind of situation where you'd threaten to "move to the US" if politics didn't go the way you wanted.

  20. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can only imagine how he thought the manufacturers got it.

    It's what's left over after they make Soylent Green. By-product.

  21. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Had I mod points, I'd mod this informative just to see people's reaction.

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  22. Re:I weep for my country by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > You seem to be confusing "science and technology" with "marketing buzzwords."

    You are my favorite person for this week. And it's only Wednesday.

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  23. Re:or when rain / rain water get's in the phone / by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 3, Funny

    I worked in a Fortune 115 company where the VOIP went down, and along with it all incoming calls. Root cause was Squirrel. Yes, the cute furry toothy bitches.

    Official explanation was: squirrels had gnawed off the insulation. One particularly unlucky squirrel had successfully penetrated the insulation, fried itself, and everything around it.

    Traditional squirrel fry was held, a good time was had by all. Also, 2/3 of this post is true.

  24. Re:I weep for my country by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    "How the fuck should I know? I'm a biological engineer, not a goddamn weatherman!"

    Is his last name "McCoy" by any chance?