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Wood Pulp Extract Stronger Than Carbon Fiber Or Kevlar

Zothecula writes "The Forest Products Laboratory of the US Forest Service has opened a US$1.7 million pilot plant for the production of cellulose nanocrystals (CNC) from wood by-products materials such as wood chips and sawdust. Prepared properly, CNCs are stronger and stiffer than Kevlar or carbon fibers, so that putting CNC into composite materials results in high strength, low weight products. In addition, the cost of CNCs is less than ten percent of the cost of Kevlar fiber or carbon fiber. These qualities have attracted the interest of the military for use in lightweight armor and ballistic glass (CNCs are transparent), as well as companies in the automotive, aerospace, electronics, consumer products, and medical industries."

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  1. Transparent Aluminum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who needs transparent aluminum when you've got transparent, bulletproof wood?

    1. Re:Transparent Aluminum by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a proper boast right there.

    2. Re:Transparent Aluminum by mk1004 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who needs transparent aluminum when you've got transparent, bulletproof wood?

      Women might be impressed with bulletproof wood, but transparent?

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    3. Re:Transparent Aluminum by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 5, Funny

      Women might be impressed with bulletproof wood, but transparent?

      With transparent they'd be surprised.

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    4. Re:Transparent Aluminum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a great name for a trendy new movie: The Invisible Superpinocchio.

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    5. Re:Transparent Aluminum by ethanms · · Score: 2

      That's the ticket laddy.

    6. Re:Transparent Aluminum by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Funny

      "With transparent they'd be surprised."

      Well, they wouldn't see you coming, that's for sure.

    7. Re:Transparent Aluminum by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a proper boast right there.

      Ever eat a burger in a high school cafeteria? You'd alreayd know how tough cellulose can be.

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    8. Re:Transparent Aluminum by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      "Surprise buttseks?"

      Sorry. Couldn't help it. It practically wrote itself.

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    9. Re:Transparent Aluminum by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They traded the formula for transparent aluminum for Plexiglas. It's less dense than aluminum, allowed the crew some capacity to actually monitor the whales directly (the Klingon vessel's internal sensors may have been limited or too unfamiliar), and most importantly allowed movie watchers to see the whales.

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    10. Re:Transparent Aluminum by Pav · · Score: 2

      Women might be impressed with bulletproof wood, but transparent?

      With transparent they'd be surprised.

      So in other words it would be considered rape in Sweden?

  2. Time to Pledge my ride by virgnarus · · Score: 2

    So I take it we'll be seeing the next president riding around in a wood-sided grocery getter?

  3. Stiffness an issue? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    It seems as if being stiffer than Kevlar may limit its usefulness in certain applications, such as body armor and the like. That said, the summary mentioned composite materials that simply use it as a component. Any material scientists around who can comment on whether its an issue or how this stuff might change things?

    1. Re:Stiffness an issue? by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 2

      being stiffer than Kevlar may limit its usefulness in certain applications, such as body armor and the like

      Scale mail.

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    2. Re:Stiffness an issue? by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Current body armor (and I'm talking about the Interceptor vest, MTV (Modular Tactical Vest) and the Plate Carrier) don't have anything to do with the word "flexibility". The armor plates (Small Arms Protective Inserts, or SAPI) are stiff; they're slightly contoured, the front being the same contour as the back, which makes sense if you're disfigured I suppose...I digress...

      Since current vests don't provide flexibility at all, then the CNC being stiffer won't have much of an effect. It will, however, be wonderful to save on weight, those vests get cumbersome fast. But those are ceramic. Replacing those would be much more effective than replacing the Kevlar, I would think, in terms of weight-saving.

      The Kevlar itself is light enough (disclaimer: I was an infantry machine gunner), it's the SAPI plates that were/are horrible to deal with.

    3. Re:Stiffness an issue? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm always thinking of Batman's suit.

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    4. Re:Stiffness an issue? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      It's not the shape that he's concerned about. You want some give and flexibility, else all the kinetic energy of a projectile will be absorbed.

      Sure, it might not penetrate you, but neither does a sledgehammer. You still wouldn't want one of those to the gut, would you?

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    5. Re:Stiffness an issue? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      Nope, Adam West.

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    6. Re:Stiffness an issue? by enickel · · Score: 2

      I worked at an R&D firm that focused on natural fibre composites until about a year ago, and we had some projects with nanocellulose going on while I was around. Apparently it's pretty tiny stuff (maybe that explains the nano part, hmmm...) so barring a huge breakthrough it's not going to be threatenning kevlar fabric anytime soon since weaving it wouldnt be practical at this stage of the game. If it's used in composites, it'll be as a reinforcing fibre that gets mixed in with the matrix (some sort of polymer) which will give it a rigid shape.

      The article explained the challenges fairly well. First, it's hydrophilic, so bonding it with a hydrophobic polymer won't work very well and you'll end up with poor fibre/matrix bonding which is currently the achillis heal of most natural fibre composites. Sure, there are surface treatments that can help this, but most of the current ones degrade the performance of the fibre while improving the fibre/matrix bond so that the strength increase isn't all that great (I'm talking about macroscopic natural fibres now. this may not be the same for nanocellulose but I expect that it's similar since the chemistry is similar).

      Anyways, best of luck to all the people trying to make this work. I'm making plans for a transparent aluminum boat, but I'd love to use transparent wood if possible :)

  4. Paper armor by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    I *knew* I should have patented the paper armor I made for myself when I was a kid.

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    1. Re:Paper armor by sexconker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I *knew* I should have patented the paper armor I made for myself when I was a kid.

      Mythbusters did it - they made effective (for some uses) paper armor that fit descriptions of such from ancient China.

  5. Re:Same transparent aluminum thought by Sez+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Transparent aluminum is ballistics-resistant so much so that it doesn't even scratch. It's also much more expensive.

    Yeah, but its barter value isn't very high. A guy I know (Monty) only got a few big sheets of plexi in exchange for the transparent aluminum formula. Sheesh.

  6. Cheaper & Stronger than Carbon Fiber? by Zibodiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the biggest problems with building a race car/truck is often the cost of the materials. The stiffer frames built from carbon fiber are insanely expensive. Imagine if we could build a frame out of this for around the cost of steel --the technology could then be used in ordinary cars, with a huge weight savings, and a safer, stronger frame. It could revolutionize the automotive design industry.

    1. Re:Cheaper & Stronger than Carbon Fiber? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The vulnerability to moisture makes it unsuitable for use in street vehicles unless stringent safety regulations are backed by frequent inspection. It would be dandy for high-end race vehicles, though.

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    2. Re:Cheaper & Stronger than Carbon Fiber? by Zerth · · Score: 3, Funny

      So instead of rust it will be "oh, looks like you've got termites in the bodywork. Might as well chop it up for firewood."

    3. Re:Cheaper & Stronger than Carbon Fiber? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Huh I've never seen a CF tube frame (unless you mean a metal one with CF reinforcement). I've competed in offroad rallies and never heard of them. Got any links?

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    4. Re:Cheaper & Stronger than Carbon Fiber? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      One of the biggest problems with building a race car/truck is often the cost of the materials. The stiffer frames built from carbon fiber are insanely expensive. Imagine if we could build a frame out of this for around the cost of steel --the technology could then be used in ordinary cars, with a huge weight savings, and a safer, stronger frame. It could revolutionize the automotive design industry.

      But how much of that insane cost is due to the materials? A large amount of it is due to the labor that is needed to coat and lay the different layers of material and vacuum bag it. There aren't a lot of automated systems for doing this. I'm sure there could be, but I would guess that larger manufacturers would not want this either. It becomes a lot harder to sell new vehicles when the structural components no longer rust or the body doesn't get dings like steel.

      Still, the manufacturing aspect becomes quite different than steel body cars. With steel you run a conveyer through a series of automatic presses to stamp out components that you can stack instantaneously. With composites you need space for molds that need to sit an cure. Then removed from the molds and trimmed. It becomes a much more complex process.

  7. Real World Implications by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does this mean that Ikea furniture will now be bullet proof too?

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  8. Wood armor by kwishot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wood armor - we're back to the medieval days!

    As with most (all?) engineered wood products - what about when it gets wet?

    From TFA:

    Swelling introduces a large number of nano-defects in the cellulose structure. Although there is little swelling of a single CNC, water can penetrate into amorphous cellulose with ease, pushing apart the individual cellulose molecules in those regions. In addition, the bonds and interfaces between neighboring CNC will be disrupted, thereby significantly reducing the strength of any material reinforced with CNCs. To make matters worse, water can move easily over the surface/interfaces of the CNCs, thereby allowing water to penetrate far into a composite containing CNCs.

    They suggest painting it. To be honest, I'm a skeptic. We wore body armor during my time in Iraq, and the abuse that our gear received cannot be overstated. Rain, heat, jumping over walls, dealing with mud. No thanks, I'll stick with Kevlar.

    1. Re:Wood armor by Dinghy · · Score: 2

      As with most (all?) engineered wood products - what about when it gets wet?

      So it's not really bulletproof against a watergun?

  9. Comparisons by Sez+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative
    The chart from TFA is all you really need to know.

    Material, Elastic Modulus, Tensile Strength
    CNC, 150 GPa, 7.5 GPa
    Kevlar 49, 125 GPa, 3.5 GPa
    Carbon fiber, 150 GPa, 3.5 GPa
    Carbon nanotubes, 300 GPa, 20 GPa

    So a great compromise material when you take cost into account, if it comes to fruition.

    1. Re:Comparisons by crizh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be nice to know how strong it is in compression as well as under tension.

      Those figures for Carbon fibre are bollocks BTW. Elastic Modulus varies from a third to five times that depending on how it's made. My gut tells me Elastic Modulus ought to be in MPa rather than GPa. Could be wrong but Wikipedia will know the truth of it....

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    2. Re:Comparisons by crizh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll correct myself then.

      Tensile strength should be in MPa. Those figures are all correctly adjusted but the Carbon Fibre ones are again wrong.

      Typical figures are from as low as 0.25 GPa all the way up to 7.1 GPa.

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    3. Re:Comparisons by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The problem I see with that chart is it's comparing macroscopic material properties to microscopic material properties. The stats for kevlar, carbon fiber, and steel (which are in TFA but you omitted) are macroscopic measurements - sizes and lengths you'd use in real-life construction. The stats for CNC and carbon nanotubes are for microscopic samples. The sample crystalline cellulose given in TFA is only 5x300 nm in size.

      For comparison, the crystalline grains of steel are a few to a hundred micrometers across - roughly 1000x larger. (Yes, steel is made of crystals.) Most of the properties we associate with steel are due to the way these millions of crystal grains adhere to, stretch, and slide past each other under load; not the actual strength of the crystals themselves (which is much higher, though more brittle). Heat treating steel is simply changing the size of these crystals, which impacts how they move past each other.

      Basically, the chart is relevant if you can manufacture CNC crystals several cm in length (about the length of fiberglass chopped strand mat fibers - the lowest tier of structural FRP) at the price point specified in the article (1/10th the cost of kevlar and carbon fiber). But if you can't make them that long, then like carbon nanotubes they're just a laboratory curiosity. The strength of the resin matrix holding the crystals in place will have far more impact on the macroscopic material properties. And I'm willing to bet that plain old wood is pretty optimal in terms of CNC+resin composition, yet results in substantially weaker material properties than steel, carbon fiber, and kevlar.

  10. Re:Wooden space elevator by mcvos · · Score: 2

    You need way more tensile strength for that.

  11. Re:just what human beings need.... by mcvos · · Score: 2

    You don't need to cut down trees from this. You can make it out of twigs or old furniture or any other kind of wood left-overs.

  12. Re:just what human beings need.... by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Uh, at least in the US and Canada the trees used for making pulp come from forests owned by the paper companies and they sure as hell replant them when they harvest. Mead Westvaco (as an example) has a fairly long term view of things, they own 3M acres and process them in a fashion that minimizes the amount of land they have to purchase to meet demand. The only bad thing about timber harvesting is that there's no old growth forests, but those were cut down generations ago and have little to nothing to do with modern forestry practices.

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  13. Re:Same transparent aluminum thought by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Transparent aluminum is ballistics-resistant so much so that it doesn't even scratch. It's also much more expensive.

    Yeah, but its barter value isn't very high. A guy I know (Monty) only got a few big sheets of plexi in exchange for the transparent aluminum formula. Sheesh.

    Yeah, I heard some hospital patient grew a new kidney, too, but got run down months later by someone driving a car made of transparent aluminum, never saw it coming.

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  14. Project Habakkuk by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    Goes to show that Pykrete was ahead of it's time.

  15. In the future... by N0Man74 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the future, there will be a Legend of Zelda game where the Wooden Shield will be the best shield, rather than the starting shield.

  16. Water is an issue for Kevlar and Aramid fibers too by drainbramage · · Score: 2

    My (non wood) vest came with a notice to avoid water/moisture.
    Don't know if it as big an issue for military grade vests because special coatings may be applied....
    Too many Google hits to bother listing.

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  17. Re:just what human beings need.... by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually they generally don't do that, because one blight or beetle means they lose an entire plot for many years, plus their plants will have varying needs and having the cutting crews constantly moving equipment to meet demand is inefficient. Christmas tree farms are a different animal, there the trees are planted and harvested in a handful of years and the harvest season is very short so making things as monoculture as possible is seen as an advantage (plus if you lose a crop your downtime is significantly less).

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  18. Re:just what human beings need.... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    How is this different than fields of wheat or corn?

    Do they not have any process to prevent competition?

  19. Re:just what human beings need.... by NEDHead · · Score: 2

    Have you ever tried to put lights and ornaments on wheat? Duh.

  20. Re:just what human beings need.... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is this different than fields of wheat or corn?

    Do they not have any process to prevent competition?

    They don't damage the soil the same way... but yeah, they're pretty bad too.

    For a smarter way, I'd suggest checking out Geoff Lawton's DVD "Establishing a Food Forest the Permaculture Way". You can view some decent excerpts searching Youtube for the term "Lawton's Guide To Permaculture Design and Strategy"

    Food forests are complex and thus not friendly to automation, so it's not a profitable way for one man to establish himself as the gatekeeper to the cupboards of a million of his fellows.

    However, they're less expensive in terms of materials, produce significantly more food in the same space, require no maintenance, and once they're built, they can and have lasted thousands of years.

    Example: 300 year old food forest in Vietnam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ZgzwoQ-ao

    Example: 2000 year old food forest in Morocco
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hftgWcD-1Nw

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  21. Re:just what human beings need.... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    Actually, in Canada, the paper companies don't own the forests. They are harvesting crown land. The wood and paper companies pay only and "administrative fee" to allow them to cut down the trees. They do however have to replant after they are done. The good thing is that the government stays in control of the forests and can stop logging on certain areas if they deem fit. This is the reasoning for the softwood lumber dispute. Americans claim the Canadian forestry companies are receiving a subsidy, and therefore should be subject to import duties.

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  22. Performance of product - seems promising by ace37 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This will require some years of development, but it certainly shows promise.

    The strength and stiffness of a fiber are not the performance we'll directly obtain from the materials. It's more like a potential number. Typical 'carbon fiber' products have on the order of 60%-75% fiber and 40%-30% plastic by volume, where epoxy is one of the most common plastics. The carbon fibers contribute strength and stiffness, but it would fracture easily with a rigid binder. The softer plastic binder acts to share and redistribute loading efficiently (after some fibers break) to keep the carbon fibers more or less all carrying load effectively.

    They'll have to go experiment until they find which plastics work well with this. That took a long time for composites since if the plastic binds too strongly to the fibers, the resulting composite is very brittle and loses a lot of potential strength. Also, to optimize the bond strength, carbon/kevlar/glass/etc fibers are typically treated with a 'sizing' that help the fibers bind optimally to a targeted plastic or set of plastics. Hopefully this new material can leapfrog off of the progress and work of the composites industry. Humidity will also be a concern that requires some testing and may cause some compromise on binder selection.

    Also, 'typical' fiber properties really depend on the application. A typical aerospace carbon fiber is Hexcel IM7, which shows considerable improvement over the properties they reported in the article, and others can be a fair bit better or worse. The IM7 6k tow fiber is reported to have:
    Ultimate Tensile Strength: 5.15 GPa
    Elastic Modulus: 276 GPa
    http://www.hexcel.com/resources/datasheets/carbon-fiber-data-sheets/im7.pdf

    Sample properties of one finished product provide:
    Ultimate Tensile Strength: 2.5 GPa
    Elastic Modulus: 163 GPa
    http://www.hexcel.com/Resources/DataSheets/Prepreg-Data-Sheets/8552_eu.pdf

    A few years ago the least expensive carbon fiber would sell for ~$15/lb raw material with the epoxy typically around $9/lb, and the IM7 fiber above is probably an order of magnitude more costly. I don't know what figures they used for their cost comparison, but they can't really have the whole cradle to grave process figured out at this stage anyway, so we'll see what happens when they get some material fabricated.

    There's a lot of work ahead, but this seems promising!

  23. Cold molding by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Far from it. Many boats are made by "cold molding", in which you start with a mold and build up your own plywood layers on top using thin veneers and epoxy resin. The result is light, strong, and very water resistant indeed if done properly. Some woods such as mahogany and utile are already extremely strong and stiff (comparing equivalent mass/area) compared to e.g. aluminum and fiberglass, and this looks like it would be more of the same, only much easier to form.

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  24. Re:just what human beings need.... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, this is not an excuse to cut down trees. Its an excuse to grow more, and cut down on the amount of waste that is discarded from what wood products we use. TFS even stated that CNC is made from 'wood chips and sawdust' which was, until this product was discovered, a trash byproduct of the lumber industry.

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  25. They're looking for another way to use their trees by bdwoolman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Paper demand is very sluggish in the developed world. The slow death (or metamorphosis) of the newspaper industry that is directly related to the digital publishing revolution is clearly responsible. The less-paper world is coming. It's coming later than many thought it would, but the paper companies are really feeling it. A friend who follows the paper industry told me that projected paper demand is a full thirty percent lower now than expected in the developed world. Not that demand is actually shrinking, it is just growing slower -- a lot slower -- than earlier trends projected. The developing world is more robust. Corporate investments in forests are by nature long-term. And there is a glut due to demand not growing as projected. Hence intensive research -- as seen in this FA -- into other ways to use pulp in quantity.

    I briefly looked for something comprehensive to make my point and found this article from Paper Age. It is pretty general, but the writing is on the wall-mounted tablet display.

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  26. Re:just what human beings need.... by spauldo · · Score: 2

    A good chunk of the Okies ended up in California doing migrant labor (both sides of my family were involved in that, so no, I'm not just basing it off of The Grapes of Wrath). If they hadn't been there, then they probably would have just had Mexican migrant labor doing it, so there wasn't really any advantage from the Okie influx.

    There was a major disadvantage - Oklahoma had just acheived statehood some 30-40 years before the dust bowl. Towns were growing, and new businesses were being built up. A lot of that went away when farms failed, and there's a lot of ghost towns out that way. I've noticed a marked difference in western Oklahoma in my lifetime - it's still recovering. Had the dust bowl not happened, Oklahoma would have probably fared the depression fairly well.

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  27. Will soon be produced in Quebec by elvie · · Score: 2

    The first facility to produce nanocrystalline cellulose on a large scale will be in Windsor, Quebec, Canada. FPInnovations and Domtar are partnering to produce and commercialize nonocrystalline cellulose under the name "CelluForce" at Domtar's pulp mill in Windsor. $36 million (including federal and provincial dollars) are being invested into the construction of the plant.

    Both the aerospace and automotive industries are interested in nanocrystalline cellulose as an ingredient for lightweight, high-strength composite materials.

    It also has other potential - earlier this year, a 16 year old student discovered the cellulose of tree pulp also has anti-aging benefits!