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OpenSUSE 12.2 Is Out
First time accepted submitter jospoortvliet writes with news of a new openSUSE release. From the release announcement: "Two months of extra stabilization work have resulted into a stellar release, chock-full of goodies, yet stable as you all like it. The latest release of the world's most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution brings you speed-ups across the board with a faster storage layer in Linux 3.4 and accelerated functions in glibc and Qt, giving a more fluid and responsive desktop. The infrastructure below openSUSE has evolved, bringing in newly matured technologies like GRUB2 and Plymouth and the first steps in the direction of a revised and simplified UNIX file system hierarchy. Users will also notice the added polish to existing features bringing an improved user experience all over. The novel Btrfs file system comes with improved error handling and recovery tools. KDE has improved its stability, GNOME 3.4, developing rapidly, brings smooth scrolling to all applications and features a reworked System Settings and Contacts manager while XFCE has an enhanced application finder. Download openSUSE 12.2 from any of our mirrors."
Also, has the Yast GUI been fixed to make some kind of sense?
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FOOD FIGHT!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Snapper looks like a nifty tool, but does using it still open up the user to constant ENOSPC denial of services? Still have to constantly rebalance your BTRFS when using RAID?
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I see new versions for everything except XFCE
DID try 12.1 quite a lot and was terribly disappointed.
Reformated harddrive and reinstalled 11.4 - and HAPPY!
WHY?
11.4 has GNOME 2 - Now THAT's a GREAT UI.
(At least when seeing the alternatives)
perl -e 'printf("%x!\n",49153)'
It seems that it was worth it to delay the release with few weeks. This 12.2 release works really well on brand new Ultrabook (in this case Samsung Series 5). Recent hardware including Intel HD 4000, and new chipset - I guess it is thanks to Intel's open source drivers (and of course hard work of packagers) that experience is this good.
Maybe Year of Desktop Linux is near?
TFS says it runs different desktops; take your pick. The last time I tried Suse was ten years ago. I would have liked it if half of my hardware would have worked (especially the video card). I think I'll give it another try, I have to downgrade kubuntu anyway since the latest upgrade broke Flash, and Amarok now freezes the PC if I leave it running for more than a few days. If Suse gives me trouble I'll just reinstall the earlier kubuntu (I shouldn't have upgraded, it was working fine).
Yeah, I know, I need more memory... but this isn't Windows. It should just work, like Mandrake always did. Aramok needs to work on their memory leaks.
Free Martian Whores!
Yes, KNetworkManager has connected to wireless networks without root privileges since forever.
GUI - "some kind of sense" is subjective and vague. Here's a current screenshot from YaST 2.21.24 in openSUSE 12.1: http://i.imgur.com/06QLC.png Point out what you don't like or what you think needs to be improved.
I don't speak German you insensitive clod!
I don't speak German you insensitive clod!
You could also read in silence.
Does 12.2 still support KDE 3? In 12.1 you could install KDE 3 as a supported desktop environment and it was way better than of the new DE garbage out there.
Why does Geico have a Linux distro?
Certainly, less than two months ago one person's verdict on the Ubuntu distribution of Plymouth was that 'clearly at least one Ubuntu maintainer is smoking crack'. One hopes the OpenSUSE situation is a more sensible one...
"OpenSUSE 12.2 is Out" is a notice, not a news story title. A better title: "A Review for the Just Released OpenSUSE 12.2."
Such a hoot you losers are. You do understand these are facts don't you? And you mod down FACTS?
Suck it up commies.
Huh? Only one bit was actually numbers (actually somewhat interesting numbers, if true). The rest was opinion -- some of it conflicting. E.g., so does the writer think the speech was a rehash being overly praised, or a strong performance? I can't tell, both are stated.
Anywho, it doesn't matter as it has nothing to do with SuSE. It should be down-moded, as should yours as well as mine. If you want to be a dipshit political nonsense troll, go over to WaPo forums or the DailyKos. You'll have more fun over there and /. readers will enjoy their afternoons free of numbskulls that don't even know their target audience (victims) well enough to know that there needs to be an Apple, Google or MS tie-in.
E.g., Have you noticed how RNC podium was rectangular with rounded corners but the DNC podium was not. Makes you think... I know for sure I won't be voting for the anti-IP "Google" party.
I haven't had to use a root password to change WiFi networks in... ever?
The latest software updates on my 12.1 (finally) removed the need to provide root password for VPN access.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
OpenSUSE is my favorite distro by quite a bit. I look forward to using 12.2 the next time I install Linux.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
I wish I was joking, but I have clients who insist on running OpenSuSE. I think their justification had something to do with mono... Fortunately I don't manage their servers, so it never comes up except when they lock themselves out.
And how much longer is 11.4 supported? Quick google of wiki suggests that ends next month...
This could form the basis of an Ask Slashdot: Since there's a whole lot of love here for Gnome 2.x, what's the distro that'll be last standing for that GUI?
Disclaimer: I'm using Ubuntu 10.04, which means I'll finally have to decide what GUI to jump to next in April.
I've been using ubuntu because their silly alphabet animal names were entertaining. I don't know why i never really thought about opensuse before though. Their little chameleon logo is CUTE AS A BUTTON! I'm a convert!
thats cause you're using traditional network management... for wireless network without root you need to use network-manager based control... ie gnome-nm-applet or kde network applet.
That's funny, /sbin/ifconfig eth0 as a normal user works on Ubuntu.. and openSUSE, and Debian, and pretty much every Linux distribution, everywhere.
in 12.2. See earlier comments.
Maybe I'm just old and grumpy, but all of this fancy new crap that obfuscates the boot process really ticks me off. If a machine has trouble booting, the last thing I want is some fancy gui with a pretty stop-watch ticking endlessly at me, rather than seeing "NFS server foo not responding" in black and white. So now rather than having just the actual problem to fix, I've got to use a second machine to figure out how to shut off the god damned gui (or how to get into the grub menu) before I can even get a hint what the actual problem might be.
Now get off my lawn.
I think you misunderstand what Yast is these days. It's for the quickening of the tasks you might want to do as a sysadmin. Need to enable X forwarding for SSH? You can dig up the location of the config file, find the appropriate line, and type in the appropriate word to enable it (yes, enable, y, or on?) or you can go to Yast, hit SSH, check X forwarding and be done with it.
Need to run VNC like an X session? Yast can do it in about 3 seconds. The GUI makes more sense than googling around, editing a config file, cutting/pasting something you found on a forum, and crossing your fingers.
TV card not automatically detected? Easy with yast, no sudo modprobing blues.
But that's not the reason to use openSUSE. The reason to use openSUSE is you can go to http://www.susestudio.com and spin your own distro in about 10 minutes running every piece of software you want and no software you don't.
Check the bug tracker here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?&query_format=advanced&order=Importance&field0-0-0=op_sys&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=openSUSE&resolution=---&product=openSUSE%2012.2&classification=openSUSE - Lots of critical and major bugs left that can leave you with an unusable system until you figure out the poblem and find the work-around for it.
Some distros have actually started replacing ifconfig (net-tools) with ip (iproute2). But yeah, you can use ip as non-root as well.
At least OpenSUSE will let you find out your IPaddr without root access. Try that with Ubuntu! (you can't).
Yes you can. "ifconfig" and "ip address" in a terminal work just fine for a standard user. The network control panels for the different DE's I've used in Ubuntu have always been able to provide this information, as well.
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Because it's home to idiots like you.
I read "revized filesystem heirarchy" and recoiled, this is code word for "Lets change all of the layout to confuse everyone for no good reason becasue we are trying to be cute, using directory names like /OpenSuse System/My Wonderful Applications/Mozilla Firefox/Mozilla Firefox.exe, and /All of My Application Configuration Files/Mozilla Firefox, and all sorts of long names, that are a pain to type, and as well, perhaps confusing things and making things hard to find by failing to keep things well categorized like Unix has been known for.
Basically the directory heirarchy is fine and there is no reason or need to change it so anyone who says they want to change it is creating more problems for users because they think its a good idea to force their whims on everyone else.
Most common users won't use the heirarchy since they will launch programs with the start menu and most applications they use have a series of quick link buttons such as for Documents directory on the left side of the file dialogs anyway.
I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and perform this gut wrenching upgrade. I'm presently running 11.3 and they've dropped support for a while now. I just hate the upgrade process.
1. Oh, you should really install from scratch. We wouldn't want anything bad to happen to your upgrade.(and it will)
2. Everything you spent days getting to work last time will be broken again. Audio, video, fonts, Plymouth(what the fuck for?)...
3. You'll love the way that KDE and Gnome have changed absolutely everything so the default apps are all new(read broken and incomplete and the old apps are incompatible).
I swear to God I'm seriously thinking of going to Windows for the first time since 1998. But, that pile of crap is about to do the exact same shit with the release of Windows 8. Perhaps it's time to buy a Mac. Oh for God's sake! Has it really come to this?
If you hate Gnome 3, it is better to switch to XFCE, or LXDE, or KDE than to cling to an obsolete OS.
It always made sense to me. It's one of the top 3 reasons I stick with openSuse. The "pattern" concept in recent YaSTs is a little confusing at first (only because it complicates the GUI) - but once you've used it you don't want to go back.
YaST seems to combine the best of Windows style configuration GUI's, with a better view of the underlying mechanisms, and it put's everything in one place in a way that I've not encountered elsewhere in Windows or Linux.
I'm a software visionary. I don't code.
It's rubbish. As expected.
They should change its name to "openShithead".
This is one distro I've not followed. What's the difference b/w SUSE & OpenSUSE?
I also like that YAST is consistent with GUI or console. I haven't tried the webyast tet.
Cheap storage VM.
I also like that YAST is consistent with GUI or console. I haven't tried the webyast tet.
Good points! You reminded me of the console YaST. I use that often to do some admin on a server through ssh, without starting the GUI. It's a brilliant tool.
I didn't know about webyast. Thanks for the tip.
I'm a software visionary. I don't code.
It took a long time to finish the version...