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Google Reinvents Micropayments — As Surveywall

Hugh Pickens writes "Frédéric Filloux writes that eighteen months ago — under non disclosure — Google showed publishers a new transaction system for inexpensive products such as newspaper articles. It works like this: to gain access to a web site, the user is asked to participate to a short consumer research session: a single question or a set of images leading to a quick choice. It can be anything: pure market research for a packaging or product feature, surveying a specific behavior, evaluating a service, intention, expectation, you name it. Google's size puts it in a unique position to probe millions of people in a short period of time and the more Google gains in reliability, accuracy, and granularity (i.e. ability to probe a segment of blue collar-pet owners in Michigan or urbanite coffee-drinkers in London), the bigger it gets and the better it performs cutting market research costs 90% compared to traditional surveys. Companies will pay $150 for 1500 responses drawn from the general U.S. internet population. But what's in it for users? A young audience will be more inclined to accept such a surveywall because they always resist any form of payment for digital information, regardless of quality, usefulness, or relevance. Free is the norm. Or its illusion. This way users make micropayments, but with attention and data instead of cash. 'Young people have already demonstrated their willingness to give up their privacy in exchange for free services such as Facebook — they have yet to realize they paid the hard price,' writes Filloux. 'Economically, having one survey popping up from time to time — for instance when the user reconnects to a site — makes sense. Viewed from a spreadsheet, it could yield more money than the cheap ads currently in use.'"

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  1. Old Idea, and Users Hate It by Mr.+Kinky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an old idea. There already exist such services for webmasters (like ShareCash.org) and people universally hate having to fill surveys or fill forms before getting something. It's not even worthless stuff like news articles, some people put full movies (illegally, of course) behind such and people still hate it.

    And besides, if Google starts offering such service (again, these already exist and pay up to $1-2 per user, so much more than Google's $150 for 1500 users), the problems still continue. Users hate it and rogue webmasters put pirated content or fake aimbots and similar behind it, and people hate it even more.

    1. Re:Old Idea, and Users Hate It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      worthless stuff like news articles

      I fear for our future.

    2. Re:Old Idea, and Users Hate It by Mr.+Kinky · · Score: 3, Funny

      worthless stuff like news articles

      I fear for our future.

      Actually, I have fully stopped following news. I don't notice any difference. The only news I get are from slashdot. I still don't feel like I'm missing anything.

    3. Re:Old Idea, and Users Hate It by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I have fully stopped following news. I don't notice any difference. The only news I get are from slashdot. I still don't feel like I'm missing anything.

      You are. Do you know how I know that?

      I follow the news.

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    4. Re:Old Idea, and Users Hate It by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Besides science discoveries, what of any importance is reported by the news?

      War. Pestilence. Famine. Death.

      The four horsemen of the apocalypse are already abroad in the world. And it matters that you know it. The electoral choices made by American people cast a long shadow - over the Middle East in particular, but over the world as a whole. And yet the US electorate is quite frighteningly ignorant of what happens beyond their borders. OK, I appreciate that part of the reason you don't read the news is that the principal news media available to you are on the whole dishonest, corrupt and trivial. But there are other news media (and news aggregators). The BBC, and many of the UK 'broadsheet' sites (e.g. Guardian, Telegraph) are English language, well informed and honest (note: I did not say 'unbiased' - nothing human is unbiased). Al Jazeera seems to be well informed and honest, too, and provides a usefully different perspective.

      If we carry on as we're going, global warming and with provoking conflict, war, famine and pestilence will arrive in the United States in your lifetime. You have a duty to be informed - a duty to yourself, as much as to anyone else.

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    5. Re:Old Idea, and Users Hate It by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe you actually beleive that you follow the news. Maybe you don't What you are getting is misinformation. I have been to numerous accidents as a Towing & Recovery operator in my youth, and they never once got the details right. I am aware of several occasions when stories were done and ... wait for it ... they got the facts completely wrong. Did you know that the only solution to computer virus issues is to suck it up and use an Anti-virus tool. There is no other choice. There is no such thing as Linux. I see it all the time on the news!

      Add to that that ethics has gone out the door quite some time ago, and you now get the newspeak version of every story that best supports their corporate/political agenda and I would be willing to bet my life that you are not getting the news. What you are getting is slanted misinformation which you wrongly take to be mostly factual, when in fact nothing could be further from the case.

      In other words, you are actually more misinformed than someone who doesn't pay attention to the misinformation. OTOH, if you are like most US Citizens then you won't let that little fact get in your way, because by now you have no doubt settled in on sources that tell you the stories you want to hear and believe.

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  2. Already seen these by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh, man, do these suck. I got a "to continue to your content, please answer these survey questions!" box popup a couple of weeks ago. I just entered some fake responses as soon as I could and clicked 'submit'.

    Coming up next: survey responses that follow you around the internet, slowly building up a full profile. Erase your cookies, and it starts from the beginning all over again. Alternatively, it starts "personalizing" web pages for you based on your previous answers. I can only imagine what a web page would look like for a Latvian lumberjack who makes $10,000 or less per year.

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    1. Re:Already seen these by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point of Google's system is its not 'answer these questions' (plural) its 'answer this single question' (singular). its meant to be fast and unobtrusive. 1 click and you are through. IF that is truly the case, then i can see there system working. Otherwise, its like you said, people just fake it, or leave, and find the information elsewhere.

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    2. Re:Already seen these by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4

      People will give the wrong answer quite a bit of the time anyway.

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  3. Poison! by fitteschleiker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love poisoning the data of market researchers! :D

    1. Re:Poison! by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 2

      I love poisoning the data of market researchers! :D

      I know, damn those corporations asking you what you want. The bastards.

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    2. Re:Poison! by dfm3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not exactly. It's been a while since I took a statistics course (actually, several) but it's understood that people are VERY poor at faking truly random data. For example, in the case above most respondents would almost consistently choose the wrong answer or the CowboyNeal option instead of the correct answer, which they should occasionally do if they are trying to submit a genuinely random response. Thus any data poisoning by individuals would tend to favor the less popular responses.

    3. Re:Poison! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      You make a great point. Whenever a market researcher stands in my way on the street and refuses to let me pass until I answer their question I am always highly appreciative and make certain to give them a thoughtful, well considered, and accurate answer.

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  4. Forced analogy by EdZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't call this system "micropayment". It's more "adwall that you have to interact with to pass". You've swapped out watching a video for filling a survey, whoopee.

  5. But what's in it for users? by mounthood · · Score: 3, Funny

    Summary is both Funny and Insightful: But what's in it for users? ...uhmm they'll tolerate it, because they're young, broke and already trained.

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  6. This isn't micropayments and it isn't new by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Trading survey answers for content is not micropayments. It's missing the micro part and the payment part. It's something that only the very young, very poor, or very bored will do, and as such, it's a) not going to get a representative segment of the market, and b) going to turn away a lot of your visitors. People tried this back in the 90s and nobody was interested.

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    1. Re:This isn't micropayments and it isn't new by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Trading survey answers for content is not micropayments.

      It would be more fair to call it 'microbarter'. 'Payments' involves money or currency of some type (fungible consumption value being the important characteristic).

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  7. Re:I'd be good with this by commlinx · · Score: 2

    If there's one thing internet users have plenty of, it's opinions.

    Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

    ~~~~ Dirty Harry

  8. Extensions by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

    It will be a race to see who can write the quickest/wittiest browser extension/plugin to automagically fill in these surveys. Once it becomes transparent to the users, the marketing data will be total crap. Bonus points though for the developer that gains market share, then flips the evil bit and tailors the survey results based on the what the survey customer wants to see.

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  9. My experience with Google Wallet by Kartu · · Score: 4, Informative

    For what it's worth (and maybe a warning to others):

    1) Buy "World of Goo" using my PC (!) for my shiny new tablet and set up a "google wallet",
    2) 5 or 10 minutes later "congratulations, you've bought 5000 Happy Stars" for €8.99 (non-refundable), apparently my 5 year old kid clicked on something while playing "Sheeps & Clouds"
    3) Attempt to fight this, what I consider to be a legalized scam, ended with nothing

    In other words, if you set up google wallet 3rd party apps on Android OS can make payments without asking you for password or anything. It is amazing that it works that way since Apple had problem when remembering password for 15 mins. Google effectively "remembers" it forever, without even asking you once.

    1. Re:My experience with Google Wallet by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try blaming google less and consider it a cheap reminder to not let the tablet babysit your children.

      If you really don't want to spend the time watching them setup a PIN for inapp purchases.
      http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1626831

    2. Re:My experience with Google Wallet by Bronster · · Score: 2

      Let me guess, you have children?

  10. Without news, you'd never find out about SOPA by tepples · · Score: 2

    The vast majority of people doesn't use the news in their day to day activities

    That's the problem. Without some form of news, how would people become aware of legislative attacks on the public's freedom such as the PROTECTIP bill? Sure, this one in particular didn't hit the mainstream news media until the Wikipedia-led blackout because the movie studios co-owned by the mainstream news media would have benefited from it, but how else are people supposed to learn of legislative developments that affect their lives?