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Why Are Operating System Version Names So Absurd?

jfruh writes "Apple's spent more than a decade on version 10 — or, rather, X — of its flagship operating system, with .x versions named after big cats (and many of them, it turns out, after the same big cats). Ubuntu Linux is scrambling to find ever more obscure animals to alliteratively name its versions after. And let's not even talk about Windows, whose current shipping OS is sold as Windows 7 but is really Windows NT 6.1. Why is this area of software marketing so ridiculous?"

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  1. And what's the deal with names anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My friend Peter is not a rock, and my friend Thomas isn't even a twin.

    1. Re:And what's the deal with names anyway? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've been shaving since 2004.

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    2. Re:And what's the deal with names anyway? by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides that, isn't TFA judging Windows by the exact same thing we are told NOT to judge by when it comes to Linux, aka 'Linux is just a kernel'? After all it is the kernel that is WinNT 6.1 whereas the distro (again using Linux terminology) is Windows 7.

      Can't have your cake and eat it to, rules are rules and if you want people to call it Ubuntu Myopic Monkey instead of Linux then call Windows by the name and OSX by the name.

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    3. Re:And what's the deal with names anyway? by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It won't work that way, because there are only a few lines of Linux kernels and hundreds of distributions.
      With Windows, you have a few lines of kernels too, but only a handful of distributions (a.k.a. home, professional, server, database server etc.pp.).

      So yes, it's Windows NT 6.1 with the distributions Windows 7 Home and Professional and Windows 2010 Server. But look how many Linux distributions are currently shipping with Linux 3.0!

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    4. Re:And what's the deal with names anyway? by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Version numbers are entirely arbitrary. It's not like version 2 actually corresponds to the 2nd build is it...

      Version numbers are a lot less arbitrary than artsy-fartsy names like "Dapper Drake" or "Mangled Melon" or whatever Ubuntu is up to today. Nobody said that version numbers match the "build", but they do match the releases.

      I find it much easier to understand that CentOS 6.1 is a newer version than CentOS 6.0, for example, than trying to remember that "Killer Kangaroo" is newer than "Sloppy Sloth".

      Why get upset when someone decides that OS 10 is something special, or that the first version will be 3, the second 3.1 and the third 3.14.

      I don't think anyone does.

  2. Marketing by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple never would've been able to convince the Mac faithful to purchase OPENSTEP 5.0, &c.

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    1. Re:Marketing by 0racle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not very faithful then are they.

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    2. Re:Marketing by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Probably true, but they're going downhill on the feline names already.

      I hope they don't change before we get "OS X Domestic Cat".

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    3. Re:Marketing by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny

      Probably true, but they're going downhill on the feline names already.

      I hope they don't change before we get "OS X Domestic Cat".

      OS X Kitty has a better ring to it.

    4. Re:Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      OS X Kitty has a better ring to it.

      How about OSX Dangerous Pussy?

    5. Re:Marketing by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 3, Informative

      Debian started using names from Toy Story (including cute animal names) in 1996. The Tux the Penguin has been around for at least as long.

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    6. Re:Marketing by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, for some reason, they already rejected my suggestion: "OS X Pussy"

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    7. Re:Marketing by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple's animal names started as internal code names (intended to obscure what was being worked on), that leaked out. Rumor sites would talk about the upcoming project 'Puma', not really knowing much about it, and then it became apparent that this was the next version of the OS, so the same sites would continue to refer to it as 'Puma' to keep things consistent.

      Repeat again with 'Jaguar', but this time Apple's marketing department noticed that people liked the name, and decided to continue using it themselves. The next code name was then chosen with marketing's involvement....

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    8. Re:Marketing by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's whatever colour Apple wants it to be.

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    9. Re:Marketing by Ralphus+Maximus · · Score: 5, Funny

      OS X Hello Kitty

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    10. Re:Marketing by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 4, Funny

      OS X Kitty has a better ring to it.

      How about OSX Dangerous Pussy?

      That would be OSXXX Dangerous Pussy

    11. Re:Marketing by acid_andy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, for some reason, they already rejected my suggestion: "OS X Pussy"

      or vagina.

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    12. Re:Marketing by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mac OS X Cringer.
      Then they can license "By the power of Greyskull! I have the POWER!!!!" as a marketing gimmick to promote the following release, Mac OS X Battle Cat.

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    13. Re:Marketing by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 4, Funny

      OS X Soft Kitty
      OS X Warm Kitty
      OS X Happy Kitty
      OS X Sleepy Kitty

      But those are bug fix releases ... for a computer program, having a bug is kind of like being sick, right?

  3. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You cannot trademark numbers.

    Also, for most non-techies, it is easier to remember "Tiger" than "10.4"

    1. Re:Easy by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You cannot trademark numbers.

      Also, for most non-techies, it is easier to remember "Tiger" than "10.4"

      I'd disagree on the latter. Which came first, Debian Potatoe or Debian Sarge? Damfino (well, actually I do, but,...) However every noob knows 2005 is more recent than 2000.

      Where I work, internally, its all git-flow, and our releases have really boring, yet informative, names which are basically of the format:

      release/`date +%Y-%M-%d`

      Like today's heroic effort would be release/2012-09-11

      This date structure also helps with git-flow features, obviously you can't have two "add some bs" branches but you can have "2012-06-01-add-some-bs" and "2012-08-13-add-some-bs"

      If one of my coworkers gets outta whack about last monday's release I know exactly what he's talking about, that would be release/2012-08-27 Or I can even find 2012-06-18. But "Rumbly Rumpelstiltskin v2.1D" WTF is that? thats just unprofessional.

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    2. Re:Easy by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Non-techies?

      I would wager the engineers play a big role in all these names. Just look at what happens when the are asked to start naming their servers....

    3. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which came first, Debian Potatoe or Debian Sarge?

      Which came first, Debian Chicken or Debian Egg?

    4. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If they were really smart, the would release every six months. Like maybe in April and October. Then they could follow a year.month format for their releases. So 11.10 could be released October 2011, and 12.04 could be released April 2012, maybe a 12.10 in October 2012.

    5. Re:Easy by Andrewkov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Still better than their other naming convention, "The New iPad".

      Not sure what the next one will be called..

    6. Re:Easy by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's harder to remember that Tiger is newer or older than Panther or Leopard.

    7. Re:Easy by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It really doesn't matter of the non-techie knows the order of release. The non-techie simply needs to tell the tech helping them out that they have Jaunty Jackalope. Even if the non-tech mangles the name it's still more likely to communicate to the tech--in spite of the data loss--what they have. You'll dance in circles all day if you're trying to coax a version number out of them from memory.

      Non-tech: "I remember it starts with a 'J' and um I remember something about an antelope, no, that's not right, um..."
      Tech: "Do you mean Jaunty Jackalope?"
      Non-tech: "Yes that's it! Jaunty Jackalope."

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    8. Re:Easy by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Newer iPad. Followed by Newest iPad & Shut Up And Take My Money iPad.

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    9. Re:Easy by PRMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But that causes problems too. When the old Rio Vista server gets repurposed as the second WebSense server, what do you call it? I've seen people include the OS, SQL, IIS versions (oops we upgraded it in place), the room number (moved that to our new location), physical vs virtual, etc. and within 3 years, it all worthless because it's all wrong (or wrong often enough not to be trusted).

      I honestly wish that servers would be named after something like Star Wars planets or something, it actually gives them a character that you can remember instead of Win2008_IIS7_P_SantaAna (which is, of course, a Windows 2008 R2 instance running IIS 7.5 on a virtual machine in Amazon's cloud, but we can't change the name or everything will break). I would be much happier if it were just called OrdMantell.

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  4. Or Fifa 98 by Mr.+Kinky · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can you believe that Fifa 98 was really made in 1997?! WOOOHOO!

  5. Solaris? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And Solaris 2.x is SunOS 5.x. There's the software version and then there's the marketing name. If you haven't noticed, Windows NT went 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, 2000, XP/2003, 7/2008, 2012, 8.

    It's not really any more ridiculous than any other marketing effort.

    1. Re:Solaris? by wastedlife · · Score: 4, Informative

      You missed a couple of NT releases, here is the complete list:

      3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, 2000, XP/2003, Vista/2008, 7/2008R2, 8/2012

      I can't blame you for missing 3.51, although it was a separate release from 3.5. I also can't blame you for completely dismissing the existence of Vista, I know I would like to.

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  6. Huh? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows, whose current shipping OS is sold as Windows 7 but is really Windows NT 6.1

    This is a distinction between a brand name and a kernel version number. Why is this more absurd compared to "Precise Pangolin" for instance?

    Regardless, I think you'll find names of almost any product in a sufficiently crowded marketplace become absurd as they try to differentiate themselves and also avoid stepping on any trademarked names. You see this with domain names in particular.

  7. Because Marketing != Version Control by Aquitaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Naming a product to sell it in a commercial market has got nothing to do with internal release milestones, and you don't have to be a marketing expert to realize that 'Windows 11' doesn't sound especially cool, whereas 'X' or 'Wild Giraffe' both sound awesome.

    The question is more ridiculous than the discrepancy.

  8. Newsworthy? by kwerle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could we have a tag: 'newsworthy' - something to identify a story as being worth paying ANY attention to?

    1. Re:Newsworthy? by Nimey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. They'd abuse it like the "story" tag that gets put onto non-stories all the time.

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  9. I'm a beefy miracle! by Nushio · · Score: 4, Informative

    It helps when you're googling to know which software version you're in. Sometimes it's easier to Google for "Ubuntu Boring Beaver" than "Ubuntu 11.04" or whatever. Likewise with Windows, noone ever calls it Windows NT so noone would bother searching for Windows NT 6.1 issues.

    It's all in the marketing, as many have stated.

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  10. Because... by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Operating Systems are fundamentally boring. Once you get past the fanboi-ism, they are just software that sits there on your computer. They are there to *facilitate* your work, but they don't produce anything in and of themselves.

    So you have to jazz them up as much as you can, so people will take notice.

  11. what a waste of time by cynop · · Score: 5, Informative

    i suppose MsDOS 6.22, windows 3.11, system V and AmigaOS 3.1 were much more meaningfull, right? jeez, TFA is a waste of time

  12. Windows 7 is Windows 7... by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...because convincing people to pay $200 to upgrade from Windows NT 6.0 to Windows NT 6.1 is not as easy as telling them it's a whole new version of Windows.

    Also, Apple uses the big cat theme for the same reason. Tell somebody you want $30 to upgrade them from 10.7 to 10.8 and you wouldn't have much success. On the flip side, there's not enough of a difference between each version of Mac OS X to warrant each getting its own major number. They're all based on the same underlying kernel and subsystems but have new features and UI improvements as the big selling point.

  13. Absurd? by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Absurd? I don't know what you're talking about.

    [posted from Quantal Quetzal 12.10b1]

  14. If they avoided numbers... by msauve · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the might end up with something like:
    OS
    OS:The Animated Series
    OS:The Next Generation
    OS: Deep Space 9
    OS: Voyager
    OS: Enterprise

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  15. I like Androids concept by na1led · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pick a name in alphabetical order. That way you have an idea if you have the latest version.

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  16. Re:Drivers by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is correct. MS changes the kernel major version number when they introduce major (sometimes backward-incompatible) driver-interface changes. They actually aren't always backward-incompatible; NT6.0 (Vista) would actually load most NT5.1 (XP) or even 5.0 (2000) drivers just fine... but it wasn't generally supported, and the installers would freak out at the changed major version number (this could be worked around by running in Compatibility Mode to spoof the version info, among other things). Besides, some drivers (notably network and printer drivers, which had significant interface changes) just *didn't* work correctly, if at all, with NT6.x. Windows 8 is still NT 6.2 because, although they've removed a few more of the old NT5.x driver interfaces, the 6.x drivers will still work.

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  17. Re:talk about it on /.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you type "/." in your address bar in Opera, it will take you to slashdot.

  18. Re:talk about it on /.? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 4, Funny

    A site about proctologists???

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  19. The real reason Windows has the version number... by mystikkman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary, folks here and the TFA(didn't read fully!) seem to be missing the point about why the internal Windows Version is 6.1 for Windows 7. The reason is that a LOT of software, drivers and other utilities have this kind of code in them:

    if(first letter of Windows Version Number) is not 6 Print 'Error, OS not compatible'

    Even though the software is fully compatible with the OS(because they didn't change the driver model from Vista), the non updated software from old CDs etc. throw up this error. To get around this issue, Windows internally names it 6.1, so the offending software thinks it's on some Vista service pack. Also, this is an *internal* version number compared to Apple's and Ubuntu's OSes which are the marketing names, so I don't even see why this was brought up except as flamebait.

  20. Re:The real reason Windows has the version number. by SteveFoerster · · Score: 3, Funny

    To get around this issue, Windows internally names it 6.1, so the offending software thinks it's on some Vista service pack.

    Correctly, many would say.

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  21. Re:The real reason Windows has the version number. by MarcQuadra · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't why Windows 7 is 6.1, or why Windows 8 is 6.2.

    The reason is that Windows 7 actually is just a minor revision on Vista, and 8 is a minor revision from that. Under the hood, the big changes were between NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 (Windows NT 5), then between 2000 and Vista (Windows 6). The changes from 5.0 to 5.1 (2000 to XP) or from 6.0 to 6.1 to 6.2 (Vista, 7, and 8) were incremental in nature as far as the inner workings of the OS are concerned.

    The real reason 7 felt so much faster than Vista: When they made Vista, they planned on you booting up very infrequently, so they scheduled a lot of junk to happen at boot and login, thinking that users would just 'sleep' instead of rebooting. Windows 7 (And Vista SP2) backs off a bit and does the housekeeping when you're not using the computer. Vista actually wasn't really 'slow', it's just 'irrationally busy' doing stuff with the I/O (indexing, precaching, defragmenting, etc.) while you're just trying to get to your gosh-darned desktop.

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