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Intel Predicts Ubiquitous, Almost-Zero-Energy Computing By 2020

MrSeb writes "Intel often uses the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) as a platform to discuss its long-term vision for computing as well as more practical business initiatives. This year, the company has discussed the shrinking energy cost of computation as well as a point when it believes the energy required for 'meaningful computing' will approach zero and become ubiquitous by the year 2020. The idea that we could push the energy cost of computing down to nearly immeasurable levels is exciting. It's the type of innovation that's needed to drive products like Google Glass or VR headsets like the Oculus Rift. Unfortunately, Intel's slide neatly sidesteps the greatest problems facing such innovations — the cost of computing already accounts for less than half the total energy expenditure of a smartphone or other handheld device. Yes, meaningful compute might approach zero energy — but touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes."

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  1. SWEET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to overclock those chips so high that I need liquid cooling! Sounds like a fun project.

  2. Almost? by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Almost" ?? As in "I almost saw one camel today"?

    1. Re:Almost? by bongey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Schrödinger's camel ?

    2. Re:Almost? by robthebloke · · Score: 2

      I'm still waiting for that 10Ghz Pentium 4 they promised.....

    3. Re:Almost? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Also, isn't this the same Intel that fails to understand that ARM is going to be very important in the future? AFAIK they're the only ones that aren't licensing the technology.

      Intel purchased 'StrongARM' from DEC ages ago(back when DEC still had things you could purchase), took it through a few generations under that name and then as 'Xscale', and then sold it to Marvell 6ish years ago(with the possible exception of one flavor that they use on their RAID boards, I can't remember).

      They still have an ARM license, they just aren't terribly motivated to use it. x86 doesn't have too many friends; but it certainly has a lot of customers, and Intel has somewhat... limited... incentive to march into the business of being yet another SoC shover as long as they can get away with the margins on their x86s parts and supporting silicon.

    4. Re:Almost? by froggymana · · Score: 2

      But there are still plenty of common applications that would be better of using 65w of electricity...

      Such as heating water for coffee or cooking breakfast?

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  3. "meaningful" by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Psion Series 3a computed "meaningfully" on a couple of AA batteries for days.

    1. Re:"meaningful" by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. By the time we can do today's 'meaningful computation' for almost no energy, the definition will have changed to make it as 'meaningful' as what we used to run on a 6502.

    2. Re:"meaningful" by Earl_Parvisjam · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah? Well my Cassio calculator watch computed meaningfully for two years on the same battery, back in the 80's. Intel's just jealous.

    3. Re:"meaningful" by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

      Well my Tetris watch is still computing meaninglessly.

      No, I lie, I think I traded it in nineteen eighty-something. Can't remember for what, though. I hope it was good. I miss that watch.

  4. nice (an nitpick) by DMiax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes

    It may not be possible at all to lower the power consuption of certain devices below a certain absolute threshold. No matter how advanced, a WiFi device has got to consume at least the power needed to reach other devices. A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc... It is not simply a matter of technological advances.

    That said: amazing prospect. Hope it's not just bold claims no substance. It would really be fantastic.

    1. Re:nice (an nitpick) by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      I would guess its intel talking about cpu side of things, the rest they don't really have control of R&D wise cept wifi on laptops but intel has some some decent power saving on wifi side of things in their chipsets

    2. Re:nice (an nitpick) by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc... It is not simply a matter of technological advances." Our technologically won't be sufficiently advanced unless it's as energy efficient as nature. How much energy does a bioluminiscent fish consume? I often read about the brain being compared to a light bulb, and not just because of the Edison "invention" connection. Cellphones already consume less energy than a 5W lightbulb but are nowhere near as powerful as the MacDonald's-powered supercomputer inside our heads. Maybe the trick isn't getting as near to zero energy as physically possible but making our information devices sophisticated enough to recharge itself using whatever "free" energy source is available, be that the heat and radiation of the sun, the kinetic energy of a jogger, or the mere act of carrying the cellphone in your pocket while walking on the way to the office.

    3. Re:nice (an nitpick) by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      Radio losses are a bitch, only a tiny fraction of the original energy is left after a typical radio path.

      So if you try and power your device over radio you end up with a tiny fraction of the original energy, then losses in conversion and then a tiny fraction of what is left after those losses getting back to the base-station. I'ts just not practical except for very short distance links to very low power devices (think: rfid tags).

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    4. Re:nice (an nitpick) by kaiser423 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      RF Engineer here. Let's put this in perspective. Your typical cell phone will receive somewhere around -50dBmW maximum. That's typically 4-5 full bars of reception. My phone is sitting next to me right now running -88dBmW, and that's two bars.

      So, let's say that you're receiving that -50dBmW signal. -50dBm is -80dBW. Let's convert that straight to Watts now, so 10^(-80/10). That's 1e-8 Watts, or 80 nano-Watts. Good luck charging your phone with that.

      That's also why you see RF being used everywhere. The dynamic range is huuuuuuuuge! Your cell phone can transmit +30dBm or more, and you can reliably receiving -80dBm. So, you're able to transmit Watts pretty easily, and receive nano Watts pretty easily. Yea, path loss can be a lot, but you've got a lot of headroom to deal with. That's just in the palm of your hand. Add in big, megawatt amplifiers and huge dishes with large, sensitive electronics and it's no wonder that we can reach out billions of miles. Really mind-boggling stuff if oyu stop to think about it.

    5. Re:nice (an nitpick) by scheme · · Score: 2

      The brain really isn't remarkably energy efficient - sure it compares favorably to current tech, but its lead is shrinking rapidly. After all it's responsible for roughly 20% of your body's total energy consumption, which assuming a BMR of 1300 kCalories/day that's an average energy consumption of almost 13W. And I've heard that championship-level chess players can burn as many as 5000kCal/day during a tournament, which would suggest an additional 180W of average energy consumption, with peak consumption probably being at least 2-3 times that.

      That's wrong. Triathletes and cyclists doing long races can go through 5000kCal/day. Chess players don't come close. They're around 100-120kCal/hr at most.

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  5. Sidestepping? by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't say that Intel is sidestepping those problems because they're not THEIR problems to address.

  6. I'm more optimistic by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, meaningful compute might approach zero energy — but touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes.

    I think the author misunderstood what "ubiquitous" means. It means you can put serious computing power anywhere, including in places that don't have displays, cameras, etc. He's just thinking, "How far can they reduce the power use of my existing smartphone?" The real question is, "What completely new types of devices become practical when computing requires hardly any power at all?"

    Also, the situation is better than he suggests. Bright, super high resolution LED or LCD displays take a lot of power, but eInk displays use hardly any power at all. That's why battery life is measured in hours for an iPad and in weeks for a Kindle. LTE radios use a lot of power, but 3G is fine for most applications, and even 2G is more than sufficient in many cases (not for web browsing, but for a device that just needs to exchange limited data with the outside world).

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  7. Near zero energy cost == singularity by greg_barton · · Score: 2

    When people think of the limits of strong AI (if they do at all) they generally focus on how complex it must be to create.

    Complexity, however, is not the limiting factor. It is the fact that existing computers, compared to the brain, are energy hogs of epic proportions. The brain's energy use is on the order of millions of times more efficient than even the most power stingy CPU. Even of we knew how to accomplish strong AI we couldn't power the computer capable of supporting it.

    That is, however, unless Intel reaches it's goals.

  8. Glasses by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    Regarding energy requirements for a display and touchscreen, those are both greatly reduced with glasses (which, owing to their small size, are also the devices for which low power consumption is most important). Glasses are much closer to the eye, and ideally can direct the light directly to the eye. Modern displays are designed for maximum angle of visibility - they spew light over 180 degrees, on purpose, so they can be viewed from almost any angle. They are inefficient by design. So glasses can use much, much less power for display because they can be optimized in a number of ways.

    Obviously glasses cannot make use touchscreens either, but instead use voice input, accelerometers, etc, which are hardware that require very little power.

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  9. Re:Thermodynamics by gotfork · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aren't there some fundamental physical limits on how low your energy usage can be for a given amount of information based on thermodynamics? Is it just the case that they're way, way less than what we're using now?

    For any sort of data storage the energy barrier between the two states needs to be large enough that the system doesn't thermodynamically fluctuate between them very often. In practice, this means that the barrier needs to be several times larger than kb*T where kb is the boltzman constant. For computation there's not any hard and fast rule about the energy required, but there's lots of practical ones...

  10. I thought that it could be theoretically computed by mark-t · · Score: 2
    What the minimum amount of energy to perform a calculation was. I forget where I saw it, but I seem to remember it having to do with an equivalence of energy to information, which is to say that a certain (non-whole) number of bits could be represented per unit of energy. A minimum amount of energy it would require to reliably change a single bit can be reasonably be derived from this. Using a turing machine to model a calculation and counting the cycles that it takes to complete, you could then calculate the minimum amount of energy needed to perform that calculation.

    Although for trivial operations, the energy requirements are absurdly tiny fractions of a joule, I might suggest that for modern complex computing that we perform today, those minimum energy requirements aren't going to be anywhere as near to zero as they expect.

    The only way it will really "approach" zero, is if we start demanding less from computing devices. This may be happening in some areas already, but I wouldn't say it's a ubiquitous phenomenon.

  11. When you say "zero" by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't really mean zero. There is a fundamental minimum amount of energy it takes to do a calculation. When Intel says "almost zero energy computing" how far over this limit are they actually talking about? 101% of the Landauer limit? 200%? 1000%?

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  12. Jevons paradox says by doug141 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    this may cause an increase in energy used for computations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

    1. Re:Jevons paradox says by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      Exactly my thought:

      Look! Those glasses only use 0.1 Watt for computing, that's almost-zero-energy-we-re-gonna-save-the-world-with-our-super-green-glasses!
      Guess what? If those cool but kinda useless devices didn't exist yesterday, you didn't exactly save energy.

  13. Think orders of magnitude... by Esteanil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Smaller. Smaller. Smaller.

    Smart Dust, is what we're talking about - or at least the early iterations.

    Weather sensors that flutter in the breeze and scavenge enough energy to remain active and transmitting at most times - and the swarm *always* transmits.
    Flow control sensors that oil companies continually release into their pipelines to ensure that if there's a leak they'll know where it is in milliseconds - there's transmitting sensors outside the approved geometric area.
    Microscopic "Sniffers" released into the wind, measuring and reporting the amounts of cannabis, cocaine, explosives, dangerous chemicals...
    Sensors to detect fire. Sensors to find out if the gas tank in that burning building is leaking at all. Just point into an air current (strong fan or wind) and let them fly from your hands.
    *True* microsatellites, measured in single-digit centimetres or even smaller. (I think there's a minimum useful size for a satellite, but it's greatly related to how many of them there are, also... You could have a continual swarm reaching through the low-energy planetary transfer network keeping in contact with quite small satellites in a mesh radio network).

    Making Smart Dust *safe* might turn out to be more of a challenge, though... :-)

    But "really-really-low-power computing"... Alongside bio/nano-tech convergence it's the beginning of the real microbots:
    Invisible cameras, as a perfect 3D image of your head emerges from the small swarm of the tiniest insects you've seen hover around your head.
    Robots navigating through your bloodstream, tiny as hell - yet you've somehow ended up with the processing equivalent of your (2012) mobile phone coursing through your veins and working on any health problems you have (mostly by monitoring, at least at first).

    I'm sure you guys can come up with more stuff. Please reply if you've got any ideas :-)

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  14. Re:Heating homes via computers by symbolset · · Score: 2

    You should probably patent that.

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  15. Re:Thermodynamics by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    For any sort of data storage the energy barrier between the two states needs to be large enough that the system doesn't thermodynamically fluctuate between them very often. In practice, this means that the barrier needs to be several times larger than kb*T where kb is the boltzman constant. For computation there's not any hard and fast rule about the energy required, but there's lots of practical ones...

    Actually, there is a very similar limit for computation. In most of our computing, we destroy a lot of information, and thus entropy is created. For example, adding two 64-bit numbers to produce a third one -- you've just lost 64 bits of information. For each bit lost, you generate about kb*T of heat.

    The general idea to counter this problem is called reversible computing, but I'm not sure how it would work in practice, as you'd have to store a lot of useless information.

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