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A Glimpse At Piracy In the UK and Beyond

Zocalo writes "The BBC has a fascinating look into the music download habits of the UK population based on stats compiled by Musicmetric. The stats, gathered through the monitoring of BitTorrent swarms and geo-locating the IPs, shows the hotspots for music copyright infringement across the UK and regional preferences for certain types of music. Some of the outliers are somewhat unusual though, suggesting some problems with the methodology or sample size, unless people on the Isle of Wight really do prefer trumpet-playing crooner Louis Armstrong to the likes of Rihanna and Ed Sheeran who top the lists nationwide. Not in the UK? There are some global stats on the ' Most pirated near you? tab' of the story. Better yet, if you want to crunch the numbers for yourself all of the data has been made available at the Musicmatch website under the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial ShareAlike license and a RESTful API to access the data (free for non-commercial use, but requiring an API token) is also available."

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  1. The British have a long proud history of piracy by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now take Sir Francis Drake, the Spanish all despise him,
    But to the British he's a hero and they idolize him,
    It's how you look at buccaneers that makes them bad or good,
    And I see us as members of a noble brotherhood.

    Hey ho ho - We're honorable men,
    And before we lose our tempers we will always count to ten,
    On occasion there may be someone you have to execute,
    But when you're a professional pirate, you don't have to wear a suit!

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    1. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Which I just realised I spelled incorrectly.

    2. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Not the same. You have to pay mercenaries. Privateers get their profits from who they attack.

      Privateers were basically pirates that a Government officially allows to rob ships of another country.

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    3. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember reading one time:
      The difference between a terrorist, a guerrilla, and a freedom fighter is simply how much we like them

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  2. Link correction by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Informative

    That second link to Musicmetric (incorrectly labelled Musicmatch) for the download of the raw data should actually go here since it's a little hard to find the link on the Musicmetric website. So much for posting comments into the Firehose to help the editors edit, huh? ;)

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    1. Re:Link correction by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since most of the world thinks I am somewhere in the Midlands or North of England on the basis of my IP, but I am in London, I suspect that the geolocation returns the address of one of your (ISP's) data centres, making the data worthless.

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  3. Where's China and Russia? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For those too lazy to look. Here's the Top 20 "pirate" countries.

    1. United States
    2. United Kingdom
    3. Italy
    4. Canada
    5. Brazil
    6. Australia
    7. Spain
    8. India
    9. France
    10. Philippines
    11. Mexico
    12. Netherlands
    13. Portugal
    14. Poland
    15. Greece
    16. Hungary
    17. Chile
    18. Romania
    19. Sweden
    20. Belgium

    Interesting is the absence of China and Russia, countries not known for having authoritarian copy laws. Maybe the Chinese and Russians are happier exchanging thumb drives and DVDRs. I would be very worried, if I were Hu and Putin, of all that info that can't be censored or monitored with a few key strokes.

    While the presence of India at #8 isn't surprising, given its huge population, somewhat surprising is the presence of smaller Third World countries like Brazil and Philiippines that you don't expect to have the broadband speed necessary for a decent BT download.

    1. Re:Where's China and Russia? by rbprbp · · Score: 4, Informative

      given its huge population, somewhat surprising is the presence of smaller Third World countries like Brazil and Philiippines that you don't expect to have the broadband speed necessary for a decent BT download.

      I am Brazilian. Most people here - at least people living in larger cities - have 1 to 5 Mbps internet at home, which is than enough for occasional torrenting (i.e. not leeching/seeding 24/7). People with slower connections use 4shared/Rapidshare/etc... to download a low-quality copy of the movie they want to watch, or a 128k MP3 rip of the CD they want to listen to.

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    2. Re:Where's China and Russia? by slim · · Score: 2

      Interesting is the absence of China and Russia, countries not known for having authoritarian copy laws

      I don't know what the copyright laws are in China or Russia. But in a hypothetical country where filesharing is legal, there would be no illegal filesharing, by definition.

  4. cash by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you love music, download legally

    I'd like to ...

    Where's the store that I can go to with my 20 gbp cash and a usb stick and download/buy music/software/movies?

    It doesn't exist. That's the problem.

    1. Re:cash by EvilAlphonso · · Score: 2

      Right you have absolutely no options.

      because they don't sell iTunes cards for cash

      and banks won't take your cash and put it in a checking account you could draw from to pay your on-line bills

      Even tho they are based in my country for tax reasons, itunes and amazon refuse to provide this service to me. I could buy from a service in another country, but according to the rights holder representatives that crime is as heinous as pirating. The catalog of services that are available to me usually doesn't contain the music I enjoy, so in the end I stopped consuming. This is a loss they will somehow blame on piracy, even tho it has nothing to do with it.

      and you don't have a credit card.

      I indeed do not hold a credit card anymore, the vast majority of shops around here do not accept them.

    2. Re:cash by Yaruar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, it nearly did. I worked for a start-up years ago who were pioneering the music kiosk business, firstly allowing albums and mix albums to be burned on the fly, and there was a working solution for downloads of MP3s straight to devices or USB. The major labels and most of the indies were interested and signed on the dotted line. Millions of pounds were invested. Best Buy were trialing the cd burning, but even 8 years ago we knew the market needed the direct to device solution.

      The problem which killed it. Apple. They refused to allow any content to go onto their devices bypassing itunes and wouldn't even consider working with us. We had the product, we had about 80,000+ lossless albums converting merrily stored ready to rock, but apple killed the business model because like it or not iPods dominated the market.

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  5. Most piracy happens in person. by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only about 20% of copying happens over the net. The majority comes from swap parties between friends as they copy MP3s or AACs from one drive to another. (Yes there's a source for this. It was published here on /. but I can't find the article.)

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  6. If you can't get the message, get the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Memorable quotes for
    Looker (1981)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes

    "John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

    ##

    "The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
    - Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio

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    "It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

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    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

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    "The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
    - Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

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    George Carlin:

    "The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehous

  7. Re:Silly pirates? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no such thing. In fact, most anonymizing and/or VPN services flat out state in their TOS that they will respond accordingly to all legal requests for information.

    Anyway, it's kind of a waste of breath for us as a community of geeks to bother engaging people (like the journalist writing that article) in conversation when they don't even care enough to put the hyperbole aside and use rational words to discuss the topic. Starting off any discussion with the loaded word "piracy" or "pirate" in the title or opening paragraph is silly and unprofessional. It'd be like someone writing an article about a guy investigating government corruption by calling him an "anti-government terrorist" and asking him "why do you hate 'Merica?!"

    As for "copyright infringement", and "file sharing", there's little point in people getting their panties in a twist. Technology evolves and so do industries. We already have services like MOG and NETFLIX, which replace what a lot of questionable activities used to provide, for a combined total of a whopping $13 USD/mo. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the coming years, we should find more content available to more people in massive libraries like both of these services for *very affordable* subscriptions. When that finally happens, the idea of bothering with file sharing becomes silly unless you are really and truly destitute. For everyone else, it'd be absurd to waste precious time finding and downloading crap via these other methods when they could just pay $5 for an almost limitless library of music or $10 for an endless library of movies and television. The only possible exception will remain books, where there seems to be no equivalent and you'll be stuck paying the $30-$60 per book that we do, today.

  8. would like to see a hollywood accounting study by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    when the music industry steals from artists it would be good to see how bad it is and how much they are stealing from taxpayers. It could be used to warn Musicians from signing bad music deals.

    1. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most contracts aren't even readable. The artists don't realize that the contract often stipulates they don't get paid until they make a profit (which rarely happens).

      QUOTE: "The royalty rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start with and then companies charge back every conceivable cost to an artist's royalty account. Artists pay for recording costs, video production costs, tour support, radio promotion, sales and marketing costs, packaging costs and any other cost the record company can subtract from their royalties. Record companies also reduce royalties by "forgetting" to report sales figure, miscalculating royalties and by preventing artists from auditing record company books." http://www.gerryhemingway.com/piracy2.html

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    2. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Until the rise of the internet, it was the only way any artist could hope to achieve any fame or commercial success. The label provides the capital to record the record, the experts to make it happen, the promotional machine to get people to buy it, the money to mass-produce discs, and the contacts with retail to get those discs into stores. If your independant garage-band went to the Wal-Mart headquarters and asked if they would like to sell your music, it wouldn't matter how good you are: You'd be laughed out of the building.

      It's a little better now - with the internet, it's possible for an artist to achieve some level of fame without a label (see Jonathan Coulton) and even commercial success, but even for the most talented their dreams of one day being superstars playing to packed stadiums are impossible without the marketing machine and business management that only a label can provide.

    3. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by Captain+Hook · · Score: 2

      I would guess they are mostly owned by the record publishers, at least indirectly, not the artists themselves.

      How many artists do you know who get rich then stay rich?

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    4. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a ridiculously low number of them. For each megastar you have a hundred thousand small artists getting ripped off.

  9. Re:This Is A Pirated Country by deimtee · · Score: 2

    You are only No 1 on the totals. On a per capita basis AU is four times as piratey, and a clear winner over everyone.
    Good to see we are doing our bit to combat global warming, FSM be praised.

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  10. Re:Silly pirates? by godel_56 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is no such thing. In fact, most anonymizing and/or VPN services flat out state in their TOS that they will respond accordingly to all legal requests for information.

    Some VPNs claim there IS NO information if the authorities come calling

    http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/

  11. Re:Hmm by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's why Dublin is one of the top party destinations for the Brits is it? Its complete bollocks. Any sensible Brit has no problem with the Irish. Most of us are mongrels anyway and many have Irish blood.

  12. perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The overwhelming majority of musicians are unpaid amateurs and do it for fun.

    Of those who make a living at music, almost all derive most of their income from instrumental teaching.

    Of those who derive their income from playing, almost all are paid per performance (think session musicians, orchestral musicians etc), not on a royalty basis.

    This whole issue is about a tiny proportion of musicians (mostly modern rock & pop) who perform almost entirely for recorded distribution. The recording business talk of 'killing music' is hysterical horsesh*t.

    Human beings have been making music for over 30,000 years. Downloads are not going to stop them.

  13. Re:Silly pirates? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

    And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the coming years, we should find more content available to more people in massive libraries like both of these services for *very affordable* subscriptions.

    FTFY; You highlighted the wrong word. I have no interest in *renting* the media I pay for; I either own it, and can play it whenever, wherever I want, or their business model can DIAF. They are not taking my money and running when they decide the service isn't profitable enough.

    I can *buy* books, games, music for pennies, just not from big media, and that's what I do, and a bigger chunk of it goes to the author / artist per purchase. Fuck big media. Fuck it until it dies.

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  14. Re:Hmm by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

    When are you returning to the 17th century?

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  15. Re:Where's China and Russia? THEY ARE EVEN WORSE. by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Informative

    I spend a considerable amount of time and Russia and Ukraine on business. Let's put it this way: ALL THERE IS in Russia and Ukraine is piracy. Let me give you some examples.

    - you can go down to the corner shop and buy DVDs and CDs of your favorite movies, music, and/or games. They are all pirated, and professionally so.
    - companies that sell legitimate entertainment products last about a week in most places before they close for lack of sales.
    - even large electronics outlets sell pirated goods
    - use of torrent is extremely widespread
    - you'd be hard pressed to find anybody under 20 who has ever legitimately paid for music or games, ever. and i really mean that.
    - a major university in ukraine that i know of has on its campus intranet a 400+TB system exclusively for piracy. I mean, university set up, where people upload movies, music, games, software, etc. this is actually a university function that they figure saves them on outgoing bandwidth.
    - the first thing people do when they buy a new computer is to take it to a local 'repair shop' where for $5-$10 you get a full suite of every application you might want, nicely installed. This practice is extremely widespread.

    if you think "fine, because these are disadvantaged countries..'" well, you're only fooling yourself. while the per capita gdp of those countries is somehwat low, it is also highly unequal. the ones with the PCs, ipads, and university educations doing the pirating are highly likely to be quite well off indeed.

    the authoritarian laws are there. there is simply no will to enforce them.

  16. Re:Hmm by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    But even those of us who have had problems with Irish terrorism are able to separate the terrorists (and their supporters) with the rest of the population.

    That won't get much recognition here on slashdot, where the "most terrorists are Muslims, therefore most Muslims are terrorists" argument seems fairly well entrenched.

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  17. Re:Silly pirates? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Lots of greedy authors accused them of theft. While the era of insanely long copyright lasts, there will be no comprehensive library of works

    FTFY. Copyright would be no problem if it only lasted as long as a patent.