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A Glimpse At Piracy In the UK and Beyond

Zocalo writes "The BBC has a fascinating look into the music download habits of the UK population based on stats compiled by Musicmetric. The stats, gathered through the monitoring of BitTorrent swarms and geo-locating the IPs, shows the hotspots for music copyright infringement across the UK and regional preferences for certain types of music. Some of the outliers are somewhat unusual though, suggesting some problems with the methodology or sample size, unless people on the Isle of Wight really do prefer trumpet-playing crooner Louis Armstrong to the likes of Rihanna and Ed Sheeran who top the lists nationwide. Not in the UK? There are some global stats on the ' Most pirated near you? tab' of the story. Better yet, if you want to crunch the numbers for yourself all of the data has been made available at the Musicmatch website under the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial ShareAlike license and a RESTful API to access the data (free for non-commercial use, but requiring an API token) is also available."

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  1. The British have a long proud history of piracy by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now take Sir Francis Drake, the Spanish all despise him,
    But to the British he's a hero and they idolize him,
    It's how you look at buccaneers that makes them bad or good,
    And I see us as members of a noble brotherhood.

    Hey ho ho - We're honorable men,
    And before we lose our tempers we will always count to ten,
    On occasion there may be someone you have to execute,
    But when you're a professional pirate, you don't have to wear a suit!

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    1. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Or in more modern terms, a mercinary.

    2. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Which I just realised I spelled incorrectly.

    3. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Not the same. You have to pay mercenaries. Privateers get their profits from who they attack.

      Privateers were basically pirates that a Government officially allows to rob ships of another country.

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    4. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Privateers/Pirates were government sanctioned and were stealing the Spanish and Portuguese bounty looted from the native Americans

      Is government sponsored stealing of already stolen goods still stealing?

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    5. Re:The British have a long proud history of piracy by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember reading one time:
      The difference between a terrorist, a guerrilla, and a freedom fighter is simply how much we like them

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      "For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
  2. Link correction by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Informative

    That second link to Musicmetric (incorrectly labelled Musicmatch) for the download of the raw data should actually go here since it's a little hard to find the link on the Musicmetric website. So much for posting comments into the Firehose to help the editors edit, huh? ;)

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    1. Re:Link correction by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since most of the world thinks I am somewhere in the Midlands or North of England on the basis of my IP, but I am in London, I suspect that the geolocation returns the address of one of your (ISP's) data centres, making the data worthless.

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    2. Re:Link correction by Inda · · Score: 1

      That's true for me too.

      Sometimes "it" guesses I'm in the South West of England.

      Sometimes "it" uses one of the switches six hops away from me which is in Birmingham.

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    3. Re:Link correction by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      All it shows is where your ISP has declared where your current IP is based ...

      They only monitored public Torrents, they did not monitor any private torrents, they did not monitor any other file exchange protocols (Music is relatively small and can easily be exchanged without Bittorrent)

      Another worthless survey, that seems to show that China and Japan do not share much music (Really!)

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  3. Where's China and Russia? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For those too lazy to look. Here's the Top 20 "pirate" countries.

    1. United States
    2. United Kingdom
    3. Italy
    4. Canada
    5. Brazil
    6. Australia
    7. Spain
    8. India
    9. France
    10. Philippines
    11. Mexico
    12. Netherlands
    13. Portugal
    14. Poland
    15. Greece
    16. Hungary
    17. Chile
    18. Romania
    19. Sweden
    20. Belgium

    Interesting is the absence of China and Russia, countries not known for having authoritarian copy laws. Maybe the Chinese and Russians are happier exchanging thumb drives and DVDRs. I would be very worried, if I were Hu and Putin, of all that info that can't be censored or monitored with a few key strokes.

    While the presence of India at #8 isn't surprising, given its huge population, somewhat surprising is the presence of smaller Third World countries like Brazil and Philiippines that you don't expect to have the broadband speed necessary for a decent BT download.

    1. Re:Where's China and Russia? by rbprbp · · Score: 4, Informative

      given its huge population, somewhat surprising is the presence of smaller Third World countries like Brazil and Philiippines that you don't expect to have the broadband speed necessary for a decent BT download.

      I am Brazilian. Most people here - at least people living in larger cities - have 1 to 5 Mbps internet at home, which is than enough for occasional torrenting (i.e. not leeching/seeding 24/7). People with slower connections use 4shared/Rapidshare/etc... to download a low-quality copy of the movie they want to watch, or a 128k MP3 rip of the CD they want to listen to.

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    2. Re:Where's China and Russia? by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      You need more information for your comments or your list to be an indication of anything. Is it per capita or total offenses is? does this include every nation or just some with data?

      You talk about India being a likely candidate, yet Portugal is number 13 with a population of 10.5 million, yet Japan is not listed, is one of the most technologically driven countries on earth, and has more than ten times the people (123 million).This is notable because when you look, it is by total TORRENTS the last six months which makes Japan's absence surprising and notable.

      This makes your assumption correct but how should we know?

      (I guess RTFing article would help;-))

    3. Re:Where's China and Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In China, pirated music an movies are easier to find than the real thing. It's just done via disks and sellers on carts or in shops.

    4. Re:Where's China and Russia? by Xest · · Score: 1

      I think Brazil is bigger, and much of it's population living with much more modern internet connections than you think is the case.

      Keep in mind Brazil is hosting both the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics. That's not something some small "3rd World" nation can trivially afford to do.

      No, Brazil is the 7th biggest economy in the world putting it right behind the UK, some estimates nowadays even putting it as larger than the UK, but certainly making it bigger than Italy, Canada, India, Russia.

      Yes, that's right. Brazil has a bigger population and more wealth than even old super powers like the USSR and even the supposed up and coming nations like India. Whilst like the US, Brazil has areas that can be called 3rd world, it seems a bit wrong to call Brazil as a whole either small, or 3rd world, unless you also think countries like Russia are 3rd world too.

      I don't think it's suprising to see Brazil there at all, it's a large top 10 major world economy.

    5. Re:Where's China and Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh, Brazil's one of the largest countries in the world and its economy (despite poverty and inequality) is in the top 10, and growing...

    6. Re:Where's China and Russia? by slim · · Score: 2

      Interesting is the absence of China and Russia, countries not known for having authoritarian copy laws

      I don't know what the copyright laws are in China or Russia. But in a hypothetical country where filesharing is legal, there would be no illegal filesharing, by definition.

    7. Re:Where's China and Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok, their metrics are somewhat broken. I had never heard of Billy Van before seeing the metric listing him as the most downloaded artist in India.
      Made me think who-tf is he?
      So some Google-fu lists this: http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/08/how-billy-van-went-from-2000-to-100000-fans-case-study.html
      They released a *legit* BitTorrent Bundle. In their own words, "We encouraged the sharing of free music."

      So calling every download on BitTorrent illegal is kinda broken. This article wouldn't stand the rigorous validation of the results (It didn't even survive my lousy Google-fu!)

    8. Re:Where's China and Russia? by Xest · · Score: 1

      Meh, apologies, I meant to say Russia, not USSR - i.e. population of Russia is 141million vs. 196million for Brazil. I typed USSR because I was referring to it as a superpower, rather than what is now simply just Russia - a mistake I suspect you made yourself in your last sentence.

    9. Re:Where's China and Russia? by wolverine2k · · Score: 1

      Quite true. I would also assume some of the public torrent traffic would be from legal torrents like Linux distribution downloads or game patches via torrents. And good find...

    10. Re:Where's China and Russia? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No Japan either, probably because they tend not to use the same trackers as western countries and so were not monitored. They also use other P2P apps that are almost unused in the west such as Share and Perfect Dark, which again where not part of the study.

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    11. Re:Where's China and Russia? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I would also assume some of the public torrent traffic would be from legal torrents like Linux distribution downloads

      I know it's probably impossible, but it would be nice to see at least an attempt at quantifying statements like this. I mean, is "some" 10% or 0.0065%?

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    12. Re:Where's China and Russia? by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      double wat

    13. Re:Where's China and Russia? by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      somewhat surprising is the presence of smaller Third World countries like Brazil

      Since Brazil is the fifth largest country in the world both by geographical area and population, most of the other countries in the list are the smaller ones...

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    14. Re:Where's China and Russia? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

      "No Japan either, probably because they tend not to use the same trackers as western countries and so were not monitored. They also use other P2P apps that are almost unused in the west such as Share and Perfect Dark, which again where not part of the study."

      Missed that big fish. Yes it's probably down to the weird solutions that Japan has developed for certain technnical problems: love hotels, automatic taxi doors, toilet paper-free toilets, etc. I suspect it's also partly due to the "honor" system where if you want something you pay for it or at least be clever enough not to get caught.

    15. Re:Where's China and Russia? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Actually, being third world only promotes piracy, because of the huge price difference.
      In Argentina, salaries start at about 300USD per month (and there's probably people making way less too). Middle class (ie: a software developer) might start at 1k USD per month.

      The Star Wars Trilogy costs 150 USD here (say this a few days ago). A Blu Ray reader costs around 300 USD, and each movie between 30USD and 50USD usually.
      ~10% of one's salary is way too much for a single movie. Broadband costs me less than a one or two movie would, and gives mes dozens per month. I'd also have to make the investment in a blu-ray drive, which is not cheap at all.

      As an additional fact, about 10 years ago, it was imposible to find original DVD movies in most cities (except maybe two or three major cities). The same applied to VHS, of course. Therefore, people just purchased pirated DVDs, and many people still do that, mainly, because it's the only then they know and it's what they've always done, and they most likely never though about it twice.

    16. Re:Where's China and Russia? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    17. Re:Where's China and Russia? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      The same was true in Argentina about two years ago, but Rapidshare/4shared/etc has slowly died in favour of streaming sites like Cuevana. Most people either stream movies, and the rest torrent them.

  4. Silly pirates? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    Why would people who pirate things not use an anonymizing proxy? Is there something about the bidirectional aspect of bittorrent protocol that stops this working?

    I tried one for web browsing when they were discussing the establishment of the great firewall of Australia (which failed to eventuate), and while it did slow things down, it seemed to work fine. Websites that guessed at my location would be completely wrong.

    1. Re:Silly pirates? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no such thing. In fact, most anonymizing and/or VPN services flat out state in their TOS that they will respond accordingly to all legal requests for information.

      Anyway, it's kind of a waste of breath for us as a community of geeks to bother engaging people (like the journalist writing that article) in conversation when they don't even care enough to put the hyperbole aside and use rational words to discuss the topic. Starting off any discussion with the loaded word "piracy" or "pirate" in the title or opening paragraph is silly and unprofessional. It'd be like someone writing an article about a guy investigating government corruption by calling him an "anti-government terrorist" and asking him "why do you hate 'Merica?!"

      As for "copyright infringement", and "file sharing", there's little point in people getting their panties in a twist. Technology evolves and so do industries. We already have services like MOG and NETFLIX, which replace what a lot of questionable activities used to provide, for a combined total of a whopping $13 USD/mo. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the coming years, we should find more content available to more people in massive libraries like both of these services for *very affordable* subscriptions. When that finally happens, the idea of bothering with file sharing becomes silly unless you are really and truly destitute. For everyone else, it'd be absurd to waste precious time finding and downloading crap via these other methods when they could just pay $5 for an almost limitless library of music or $10 for an endless library of movies and television. The only possible exception will remain books, where there seems to be no equivalent and you'll be stuck paying the $30-$60 per book that we do, today.

    2. Re:Silly pirates? by godel_56 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no such thing. In fact, most anonymizing and/or VPN services flat out state in their TOS that they will respond accordingly to all legal requests for information.

      Some VPNs claim there IS NO information if the authorities come calling

      http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/

    3. Re:Silly pirates? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The decent ones cost money, they impact performance, and they take more knowledge to set up than just using a torrent client.

    4. Re:Silly pirates? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the coming years, we should find more content available to more people in massive libraries like both of these services for *very affordable* subscriptions.

      FTFY; You highlighted the wrong word. I have no interest in *renting* the media I pay for; I either own it, and can play it whenever, wherever I want, or their business model can DIAF. They are not taking my money and running when they decide the service isn't profitable enough.

      I can *buy* books, games, music for pennies, just not from big media, and that's what I do, and a bigger chunk of it goes to the author / artist per purchase. Fuck big media. Fuck it until it dies.

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    5. Re:Silly pirates? by pantaril · · Score: 1

      As for "copyright infringement", and "file sharing", there's little point in people getting their panties in a twist. Technology evolves and so do industries. We already have services like MOG and NETFLIX, which replace what a lot of questionable activities used to provide, for a combined total of a whopping $13 USD/mo. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the coming years, we should find more content available to more people in massive libraries like both of these services for *very affordable* subscriptions.

      I wish i could share your optimism, but i think that your prediction won't come true while current copyright law is in effect. You mention netflix, they are operating since 1999, still they are only available in america and their catalog contains only fraction of available material (they contain cca 100k titles according to wikipedia. There is cca 2280k movies listed just on IMDB, there are many more titles not listed there). Why should i think that this situation will change in near future?

      The problem is, copyright doesn't allow you to include some work in your library without the consent of the author. Many authors won't grant you such consent because you never ask them (there are too many of them), they are dead, unknown, they don't care or some other reason. When this happens, your only option is piracy.

      Just see what happened when google tried to create comprehensive library of e-book materials. Lot's of greedy authors accused them of theft. While the era of copyright lasts, there will be no comprehensive library of works, because authors will never give blanket approval for everyone to include their creation in their library. In order to profit with copyright, authors need to maintain tight control over the distribution of their work. They don't care that majority of intelectual property is not legaly available to most people as consequence.

    6. Re:Silly pirates? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Lots of greedy authors accused them of theft. While the era of insanely long copyright lasts, there will be no comprehensive library of works

      FTFY. Copyright would be no problem if it only lasted as long as a patent.

    7. Re:Silly pirates? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you are going to defend copyright infringement/piracy, it is much more convincing if you don't then say "but as soon as I have a nice cosy subscription model to use, I will start to pay it and condemn copyright infringement/piracy".

      People who have a philosophical objection to the whole idea of copyright have a tenable position: those who merely find it easier not to pay, not really.

      I personally don't believe that, living in a capitalist society as we do, you should expect all musicians, artists, film-makers or whoever to work as amateurs and give their work away for free with occasional extra income from selling merchandise (or whatever). And I think that most people who don't pay for their entertainment would be puzzled if they were asked to do their work job for nothing. But that is all an argument for some form of anarcho-communism which is irrelevant to what is actually happening now.

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    8. Re:Silly pirates? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      still they are only available in america

      Then how do I pay for my Netflix subscription in British pounds and watch Netflix using a British IP address without a US VPN?

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  5. cash by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you love music, download legally

    I'd like to ...

    Where's the store that I can go to with my 20 gbp cash and a usb stick and download/buy music/software/movies?

    It doesn't exist. That's the problem.

    1. Re:cash by EvilAlphonso · · Score: 2

      Right you have absolutely no options.

      because they don't sell iTunes cards for cash

      and banks won't take your cash and put it in a checking account you could draw from to pay your on-line bills

      Even tho they are based in my country for tax reasons, itunes and amazon refuse to provide this service to me. I could buy from a service in another country, but according to the rights holder representatives that crime is as heinous as pirating. The catalog of services that are available to me usually doesn't contain the music I enjoy, so in the end I stopped consuming. This is a loss they will somehow blame on piracy, even tho it has nothing to do with it.

      and you don't have a credit card.

      I indeed do not hold a credit card anymore, the vast majority of shops around here do not accept them.

    2. Re:cash by jacobbrett · · Score: 1

      For music, there's the amazon mp3 store. You get DRM-free mp3s that you can copy to a USB stick if you want. I've been using them for years and am quite happy, and they carry a lot of indie music, not just the big-name MPAA based stuff, so there's a lot to pick from.

      For movies, I dunno.

      Not everything is DRM-free; many recordings contain personally-identifiable metadata:

      Record Company Required Metadata: Music file contains unique purchase identifier.

      (example)

    3. Re:cash by Yaruar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, it nearly did. I worked for a start-up years ago who were pioneering the music kiosk business, firstly allowing albums and mix albums to be burned on the fly, and there was a working solution for downloads of MP3s straight to devices or USB. The major labels and most of the indies were interested and signed on the dotted line. Millions of pounds were invested. Best Buy were trialing the cd burning, but even 8 years ago we knew the market needed the direct to device solution.

      The problem which killed it. Apple. They refused to allow any content to go onto their devices bypassing itunes and wouldn't even consider working with us. We had the product, we had about 80,000+ lossless albums converting merrily stored ready to rock, but apple killed the business model because like it or not iPods dominated the market.

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  6. Most piracy happens in person. by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only about 20% of copying happens over the net. The majority comes from swap parties between friends as they copy MP3s or AACs from one drive to another. (Yes there's a source for this. It was published here on /. but I can't find the article.)

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  7. Special 301 Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So maybe America should be on its own Special 301 Report list of countries that are "watched" for piracy? Kinda ironic and super funny.

  8. If you can't get the message, get the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Memorable quotes for
    Looker (1981)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes

    "John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

    ##

    "The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
    - Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio

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    "It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

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    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

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    "The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
    - Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

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    George Carlin:

    "The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehous

  9. This Is A Pirated Country by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    The USA is a pirated country from the native Americans. It would only be appropriate that we would be number 1 on the list. I believe we pirated German scientists in order to build our nuclear arsenal so as we could pirate more bounty! I sense a theme here!

    1. Re:This Is A Pirated Country by deimtee · · Score: 2

      You are only No 1 on the totals. On a per capita basis AU is four times as piratey, and a clear winner over everyone.
      Good to see we are doing our bit to combat global warming, FSM be praised.

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  10. Nawvuhn Soul by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    My man.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  11. 'Satchmo' in the Isle of Wight by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    I used to live in the Isle of Wight, you inconsiderate clod!

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    1. Re:'Satchmo' in the Isle of Wight by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      interestingly, that island has a long history of piracy.

    2. Re:'Satchmo' in the Isle of Wight by SpankyDaMonkey · · Score: 1

      If you get a chance the Smuggling Museum in Ventnor is worth a look - ingenious gadgets they used to get their wares past the customs men

  12. would like to see a hollywood accounting study by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    when the music industry steals from artists it would be good to see how bad it is and how much they are stealing from taxpayers. It could be used to warn Musicians from signing bad music deals.

    1. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Who held a gun to these artists' heads and made them sign contracts? Or did they do it because at the time they believed that the deal was acceptable?

    2. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most contracts aren't even readable. The artists don't realize that the contract often stipulates they don't get paid until they make a profit (which rarely happens).

      QUOTE: "The royalty rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start with and then companies charge back every conceivable cost to an artist's royalty account. Artists pay for recording costs, video production costs, tour support, radio promotion, sales and marketing costs, packaging costs and any other cost the record company can subtract from their royalties. Record companies also reduce royalties by "forgetting" to report sales figure, miscalculating royalties and by preventing artists from auditing record company books." http://www.gerryhemingway.com/piracy2.html

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    3. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Hey, what's it like to work for a label? How old is the youngest pirate you've prosecuted? 10... 8? How many of your customers have you prosecuted?

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    4. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Until the rise of the internet, it was the only way any artist could hope to achieve any fame or commercial success. The label provides the capital to record the record, the experts to make it happen, the promotional machine to get people to buy it, the money to mass-produce discs, and the contacts with retail to get those discs into stores. If your independant garage-band went to the Wal-Mart headquarters and asked if they would like to sell your music, it wouldn't matter how good you are: You'd be laughed out of the building.

      It's a little better now - with the internet, it's possible for an artist to achieve some level of fame without a label (see Jonathan Coulton) and even commercial success, but even for the most talented their dreams of one day being superstars playing to packed stadiums are impossible without the marketing machine and business management that only a label can provide.

    5. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by Captain+Hook · · Score: 2

      I would guess they are mostly owned by the record publishers, at least indirectly, not the artists themselves.

      How many artists do you know who get rich then stay rich?

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      These comments are my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the other voices in my head.
    6. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a ridiculously low number of them. For each megastar you have a hundred thousand small artists getting ripped off.

    7. Re:would like to see a hollywood accounting study by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Until the rise of the internet, it was the only way any artist could hope to achieve any fame or commercial success. The label provides the capital to record the record, the experts to make it happen, the promotional machine to get people to buy it, the money to mass-produce discs, and the contacts with retail to get those discs into stores. If your independant garage-band went to the Wal-Mart headquarters and asked if they would like to sell your music, it wouldn't matter how good you are: You'd be laughed out of the building. It's a little better now - with the internet, it's possible for an artist to achieve some level of fame without a label (see Jonathan Coulton) and even commercial success, but even for the most talented their dreams of one day being superstars playing to packed stadiums are impossible without the marketing machine and business management that only a label can provide.

      It sounds like you're saying that the artists are getting something of value in exchange for signing those contracts. Or am I reading you wrong?

      Anyway, regardless of the (alleged) evil in those contracts, you are not helping the artists by making unauthorized copies of their works. They do get paid something (although not much) out of what paying customers shell out. If they aren't happy with it, your copying their works without paying anybody doesn't help them at all. It doesn't tilt the scales in their favor. If you want to help independent artists, pay THEM for their work. But don't pretend you're being anything other than selfish when you use their work and don't pay anybody.

  13. Streamtuner by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    I would have thought that streamtuner and the like would have killed music piracy by now. I suppose most people simply do not know how convenient internet radio stations are. I haven't pirated or purchased music in years. Their is no need to do so, with hundreds of internet stations listed.

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  14. Re:I was invited to a swap party once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    She was afraid you'd be upset that the people there already know her because she's been going for years.

  15. Re:Hmm by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's why Dublin is one of the top party destinations for the Brits is it? Its complete bollocks. Any sensible Brit has no problem with the Irish. Most of us are mongrels anyway and many have Irish blood.

  16. perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The overwhelming majority of musicians are unpaid amateurs and do it for fun.

    Of those who make a living at music, almost all derive most of their income from instrumental teaching.

    Of those who derive their income from playing, almost all are paid per performance (think session musicians, orchestral musicians etc), not on a royalty basis.

    This whole issue is about a tiny proportion of musicians (mostly modern rock & pop) who perform almost entirely for recorded distribution. The recording business talk of 'killing music' is hysterical horsesh*t.

    Human beings have been making music for over 30,000 years. Downloads are not going to stop them.

  17. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where do you find sensible Brits?

    Not her ein England that's for sure ...

  18. Re:Hmm by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

    When are you returning to the 17th century?

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  19. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But even those of us who have had problems with Irish terrorism are able to separate the terrorists (and their supporters) with the rest of the population.

  20. Re:Hmm by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    There used to be intelligent life in Britain, but I moved to Australia 25 years ago. ;-)

  21. Re:Hmm by techsimian · · Score: 1

    It's been my experience that everyone hates the English and no one really cares who they hate.

    By everyone, I mean, Wales, Ireland & Scotland.

  22. Re:Where's China and Russia? THEY ARE EVEN WORSE. by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Informative

    I spend a considerable amount of time and Russia and Ukraine on business. Let's put it this way: ALL THERE IS in Russia and Ukraine is piracy. Let me give you some examples.

    - you can go down to the corner shop and buy DVDs and CDs of your favorite movies, music, and/or games. They are all pirated, and professionally so.
    - companies that sell legitimate entertainment products last about a week in most places before they close for lack of sales.
    - even large electronics outlets sell pirated goods
    - use of torrent is extremely widespread
    - you'd be hard pressed to find anybody under 20 who has ever legitimately paid for music or games, ever. and i really mean that.
    - a major university in ukraine that i know of has on its campus intranet a 400+TB system exclusively for piracy. I mean, university set up, where people upload movies, music, games, software, etc. this is actually a university function that they figure saves them on outgoing bandwidth.
    - the first thing people do when they buy a new computer is to take it to a local 'repair shop' where for $5-$10 you get a full suite of every application you might want, nicely installed. This practice is extremely widespread.

    if you think "fine, because these are disadvantaged countries..'" well, you're only fooling yourself. while the per capita gdp of those countries is somehwat low, it is also highly unequal. the ones with the PCs, ipads, and university educations doing the pirating are highly likely to be quite well off indeed.

    the authoritarian laws are there. there is simply no will to enforce them.

  23. old timer by joe545 · · Score: 1

    The most startling fact I found out when reading this article is that I am now, at 29 years old, past it. I had heard of hardly any of the "top" artists in these lists never mind pirate their music.

  24. Canada loves Kanye West? by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

    Darth Vader: Noooooooooooooooooo!

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    1. Re:Canada loves Kanye West? by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      I guess it's how you look at the statistic. Does Canada pirate the music they love the most, or do they pirate the music that's not worth paying for? If it's the former, we can all laugh at Canada's taste in music. If it's the latter, the rest of the world has something to learn from their habits. Unfortunately, I'm assuming the former.

  25. Survey Methodology is flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem with this survey is the fact that most UK users access via a small number of ISPs, and the IP addresses being reported are highlighting this fact. I live in Edinburgh, scotland, but a geolocate on my home ISP puts me in Oldham, just outside Manchester.

    The survey is not showing pirate hotspots, it is showing ISP locations

  26. Re:Hmm by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    There used to be intelligent life in Britain, but I moved to Australia 25 years ago. ;-)

    Mate, I thought they stopped transportation longer ago than that. Tough on you.

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  27. Re:Hmm by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    But even those of us who have had problems with Irish terrorism are able to separate the terrorists (and their supporters) with the rest of the population.

    That won't get much recognition here on slashdot, where the "most terrorists are Muslims, therefore most Muslims are terrorists" argument seems fairly well entrenched.

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  28. Re:Who ARE these people? by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

    Ed Sheeran is remarkably popular. However when they claimed 1:10 of the entire UK population BT'd his music, he's not that popular. No one is.

    Makes it hard to take any of the claims seriously, simple arithmetic says they're lying.

  29. Where's Europe's largest country? by Kohlrabi82 · · Score: 1

    Where's Germany? Did they not collect any data for it?

  30. Re:Who ARE these people? by UriGagarin · · Score: 1

    I did this and it came up with those for the UK , not my location - which was The Cars? Really ? A town that has a University?

  31. Re:Who's the freeloader? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    From the record company, the artist gets something, although maybe you and I agree that it could be a lot more. From you, they get nothing in exchange for something.

    Don't pretend that's a virtuous act on your part.

  32. Re:Where's China and Russia? THEY ARE EVEN WORSE. by Dreen · · Score: 1

    - a major university in ukraine that i know of has on its campus intranet a 400+TB system exclusively for piracy. I mean, university set up, where people upload movies, music, games, software, etc. this is actually a university function that they figure saves them on outgoing bandwidth.

    Ooh I remember the times of FTP hubs on all uni networks in Poland. All administered by students on the uni WAN. They only forbid it like 5 years ago. Those were the days...