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NTT and Partners Show 1 Petabit/Sec Transfer Over 50km of Fiber

symbolset writes "NTT and some partners, in a late paper to the ECOC 2012, show a successful transmission of 1 petabit per second data transfer over a 12-core optical fiber 52.4 km long." How long that transfer speed would take to transfer one Library of Congress's worth of data all depends on who you ask.

59 comments

  1. Wow. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a lot of porn.

    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, but petabits/s measures data transfer rate, not volume.

    2. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of porn.

      It sure is! I can't wait for that kind of bandwidth coming to the US!

      And I can tell you, this announcement has made me a petaphile!

    3. Re:Wow. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. You'd be done "streaming" in under a minute whether you have 10 Megabits/sec or 1 Petabit/sec.

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    4. Re:Wow. by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 1

      You could use up your monthly bit-cap in about five seconds... USA! USA! USA!

    5. Re:Wow. by fa2k · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that will really get your ECOC going

    6. Re:Wow. by gshegosh · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of porn.

      Score: 3, Insightful
      Welcome to Slashdot ;-)

    7. Re:Wow. by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could use up your monthly bit-cap in about five seconds... USA! USA! USA!

      I dunno, I'd be pretty happy with a 655360 gigabyte bit-cap if it'd take 5 whole seconds to chew it up at this speed.

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    8. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quality over quantity, my friend.
      Looks like you're still new to the world of porn.

    9. Re:Wow. by moniker127 · · Score: 2

      1990s : "I don't really want a 56k modem, my 9600 transfers my email just fine."
      2000s : "I don't really want a cable modem, my 56k does text and images just fine."
      2012 : "I don't really want uberfast fiber, my shows stream just fine. "

      Come on! Get on board already! Get on that goddamn truck!

    10. Re:Wow. by davester666 · · Score: 2

      OMG. You would need a script to generate all the zero's needed for the amount of damages the music companies would sue for if you used that just for downloading music.

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    11. Re:Wow. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      WOOOSH!!!

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    12. Re:Wow. by someones · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

      who needs hd-3d porn, if its just a boring blow job over 60 mins...

    13. Re:Wow. by moniker127 · · Score: 1

      Oh, right, dirty jokes. Does that really count as OVER my head?

    14. Re:Wow. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It was over your head because you didn't figure out what I was saying. I am basically saying something very similar to you. If someone hears about Petabit/second access and all they have to say is "that's a lot of porn" they completely lack imagination and an ability to think of the possibilities.

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    15. Re:Wow. by moniker127 · · Score: 1

      Well now I think it was POSSIBLY a joke (though I guess it is an insightful joke, go figure).

  2. NSA data gathering capability by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read TFA, click on one of the links, and ...

    http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-05/every-six-hours-nsa-gathers-much-data-stored-entire-library-congress

    Every day NSA gathers 4 times the amount of data of the entire library of congress

    I do not question the availability of the disk space for all those data - after all, NSA has an unlimited budget on purchasing hard disks.

    But ...

    How are they going to crunch all those data?

    How big the machine they have to crunch at least 40 petabytes of data every-single day?

    And we are not talking about simple crunching - they need to sieve through all those data to find things that are worth to keep - and then, many of those things that are worth to keep may themselves be encrypted (terrorists ain't stupid these days) - and it takes a helluva juice to decrypt all those encrypted data.

    It's truly mind boggling !!

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    1. Re:NSA data gathering capability by neokushan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just look at commercial institutions that do the same thing. Google, for example.

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    2. Re:NSA data gathering capability by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is I remember back when I worked at a university, our Remote Sensing and Optics department was gathering something like 40 megabytes of data every single day and it seemed like a ridiculous amount of data. A group was working on a project to build a 4 terabyte storage system.

      Today, I have a 26tb array to hold my media.

    3. Re:NSA data gathering capability by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      26tb for personal space is still pretty ridiculous by todays standards. I'm willing to bet the average personal space people have is no higher than 4tb.

    4. Re:NSA data gathering capability by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      With every blu-ray holding as much as 50 gigs of data, you'd be surprised how much data average people have stored in their homes. I just happen to have mine consolidated.

      Besides, why would I want to be average?

    5. Re:NSA data gathering capability by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The NSA always got around this logical issue with a few simple tricks.
      Collect everything.
      Sort for words of interest.
      Sort for people you know.
      Sort for people you want to know who are linked to people you know
      After you have done that, the amount of info encrypted back to the USA is not really not massive anymore.
      The new trick is front companies, buying in bulk from everything and everyone in the private sector.

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    6. Re:NSA data gathering capability by subreality · · Score: 1

      The data doesn't all have to be processed to be useful. Collecting it enables them to dig in deeper when they find Someone Unusual - probably automated at first, and then with human review if you're Really Interesting.

      The rest of the data just sits in storage because they're not sure which bits will become interesting at the time of collection.

    7. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only need to keep enough data to implicate anyone in anything.

    8. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I do not question the availability of the disk space for all those data - after all, NSA has an unlimited budget on purchasing hard disks.

      It says "gather", not "store".

      But ...How are they going to crunch all those data?

      It's not all gathered in one place. If each wiretap box has its own CPU then the compute load will be very widely spread.

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    9. Re:NSA data gathering capability by houghi · · Score: 1

      They worry about that later. The most important part is that they have the data.

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    10. Re:NSA data gathering capability by CrashandDie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some would argue that not wanting to be "average" is being average.

    11. Re:NSA data gathering capability by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "How are they going to crunch all those data?"

      They don't need to crunch everything they only need to monitor most likely sources of communication. Think IM, email, etc. With deep packet inspection, etc. They only have to catch stuff from apps people are using. Otherwise they are making their lives more difficult trying to chew through irrelevant data.

    12. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average person may not want to be average, but he's actually not average.

    13. Re:NSA data gathering capability by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      From the numbers I can guess, there have been about $10,000,000,000 of BluRay sold in the US. That's about $33 per person or about $90 per house. How many BluRay's does one get for $90? About 3? The "average" person should have about 150 GB in BluRay. The "average" house should have more than that in DVDs and CDs, though I'll not do the math on that one.

      You are far from average, and presuming yourself to be in any way representative of "average" is silly.

    14. Re:NSA data gathering capability by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The problem in a practical sense is that they find the words and people of interest to look for only after an incident, and rarely before.

    15. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your effective storage, what's your raw storage, what RAID are you using, and which FS are you using?

    16. Re:NSA data gathering capability by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      26tb effective using 14 2tb drives, unRAID, and the FS of a convicted murderer.

    17. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have any meaningful redundancy of 26TB of logical storage with only 28TB of physical storage. I hope none of your drives die.

    18. Re:NSA data gathering capability by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      why do you think it's secret? so that the waste isn't evident.

      the data mining doesn't have to be effective - it'll still pay the bills. the bigger the expenses the bigger the money flowing to the guys deciding those expenses.

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    19. Re:NSA data gathering capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that

  3. LoC per second is just bandwidth by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be a true measure, you need latency as well. After all, you can't really play a decent MMORG if the latency is through the roof.

    As two dimensional values confuse people, I suggest dividing the bandwidth by the delays in getting it, giving you Libraries of Congress per second per fillibuster.

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    1. Re:LoC per second is just bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most latency is a function of the communication medium which is relatively fixed for fiber. Keep yourself close to a server and your latency will be good. More bandwidth is "more better"...

  4. or: Technology Continues To Improve by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    x shows a successful transmission of y bits per second over a z-core optical fiber w km long.

    Is that good? Is that much faster than before, or only a bit?

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    1. Re:or: Technology Continues To Improve by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 1

      Not a bit, a petabit.

  5. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's some really fast porn.

  6. Too much for anything I'd do. by Infestedkudzu · · Score: 1

    The future is now. Soon every American home will integrate their television, phone, and computer. You'll be able to visit the Louvre on one channel, and watch female mud wrestling on another. You can do your shopping at home, or play Mortal Kombat with a friend in Vietnam. There's no end to the possibilities.

    1. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Soon every American home will integrate their television, phone, and computer

      get back to me when I am able to get broadband internet. by the legal definition of broadband in the USA, it is actually not available to me at all in my current location.

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    2. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Why "every American home"?
      US-centrism much?

    3. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by emilper · · Score: 1

      "the legal definition of broadband in the USA"

      what is the legal definition of broadband ? not being snarky, really don't know ... all I could find that seemed relevant was "broadband is faster than dial-up"

    4. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      4 Mbps down, 1Mbps up is the FCC's definition of broadband. Now you know.

      My ISP doesn't even offer it :(

      We all know what broadband really means, but the FCC gets that people just think it means high speed internet, so they co-opted it. Lame, and yet not lame, and yet still lame.

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    5. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      Let me be the first to welcome you to Slashdot, an American technology site.

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    6. Re:Too much for anything I'd do. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      That a website reporting news is based in America does not mean that the repercussions of said news would be limited to the USA, or even that the events depicted happened or will develop in the US.

      Only in Japan for example did a mad scientist manage to make a time machine out of a phone and a microwave.

  7. Car analogy by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    I think Slashdot has to get it right. We use LOC (Library of Congress) as the analogy for this story because it deals with transfer speed. For anything else, we use a car analogy and it always isn't the same car.

    I propose a change. We need to standardize. Therefore, we should use the number of mini-vans (each filled with books) that can be parked in the LOC. I only suggest we use a mini-van since it has more storage space. This is challenging in itself to standardize since mini-vans must be parked so we will lose out on floor-to-ceiling space vs traditional bookcase technologies currently used.

    1. Re:Car analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also this ambiguity if the vans have to be parked in accordance with the rules of the road, or if it's ok to go Mahoney on them and stack them.

  8. Great! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    Now my boss is going to want me to implement it commercially.

  9. Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course data is such a precious and finite resource. Sure, we can use it so much faster, who cares if we'll run out? Oh wait... wrong metric. Okay, so we all know that data caps are BS, and that ISPs whinge about overusage, hence the caps. When they bring things like Gigabit Ethernet and now this, rendering the 'oh, we don't have the bandwidth so we have to limit it' argument invalid (especially with the known presence of dark fiber buildouts) why hasn't some agency or coalition come together to force data providers to stop treating data as a need-to-meter-amount resource like water or natural gas and start treating it like the need-to-regulate-speed resource like highways? It makes much more sense to limit someone based on how fast they can download data, not how much they can fill an imaginary bucket. If they're so worried about bandwidth, they need to start offering more realistic packages for light, medium and heavy users or something. Say about 1.5MB for light or email only users, 5MB or so for medium users and gamers, and 15MB for high users, and the just go up from there for ultra heavy users or biz class users who need those kinds of packages. I guarantee there will be people who will be perfectly happy paying $100 a month for 25MB throttle if they can use it as much as they want guaranteed, especially if they can drop down to a $30 5MB tier with the same unlimited usage. One person can get along fine with 5MB for watching HD Netflix and Youtube, and most users are just single users. Plus, if they really want, it's trivial to even offer you a bandwidth speed customized to what you need if they reallly wanted to. As long as they stopped treating it like we were going to have to mine for the last bits of useable data out of some hole in Zimbabwe for $10,000 a kilobyte or something.

    1. Re:Because... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Why don't ISPs start charging us like their upstream providers charge them?.. 90th percentile and only a factor or two over their costs for bandwidth.

    2. Re:Because... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      start treating it like the need-to-regulate-speed resource like highways?

      ROFLMAO we restrict speeds on highways for safetey, fuel efficiency and/or to generate revenue from speeding fines, not for any reason to do with capacity.

      Oh and while we freqently reffer to bandwidth as "speed" it is totally different from the speed of a vehicle (that is more comparable to latency).

      they need to start offering more realistic packages for light, medium and heavy users or something. Say about 1.5MB for light or email only users, 5MB or so for medium users and gamers, and 15MB for high users, and the just go up from there for ultra heavy users or biz class users who need those kinds of packages. I guarantee there will be people who will be perfectly happy paying $100 a month for 25MB

      There may be some but mostly I'd rather have a faster connection with a (reasonable) cap so I can download what I want as quickly as possible. Most people (hoarder pirates excepted) don't download anywhere close to 24/7.

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    3. Re:Because... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Afaict the standard is 95th percentile, not 90th.

      But do note that at high ratios of committed bandwidth (that is the bandwidth you pay for whether your 95th percentile measure is up there or not) to maximum line bandwidth it's a very gameable system. Max out your line for short periods and keep it near idle the rest of the time and you can have a zero low 95th percentile bandwidth while moving a lot of data. I bet if 95th percentile billing with high ratios of committed bandwidth to line bandwdith was offered to end users you would see a lot of pirate-hoarders doing this sort of gaming.

      IMO the real problem is not the measurement of bandwidth, average bandwdith or the equivilent total data transferred (possiblly with a peak/off-peak system) is a reasonable measurement when dealing with end users. The real problem is that there is little competition and little motivation to drop prices.

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  10. Or, put another way... by GrpA · · Score: 2

    If you created a fiber loop around a drum, using 50 km of fiber and this technology, you would be able to use it as ultra-high-speed storage

    It would store 20.8 Gbytes of information with read-write speeds of 1 Pbit per second, and a random access r/w time of 166 microseconds max.

    Not bad eh? But unlikely to come in 2.5" format I suspect.

    GrpA

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    1. Re:Or, put another way... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Probablly cheaper just to keep the data in a ram array.

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  11. Depends by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    How long that transfer speed would take to transfer one Library of Congress's worth of data all depends on who you ask.

    Depends how much .jpg compression you use...

  12. CERN data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At that rate it can just keep up with the amount of data produced by CERN when it is in operation. http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2081263/cern-experiments-generating-petabyte