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Ask Slashdot: How To Fight Copyright Violations With DMCA?

szyzyg writes "I've created some popular science videos showing how asteroid discoveries have happened over the last few decades. However I've run into a problem with a religious organization which borrowed my video and redubbed it to promote their religious message. Ultimately I filed a DMCA takedown request via YouTube's site, it's as easy as filling in a form and the video was removed. But this organization has since submitted a counterclaim claiming 'under penalty of perjury' that they do in fact have the rights to this work, and YouTube has reinstated the video. It looks like the only way I can pursue this further is to spend the money to take the organization to court and get an injunction, but even if I did so I'd have to pay court costs up front and since they're based in another country I'd have a difficult time actually collecting any money from the other party. It feels like this other group is simply gambling that I won't spend the time and resources to take further legal action, the DMCA is supposed to provide equal protection but the more lawyer you have the more 'equal' you are. So does anyone have any suggestions for how I should proceed here?"

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  1. The DMCA by santax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't mean shit outside the USA. Thank God.

    1. Re:The DMCA by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doesn't mean shit outside the USA. Thank God.

      Unfortunately, the USA doesn't care about inconveniences like sovereignty of a foreign nation. And you better not complain, or we'll bring Democracy to your country too. We've been very busy creating new treaties to expand DMCA-like law to other countries, building up extradition, and creating extrajudicial process to punish people who commit acts considered criminal in our country but not theirs. At the same time, we've been withdrawing from treaties that restrict the diplomatic rights and sovereignties of others, for the benefit of our military-industrialist complex. Ask Julian Assange how that works sometime... that is, if you can get him out of his new permanent jail in the Ecudorian apartme--er, embassy.

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    2. Re:The DMCA by readandburn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Should that be:
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      outside of the USA?

    3. Re:The DMCA by cusco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you watch the video in question you'd rather quickly realize that 'asking nicely' isn't going to do any good. They've rather blatantly taken his work, which very clearly refers to new asteroids discovered because of improved detection , and made it into an apocalyptic scare video where the asteroids are appearing out of nowhere to threaten Earth. From 8000 asteroids known in 1980 to the 300000+ known today, they want the audience to believe that they are massing for some kind of cataclysmic attack. Not anyone likely to listen to a request 'asked nicely'.

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    4. Re:The DMCA by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, they are clearly crazy and stupid. So make a new video mocking them! The more outrageous the better. Use their own stupidity in your video. Find out what other crazy beliefs they hold and promote and include those. You may have noticed that John Stewart and Sarah Silverman get more views than some wrinkled prune screaming about the apocalypse.

      Or have a contest to see who can make the funnier mocking video. Let us all in on the fun!

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    5. Re:The DMCA by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, how do we know that they aren't massing for an attack? In fact, ordinary terrestrial rocks may in fact be fifth columnists! We could be in tremendous danger.

      I suggest we panic.

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  2. Play God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Release another video that shows asteroids smashing into the cultist's church and an undead dinosaur army emerging from the crater to devour their children.

  3. A burning bush talked! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    > borrowed my video and redubbed it to promote their religious message.
    > ...
    > submitted a counterclaim claiming 'under penalty of perjury' that they do
    > in fact have the rights to this work

    A religious organization lie? You're kidding me!

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  4. Re:financial impact by szyzyg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I originally found out about this other video after Youtube's content identification system identified *my* video as infringing on *their* video and disabled revenue sharing, that took a month to sort out during which I was unable to monetize my work. (also, I suspect that this possible infringing status flagged my account and resulted in several of my other videos submitted during that period being denied monetization).

    Anyway, yes, offended and it cost me a bit of revenue

  5. Let other religious groups do it for you by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a problem with a religious organization which borrowed my video and redubbed it to promote their religious message

    Re-redub their version to make the group's religious message blasphemous to Islamists.

    That should eventually take care of your problem, but there may be a wee bit of collateral damage to the rest of the world along the way, like World War III.

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  6. file copyright with US Copyright Office by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently the religious group is outside the US, which adds another level of difficulty.

    But anyway, in general, if you live in the US, and protecting your copyright is really important to you, you should file copyright forms with the US Copyright Office. Although current law says that you enjoy copyright protection regardless of whether you file, it doesn't give you *equal* protection if you don't file. If you file, you can sue for both actual damages and statutory damages. If you didn't file, then you can only sue for actual damages, which are presumably zero in your case. When statutory damages are in play, a lawyer will often be willing to take such a case on a contingent fee basis.

    The DMCA sucks, but it doesn't follow that enforcing copyright automatically sucks, or even that enforcing it using the DMCA automatically sucks. Laws are like beer and shotguns; they can be used for both good and bad purposes. I'm willing to contemplate living in a society without copyright, but in such a society the GPL and BSD software licenses, for example, would be unenforceable. Likewise, I'm willing to contemplate living in a society without private property -- but if I tried to implement such a society unilaterally, I'd run into all kinds of problems.

  7. Re:Good Job, Scott Manley by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The video used my name, and picture and implies that my research supports their creationist message.

    Then you likely have a defamation or publicity claim to add to your copyright infringement claim. Make sure to bring these up at the initial consultation with your lawyer.

  8. Doing one's homework for the initial consultation by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You nailed it. Legal questions in Ask Slashdot are requests for the community's help in performing steps 1 (understand the basics of the law) and 2 (understand the costs and benefits of suing) in order to become better prepared for step 3 (initial consultation with lawyer).

  9. Re:Information wants to be free by fredprado · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those kind of "Slashdotters" are usually a lot more coherent than "Slashdotters haters Slashdotters" like you. ;)

    That said, most slashdotters are not against copyright per se, but against the abuse of copyright by corporations, the use of public money to defend their rights while the common citizen have to bankrupt himself to have any chance of having justice made, and the erosion of fair use promoted by those same big corporations.

    Your limited capacity of understanding these concepts is what brings you to perceive their opinions as something paradoxical.

  10. Re:That's the way the cookie crumbles by caballew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Depends on the local jurisdiction whether they can issue an injunction. The good news is that Adnan Oktar aka Harun Yahya probably will not answer a complaint in a local small claims court therefore you would win a default judgment of up to $5,000 or more (amount depends on jurisdiction) which would be all that YouTube would need to take it down and you could also try to seize any advertising funds generated (if any) by YouTube on behalf of Harun Yahya. Plus it might be sufficient cause to get the YouTube user banned since they submitted an affidavit under threat of perjury that they were entitled to use video.

    Downsides: 1) They could answer charge and have it dismissed in favor of moving it to a Federal court. 2) Filing fee of ~ $50 (amount depends on jurisdiction)

    But then I've always like tilting at windmills.

    Another idea is that maybe they have done this numerous times and it involved 5 or more people then maybe you could sue under RICO statutes which might entice a lawyer working on a percentage basis to take the case. Then again, my "limited knowledge" of the RICO statutes make me believe it is under utilized by private citizens which leads me to wonder if I know just enough to sound ignorant.

  11. Re:That's the way the cookie crumbles by Joe+Decker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thank you, that's interesting and, at least in theory potentially useful to me some day.

    (Only had one real copyright claim, someone used one of my images on the cover of their death metal CD and was selling it. No returned phone calls for weeks. Good thing it was the cover, Eventually I DMCA'd the album cover from Amazon's web site, got a call back in *minutes*, whole matter was settled an hour or two later. If they'd counterclaimed, or just used m images inside the CD booklet, ... well, anyway. Weird how these things work.

    Anyway, thanks again for the data.

    One other thing: The copyright office has an RfC or the like on making a copyright small claims court. I think something like that might be sensible, but IANAL. Anyway, FYI, http://www.copyright.gov/docs/smallclaims/