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Riot Breaks Out At Foxconn

Presto Vivace writes with news (as reported by Engadget) of a riot at Foxconn's Taiyuan plant, reportedly over guards beating up a worker, and writes "Something is going on at Foxconn. Do any Slashdotters know of a good source for news about Chinese labor disputes?" Reports of the riot are also at Reuters, TUAW, and CNBC, to name a few.

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  1. Strange by rhavan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was trying to find the plant in question on IOS Maps, but I don't see it.

    1. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd be lucky to find China with those maps.

    2. Re:Strange by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish there were a +1 Frightening moderation option

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    3. Re:Strange by postmortem · · Score: 5, Funny

      You might find it, but it might not be where you expect it.
      http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/32042128251/taken-on-my-ipad

    4. Re:Strange by morcego · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd be lucky to find China with those maps.

      It is right between Italy and Venezuela.

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    5. Re:Strange by Guppy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was trying to find the plant in question on IOS Maps, but I don't see it.

      Funny you joke, but mainland China considers accurate maps to be a state secret. All exported maps, including those used for GPS units, are required by law to introduce deliberate distortions (although some devices have hacks available to correct them).

    6. Re:Strange by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh so you're saying, Apple actually developed iOS 6 maps to please the Chinese government and we shouldn't just ascribe it to incompetence?

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    7. Re:Strange by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, it's a feature, not a bug. Also, you're holding it wrong.

      I know this routine. ;)

    8. Re:Strange by yuje · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, after years of development, the Reality Distortion Field is now available on iOS apps!

  2. Srsly? by ugen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, and slashdot readers are a great source of news from Chinese sweatshop plants because demographics are, like, so close.

  3. Re:Who cares? by formfeed · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know dude!

    Here I am, buying cheap electronic components, and I know that by doing so I support a state
    where the police can arrest you if they don't like the way you look and your papers don't convince them that you are a good citizen.
    A place where any worker can just be fired and replaced without reason.
    A state, where workers have no right to organize and might even be arrested for trying.
    -But on the other hand, I like the cheap stuff I get from Arizona.

  4. Reuters Has The Story by guttentag · · Score: 5, Informative
    It was on the front page of the NY Times earlier, but has since been buried here.

    Key points:
    • The plant has 79,000 workers, makes parts for automotive electronics and "assembles various electronic devices" including the iPhone 5 (yeah, I know, so what... but you know that's what everyone wants to know out of morbid curiosity and how this might relate to them)
    • As many as a thousand workers may have been involved, but the fight took place at the company's dormitories, not in the factory itself
    • 10 people injured, no one killed
    1. Re:Reuters Has The Story by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gentlemen -- welcome to Foxconn Club. The first rule of Foxconn Club is...

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  5. Re:Who cares? by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with a "communist dictatorship" (though it should be noted that China is about as far from communism as can be), it has everything to do with companies in the wealthy part of the world using workers in poorer parts of the world as virtual slave labor. It is the epitome of capitalism, for owners to make as much money as possible simply by virtue of already having a lot of it, while paying their workers as little as they can possibly get away with.

  6. Re:Labor disputes by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There will be tweets (or weibos as the case may be), until the government gets around to blocking them. For example this one and these.

    It's pretty clear that this wasn't just a little fight, but it seems to be under control at this point. The cops were out in force, and there appear to have been military personnel on the scene as well.

  7. No first-hand accounts by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something is going on at Foxconn. Do any Slashdotters know of a good source for news about Chinese labor disputes?

    Drat! If only there was someone on the scene with a smartphone with a really good camera and fast data connection!

  8. Reports differ by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guys at wehateapple.com are saying it's the worst thing in history and that Apple will finally get what's coming to them for all teh evils. But the guys at appleisgreat.com are saying it's no big deal and stuff like this happens all the time.

    Meanwhile, the guys at mindyourownbusiness.com don't have a report about it at all, but they do have some good reports that seem relevant to my own life. At mindsomeoneelsesbusiness.com, they're extremely interested in whether African tribes that make their own beer are at a greater risk for gout from too much yeast and they think it's the fault of the US government for some reason.

    At newsfornerds.com, they're just trolling for clicks, so they put up a story with no information to get Apple haters and Apple fanboys sniping at each other. Later, they'll be posting stories about evolution, Mitt Romney's failure to announce any female cabinet members, an ask newsfornerds.com question about whether Dragon Age 3 will be more heterosexual-friendly than Dragon Age 2, and a statement from RMS about how the government should stop paying school teachers because they should be sharing their knowledge for free.

  9. Re:Labor disputes by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is China. There won't be any news.

    Typical western elitist propaganda.

    I saw the story prominently covered on Sina Weibo. The Foxconn workers held a contest to see who was the happiest. The winner won the right to shake the Foxconn chairman's hand. So many Foxconn workers wanted to shake the chairman's hand, they all surged forward and broke a fence. Smiling security workers were dispatched to assist the few who received minor injuries.

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  10. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by mvdwege · · Score: 5, Funny

    Behold the sense of iHumor.

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  11. ker-lap alap alap! by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need to stop basing your views on sitcom caricatures.

    You're just a cowardly insecure little bitch who didn't know life was going to be this way

    Is his job a joke? Is his love-life DOA?

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  12. Re:Such a caring company by SilenceBE · · Score: 5, Informative

    Major customers of Foxconn currently include:

    Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[40]
    Amazon.com (United States)[7]
    Apple Inc. (United States)[41]
    Cisco (United States)[42]
    Dell (United States)[43]
    Hewlett-Packard (United States)[44]
    Intel (United States)[45]
    Microsoft (United States)[9]
    Motorola Mobility (United States)[43]
    Nintendo (Japan)[46]
    Nokia (Finland)[41]
    Sony (Japan)[8]
    Toshiba (Japan) [47]
    Vizio (United States)[48]

    You don't care about these workers, you are only bothered with your Apple hate so that you even ignore the facts. Only on slashdot this can be modded up. Sickening !

  13. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by CodeheadUK · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hmmm, I've seen that list somewhere before.

    http://search.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138293&cid=41431711 in the last Apple story (and in other /. Apple story too but life is too short to go looking).

    Is this now the standard reply trotted out to rebuff the iOS6 map problem?

    'Think Different' sounds more like Scientology every day.

  14. That's really not accurate about automation by tlambert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The robotic automated control systems are typically shit, but that doesn't mean it's not doable, it just means that mechanical and electrical engineers should not write robotic control systems, they should leave it to software engineers. In other words, it's the same problem that the Diamond Viper video cards had back in the day when they let EE's write the video BIOS, instead of hiring a software engineer to do it.

    I recently spent some quality time programming a Toshiba CA10-M00 controller interfaced robot for the purposes of doing testing on capacitive touch devices, such as trackpads, and the programming interface at the lowest level was, to put it bluntly, incredibly badly designed. The one saving grace was "palletizing" mode, and all that let you do was do things like fill columns in a biological sample tray while moving the pallet on which it was situated over one row at a time, and then repeating the previous instruction.

    In any case, the controller was pretty terrible, very limited in capability, and only capable of controlling 4 degrees of freedom without being ganged to another controller for the next 4 degrees of freedom; even then; you'd want to install optional interface modules to use for step-signalling between the controllers, rather than ganging them, based on the limited number of steps available under the control of a single controller, and the inability to do anything remotely useful in only 1000 steps (with 4 degrees of freedom, 1000 steps was pushing rationality as it was).

    As delivered, the hardware didn't actually function (had to send it back once to have a servo replaced), and when driven from other than the EEPROM, the command language is insufficiently rich to perform motion on more than a single axis at a time (which basically meant writing a program to write a program, rather than controlling it directly). Additionally, the plat was oriented incorrectly, and there were no registration marks on any of the manual adjustments, and the robot was not set up to be capable of non-2-d self interference (read: if incorrectly programmed, it could beat itself to death).

    To top all this joy off, they very much expected you to use a "teaching pendant" to do a single static program, and I had to reverse engineer how to talk to the thing with a documented list of serial functions, with no documentation of order or the requirements for baseline settings.

    All in all, to get a suite of repeatable test motions that could be applied to multiple devices with different form-factors required some fairly clever hackery. What I ended up with was a library of code that could be used to write a program that could program the robot. The most interesting of those are not in the public repository, but the rest of the code is here: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/touchbot.git;a=tree

    The bottom line is that by using meta-programming, instead of using the default crap interface you get by applying teaching-pendant programming, it'd be pretty trivial to change over the location of a screw, or even radically alter the layout.

    And just practically speaking, fetching a screw is a subroutine, putting in a screw is a subroutine, and where to put the screw in is a point in the X,Y,Z,R point table, if you wrote your code correctly in the first place, which you'd be unlikely to do if using the teaching pendant, but which was still technically possible using one. Which'd mean just rewriting the point table after issuing a region erase command to the robot controller over an RS232C link, after jamming the robot into a receptive mode with 5 other command would move the screw.

    But doing the metaprogramming approach, it'd also be possible to radically alter the robot behaviour pretty trivially and be up and running on the real assembly line once you got your test line working correctly to the new model.

    Which is to say, the argument that you can't as trivially recon

  15. Re:Who cares? by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A single example of a US citizen being arrested for the way they look and not having papers?

    They made a movie about that. I think it was called "Rambo".

  16. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yep, SuperKendall, BasilBrush, and a few others are there to try to eliminate adverse talk about Apple Corp.

    I don't know why, but I assume they work for them. I can't really see why they'd die in a ditch defending Apple's relentless unethical and stupid decisions if they were only fans.

    I guess there's more to Apple marketing than black turtle necks, rounded corners and misleading ads.

  17. Re:Who cares? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    China should actually be the shining example of capitalism. A government that supports the creation of companies, while pretty much outlawing any and all labor unions and worker organisation, a bare minimum of worker protection (afaik you can't simply kill them if you don't like them anymore), no interference with your hiring, firing, paying or worker treatment policies...

    And STILL we're not happy. What more could we possibly want them to do to be good capitalists?

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  18. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by Macthorpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, all your examples are from 2010, and from cursory glance, they're all resolved. Also you included at least one link to errors that were appearing in Google Places, not Google Maps.

    You might think it's unfair that we're judging a map that's been out for less than a month to one that's been out for years, but if you're going to release a new product it's going to be compared to what is currently available. The fact is, there are too many errors in obvious stuff - misspelled capital cities, duplications of entire islands, famous landmarks with incorrect coastlines. It's a complete abandonment of the philosophy of "It Just Works".

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  19. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by Worthless_Comments · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a number I can give you for a good stick-remover. You know, if you get tired of having one up your ass.

  20. OpenStreetMaps dude, give it more publicity by cheekyboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why arent more linux people promoting OSM.

    Why isnt Ubuntu using it in its desktop maps app?

    Why isnt slashdot using links to OSM maps when ever a map is needed.

    The fact that you can download all 9GIG and have a 100% local maps kicks but over all maps, and its OSS for gods sake.

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  21. Re:Who cares? by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are the shining example of capitalism.... and the poster child for why neither unfettered communism nor unfettered capitalism is a system that works.

  22. Re:Who cares? by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Informative

    The funny thing about most "liberals" are... well... they don't get it/aren't really liberal.

    The problem with that is, you can't really define things in a binary. It's not a liberal/conservative dichotomy, because there's too many issues to be divided on. How do you define somebody who believes in small government, supports the death penalty in some cases (repeat offender, serial murder, for example), is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.? Even dividing it on lines of fiscal versus social liberalism is an oversimplification, because then you get people like me, who self identify as a fiscal conservative (shouldn't be spending money we don't have), but still believe in socialized health care and subsidized education on the basis that as a long-term investment they end up increasing tax revenues and pay for themselves. And like you, I also believe that we should be paying for fair trade products (there's a reason I drink Ceylon tea), and avoiding products with blood minerals, because even though they're more expensive, they promote quality of life around the world. Unlike you, I do buy my electronics new, but I am also careful about what I buy, and don't replace them just because something shiner comes along.... I find I get better economy by buying something that's relatively high quality, even though it may be more expensive up front, because it lasts longer.

    So what does that make me? A liberal, or a conservative? By American definitions, I'm ultra-left-wing commie pinko liberal (pro-choice, pro-gay rights as well... no I don't support the death penalty, I believe in restorative justice rather than punitive), but by European standards I'm actually pretty conservative, at least fiscally... I'd fit right in in Germany. And this is where the whole thing falls apart, and why we can't draw a binary comparison. :)

  23. Re:Well don't look to Google for answers! by Stele · · Score: 5, Funny

    The map is fine - you're just reading it wrong.