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Cheap, Portable Ultrasound Could a Be Lifesaver .

ericjones12398 writes "Every year, around 250,000 women die due to complications from pregnancy and childbirth. New research developing cheap, portable ultrasounds could help reduce that number. From the article: 'Although diagnostic imaging is scarce in much of the developing world (mostly related to cost and portability), ultrasound imaging is a feasible technology for prototyping in low-resource settings such as developing countries. Indeed, many notable technology giants, such as GE and Siemens, are working on low-cost portable ultrasound models. GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds. Mobisante, a startup in Seattle, takes portable ultrasound technology one step further with the MobiUS SP1 system, an ultrasound that wirelessly connects to the Internet or a smartphone for viewing results at an affordable price tag. By comparison, the large, clunky ultrasound machine most people associate with hospitals can cost anywhere from $32,000-$160,000.'"

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  1. Could be a lifesaver for men too by s0446 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you know when it's the time to run away.

    Ba-dum-ttsshhh

  2. women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It could also increase the number of gender-specific abortions.

  3. Money better spent by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Education so they don't get knocked up in the first place. I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

    1. Re:Money better spent by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2

      Education so they don't get knocked up in the first place. I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

      Increased certainty.

      By making family planning realistic, and less of a crapshoot, 3rd world women don't have to have as many babies.
      Subsistence farmers have always had to maximize the number of children in order to survive.

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    2. Re:Money better spent by Aguazul2 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps instead it will be used to abort more female babies, which will reduce the population, perhaps drastically. (Apart from leaving a generation of frustrated men). This already happens, BTW, in both India and China.

    3. Re:Money better spent by mr1911 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And why should I wear condom when having sex? It takes away all the fun.

      You do not have to wear a condom. Your hand cannot get pregnant.

      The earlier post was referring to those that have sex with women.

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    4. Re:Money better spent by tibit · · Score: 2

      It is fun if you want it to be :)

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  4. Re:by comparison by Qzukk · · Score: 2

    Gizmodo has it:

    The best feature may be its price which is surprisingly low. Each [mobiUS] unit costs $7,495 which is slightly less than GE's mobile ultrasound machine, the GE Vscan which costs $7,900. And now after eight months of regulatory testing, the mobiUS is finally available for purchase.

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  5. Selective abortions by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cost is not the only issue. Ultrasound equipment is severely regulated in some countries because it is used for gender identification that results in selective abortions. When my wife was pregnant in Shanghai, we had to go to a special hospital for foreigners to get an ultrasound.

  6. Invasive? by gtirloni · · Score: 2

    "GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds."

    I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

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  7. Ultrasound is not expensive by kheldan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work for an ophthalamic ultrasound company. The hardware itself doesn't need to be expensive if you want basic functionality; it can be done in a USB-attachable box and run on any Windows machine. What makes devices like this expensive is the FDA (and it's equivalent agencies in non-U.S. countries) and all the extensive testing that needs to be done before they'll approve the device for sale. For ophthalamic ultrasound, I believe it cost something on the order of $50000US to perform all the testing that the FDA required before it could be legally sold. Other countries would require their own testing. All of this ends up driving the cost up. Of course the mere fact that it's a medical device means that the manufacturers jack the price up to make a gigantic profit off it, because doctors don't have much choice of where to buy their equipment, too.

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    1. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      If it makes you feel better, the cost to test/approve a "new" engineered item for use in residential construction, the costs are similar - $50,000-$100,000 - to complete all of the required testing and documentation (ICC-ES) for nearly "automatic" approval by code officials.It's all about the guarantee of safety, and it's partially because there is no one holding the bag when things go wrong. Nobody will (actually, no one can) put their livelihood on the line to vouch for it.

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  8. Easy by srussia · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

    The same way you eliminate bugs by not writing software in the first place.

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  9. Re:It needs to be said by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of facilitating the addition of millions of babies into poverty, perhaps a much greater emphasis should be placed on preventing their conception.

    One of the best ways to encourage women to have fewer babies is to make them feel more confident that those fewer babies are going to be healthy.

  10. Re:and also.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    What? Your rant makes little sense. We've had small, portable ultrasounds for years. Looking at TFA I'm not seeing much of a breakthrough - they're perhaps a bit cheaper, a bit better but I don't see the breakthrough. You can buy second hand portables for a couple of grand.... No, you don't need a really expensive or sophisticated machine to do routine obstetrics work and there are thousands of cheap, used and entirely functional ultrasounds running around. It's not the lack of technology that causes much of the 'third world' medical problems. It is the social, political and economic structures that limit creation of any sort of useful infrastructure to use the technology.

    You can go buy one off the Internet without a medical degree - you just need a valid credit card. You can't charge people to have their gall bladders looked into. At that point you are 'practicing medicine'. But you can run around and impress your friends should you be so inclined. You can be as innovative as you like. That's not the problem at all.

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  11. $7900 by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    And that's the "buy now" price for the "Interson SeeMore USB Portable Ultrasound Abdominal Probe".

    On the other hand...
    As someone who had 3 different ultrasound diagnoses, to the same heart condition, by 2 specialists - which in the end turned out to be of viral origin (they were literally chasing shadows); and who later had a dubious privilege of fixing and editing hundreds of ultrasound photos for an ultrasound textbook, with each step done according to the instructions of an instructor/teacher with some 40 years in the ultrasound diagnostic - price of the equipment is not the biggest obstacle in getting the ultrasound "to the masses".

    It's training and experience.
    And you need literally years of both to start making your ultrasound guesses educated.
    Cause without both extensive training with an experienced ultrasound technician AND years of experience in doing ultrasounds of that particular section of human body - that whole "subjective interpretation of an objective method" thing amounts to just guessing.

    There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin.
    On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

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    1. Re:$7900 by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      I got an echocardiogram this morning. I'd been waiting for the appointment since January.

      So yes, I agree, it's about training and experience.

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    2. Re:$7900 by sl149q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was getting an Ultrasound directed procedure done a year ago and commented to the Doctor doing it that the very expensive (I think GE) device he was using would be available as a dongle and iPhone app within a year or two.

      He bristled at the suggestion saying that it wouldn't replace his decade of experience using them and interpreting the results.

      I can sympathize to a certain extent. But I suspect that there are still a vast range of simple procedures that could be helped with this type of device. That over time more MD's (especially in the 3rd world) will gain experience (the hard way by simply using them.)

      And since these are connected to devices with amazing amounts of CPU power machine based diagnostic tools will also be just around the corner.

      There will still be the hard corner cases where only an experience and well practiced professional should be using this or something more expensive to figure something out (the "House" scenarios.) But there will also be a much better care at lower cost for a wide range of things.

    3. Re:$7900 by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin. On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

      Radio Shack sells metal detectors for about $100.

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    4. Re:$7900 by denzacar · · Score: 2

      There will still be the hard corner cases where only an experience and well practiced professional should be using this or something more expensive to figure something out (the "House" scenarios.) But there will also be a much better care at lower cost for a wide range of things.

      Actually, the House scenario I mention above is a VERY simple and a very typical case.
      A kid swallowing a coin. Two doctors suspecting just that.
      They do an ultrasound - and they can't agree if what they are seeing is a coin or a pocket of gas.

      It is a diagnostic method highly dependent on subjective interpretation. I.e. Trained intuition based on expert training and experience.

      That over time more MD's (especially in the 3rd world) will gain experience (the hard way by simply using them.)

      Without actual expert guidance and additional diagnostic methods such as X-ray only experience they will gain is in writing death certificates - cause they'll be doing a lot of faulty and unnecessary operations based on worse than guesswork.
      Why worse? Because it will be guesswork backed by authority of technology.
      As a bonus, use of such devices will drain what little there's left of the communal medical resources - as bad diagnostic will have them chasing imaginary diseases and injuries.

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    5. Re:$7900 by TheSwift · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin. On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

      While I've heard that some House episodes are very educational, I can tell you that that House episode was just another medical TV show keeping the public sufficiently ignorant of medicine to ensure that we'll always need health professionals. What the HELL were they doing getting an US!?! I work in an emergency department and anyone with eyes can tell the difference between a foreign body and an air bubble on an X-ray. To my knowledge US is never used to evaluate for foreign body.

      Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_in_alimentary_tract

      GI tract example: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/776566-overview - Is it a nail, or an air bubble???

      However, just because US aren't useful for evaluating foreign bodies it doesn't mean that the technology isn't extremely promising for other factors of disease or (in the case of the article) complications with pregnancy. Can you imagine if these were widely available how easy it would be for a soon-to-be mother to learn the basics on what to look for to prevent a serious complication? Think about how many books and media a pregnant mother reads and intakes to educate themselves on pregnancy to ensure they have a healthy 9 months? If a 3-hour class was offered to mothers about how to look for an US complication and a hand-held US machine was loaned to them for their pregnancy, I'm confident that nearly all would jump at the opportunity. It wouldn't be training them to diagnose themselves or their babies with any disease it would be like, "If you see your baby's umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and you feel funny, then you should probably come see the OB/GYN immediately." That's something you could teach in a 3-hour class.

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  12. Then there would be less girls by bubblegoose · · Score: 2

    In third world countries, where they need the boys to work the fields, they would abort a girl at the first chance. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9103831/In-the-third-world-unwanted-baby-girls-disappear.-Its-called-gendercide.-And-its-happening-in-this-country-too.html

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    1. Re:Then there would be less girls by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Women say: "My body, my choice." Nobody can tell them otherwise when they decide to have an abortion. They can have one at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all.

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    2. Re:Then there would be less girls by TheSwift · · Score: 2
      Do you really think that a significant amount of people in third world countries would get access to hand-held US (and know how to use it!) before they had access to an OB/GYN who could give them a sonogram anyways? The latter would, of course, thus allow them to determine the sex of their child and so have the same result.

      Yes, that's already happening every day in China, but I personally, don't think hand-held US aren't going to make it happen any faster. Why would anyone spend $7000 on a hand-held US when they could go get a sonogram for $200? (Source: http://children.costhelper.com/ultrasound.html)

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  13. Quite contrary... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    Even with degraded accuracy, having _some_ imaging capability is almost certainly better than having none.

    Having "some" ultrasound diagnostic capability of questionably quality is WORSE than having none.

    First, you have to realize that the problem with ultrasound diagnostic is not in the lack of equipment.
    Its in the lack of experts. And you really need EXPERTS, not technicians. Why?

    Well, its the second thing - without years of expertise it is just a guessing game.
    And experts become experts after years of training and experience of ultrasound imaging and diagnostic - on a very specific part of the body.
    It's one of those "more art than science" things.
    They are looking at shadows and reflections from inside of a living, moving 3D object - trying to make out a detail which would indicate some possible medical condition for that particular region of the human body.

    Give a low capability device to someone with an "ultrasound course" and all you'll get is more faulty diagnoses, more "inconclusive" results and more work for the ultrasound specialists due to such ultrasounds.
    You might as well equip each doctor with a portable machine that goes "PING!".

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  14. Cheap Does Not Mean Diagnostic by krisdickie · · Score: 2

    I have worked in this exact field for 12+ years (see www.ultrasonix.com) - started as a software developer, and now involved with internal/external research and product development for the past 5 years. What the article fails to mention is that, sure there are a lot of low cost options in the market, there always have been and always will be - but their diagnostic capabilities are so inferior, that to try and address problems like pregnancy complications may be pointless. Obstetrical ultrasound is one of the most in-depth examinations that sonography can provide, and I doubt that with current technology the article is referencing (@ $100) that anything diagnostic can be achieved to help save the lives. I.e. why waste money and training time on an inferior technology, when perfectly capable ones already exist for a relatively low price already when pegged against other imaging modalities such as CT/MR/PET, etc. To give an idea, a $10,000 system is a low-cost ultrasound device these days (article references GE's V-Scan and Siemens P10 that fall under this category). These devices can definitely help see the fetus and help with very specific diagnoses, but if I knew my wife was at risk of complications, I would be appalled if she were scanned with a device like this when getting screened, so I just can't imagine that $100 technology will provide anything useful, even in 3rd world. I do believe that we'll have a ~$1000 scanner on the market, that's smart-phone sized and will provide wonderful diagnostic images, but probably not for another 10 years or so. And even in this case, it would be limited to specific exams. It would be interesting if the Newcastle group disclosed more information on their proposed technology in any case - always looking forward to the future of looking inside our bodies!

  15. Re:It needs to be said by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    I think the population explosion in poorer countries over the last 50 years pretty conclusively shows that to be false.

    There is a very strong correlation between child mortality and birthrate. When war or famine kills children, women tend to have even more children to compensate. The country with the highest birthrate in the world is Niger, which is currently experiencing both a famine and a civil war.

    When UNICEF installed wells to provide clean water in many African villages, rates of childhood diarrhea fell, and the birthrate fell right along with it, and fell by more than the mortality decreased. The birthrate in neighboring villages did not fall. There is plenty more evidence showing similar results for vaccinations, anti-malaria bed nets, nutritional programs, literacy programs, and even electrification (kids are much healthier when they don't inhale soot from candles and cooking fires). All of these things reduce population growth.

  16. Not just for pregnant mothers. by TheSwift · · Score: 2
    A useful hand-held US machine could assist in a variety of ways in the healthcare profession. It would mean that trained doctors without access to other, larger equipment (remote places) could reliably diagnose or rule out appendicitis (among many other disease processes). If paramedics were trained on the machine, they could quickly establish peripheral IV access to administer medication in life or death situations.

    I work an emergency department with an emergency physician who uses a "large, clunky US machine" to evaluate for countless disease processes quickly in pt's rooms. He and many other progressively minded physicians would jump at advances in this technology that would make it easier to use them to use.

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