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Canadian Minister Mined Data To Target Email To Gay Voters

An anonymous reader writes "Has Immigration Minister Jason Kenney been emailing you? Maybe it's because you're gay. The minister sent out an email on Sept 24 lauding the government's efforts to protect and promote queer rights abroad. It highlights the 'emphasis . . . on gay and lesbian refugee protection, which is without precedent in Canada's immigration history.' The Ottawa Citizen's Glen McGregor broke the story, complete with reaction over the 'creepy' letter. For many who received an email from Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney about gay refugees on Friday, the message raised one important question: How did he know I'm gay? The Conservatives have targeted written messages at minority communities in the past, most notably using direct mail lists to send out greetings to Jewish voters on religious holidays. Some recipients were alarmed by the prospect of the government assembling lists based on ethnicity or religious beliefs. Surely creating such a list will become easier when you are forced to use your real identities on social sites."

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  1. internet by masternerdguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    tracking your browsing might clue them in I suppose.

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    1. Re:internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would like to remind my representatives that I only hang out at TwinksandBears.com for the free t-shirts and coffee mugs.

    2. Re:internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/critics-accuse-kenney-of-pinkwashing-in-targeted-emails-1.970259
      >Kenney's office has not responded to a request for comment Tuesday, but in an email sent to the Ottawa Citizen his press secretary said the mass mailing was only sent to people who had contacted the minister's office in the past.

      >In 2011, nearly 10,000 people added their names to an electronic petition aimed at stopping the deportation of gay artist Alvaro Orozco.

      That's probably where the SPAM list came from. That's the problem with online partition. Not only they don't take you seriously, they also harvest your email address and put it in the SPAM list. A dead tree snail mail to your MP is free.

    3. Re:internet by Sepodati · · Score: 4, Funny

      How does a targetted email from public info instantly transform into a "government list". You really think there's a secret gay list that your names are on now? Is Santa checking it twice?

      I get penis enlargment emails all the time. I don't wonder "How did he know I have a small dick?"

    4. Re:internet by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a big difference between targeting demographics and specific people.

    5. Re:internet by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh NO! The government is trying to figure out the numbers in demographics, so it can help form policy.

      Is there a reason you cannot form policy by treating all people equally, without prying into what they do behind closed doors?

      For example, are a particular groups of people located in a particular area where they can be better served with State or City services, vs the large overhead of a Feds.

      In the long run, all people are better served when federal resources are used only when that's the only way to get the job done. For example, only the federal government can fight a foreign war. Yes I realize that big tax purse held by the feds can look mighty tempting, but you wind up creating a monster in the long term (just look at the current US government versus what the Founders had in mind).

      What part of that 48 percent that doesn't pay taxes are actually low life free loaders, and what percentage are people really trying to make a difference in the world.

      Everyone should pay *something*, even if it's two cents a year. Since so many have been programmed to think in terms of class warfare, let me note here and now that I am not rich, not by any stretch of the word. I'm not waxing my yacht; I'm trying to make ends meet. Yes, I should pay something, even if it's just a token gesture.

      The problem is when the percentage who pay no taxes exceeds 50%, they become a tyranny to the minority who do and the result is the decline and destruction of the nation. The situation can be exploited to attain easy victories in elections. That's what class warfare is all about. That's why politicians do it. They pour that much energy and spend that much time talking about something not to help you and me, but to get elected again.

      Do we even bother measuring if a polity that is in place is working or not? Do we bother setting a metric of saying a policy is considered a success if it reaches this goal vs not.

      Apparently not. We still have a War on (some) Drugs that clearly isn't working, has never worked, is not going to work. Do you really believe the main problem is that we haven't yet found out how many of the drug dealers are gay? Do you think that will make a failed idea suddenly start working? The War on (some) Drugs is a failure to understand human nature, not some demographic.

      The Canadian politicians are merely watching how US politicians get elected again and again by rabble-rousing tactics like class warfare when it comes to income disparities, and old-fashioned divide-and-conquer when it comes to ethnic, religious and racial minorities. They too would like something that gets them elected again and again while drowning out with noise many legitimate criticisms against them.

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    6. Re:internet by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know spam is annoying and all... but you Canadians should really take a moment and consider how amazingly lucky you are. Consider that in your country, the conservatives are shamelessly pandering to homosexuals, instead of trying to deny them the rights everybody else has, and treating homosexuality as some kind of failing to cure with prayer. Maybe some day people in this country will get emails about how Republican politicians have promoted gay rights abroad. It could be 20 or 30 years, as the kids who are now in college move up into political positions. Then again, given how things have changed rapidly on the gay marriage front, it may not be quite so long.

    7. Re:internet by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      You miss the point. There is a good portion of those 47% who had paid their dues, or deserve it. However there is a percentage who doesn't. The stereotypical I am gonna have more babies so my welfare check is bigger. But we don't have real numbers.

      Are the "Bad People" 50% of that 47% where it shows that welfare system isn't working, but giving incentives to be less productive member of society. Or is it less than 1% showing that welfare is a safety net to help get people out of the absolute bottom, and the current increase is due to other factors causing productive people to be poorer.

      We need to measure this, and get details. Because right now we are making assumptions on a summary. Not really looking at what is going on.

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    8. Re:internet by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

      I didn't receive it... and I am a fairly prominent member of the LGBT community here in Ottawa, having been interviewed on the subject a couple of times by CBC's The Current, and also having worked with some government departments to help develop their sensitivity training (most recently, Corrections Canada's transgender awareness/rights program). I'm also personal friends with a few members of parliament, one of whom is a Conservative... I also write to my MP, Gordon O'Connor, on a regular basis, and have told him point blank, to his face, that I would never vote for him because of his record on queer rights. You'd think I would be pretty high on their list of people to target for this kind of communication....

      Still bothered?

      It's bad form for them to send out this kind of mailing... especially considering that direct mailings aren't strictly allowed (or at least, not to be billed to the taxpayer), unless it's non-propaganda, and only being sent to his direct constituents....

    9. Re:internet by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm also Canadian, and I'd like you to consider this:

      The Conservatives (CPC) were never interested in banning gay marriage (or as we call it up here, "marriage") but they were interested in getting the votes from the people who wanted to ban gay marriage. Here's how the vote was done:

      The CPC put the motion in, but then did not use the whip or even require attendance at the vote. (For the Americans, the whip means you're forced to vote with the party or you can lose your seat and it's unlikely that you'll be re-elected. It's not a real whip, all the pity.) Anyway, not forcing people to even show up for the vote would mean that the rest of the House of Commons could vote down the motion with ease BUT then those that didn't show up wouldn't have voting for or against the motion on their record. It was a huge "fuck you, you neanderthal thug" to the people that voted for the CPC with the purpose of banning same-sex marriage.

      After three more elections (long story Yanks, look it up on wikipedia) they still haven't brought it up even as a backbench motion.

      Further, after StatsCan released (several years ago) census data on how few same-sex marriages there are in Canada, several of the lobby groups disbanded. One of the groups was quoted as saying, "After looking at the numbers, we will focus our efforts elsewhere." I think there were more people in the lobby group than there are same-sex marriages.

      They're doing the same thing now with these backbencher motions w.r.t. abortion and when life begins. They aren't going to open the debate, they want to get the votes of people that want them to open the debate. It's a "leash" issue, it keeps that part of their base from looking too hard at the rest of the platform. "Well, they want me to wear an orange jumper and get an implant, but they PROMISED they'd get around to looking at gay marriage / abortion / gun control / etc"

      Also, fuck you and the horse you rode in on for making me, even obliquely, defend those assholes.

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    10. Re:internet by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      Although, a list of gays could be handy. Do you know what the queers are doing to our soil?

      They're working with the aliens to build a spaceport for gay Martians?

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    11. Re:internet by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every once in a while I hear what idiots Harper's Conservatives are; they are not. They are frighteningly politically savvy, and they are playing the game like no other party here is yet.

      I agree with you. The CPC is the most policitally savvy party we've had in Canada for a very, very long time. Harper is incredibly intelligent and highly underestimated.

      They play Canadian politics like I play D&D. I've made DMs leave town.

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    12. Re:internet by J+Story · · Score: 2

      I wish I had mod points to sprinkle on this thread, but slashdot seems to bestow them to me on "boring topic" days only.

      I will agree that the Conservatives have been able to play up their "stupidity" for the media and non-conservative voters, while stupidly pulling off victory after political victory. However, no small part of that is thanks to the ineffective opposition parties -- who, it must be admitted, got that way after being smacked around by the Conservatives. My concern, however, is that the Conservatives might have been so good at their game (or the opposition so bad) that at the moment there does not seem to be a political party that is a credible "government-in-waiting". Maybe the Liberals will regroup, but right now they look to be on life support.

    13. Re:internet by RobbieCrash · · Score: 2

      The entire Welfare Queen concept has been thoroughly debunked, time and time again, and fraudulent usage of state welfare/UI programs is less than 2% of all recipients.The stereotypical "I'm going to have more babies" person doesn't exist. Study after study proves no correlation between family size and family benefits within welfare recipients; that is, people that could get more welfare for more babies don't actually have more babies than those who are not eligible for the same.

      The scumbag portion of that 47% is the 1% who are making over $500K using loopholes to avoid paying income tax. The rest of it are paying taxes, just not income taxes and are hardworking people who are receiving tax credits, people on social security, people who don't make enough money to support their families and are eligible for tax credits. Don't look at the poor to see who's abusing the system. Generally they don't have time, or resources to figure out how to exploit things. That's the providence of the rich who can pay to have people figure out how to best exploit it.

      None of this information is hard to find, so instead of saying we need to measure this, get off your ass and go and read the measurements.

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  2. Yes, we can. by mevets · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Our current government is peculiarly amoral. Fuelled by a fundamentalist background, if it is not written down (ie. law), then there is nothing wrong with it. Even when it is written down, if it is for the greater glory, it gets an exception.

    These lists will come in handy when phase II of their minority targetting comes to pass.

    1. Re:Yes, we can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is this flamebait? It's actually even worse. According to the Harper government, if it's written in constitutional law, there must be something wrong with it. I don't think they've passed a single bill that hasn't been shot down by the supreme court for being unconstitutional. All the current debates also fall into this. They will waste months of debate to try to pass laws that the courts will simply say no to.

    2. Re:Yes, we can. by daem0n1x · · Score: 2

      What happened over there in Canada? I mean, you actually voted for this scum. Were you bored of having one of the best standards of living in the world?

    3. Re:Yes, we can. by citylivin · · Score: 2

      Many feel that the election was stolen due to illegal robocalls by conservatives. But yes, it is a point of national shame that even 40% of the country voted for these sickos. Especially after they were judged in contempt of parliament and should rightly be in jail. The main problem is that the canadian economy never collapsed as the american one did. Housing in vancouver and toronto is still in a bubble. The economy is hanging by a string basically and all it will take is most likely one moderate jar to send it under. But as of now, the conservatives have propped things up and sold stuff off to foreign interests in order to keep us from sliding under. They cannot continue that forever and then their reign will end, same as bush.

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  3. So... by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People sent email to the minister of immigration telling him they were interested in gay rights. The minister took note, and then wrote back to tell them about the work he's doing to promote gay rights. Is this not how democracy is supposed to work? Should he ignore his incomming email in order to protect the sender's privacy?

    1. Re:So... by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People sent email to the minister of immigration

      The funny part is the attempt to cover up "real" data mining. Eh, data mining, don't worry about it, it just means collecting a mailing list.

      Its all to cover up real data mining... mushing your private gmail emailing patterns against your amazon purchases combined with a detailed analysis of every other website you've ever visited and all your facebook friends.

      I wouldn't worry about a guy creating or purchasing an email list. I'd worry about trivializing 1984 style surveillance by calling that action "data mining".

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    2. Re:So... by ToadProphet · · Score: 2

      Actually, no:

      Green says she never communicated with Kenney's office. However, she did sign what she believed was an online petition about a refugee claimant who was about to be deported.

      Source

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    3. Re:So... by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually yes:

        From TFA: "Whenever someone “signed” the petition, the site automatically sent a form letter by email to Kenney’s office with the signatory’s reply email address."

      So Kenney only sent out email to addresses from which he had previously received email on the same theme. If change.org did not inform the people signing the petition that they were sending out email their behalf, then that's hardly Kenney's fault.

    4. Re:So... by ToadProphet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a big difference between addressing a specific concern in a constituents correspondence and compiling a list of constituents sexual preferences to use for communication/propaganda/whatever. I've signed petitions regarding copyright reform - that doesn't give the government the right to put me on a list of potential pirates.

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    5. Re:So... by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nobody compiled a list of sexual preferences. The mailing list in question contained people who had expressed concerns about gay refugees' rights. Those people then received an email concerning gay refugees' rights. Some of the people on that list may have been gay, refugees, or both, but the email did not imply that they were.

      Also: You have signed petitions to the goverment stating your opinion, but you don't want the government to note your opinion? Then, why the hell did you sign the petition?

    6. Re:So... by Comboman · · Score: 2

      It's not a list of constituents sexual preferences, it's a list of constituents who have expressed an interest in LGBT immigration issues in the past, which the Immigration Minister used to inform those constituents about a current LGBT immigration issue. If you think that everyone concerned about LGBT issues is gay, then maybe you're the one with the problem.

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  4. Is this really "the government?" by martas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This seems more akin to targeted advertising by private entities than "the government assembling lists". They're don't seem to be doing it in any official capacity, but rather as a tactic for promoting their party. Not that I'm saying it's not creepy or a cause for concern! But the implication that this is akin to something the NSA might be doing is, I think, out of place.

  5. Re:"How did he know I'm gay?" by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But that was via assembling data people chose to submit to Target through their purchases. This is the government assembling data that their citizens probably didn't want to submit.

    Remember, you have a choice not to support private business intrusion, you don't have a choice not to support government intrusion.

  6. Nothing new by dskoll · · Score: 2

    Political parties of all kinds have been targeting specific groups for years. This is nothing new. What is new is that the Canadian Conservative party has a really kick-ass CRM system that lets them do this kind of targeting very efficiently.

  7. Much ado about nothing by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apparently, this was the source of the email list:

    nearly 10,000 people who electronically signed a 2011 online petition supporting a gay artist from Nicaragua, who was then facing deportation.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that those opposing the deportation of a gay artist would also be supporters of gay rights in general (though not necessarily gay themselves).

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    1. Re:Much ado about nothing by beaverdownunder · · Score: 2

      The point of signing a petition is that you're willing to go on the public record with a position. Don't want to be on the public record with that position? Don't sign the petition!

      If petitions were anonymous, they'd carry _very_ little political weight, and no government would listen to them. They only listen because you're willing to stand up and _be counted_.

    2. Re:Much ado about nothing by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are confusing terms.

      The GP didn't say that the government assumes the people who signed the petition is gay, he said that the government (or the minister) thinks that the people that signed the petition worrying about a gay immigrant may be interested in the rights of gay immigrants. I think this is a logic process (except for those who signed because they were relatives/friends/admirer of that particular person, and would not care for any other gay immigrant).

      The logic for "anyone who promotes legalization of drugs is a drug user" is a far more twisted. It involves making assumptions (like that only "current drug users" would support such a law).

      Also, the government didn't compile anything. Probably an association requested the people to sign in and it was that association who did compile the list and gave it to the government. The government just used it.

      The only concern about this issue is the government used data available only to them (that is, that no other political party had access to) and public means to publicite their gestion only for electoral reasons(instead of having the government run the country and the party prepare the elections). But that seems the usual conduct everywhere, so it is less of a news.

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  8. The only thing that worries me is by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

    The only thing that worries me is, how are Gay Jewish Canadian's supposed to vote?

  9. You know that there's software for this, right? by samazon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok, so, I studied PSC and worked for a statewide campaign here in the USA last year. That said, there is very, very specific databasing/tracking software used by the political parties (We used NGP-VAN) to do this exact thing. We used data from previous Dem campaigns (this was a gubernatorial race; we got the AG, a couple lists from previous governors, and some lists from unsuccessful previous campaigns for various state and local positions) as well as data we collected from cold-calling and anything we found on the internet. Early in the campaign, my role was to track down contact information for our database, as well as any relevant info on where people worked and what their strong political leanings were (Southern Dems are much different from Northern ones). It's easy, especially when it's for calling for contributions.

    There are only about 4M people in my state, so there are more competitive mayoral races in large cities. However, when you're dealing with 10M+ people, you have to rely on outsourced data. I get junk email from a bunch of social action campaigns because of petitions I've signed. I emailed all my state reps over a couple issues. So they know who I am. They also know who you are if you have been politically active online at all.

    This is not an inherently bad thing. Expecting privacy on the internet, expecting your actions not to have unforeseen consequences, is the mark of a person who doesn't understand how the world, and the web, and people in general, work. Just for funsies, go request a dump of your Facebook ad topic data.

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  10. Re:"How did he know I'm gay?" by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    you don't have a choice not to support government intrusion.

    That's bull. You can vote out the intruders and they have to leave. A business can keep on intruding as long as it can afford to.

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  11. Re:Stop sneaking that in. by camperdave · · Score: 2

    If you don't like them, don't use them - it's pretty easy.

    That's easy to say, but hard to do. More and more sites are using social media sites as their login credentials. It's getting harder to not use them.

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  12. You want to know how he knew? by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    How did he know I'm gay?

    I'll tell you how he knew: his gadar is suspiciously accurate for a conservative... :p