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NZ Broke the Law Spying On Kim Dotcom, PM Apologizes

Mad Hamster writes "In the latest installment of the megaupload saga, an official study has determined that New Zealand's Government Communications and Security Bureau broke NZ law by spying on Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom. NZ Prime Minister John Key has apologised to Dotcom and all New Zealanders for this, saying they were entitled to be protected by the law but it had failed them. Link is to writeup in The Guardian." Lots of outlets are reporting this, based on TorrentFreak's report.

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  1. very simple lesson from this by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't do wrong, especially to bad people, since in the latter case you have to apologize to bad people, and it sucks.

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    1. Re:very simple lesson from this by dmbasso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't do wrong, especially to bad people, since in the latter case you have to apologize to bad people, and it sucks.

      Only if you have honor. That doesn't apply to 99% of politicians.

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    2. Re:very simple lesson from this by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't do wrong, especially to bad people, since in the latter case you have to apologize to bad people

      Cool - and next US can apologize for seizing his assets and we can forget about this little ugly incident?

      How about trying to compensate him for the damage? Who is lining up to do that?

      From the TFA:

      American authorities are appealing against a New Zealand court decision that Dotcom should be allowed to see the evidence on which the extradition hearing will be based.

      Ah, another proud day for America :(

    3. Re:very simple lesson from this by geekanarchy · · Score: 5, Funny

      General Motors = Dry-by shooting enabler.
      ExxonMobil = Arson enabler.
      Louisville Slugger = Mugging enabler.
      Pacific Lumber Company = Mugging enabler enabler.
      Slashdot = Trolling enabler.

    4. Re:very simple lesson from this by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what about pirates like UMG, who sell music for direct profit without the permission of the rights holders, and without adequate accounting controls to even give a proper statement of sales and royalties? If Kim Dotcom can have commandos break down his front door, why aren't you demanding the immediate arrest of the CEO, CFO, CIO and the board of directors of UMg?

      And why aren't you demanding an immediate deep forensic audit by the IRS of every Hollywood film made over the last thirty years?

      Double standards much?

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    5. Re:very simple lesson from this by Sprouticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do we know none of the evidence was gathered in the raid.

      THEY WONT LET HIM SEE IT....

      Are you saying we need to rust the NZ government on their word? Seriously. .I mean they are not as bad as the US government, but that's not saying much.

    6. Re:very simple lesson from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      General Motors = Dry-by shooting enabler.

      I will not apologize for my armed struggle against moisture.

  2. Whats this?! by PPalmgren · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A politician and government owning their mistake? Color me impressed.

    1. Re:Whats this?! by aeortiz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Happy to oblige! What's the RGB code for impressed?

    2. Re:Whats this?! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Owning their "mistake"? No. It's like Janet Reno "taking responsibility" for the deaths at Waco.

      Let me explain this. I'll do it slowly so everybody can follow along.

      If someone "broke the law" that makes them a _______? The correct answer is "criminal". By definition.

      What do we do to criminals? Well, if only we had a system that would try them for their crime and determine an appropriate punishment.

      Oh, wait, we do. It's called a "court" and the punishment is a "prison".

      Unless someone in the government is charged with the crimes and subsequently convicted, the "apology" is meaningless. A governmental official breaking the law (even if "under orders") is far more serious than some guy smoking pot in his house. So let's treat it as such.

  3. Hollow sentiment by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come back when you've prosecuted those guilty of breaking the law during this process, all the way up to your own staff. I'd also say that he should be compensated for losses, but it would be paid with tax payer money, and ultimately it's not the tax payers who threw him to the wolves.

    FWIW, Kim Dotcom is a scheister with a history of extremely shady business dealings, but even criminals deserve justice.

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    1. Re:Hollow sentiment by X.25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Kim Schmitz' criminal history with all of the citations you need.

      And?

      He did stupid things when he was younger. Real shocker.

      He has been living a decent life for a long time, he has settled down and became a real family man, and you are still going to justify shit done to him now because of things he has done 10+ years ago (and was held responsible for it and was punished)?

      He is turning up to be the most honest of the whole bunch involved in this circus.

  4. Re:Oh! "We're Very Sorry"?! by cpghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even then, his company has been irreparably damaged by these actions.

    Which was precisely the point of the drill, wasn't it? Legalities matter little to those in power: results do.

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  5. Re:Still not over. by davegravy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whoa Whoa WHOA!

    That's not the kind apology the PM was offering. It was more a "sorry about your luck" kind of apology, not the "this is broken and needs to be fixed" variety.

  6. AMAZINGLY stupid on the US/NZ government... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This business is amazingly stupid on the part of the US and New Zealand governments. MegaUpload really was a criminal enterprise: their entire business model was facilitated on fake takedowns, incentives for copyright violations, and other games. That it is gone is good riddance.

    But they didn't need to create a massive violation of the law like this and create a huge circus about it: They had enough evidence to get plenty of legal wiretaps. They didn't need to come in with the SWAT team. If they played it by the book, Mr Dotcom would probably already have been extradited to the US.

    But instead it is horribly misplayed, and as a result there is a non-trivial chance that Dotcom will slip free with his millions intact.

    This is why law enforcement needs to actually follow the law.

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  7. I'm fond of Jacobin's article on the topic by royallthefourth · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Megaupload's Kim Dotcom, a willfully tacky fat guy with a baby face and a vanity license plate that says "guilty," has styled himself as a kind of comic villain, a composite of everything people love to hate. He effectively serves as empire's face of piracy: an overweight nouveau-riche wannabe hacker who finally gets his comeuppance through the macho justice of Uncle Sam. It's so easy to hate Kim Dotcom that you almost forget that the US convinced the New Zealand government to send in an assault brigade, bereft of a valid warrant but outfitted with automatic weapons and helicopters, to arrest a Finnish citizen at the demand of Hollywood studios. If Kim Dotcom didn't exist, the FBI, with the help of the MPAA, would have invented him."

    http://jacobinmag.com/2012/08/gimme-the-loot/

  8. Re:Still not over. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That term "Enemy Of The State" gives me the creeps.. I'm old enough to remember clearly the old USSR and all of the behavior that went on in that country during that time. That term, enemy of the state, was used a LOT back then.. When I hear *my* country using it, I become very upset. Of course, the US government could care less what one 62 year old Vietnam vet thinks.. Clearly it seems the USA is well on its way down the road to being a replay of the old USSR, without the Russian language..

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