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Starting Next Year, Brazil Wants To Track All Cars Electronically

New submitter juliohm writes "As of January, Brazil intends to put into action a new system that will track vehicles of all kinds via radio frequency chips. It will take a few years to accomplish, but authorities will eventually require all vehicles to have an electronic chip installed, which will match every car to its rightful owner. The chip will send the car's identification to antennas on highways and streets, soon to be spread all over the country. Eventually, it will be illegal to own a car without one. Besides real time monitoring of traffic conditions, authorities will be able to integrate all kinds of services, such as traffic tickets, licensing and annual taxes, automatic toll charge, and much more. Benefits also include more security, since the system will make it harder for thieves to run far away with stolen vehicles, much less leave the country with one."

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  1. The big brother society by ickleberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Marches on steady. Unstoppable and with an insatiable appetite for new technology

    1. Re:The big brother society by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And we, the technicians, geeks, engineers, and software architects of the world, greedily line up to offer suggestions on how best to feed that pernicious appetite out of either being forced into it simply to have food to eat, or for fame and fortune.

      The result is the same. We make the very chains they enslave us with, and happily forge ever more diabolical pleasures to satisfy big brother.

      Who made DRM? It wasn't a media executive. It was somebody in a cubicle. Think about that.

    2. Re:The big brother society by PRMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      I once told my boss that I would quit if he made me work on a spam engine. He finally gave the product to some of my co-workers, who gladly did it... :-(

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    3. Re:The big brother society by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would rather see us do what doctors in ancient greece did.

      Make an oath not to willfully cause harm, and internally enforce it. Call it whatever, but we need some form of morality in our profession, and willfully creating code we KNOW to be malicious is clearly immoral, regardless of what moral compas you choose to employ.

      Simple things, like "I will not create mass mailers for commercial uses", "I will not create personally identifiable tracking systems of any sort.", "I will not create nor enforce systems to hinder political speech of any kind.", "I will not willfully penetrate another computer system without permission, and will not create tools to do so either.", "I will not willingly install backdoors for spying, monitoring, or sabotage, for any agency, in any software or systems I create.", etc.

      It doesn't need to be religious, like 'i will only make open code' or anything. Just things we can unilaterally agree are clear misuses of technology. Kinda like doctors refusing to create bioweapons. That kind of thing.

    4. Re:The big brother society by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was no sane reason why NASA needed that information. They were just collecting it because they could. Because someone said, "well, we've got just about everything on these boys...

      I can think of one very good reason. To have a control sample to test against when they get back, to see what effects the low gravity/increased radiation had on them. Who knows, there might be gravity related issues with reproductive processes just like there are for bone and muscles.

      Or for later use, in case there was a radiation accident that would render them incapable of having children.

  2. Soon to be hacked by concealment · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I clone your MAC address, I decrypt your Wi-Fi, and I own your basic electronics already.

    Apply these relative basic skills and what do you have? A high-tech integrated system which can actually be used to conceal the identity of a vehicle behind a false identity, and charge up all sorts of services to the legitimate owner besides.

    1. Re:Soon to be hacked by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fine. Get that service if you want. That doesn't mean it should be shoved down our throats by the state under the guise of safety. Would you want a policeman in your house 24/7 to 'monitor' your 'well being'? No? Why not?

  3. wont stop thierves; crooks by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The "must be tagged" law will not prevent theft, and will not prevent other criminal activities.

    It does not prevent the criminals from disabling a tag, altering a tag, or replacing the tag.

    What the tracking system ultimately tracks are the tags. Not the vehicles.

    As such, removing the tags, and then transporting the vehicle under a different but "valid" tag would make an effective means of breaking this system.

    The real benefit to law enforcement/government is *NOT* combating criminals, it is tracking law abidding citizens.

    I would expect catch-22s like "we show your vehicle at the scene" in one case and "you can't prove that isn't a fake transponder being used to put you on the other side of the country" in another, with the difference being the desire of the prosecutor.

    (Eg, "iron-clad, irrefutable!" When used to show guilt, and "suspect, clearly a technological fabrication!" When used to assert innocense.)

    If anything, this masure will spawn a new form of criminal activity, buying, selling, and provisioning counterfiet/shady transponders.

  4. We already have this here in the US. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The big brother society ... Marches on steady. Unstoppable and with an insatiable appetite for new technology

    It also deploys very quietly these days. It's already up and running before people notice it's there.

    We already HAVE four federally mandated car trackers on all passenger cars (along with most other vehicles) since 2007.

    It's called a "Tire Pressure Monitoring System". It works by having (typically) a lithium-cell powered device in the valve stem on each wheel that transmits the tire pressure information along with a unique serial number (so your dashboard computer doesn't get confused by nearby cars). These can also be read by loops in the road.

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  5. Re:"Services" by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Traffic tickets are not a "service". A service implies that you actually get something useful in return.

    You assume that the service always has to be towards the subject. It doesn't. The police performs a service when it arrests a burglar, but the service isn't towards the burglar, it is towards the house owner. Traffic tickets are a service to the other participants of traffic, because by punishing undesireable behaviour they limit it.

    Yeah, we can talk all night about how reality sometimes differs and how speeding traps are often put not at the spots where speeding is dangerous but where they'll catch the most people, etc. etc. - that's implementation details.

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  6. How Brazil works by submain · · Score: 4, Informative

    Brasil is a communal society; we could care less for individual rights. Heck, if the entire country goes out on the streets naked every February, there is no need for individualism.

    That being said, it's really hard to enforce a law in Brasil, mostly because it is a matter of national pride to find a way around the rules. They can put as many transponders as they want, but if all the population gets are tickets, then even the dealerships will have an "unofficial" - official - system to remove the tags.

    The same thing happened with DVD players way back. Companies tried to force consumers to only get players for region 7. Except that, when you bought a DVD player, the salesman himself would write a code in a piece of paper that you could use to unlock all the regions.

    Of course, if the system is used properly, then people won't bother. They could care less if some random guy knows if they are going to churches or brothels.