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Nokia Keeps Quietly Mapping The World

LucidBeast writes "Mapping the world isn't easy as our friends in Cupertino have found out. Google's maps seem ubiquitous, but there is a less known real heavyweight still mapping the world. Nokia acquired Navteq in 2007, and five years later they are still reading fleet data and scanning cities with LIDAR and 360 degree cameras."

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  1. AAPL could buy NOK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That would solve their map problem.

    They can afford it.

    Everyone will be happy.

    But MSFT.

    1. Re:AAPL could buy NOK by MacDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember getting my N95 just before the first iPhone came out. It came installed with a map app that included directions and navigation. Then a software update removed navigation and made it a paid feature. I refused to update and decided I didn't want a Nokia after that.

      Nokia burned what good will they had with me. Apple is now doing the same thing to their users.

    2. Re:AAPL could buy NOK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Offline maps with directions and turn by turn navigation are now days free with Nokias. I use Nokia 701 for navigation when biking. Maps are amazingly accurate.

    3. Re:AAPL could buy NOK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Around the 5800, mapping, including directions and navigation, became free again.

      Then MS introduced their mole, and Nokia died. Everybody who was good left back then.

      What's left is everything you disliked about Nokia, led by the "spirit" of MS. (As in: On the very day where MS's probation officer for their last crime went away, they introduced that IE on the new Nokias could not be replaced, and you couldn't install any other browser [Like Opera]. *Again*)

      I loved Nokia... from the tiny 8210, over the first “full computer” smartphone 7650, those with the full keyboard like the 6822, the whole early N series, and of course the glorious N900. The 5800 was the first one I didn't like. Too Apple. Too dumbed-down. Too little freedom and power.

      But I *hate* everything about the MS Nokia "phones". It's like MS, as usually, imitated the worst parts of Apple, and then added their own FAIL (think Zune) to the mix. The worst of both.

      Why anyone likes that, is beyond me. I would need to receive so many electric shocks, I'd be physically incapable of not drooling all over myself, *and* become a real masochist, before I could even stand that.

      I'll continue to watch what that team that left Nokia is doing. I hope they're not ignoring the high-end market too much...

    4. Re:AAPL could buy NOK by Kenja · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your reports are flawed, Google wanted to brand the map app if it was going to include all the Google map features. Apple refused to let a Google logo tarnish the iPhone.

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  2. iOmess 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:iOmess 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I really wish people would stop focusing on the iOS 6 Maps fiasco. It's getting old.

      Plus, it's distracting from things like:

      * The music app is now buggy as all hell. I've had it play one song while saying it's playing another song. Not to mention it randomly forgetting where in a playlist it was, pausing randomly skipping back to the beginning of the song, and other general wonkiness.
      * If you had paused a podcast and receive a call, hanging up the call will suddenly start the podcast playing again. Surprise!
      * The podcast app can't update podcasts. You can tell it to - but it won't. The only way to get new episodes is to sync with iTunes.
      * Photo syncing is just hilariously broken. Rather than replacing existing photos, iTunes will just copy a new set on, leaving you with all the old photos as permanent "extra" storage. Solution: Do a factory reset. Hope you don't need any of your *other* data!
      * Just try and set an alarm to 2 o'clock.
      * Battery life is worse.
      * Apps are just generally slower - animation is noticeably "jerkier" in iOS 6.

      And I'm sure other iOS 6 users can expand on this. iOS 6 is just laughably bad - even if you completely ignore the maps!

    2. Re:iOmess 6 by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do you phrase all these great new features like they're problems?

      Signed,
      Apple Fanboy

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  3. Despite what you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A good friend of mine works in this department as a product manager; he has been there since they were NavTeq. You should take a look at Nokia's financials before busting out the "M$ evil" conspiracy theories. The navigation unit is the only part of the company that is profitable right now. They have excellent data (probably the best available, mention is halfway down the page) and they do a lot more with it than put it in phones. Basically, anybody who needs to have vetted data (ie, when salesmen need to tell clients that the data is better than what they can get online for free) to put in a product use Nokia maps. Many high-end cars with built in navigation are using them for example.

    The higher-ups at Nokia know this. They are trying to leverage this to position the company for growth. Their internal mantra is that "Google is what, Microsoft is who, and we are _where_". Hence, the publicity: this is the only bright spot for Nokia and they need to milk it. If you ask me, they are grasping at straws; but the I can see the logic.

  4. Re:What about websites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.mapquest.com

  5. Keeping up to date by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some cars have forward facing cameras already for lane keeping systems or lane departure warning. Some of these cameras can read signs and let you know if you're speeding, etc. Ultimately it may be the car companies who have the best maps which might be updated continuously by tens of millions of cars. Hmmm time for me to transfer to the driver assistance systems part of the company....

    This may also explain why Google wants driverless cars, so they can fully automate the data collection.

  6. Re:What about websites? by solanum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Offline maps. When I got rid of my Nokia N8 and bought a Samsung SIII, there were two things I missed, one is the camera (the N8's was far better in several ways), the other is the maps. With the Nokia you got offline maps for the entire world and the app itself was excellent (though it had teething problems to start with). Turn by turn directions that don't sound like a robot (I'm looking at you Google), were as good as or better than most commercial Sat Nav devices, accurate (looking at you Apple), regularly updated and, I'll say it again, offline maps! In Australia at least you can be quite often out of range of a decent data connection.

    The commercial Navigon app that I got bundled with my SIII is definitely inferior and you only get maps for Oceania, I have to buy the European/US ones if I need them.

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  7. Re:Not the only respectable ones by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TeleAtlas isn't to blame for most of the iPhone Maps app problems I've heard about. You can blame the map provider if a road is missing or mislabled, or an address is down the street, but that's about it.

    The failed searches and missing home/business locations are a matter of Apple's POI search system being horrible (something Google does well), which switching to NAVTEQ or any other map provider won't fix for them.

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  8. AAPL could buy TomTom by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AAPL could also buy TomTom, one of the main suppliers of maps for IOS6. According to TomTom, their data is fine, but the integration of their data and other sources seems to be causing Apples problems on IOS6. Nokia has the legacy weight of a phone division, while TomTom is barely making any hardware themselves these days and is only into maps and services related to that. At the current price point, TomTom would be far more interesting for AAPL than NOK would be.

    TomTom already has an extreme amount of experience in making map applications work on several platforms and they have a foot in the door with several car manufacturers that use TomTom data and applications on their on-board systems. This would give them an entrance in a market they currently are not in. How would you think "iTunes on your car" and "iOS apps on your car" would sound to most people? The first car to offer that would no doubt get a lot of publicity and sales, unless it was a true lemon. TomTom could very well be their entrance into that market and Nokia only has Navteq maps and a bunch of patents as a valuable asset. The patents are being sold off rapidly to fund the rest of the company, so the merit of that is rapidly diminishing. Putting a suffering phone division against the Navteq bit, you don't have a lot of value left I think.

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