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NASA Prepares For Space Surgery and Zero Gravity Blood

Hugh Pickens writes "Draining an infected abscess is a straightforward procedure on Earth but on a spaceship travelling to the moon or Mars, it could kill everyone on board. Now Rebecca Rosen writes that if humans are to one day go to Mars, one logistical hurdle that will need to be overcome is what to do if one of the crew members has a medical emergency and needs surgery. 'Based on statistical probability, there is a high likelihood of trauma or a medical emergency on a deep space mission,' says Carnegie Mellon professor James Antaki. It's not just a matter of whether you'll have the expertise on board to carry out such a task: Surgery in zero gravity presents its own set of potentially deadly complications because in zero gravity, blood and bodily fluids will not just stay put, in the body where they belong but could contaminate the entire cabin, threatening everybody on board. This week, NASA is testing a device known as the Aqueous Immersion Surgical System (AISS) that could possibly make space surgery possible. Designed by researchers at Carnegie Mellon and the University of Louisville, AISS is a domed box that can fit over a wound. When filled with a sterile saline solution, a water-tight seal is created that prevents fluids from escaping. It can also be used to collect blood for possible reuse."

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  1. Rotate the frakking spacecraft by mbone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The ability of humans to perform well on the surface of any planet after months of zero-g seems doubtful. Build the spacecraft big enough, and rotate it. Better yet, send two spacecraft, tether them together, and rotate both of them about their center of mass. It will solve a lot more problems than the relatively minor one of dealing with in-space surgery.

    1. Re:Rotate the frakking spacecraft by kurt555gs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why rotate. Nuclear powered spacecraft could simply keep accelerating at 1G until it was time to turn around and decelerate at 1G. Problem solves, and they would get there a lot quicker too.

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    2. Re:Rotate the frakking spacecraft by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) Moving the spinning thing is not a huge problem
      2) One solution - no windows. Or use cameras. Nuclear submariners do fine without windows. I bet they are better suited to space than pilots (so most of that NASA research into humans living in long term confined environments was probably a waste too - the nuclear submariners have been doing it for years).

      And at least research into building space stations/ships with artificial gravity is going to be more useful in the long run. You're not going to have humans long term in space sustainably - reproducing, living etc without artificial gravity.

      In contrast research into space surgery in zero g is a waste of time and resources- this and most zero g research is basically like researching into dealing with bad stuff because you keep doing things wrong in the first place.

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    3. Re:Rotate the frakking spacecraft by mbone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why rotate. Nuclear powered spacecraft could simply keep accelerating at 1G until it was time to turn around and decelerate at 1G. Problem solves, and they would get there a lot quicker too.

      Because we don't have anything like the energy density required to do that (at least for times longer than microseconds, i.e., nuclear bombs).

      Energy density drives the engineering here. If we had enough energy density, we could soup up ion rockets or use nuclear thermal and get to places very fast.

      Make or find a ton of antimatter or so, and let's talk.

    4. Re:Rotate the frakking spacecraft by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) Moving the spinning thing is not a huge problem

      The reason we haven't set up spinning habitats in space is because of weight.
      If you want something to spin, it must be strong. Strength means weight and weight means cost and the cost is prohibitively high or we'd have done it already.

      In contrast research into space surgery in zero g is a waste of time and resources- this and most zero g research is basically like researching into dealing with bad stuff because you keep doing things wrong in the first place.

      The human body keeps doing things wrong in the first place.
      Things like appendicitis, ingrown hairs/nails, wax build up in your ears, and a thousand other things that happen.
      How did this nonsense get modded up?

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  2. Take one for the team by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should launch more crew members than they need, with the assumption that the ones that require surgery en route will be chucked out the airlock.

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  3. Re:Are we on the wrong path? by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We dare not question the old paradigm of "wooden ships and iron men" because, well, drama.

    We need robots on Earth, and since every task in space is dangerous and since humans are a burden to support, there is no functional reason for the desperate rush to send people.

    We should perfect machines before sending tourists. We have time.

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  4. Re:centrifuge by TheLink · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's just stupid. They are wasting time and money doing research on crap like this when they should just spend it on building space stations with artificial gravity. You could do it with tethers and counterweights if you can't afford a huge space module.

    So much research on the "problems of doing things wrong". You cannot have a sustainable human population in space without artificial gravity, so such "zero gravity" research is niche and near dead end for long term space travel.

    Once you have artificial gravity and decent radiation shielding you can go to the asteroid belt which is a better choice than Mars since asteroids aren't huge gravity wells. It's not like Mars is a hospitable environment, so any talk of Mars is stupid at this point of time - it's like talking of jumping before you can even stand.

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  5. Yeah, that's right by fa2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    "My job is rocket surgery!"

  6. Re:Are we on the wrong path? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like deciding to have a baby. It's never the right time, you'll never have enough money... You just have to jump in with both feet at some point and say "fuck it" The entire point of what we do in space is to eventually send real people. We aren't going to get any better at that, until we send them. Will people die? You bet. There's nothing wrong with that. Many in this world long for the days when there were things you could still do that risked everything but rewarded the successful with glory unimagined in this day and age. Let those that dream of glory risk it all to better mankind. It's more immoral to chain them to this earth than let them reach for the stars on waxen wings.