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Apple Now Shipping Lightning To 30-Pin Adapters

hcs_$reboot writes "Apple has started shipping the iPhone 5 Lightning connector to 30-pin adapters. Some iPhone 5 owners complained about its new connector being incompatible with the previously well known 30 pin connectors (iPhone 4S and before, iPod, iPad, and chargers). From the article: 'Apple's accessories page shows the adapter as available to ship in October, while one MacRumors reader said the e-mail notice pointed to a delivery day of October 9.'"

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  1. Lockin by Mikkeles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, that's one way to make money - gratuitous changes which you charge to fix.

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    1. Re:Lockin by Brad1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why the hell couldn't they go with Micro-USB like everyone else?

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    2. Re:Lockin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not only that, but they've made it difficult to clone. Apparently all those cheap aftermarket accessories without the Apple Tax added on were really pissing off the management at Apple.

    3. Re:Lockin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because that is not proprietary and cannot be used to extract license fees from accessory makers

    4. Re:Lockin by errxn · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm $ure there'$ a perfectly good rea$on for them not to u$e a $tandard U$B connector format, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it i$. Anybody?

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    5. Re:Lockin by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Massive missed opportunity... if Apple had gone for USB on the iPhone 5, it would have escaped the "minor upgrade" zone. Ah well, Cook is an operations guy, not a visionary. A bit late now.

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    6. Re:Lockin by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone here is talking about licence fees, but I don't think that's it. I think they want to maintain segregation of the accessories market. The iPhone is a very expensive phone, even for it's (quite impressive) specifications - success depends upon being seen not just as 'another phone' to compete with all those much cheaper models by other manufacturers, but as a whole class in itsself. A distinction much easier to maintain if the iPhone can't even plug into accessories made for 'common' brands, and vice versa. The last thing Apple wants is for their customers to realise that a high-end android phone can do very nearly everything an iPhone can, but at less than half the price.

    7. Re:Lockin by Revotron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the MicroUSB connectors are ridiculously flimsy and prone to failure by mechanical stress?

      Seriously, they are. I've gone through a handful of MicroUSB phone chargers trying to find the one that fits just right in my Android phone with a MicroUSB charging port. Bump the phone ever so slightly and the battery stops charging. And before you say "get a new phone", it's happened before on other phones. It does this because MicroUSB is terribly designed and terribly built. Maybe Apple wanted something that would actually stand the test of time. I have an iPod and various iPod cables from 6 years ago that still make a perfect connection despite thousands of insertions.

    8. Re:Lockin by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why the hell couldn't they go with Micro-USB like everyone else?

      Because MicroUSB is a terrible connector. They already had a proprietary connector and just swapped it for another type with the function they wanted.

      I know MicroUSB has features that allow it to adapt and output HDMI, or analog audio etc, but Apple wanted a more adaptable (although obviously proprietary) connector. I'm going to assume that one of the biggest points on the checklist was "support for more current and/or voltage than USB" since the connector is designed for all iOS devices and the current generation iPad is already struggling with the meagre amount they can push over USB (even when already exceeding the original 500 mA limit).

      Back on topic, I will not be the first to say, but how is this news? It's an adapter that is now shipping. Other than another chance for some page hits and ad revenue I'd hardly qualify this as something the public really needs to know. Anyone who has one on order has been emailed that their adapter has shipped, surely?

    9. Re:Lockin by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the hell do we have to go over the technology of the connector every time it comes up in an article?
      http://techpinions.com/why-apple-couldnt-go-to-micro-usb-charging/10212
      Now don't ask again. Jesus.

      Blasphemy rarely helps with creating a compelling argument. The article you have linked to suggests a gain of 10% in charge time as the reason for choosing an incompatible standard. That is not a significant reason for not accepting the industry standard...and the ethical one.

    10. Re:Lockin by Paradigm_Complex · · Score: 2

      Oddly enough, Micro-USB was specifically designed with the exact complaint you have in mind. While it is smaller than the Mini-USB it replaced, that was secondary to its main purpose, which was to improve durability. Not only is it supposed to be more durable in terms of the number of times it can be inserted/removed, but it is also designed such that, when it fails, the (most likely cheaper) cord will be the part to break rather than the (most likely more expensive) device. I'd cite a source but I can't pick which one - look up any documentation on Micro-USB and you'll read the same thing.

      For what it is worth, in my personal experience, I have not seen any such issues with Micro-USB. The only times I can recall in which I've seen them fail have been because the cord itself - well away from the connector - was damaged, such as by a wheeled chair rolling over them. However, I have seen a number of the just replaced Apple connectors causing issues. For example, this summer, I've seen an iPod where the connection on the device - not the cord - was bent to one side so that the cord-side connector would not fit in. Mind you this wasn't so terrible - I repaired it with a thin knife and a careful hand - but still, in my personal experience, the old Apple connector has a significantly worse record than the Micro-USB.

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    11. Re:Lockin by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At first, I was annoyed at the new connector (though I doubt I'll have any need to use it for a while, and when I do, I have practically no accessories to replace). It seemed to be a remarkable waste of engineering for something that could have just been standardized.

      Now that I know more about the connector, I'm genuinely hoping that Apple miraculously opens up to the world and Lightning becomes the new standard. It's reversible, adaptable, sturdy (at least it appears to be), and smaller than the 30-pin connector. iFixit had an interesting perspective (that I'm too lazy to look up) that the smaller connector allowed more components to fit in the bottom of the new and slimmer iPhone.

      I like the idea of adaptable connectors. Not just where you ground a certain pin to toggle the function of another pin, but where the cable and device actively communicate to negotiate what features are available on what pins.

      Since my dream of Apple playing nice with others is probably impossible, are there any other well-defined connectors (preferably without patents) out there that offer the same (or even similar) amounts of adaptability?

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    12. Re:Lockin by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man, we could really use a lowercase $ for posts like that...

    13. Re:Lockin by DrEasy · · Score: 2

      Just in time for the latest XKCD! http://xkcd.com/1118/

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    14. Re:Lockin by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have never broken a laptop connector in my life, and I'm fairly rough with my gear. What do you Macboys do, swing them over your heads??

      I have also never broken a USB port in my life. My Motorola RAZR V3i, which I've had since 2004, still has its original connector, which it still charges through (and the battery, which is also original hence eight years old, outlasts an iPhone battery by something like a week). What do you Macboys do to warrant such necessity in design as locking wide connectors? Play the things like yo-yos?

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  2. Re:Why does Apple use its own connectors? by Brad1138 · · Score: 2

    Why they use their own connectors instead of the industry standard micro-usb?

    There, fixed that for you.

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  3. Money Grab? by gonzo_ks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this anything but a money grab??

    1. Re:Money Grab? by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you mean why change the dock adapter in the first place? Well, that's been done to death and it had to happen sometime. The old one still had pins for Firewire data and power - no iOS device has shipped with a firewire controller for almost 5 years!

      Wasn't firewire that standard that Apple chose for its machines over USB...and Apple users claimed was better than USB.

      No, they never claimed it was "better than USB" nor did they choose it "over USB" - they promoted both ports equally for what they were good at. USB was great for low bandwidth, hot pluggable devices like consumer scanners, printers, mice, card readers etc and Firewire was great for high bandwidth, low latency applications like hard drives, digital video, external sound cards etc. It's why all Macs at the time (and most to this day, less the Air and retina MBP) ship with both USB and Firewire ports side by side.

      For those applications it was better than USB (at the time mostly USB 1 speed), but for the other applications like mice, keyboards, printers etc USB was much better. Even when USB was upgraded to 480 Mbs it was still inferior in practice to even the theoretically slower Firewire 400 due to the heavy CPU overhead of the USB protocol.

      Removing the controller chip for Firewire from the iPod (and subsequently never including it in the iPhone etc) was purely a cost/benefit ratio - they did it at the same time they launched the iPod on Windows and at the time there was almost no penetration of Firewire on Windows machines so it was cheaper to just leave the controller chip out. You could still charge those early iPods on Firewire - and it was faster, since you could do 18 volts at about 7 watts, way more than USB, but eventually they also took that out of the newer models too. The pins have been wasted ever since, with some models using them for newer protocols but there's always the danger that someone *could* plug in an old Firewire>30 pin dock connector which has a +18V line and data pins, so the device has to be able to handle that and protect itself. Apple knew eventually that they would need to change the connector to something more modern.

  4. Re:Micro USB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think different. Spend more. Be cool.

    Apple fans are the only crowd that think Monster brand cables are too cheap.

  5. Ligntning is superior mechanically by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I own a bunch of micro-USB devices and I think that connector blows, at least mechanically. It's keyed, so it requires a specific orientation, and it's small so it's hard to differentiate the orientation, especially once presbyopia sets in.

    The lightning connector has no specific orientation and I find it much easier to connect, especially in the dark.

    The jury's out on whether or not there's any technical advantage to lightning over micro-USB as a connector or connector protocol. I'm in the camp that says 30 pin had to go and lightning is a welcome change, but even as an iPhone fan I'm not convinced there isn't some profit motive behind all of this, especially all the restrictions and apparent secrecy surrounding the device and adapters.

    1. Re:Ligntning is superior mechanically by Necroman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That can still be ambiguous. Sure, after using it for a bit, users would learn by feel which way is the right way. But how do you know which way connector should go into the device without trial and error?

      There may be an arrow on the device to help you align it, but that's still only part-way there (especially with how many people put their mobile devices in cases).

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  6. Re:Micro USB? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    A much weaker argument now. The Lightning connector has fewer pins, which means that many of those additional capabilities are gone.Including HDMI output. Another feature sacrificed in Apple's quest for thinness. Like corporate annorexia.

  7. Re:Why? by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is this news? The people who want the adapter have already ordered one, and they already received an email stating their adapter has been shipped. Is this just another excuse to rag on Apple for not going micro-USB (as if anyone anywhere thought they actually would)?

    (Personally, I find the lack of standardized cables mildly annoying. However, I'm backward--I wish everyone would move to lightning cables, not micro-USB. Lightning is just nicer to use: it plugs in quicker without having to look, and you don't have to worry about orientation. Sadly, Apple will never work to make it a standard.)

    See how you tried to spin that. Personally I think this is another minor Apple advertisement that we are constantly subjected to. I personally find it appalling that Apple have not followed the spirit of the EU directive, but then I'm not interested in defending them.

    However I'm not biased--I wish companies would follow open standards...and work with others to improve and refine them. Rather than use their market share to create propriety, closed standards like Sony of old. Sadly Apple have no interest in working with others only taking them to court.

  8. Lightning, not Maps, is the iPhone 5's big problem by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I support the change to the lightning connector for the most part -- it's a mechanically superior connector to 30 pin and to micro-USB (which keyed and difficult to orient in low-light conditions due to its size).

    But I think Apple really fucked up when it came to the lightning connector in terms of third party accessory availability, adapter availability and adapter functionality.

    First of all, it should have been rolled out with the iPad 3 first. iPad physical connectivity and portability is less common and it would have given developers lead time to get all kinds of accessories ready for iPhone 5.

    On the day that the phone was rolled out Apple should have had a 30 pin adapter available that replicated all thirty pin functionality outside of video. There's just no excuse for a delay of nearly a month for Apple-supplied adapters to an Apple-designed interface. They also should have had a lightning-HDMI adapter available (AFAIK, no HDMI interface is even announced let alone available).

    My understanding is that the 30 pin adapter they are selling provides analog audio but not iPod control -- why is that? Either iPod control isn't available over lightning at all or there must be some other good reason the adapter couldn't provide it. The lack of iPod control breaks a huge amount of functionality in things that aren't easily swapped out (ie, cars).

    Furthermore, Apple should have begun sharing Lightning technical info and approving designs with third parties so that they could have had devices ready for roll out. This whole "secret development" and the dog-and-pony introduction event has kind of run its course in many ways and keeping the interface a secret from partners really doesn't accomplish much except punish users.

    It remains to be seen whether Apple will realize that a more restrictive adapter and strangleholds on the technology and licensing of it actually hurts them and the ecosystem more than it helps. Part of me wonders how much of this is pure profiteering on Apple's part (IMHO, that's too simple) but part of me also thinks that some of this is a desire to manage DRM and other types of control by restricting who can make a cable and what it can do.

    If there aren't a lot of third party products, adapters, etc out before Christmas (ie, Thanksgiving...) this might be a kind of "Waterloo" for Apple.

  9. Mechanical improvement by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm $ure there'$ a perfectly good rea$on for them not to u$e a $tandard U$B connector format, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it i$. Anybody?

    The real advantages to mini and micro-USB is that they are pretty much ubiquitous and relatively cheap - which are some big advantages. However the various USB connectors are kind of a crappy connectors from a mechanical standpoint. It is keyed in such a way that it isn't immediately obvious which way is the correct way to insert it without looking carefully or by trial and error. Also the mini and micro USB connectors themselves tend to be rather poorly made and need lots of external structural support. I've broken several and I'm not hard on my gear. My company manufactures some products that use them and IMO they aren't well designed mechanically. I don't love the lightning connector but from a pure mechanical design standpoint the lightning connector is better. Electrically and financially and socially I see no advantage to the new connector to most of us.

    1. Re:Mechanical improvement by Tarlus · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but micro USB chargers are so common and inexpensive that you could pick one up at a gas station for like $5 if needed.

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    2. Re:Mechanical improvement by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am very hard on my gear - my Droid X I dropped 6-7 times (twice in the water) never once did that Micro-USB connector ever fail to work properly. When I got rid of the phone it was covered in scratches and chips.

      My GF's iPhone however - the connector housing developed a crack and began to fall apart.

      I don't buy that Micro-USB is flimsy.

    3. Re:Mechanical improvement by cHiphead · · Score: 2

      I've had several Apple connectors fail over the years, never had a mini-USB connector break and only had 1 micro-USB connector bend but not break. I do feel like the house of micro-USB is weaker compared to mini-USB but have not had much in the way of real world issues with either of the connector types.

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    4. Re:Mechanical improvement by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      If Apple was remotely interested in sturdy connectors they'd put a proper strain relief on the cables they sell. This is all about lock-in and licencing.

    5. Re:Mechanical improvement by sjbe · · Score: 2

      I don't buy that Micro-USB is flimsy.

      Then don't buy it. However I run a company that builds the things. I'm not talking about 10 of them or personal experience, I'm talking about my experience with thousands of them. The socket end of the connection is usually the more problematic end in my experience. The ones we deal with require significant potting or other packaging to be robust. Insertions are typically a bit on the finicky side and we've seen more than a few snapped plug ends. It isn't a horrible connector but it could have been a lot more robustly designed. From a pure mechanical standpoint the design of the lightning connector looks to me to be more robust. Time will tell but I've got a warehouse of connectors to compare with. It's certainly easier to insert. I don't really know why USB was designed as a keyed connection (cost most likely) but I think that was a stupid choice that forced some mechanical compromises. USB was designed to be cheap and it is and it shows.

  10. Re:Why? by papasui · · Score: 2

    So a different opinion than yours is an advertisement for Apple? Lightning (in my opinion, no spin added) is a nicer connector as far as plugging things in are concerned vs micro usb. Ever fumble around trying to plug a android phone in the dark? I have because I have both an HTC Desire (loaded with cyangenmod) and a iPhone 5. So is that worth skipping usb for? Jury's out. As far as which phone I happen to prefer, well I find myself using my iPhone more but then I'm not a real geek since I've only been using linux since Slackware 3. In short, acting like your defending your girlfriend's honor over any critcism of a product is pretty fucking lame. Appreciate tech for what it is, not a religious experience.

  11. Re:Why? by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this news?

    Because it's an opportunity for the hourly Two Minute Hate.