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Apple Quietly Releases New iPods

redletterdave writes "At the company's media event last month, Apple introduced its fifth-generation iPod Touch and seventh-generation iPod Nano, but only mentioned an October timeframe for when it would start filling pre-orders. Without an official word, it looks like the official launch day for the new iPods is today. Apple Stores around the country are currently stocked with the new iPods and customers who pre-ordered are finally receiving email notifications that their orders have shipped, or are 'preparing to ship.' Still, it is interesting to note that Apple didn't make a special announcement or even post a press release to announce the launch of its newest media players, especially as the competition heats up before the holiday season."

153 comments

  1. The didn't make an announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They didn't make a special announcement, because there is nothing special about the product

    1. Re:The didn't make an announcement by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Funny

      They didn't make a special announcement, because there is nothing special about the product

      But apparently Slashdot thinks otherwise
       
      Slashdot will pick up anything from Apple, including "quiet release"
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
       
       
       
       
       
       

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    2. Re:The didn't make an announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot will pick up anything from Apple, including "quiet release"

      Quiet release sounds like what an Apple fanboy does after he finds out his iPod preorder shipped.

    3. Re:The didn't make an announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only because Mom can hear everything through the heating ducts. The loud stuff is reserved for the Apple Store.

    4. Re:The didn't make an announcement by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      ...because there is nothing special about the product

      Pretty much true, up to a point. I have owned 2 iPods, of which the second, one of the now ageing 6G 160GB models looks good for a few years yet, and I quite like the fact that the independent device isn't draining the battery of my phone. In its defence, I would claim that as a standalone music player (and certainly as an audiobook player), the machine was pretty much ideal for its purpose for the couple of years I was using a hand-me-down MacBook as my primary computer.

      Unfortunately, the experience is soured by Apple's predatory lock-in approach with iTunes and DRM, since I have returned to Linux as my primary OS. While most of the content I use is ripped from CDs (and is therefore DRM-free), the bulk of my audiobooks (available only from Audible) are a PITA to transfer to other platforms However, that doesn't mean I won't make the effort. If (rather, when) my current iPod breaks, I won't bother replacing it, I'll just use my phone.

  2. quietly? by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm, they had a huge event where they unveiled new iphones and ipods. what is quiet about it? the release date I guess? regardless, they're here now. I've got a new ipod touch on order, so I should be getting it soon. the price went up - $299. I wonder how the price of the ipad mini will compare to this?

    1. Re:quietly? by csumpi · · Score: 1

      """ I wonder how the price of the ipad mini will compare to this? """

      It doesn't matter. You'll buy it no matter what it costs.

    2. Re:quietly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, they planted an article on /. about it.

    3. Re:quietly? by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      They increased the storage by a lot - previous generation's low-end model remains at the lowest price point. So $299 will presumably get you either a music player/PDA with lots of storage, or a 7.85" tablet with some storage.

    4. Re:quietly? by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      It's quite in the sense I do not ever remember them specifying a date for the ipod like they did the iPhone.

  3. "the competition heats up..." by grouchomarxist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    eh? in media players? what competition?

    1. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 0

      Look at what is on offer in Japan or South Korea... Just because American's drank the Kool-Aid doesn't mean everyone else has.

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    2. Re:"the competition heats up..." by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2

      I don't know about where you live, but lots of newer cars in the US have iPod-only hookups. Most that aren't player-specific (either aux or USB) have lots of features that aren't available on an Aux jack only, like controlling the iPod from the steering wheel or dash.

    3. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen a non-iPod media player here in France in years. Germany either.

    4. Re:"the competition heats up..." by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    5. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      eh? in media players? what competition?

      The competition is not from other dedicated PMPs, but from Android phones. Why buy an ipod when you can get one of the cheap-ass androids for the same price.

      (I know, I know, joggers etc like a small light PMP, but its a vanishing market)

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    6. Re:"the competition heats up..." by grouchomarxist · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is definitely competition out there, but it is minimal. If you check out Amazon's Japan best seller page for portable media players you get:

      http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/electronics/140474011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_3371411

      The top 3 items are Apple iPod touch. 9 out of the top 10 items are from Apple. 17 of the top 20.

      In any case, part of my point is not Apple's dominance, but the lack of anything much happening in this market.

    7. Re:"the competition heats up..." by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      yeah, but my comment was about dedicated media players. there is very little happening here. no "heat" to be found.

    8. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hi there. I've lived in Japan (Nakano, Tokyo) for the past 15 years, the Apple craze has really hit hard in the last 2. iPhones and iPods now totally dominate. We drank the Kool-Aid.

    9. Re:"the competition heats up..." by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (I know, I know, joggers etc like a small light PMP, but its a vanishing market)

      People aren't jogging any more?

      Of course the iPod Touch is part of the iPod line. And it allows people access to the iOS App Store for much less money than an iPhone.

    10. Re:"the competition heats up..." by puto · · Score: 1, Informative

      If they are using the new port then they will be just like the new Iphones, the built in controls in the car will not be able to control the device... So all of those features are moot, because they will not work.

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    11. Re:"the competition heats up..." by FreakyGeeky · · Score: 4, Informative

      What are you talking about? They'll work just fine. My iPhone 5 works perfectly in my 2011 Nissan.

    12. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The feature that doesn't work is "ipod out" which is a clone of the iphone screen on the in-dash display. Every other feature works. Everything else works.

    13. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      People aren't jogging any more?

      Of course people are jogging & all the other things that a very small / light media player is good for. But the market for small / light players is vanishing because the number of joggers etc willing to get a dedicated player as well as a smartphone is shrinking.

      Of course the iPod Touch is part of the iPod line. And it allows people access to the iOS App Store for much less money than an iPhone.

      Yes, as I said in another post, one of the biggest competitors to the iPod is the iPhone. For those who are cost-conscious, android beckons.

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    14. Re:"the competition heats up..." by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      eh? in media players? what competition?

      Well, Sandisk is probably the biggest competitor, for a few obvious reasons (no software required, but it also means no software to sync music).

      But Android PMPs would be the biggest competitor. Not ones like Archos which are out there but generally low-quality, but Sony and Samsung have Android PMPs. The biggest drawback though, is that they run Gingerbread (they both have 2012 copyright dates too - imagine buying a brand new Android device and getting an outdated OS with no announcement if you're getting ICS (nevermind JB)).

      These Androids will have full access to the Play store, so they're not using Appslib or other custom store crap.

    15. Re:"the competition heats up..." by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Nah you just buy the adapter doodad and move on. Everything works as expected.

    16. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy shit you're a clueless shut in

    17. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen a non-phone, non-tablet media player in years either.

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    18. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      holy shit you're a clueless shut in

      Considering that phone shops everywhere sell... wait for it... armband-style phone holders specifically for outdoor/sports activities, I'd guess that you should stop looking in the mirror while you post, as it seems to confuse you quite a lot.

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    19. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      holy shit you're a clueless shut in

      Considering that phone shops everywhere sell... wait for it... armband-style phone holders specifically for outdoor/sports activities, I'd guess that you should stop looking in the mirror while you post, as it seems to confuse you quite a lot.

      Yeah, people would want to jog around with the ever increasingly sized smartphones strapped to their wrists.

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    20. Re:"the competition heats up..." by csumpi · · Score: 2

      That is complete BS.

      You can hook up an iPod to my Honda, but it also takes USB drives, anything over Bluetooth and for last resort there is the aux port. My previous Honda did the same. So iPod only, is far from the truth.

    21. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen a non-phone, non-tablet media player in years either.

      Do you go to the gym regularly? Half the Aerobics nuts in my gym have an iPod Nano or Shuffle lashed to their upper arm.

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    22. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Cimexus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Joggers and people at the gym, my friend.

      I have an iPhone and it has my music library on it. I use it regularly - on the bus, on the train, in the car etc. However my iPod Nano still gets pulled out every time I go running because:

      a) it is much smaller and lighter than an iPhone; and
      b) if it falls out of my pocket and smashes into a million pieces on the pavement, I've lost a $99 device rather than a $899 device.

    23. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On a wifi connection you can use the iPod touch as a phone as well, which I think is perfect for wandering middle-schoolers. My kid had a little flip phone for a couple years and in two weeks he's made more calls from his iPod.

    24. Re:"the competition heats up..." by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Of course people are jogging & all the other things that a very small / light media player is good for. But the market for small / light players is vanishing because the number of joggers etc willing to get a dedicated player as well as a smartphone is shrinking.

      How do you know? There are reasons to do so. There's the weight of a phone. Especially with those large Androids. Do joggers really want that strapped to their arm or waist? Then there's what happens when the device gets dropped. A light dedicated MP3 player is more likely to survive. And if it doesn't is far cheaper to replace, and causes less inconvenience in the meantime.

      For those who are cost-conscious, android beckons.

      Sure. But for those that are cost conscious AND want the popular Apps, iPod Touch is a good answer for many people.

    25. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until GPS is added to the iPod Touch, Nano, Shuffle then many runners such as myself will use a phone.

    26. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      The new iPod nano has a built-in pedometer, so we're a step in the right direction. Now, if they give it the capability to measure bicycling statistics, I will be all over it.

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    27. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well said Apple employee.

    28. Re:"the competition heats up..." by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      But the market for small / light players is vanishing because the number of joggers etc willing to get a dedicated player as well as a smartphone is shrinking.

      I actually don't see what you're observing.

      I rarely see anyone that is jogging, or at the gym with a large format player (phone, ipod touch)...since they are bulky, and you don't want to drop/break/forget something that $$$, so most people I see have something that is small and clips on like the nano or the shuffle type player.

      The exception I do find...is biking outdoors...you do see more phones or the other large format ones...due to the gps tracking and all the apps for that on there....but when riding, you can attach to bike or your pack you have strapped onto you....things you don't generally have when just walking/jogging...or in the confines of the gym.

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    29. Re:"the competition heats up..." by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      holy shit you're a clueless shut in

      Considering that phone shops everywhere sell... wait for it... armband-style phone holders specifically for outdoor/sports activities, I'd guess that you should stop looking in the mirror while you post, as it seems to confuse you quite a lot.

      Yeah, people would want to jog around with the ever increasingly sized smartphones strapped to their wrists.

      I'm sorry, you seem to have used the conditional mood where you intended the indicative...? B^)

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    30. Re:"the competition heats up..." by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      I have a Honda as well, and I know the quite significant limitations that USB flash drives have compared to an iPod.

    31. Re:"the competition heats up..." by csumpi · · Score: 1

      My $9 USB drive works perfectly in the car. I don't see any limitations. Other than it doesn't have the apple logo or $299 price tag.

    32. Re:"the competition heats up..." by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      It has no sorting capabilities beyond using premade playlists, for starters.

  4. It was already announced. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

    It's just shipping. What's the big deal about shipping...?

    1. Re:It was already announced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just shipping. What's the big deal about shipping...?

      You can buy it now.

    2. Re:It was already announced. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess the difference is whether you want to use the device to listen to music, or if you're ok with just looking at pictures of it.

    3. Re:It was already announced. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You could buy it weeks ago, it just gets shipped now.

    4. Re:It was already announced. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      I guess I should be more clear - does that really merit front page on slashdot?

    5. Re:It was already announced. by Gertlex · · Score: 1

      I see where you're coming from (imaginary slashdot full of news for nerds and stuff that matters)...

      What about when the Surface comes out at the end of this month? The Surface Pro?

      Just curious if your opinion differs for products with release dates further removed from announcement.

    6. Re:It was already announced. by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      You could buy it weeks ago, it just gets shipped now.

      For normal people, the point of "buying" means you now have something and you can use it immediately. For Apple customers, the point of "buying" is giving money to Apple. The actual shipping is irrelevant.

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    7. Re:It was already announced. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      So when I buy something online, it don't really buy it until it arrives at my door a few days later? I thought I bought it when I gave the company my money and they issued me receipt.

      Someone better inform the inland revenue department in my country since they count it as the issuing of an invoice or the exchange of money.

    8. Re:It was already announced. by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      You mean Microsoft Surface? Who the hell is going to buy a big-ass table online? Can you imagine the shipping cost?

    9. Re:It was already announced. by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      Actually, many companies don't charge you until the item has shipped. Amazon doesn't. Neither does Apple.

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    10. Re:It was already announced. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      But they sure as well will charge you before it arrives at your door.

  5. Announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course they won't make any, they want people to buy the more expensive iphone5, as it can do everything the ipod does and more.

  6. User quietly buys... by dohzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...non-iPod media player of equal storage and superior features for third of iPod price.

    1. Re:User quietly buys... by collet · · Score: 1

      I did, I bought a little Philips thing expecting a piece of shit but instead I got FLAC support and a seemingly infinite battery life. I spend the money I saved on fancy headphones.

    2. Re:User quietly buys... by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'm unsure why this is marked flamebait (but have a suspicion). I just did the same, picking up a Sansa Clip Zip. It plays all formats, can run RockBox, has a standard (MicroUSB) connector, has expandable storage (MicroSD), and is quite inexpensive. My older Sansa e260 won't last forever, and I figured I'd better get one while they're still available.

  7. 10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the specs on Apples page:

    Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

    Really? What would cause this. This means it can't be used in places like Leadville, CO for example. Is this some sleazy warranty trick? Granted, this is the same for the 4th generation but I don't understand why any media player would be limited to 10,000 feet.

    1. Re:10,000 feet limitation by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      From the specs on Apples page:

      Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

      Really? What would cause this. This means it can't be used in places like Leadville, CO for example. Is this some sleazy warranty trick? Granted, this is the same for the 4th generation but I don't understand why any media player would be limited to 10,000 feet.

      Magic Pixie dust doesn't work well at low atmospheric pressures. Want proof? How many iPhones / iPods are on Mars?

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    2. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably air pressure and/or density for models with spinning hard drives. Hard drives rely on a thin film of air to float the head the correct distance above the platter, and won't work if the air's too thin.

      I don't think it would apply to an iPod but another option is arcing from a high-voltage component (such as a fluorescent backlight), which is also sensitive to air pressure.

    3. Re:10,000 feet limitation by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Both of which, the iPods have none of. Its most likely the lithium ion batteries.

    4. Re:10,000 feet limitation by sidthegeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, the altitude might be affecting the Reality Distortion Field...

    5. Re:10,000 feet limitation by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      Perhaps it is a leftover spec from when they did have spinny hard drives....

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    6. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having taken an iPhone 3GS to the summit of Everest, it's utter nonsense and is more likely related to the specifications from a component supplier and their warranty issues.

    7. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in La Paz in Bolivia for a year. Elevation 12,000 feet. People have computers and iPhones and so on. They work fine.

    8. Re:10,000 feet limitation by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Or perhaps the lithium ion batteries I already mentioned, as they must be pressure tested to meet safety standards, and 10,000 feet is a standard pressure, since passenger aircraft cabins are pressurised to 8,000 feet. Atmospheric pressure changes can deform the cells leading to shorts which turn into fires.

    9. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      From the specs on Apples page:

      Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

      Really? What would cause this.

      The reason is that until a few years ago all companies gave information like this, and nowadays they only tell you about it when they want to refuse you warranty repairs, while Apple will still tell you up front.

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    10. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Random2 · · Score: 2

      Heard of Verification and Validation?

      Basically, when a company makes a claim, it has to have the claim proven by a series of tests. Some of them can be trivial (is it green? Yes, it is green), but others may not be as trivial. For example, battery life. What is the use case for the battery? Is it in sleep mode, is random noise coming out of the speakers (random noise having a different average power draw than a sine wave or 'music'). You get the picture.

      So, there's some component in the iPod that either specifies an altitude, or it could've been part of a drop test, perhaps EM ratings (seems the most reasonable to me, altitude differences can affect air resistance), or something else.

      However, it's not likely a sleazy warranty trick; rather they're being specific about what they claim so they can't be sued over something trivial later.

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    11. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think the surprise is that it's claimed to be the "maximum",
      but it's only tested at a standard 10k foot, and not tested
      until a maximum is found by some threshold of performance
      loss or shortened lifetime.

    12. Re:10,000 feet limitation by RDW · · Score: 1

      Having taken an iPhone 3GS to the summit of Everest...

      Good signal?

    13. Re:10,000 feet limitation by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

      Really? What would cause this.

      Well, it's due to the fact that there is two measurement systems in the world today. There's metric and there's imperial, which works by making ambiguous associations with tangible objects.

    14. Re:10,000 feet limitation by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      I really don't know
      why some people write
      their comments on multiple
      lines but it's really
      annoying.

      Refrigerator.

    15. Re:10,000 feet limitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean paragraphs? What's your problem with paragraphs?

    16. Re:10,000 feet limitation by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      How the hell is a forced line break a paragraph?

  8. Huh. by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple Quietly Releases New iPods

    Not quietly enough, obviously...

    (I kid, I kid!)

    1. Re:Huh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iKid.

      Soon to be released at your nearest pussy. The announcement will be kinda quiet too.

    2. Re:Huh. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No it won't. The iKid will scream, as will the owner of the pussy

  9. Competition by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Still, it is interesting to note that Apple didn't make a special announcement or even post a press release to announce the launch of its newest media players, especially as the competition heats up before the holiday season.

    Care to elaborate on that? Do you mean the competition between the various Apple players? Or are you suggesting there are other serious players in this market?

    1. Re:Competition by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the competition between the various Apple players?

      The biggest competitor to iPods produced by Apple is not another iPod, but the iPhone. Nearly everyone carries a phone, why carry two devices?

      More importantly from Apple's POV is the competition from low end android phones. They're the same price as even the cheapest iPods, and offer a whole fuck-ton more functionality to boot.

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    2. Re:Competition by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      Even low-end Android phones require high monthly fees from the carriers. Anyone seeing any phone as a competitor to the iPod touch is in a reality distortion field himself.

  10. Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by Scowler · · Score: 1

    I'm not seeing how adding video will help this product. It's a little "over-featured" and "over-priced" to be successful, in my opinion.

    1. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by jfengel · · Score: 2

      Personally, I was very disappointed at the removal of video from the Nano. I used it on rare occasions, like airplane flights, on my 3rd gen Nano. When it died I got a 6, and was shocked at how crippled the 6 was. I returned it and found myself a 5th gen Nano (which actually cost more) and am very happy with it.

    2. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      If $149 is too much there's still the iPod Shuffle for $49.

    3. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by Seumas · · Score: 1

      They need to finally ship a new iPod CLASSIC that has something bigger than a dinky fucking 150gb drive. I've been waiting YEARS for this.

    4. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      While it'd be nice to have your entire collection in the highest quality on an iPod, I doubt there's much market for it.

      My music collection, which is large enough that it shocks everyone I've shown it to, is currently 189 GB. Yes, I know there are people with larger collections. Yourself, obviously. But you're in "the 1%".

      Now, about a quarter of my collection is FLAC (rest MP3/AAC/Vorbis) - and the average bit rate across the entire collection is 382 kbps. 17,481 tracks, seven solid weeks of playtime.

      For a portable player, I've got no issue compressing down to ~130 kbps AAC... which is 34% of the size. The total size of my collection at that bit rate would be 64 GB - I wouldn't have even hit the halfway point in terms of capacity.

      The market of people who even have enough data to fill one of these things up is small. The market for people who have the library, and would actually want to carry it all in their pocket, at all times - is even smaller. And those people likely have got a portable 500 GB drive already.

      I wouldn't bet on seeing higher-capacity PMPs for years to come, when the price on storage has come down further.

    5. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      That or lower the price of the current model a bit. I'm surprised its still around as it is now the sole iPod remaining with the dock connector.

    6. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      Only Apple could go from a video-recording device, to one that can't even play video, to one that can at least play video. It's a completely twisted, backwards upgrade path.

      At least the iPod touch got an IPS display this time around.

    7. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an issue with re-encoding my entire collection just to cram it onto a device.

    8. Re:Yet another re-invention of the iPod Nano by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      It has a built-in pedometer. That's what interests me.

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  11. Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 0

    All an iPod is is an over priced flash drive. Who actually uses it for anything other than a music storage device? Most of the time you either "dock" it or you just use your smart phone instead when you're on the go.

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    1. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by codegen · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a friend who has an iPod instead of an iPhone. She is almost always in range of free wifi, and uses two apps that provide free phone (including dial in) and free texting. Cheaper than an iPhone and lighter too.

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    2. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by 1000101 · · Score: 1

      I use it for jogging all the time. So much better to have a light weight nano on my waist than a bulky phone on my arm.

    3. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by tipo159 · · Score: 1

      All an iPod is is an over priced flash drive. Who actually uses it for anything other than a music storage device? Most of the time you either "dock" it or you just use your smart phone instead when you're on the go.

      An iPod touch is an iPhone without the phone. Sorry, but none of my flash drives can run iPhone apps or have a camera or connect to Wifi.

      The iPod nano has the Nike+ app and a FM radio and you can watch videos on it. You must have some fancy flash drives if they can do that.

      If you are gonna knock something, at least do enough research about what you are knocking that you don't come across as, uh, ..., less than knowledgable.

    4. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      All an iPod is is an over priced flash drive. Who actually uses it for anything other than a music storage device? Most of the time you either "dock" it or you just use your smart phone instead when you're on the go.

      An iPod touch is an iPhone without the phone. Sorry, but none of my flash drives can run iPhone apps or have a camera or connect to Wifi.

      AFAIk the ipod touch can't be used as flash drive, or at least, not as easy as one. Please pick another model for flash drive comparison

    5. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I don't have a smart phone, because I care about battery life and call quality and don't give a shit about playing Angry Birds on the toilet. However, I do have an iPod, because I like having 150gb of storage for my content (actually, I don't like it enough for that -- it really needs to be upped to a terabyte, but that's never going to happen, I guess).

    6. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I have a friend who has an iPod instead of an iPhone. She is almost always in range of free wifi, and uses two apps that provide free phone (including dial in) and free texting. Cheaper than an iPhone and lighter too.

      Awesome. My friends are 'grownups' with 'jobs' who moved 'out of their parent's basements' and can 'afford things'.

    7. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you have to throw away your money. If you're not careful, all those monthly bills can easily add up to nearly the cost of your rent.

    8. Re:Maybe because iPods are irrelevant? by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      The iPod shuffle, the cheapest device Apple makes, can be used as a USB flash drive.
      The iPhone, the iPod touch and the iPad can NOT be used as flash drives.

      What's wrong with Apple?

  12. Where is the new iTunes 11? by Scowler · · Score: 2

    Strange that Apple wouldn't release the iTunes overhaul in conjunction with these iPods. That overhaul is well overdue, more than any iPod refresh...

    1. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      iTunes doesn't need an overhaul it needs an axe.

      Seriously Idevice sync, media player and iTunes Store should be separate apps.

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    2. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by Scowler · · Score: 2

      They can exist as modules under a single lightweight application UI, actively loaded and unloaded as necessary. That kind of SW design would answer most people's criticisms surrounding "bloat".

      At the very least the current hodgepodge UI needs to die and be reborn.

    3. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      None of what you wrote has any meaning to the vast majority of PC and Apple users.

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    4. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Is it that Apple is waiting for the release of the iPad mini before iTunes 11.0 is released?

    5. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      It wouldnt, however, answer complaints of "general suckage", "crashes", and "inexplicably breaks cd burning".

    6. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      iTunes doesn't need an overhaul it needs an axe.

      Seriously Idevice sync, media player and iTunes Store should be separate apps.

      Take off. Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

      TBH though, I don't have a problem with it. But if you're going to kill something, kill it with fire. Thermonuclear fire.

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    7. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2

      They already exist as modules under a single lightweight UI. The core of iTunes hasn't changed in a long time, and on a Mac it's perfectly suitable. On a PC it's not as good, because it essentially runs on top of a modern version of an updated Openstep feature that let you run Openstep on top of Windows. This whole thing is a big beast and to my knowledge, is only used for Quicktime and iTunes.

    8. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Strange that Apple wouldn't release the iTunes overhaul in conjunction with these iPods. That overhaul is well overdue, more than any iPod refresh...

      http://www.apple.com/itunes/new-itunes/ - Coming in October

      Close enough?

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    9. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      They used to call that feature "Yellow Box" back in the day. Everyone said iTunes was crap when it was Carbon based and wanted it ported to Cocoa. Apple ported it and people are still complaining its slow as a Cocoa based app!

    10. Re:Where is the new iTunes 11? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Users install programs, not SlashDot posts.

  13. Ummm... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They did announce it.

  14. I have a smartphone, who cares by dadelbunts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do people still buy these things? And 300 dollars is outrageous. My phone was 80 dollars, no contract. A 32gb microsd is 20 dollars. So 100 dollars total for a device that can outperform this I-Pod touch in everything, even media playing thanks to winamp and winamp remote.

    1. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by godrik · · Score: 1

      people offer that to kids so that they won't have to pay a crazily expensive dataplan.

    2. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to buy a smart phone but I have access to wi-fi more or less 24-7 so why would I pay for data?

      iPod touch has all the flexibility of iOS for apps and browsing(which you may or may not care about, I prefer the interface to android on my Nexus 7), better battery life, and no contract.

    3. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes it is overpriced, but no your $80 phone doesnt even come close to outperforming it. it is a very expensive albeit very powerful media device. And btw yes it can also play any file you can imagine with apps like gplayer. So you can argue with the price, I do, but you cant knock it for how powerful it is or how well it does what it was built for. Price aside it is a very impressive device.

    4. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Or an iPod Classic for $250 that holds 160gb. I'll take that over a dinky little 32gb. Shit, that wouldn't even hold my current podcasts - much less audiobooks, music, and some videos.

    5. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      As i said no contract. I pay 50 dollars a month for everything unlimited. Even if you bought the phone, paid for 1 month and let it run out and bought a memory stick, its still cheaper than an I-Pod.

    6. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Howso? My Samsung Admire may not be the fastest phone, but please explain how an I-Pod will blow my phone out of the water in performance. I doubt the sound quality is too different from my phone, I use mine as my mp3 player in my car and with the equalizer in winamp it sounds pretty goddamn good. Better than CD's do. But i would like to hear more about this amazingly powerful I-Pod.

    7. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that way, the kids can play all the games available for them, w/o being able to make calls to who knows where, and rake up phone bills. And parents get to keep the iPhone. Too bad, however, that these things have only a fraction of the apps available for the iPad.

    8. Re:I have a smartphone, who cares by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you're spelling it "I-Pod" to try and piss off Apple fanboys or if you're really just too ignorant to spell it properly.

  15. Stupid lightning adapters by irving47 · · Score: 0, Troll

    We should have paid more attention to the articles 3-4 months ago about those damn cables and their authenticator chips.
    Maybe they're keeping a lower profile so people don't point out the new ipods have the same proprietary, border-line uncopy-able cables?

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    1. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      they're not authenticator chips. They're demuxing chips.

      Not that it matters to the /. crowd. Unless you can be super cheap and buy a 5 pack of cables for 10 bucks IT'S EVIL AND MUST BE ELIMINATED.

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    2. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Can you explain that, please?
      I didn't call them evil. I will call them greedy as hell and fleecing the users for an expensive cable that they have made a particular way to charge far more.

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    3. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      Can you explain that, please?

      The cable can be plugged in either direction, yet pulls power over USB and does other things...

      The chip is basically responsible for making the wiring from the cable end up at the right pins.

      fleecing the users for an expensive cable that they have made a particular way to charge far more.

      They made the cable this way because:

      1) The connector is much nicer than mini-USB to plug in, far more durable and with a much better contact area.

      2) Much higher speeds possible over this interface. If you want to plan ahead for future needs you don't put a 20 year old connector on it.

      3) There is a lot of value in not having to worry about which way a cable goes in.

      Now if only they had got rid of the connector on the computer side and replaced that with something reversible...

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    4. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      But when the port is meant for more than just USB, then the matter of fleecing becomes less obvious.

      Also, 19 bucks for a cable isn't expensive. It isn't cheap but not what I'd call expensive. It's not meant to be just for charge and sync it's also meant for all sorts of peripherals.

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    5. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Even more significantly, the "adapter" actually does digital to analog conversion as well, so the legacy interface works with analog output. You just won't find a microcontroller with DAC in a $3 cable...

    6. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      That's in the adaptor though, not the plain Lightning cable which is what I think the original post was about.

      That does help explain why an adaptor is sort of expensive.

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    7. Re:Stupid lightning adapters by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't even realize the cable had a chip in it.

      And speaking of lightning cables... I'm not really one for silly aftermarket bling cases, cables, etc, but an electroluminescent cable that changes speed based on the battery charge? That's kind of cool :)

      http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/66737-apples-lightning-cable-cloned

  16. "Disable Advertising" option not working by Kittenman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Strange - I thought I had that ticked, but I can still see this story.

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  17. Still able to control by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    If they are using the new port then they will be just like the new Iphones, the built in controls in the car will not be able to control the device...

    A number of things with a USB port (like cars) can still control iOS devices with a lightning port, simply using he included cable.

    Other devices that had dedicated dock connectors can still work just fine with the new connector if you get the adaptor. The only thing that will not work is playing video or "iPod Out", which was displaying a virtual iPod screen on some other device (since it needs video). That's not much of a loss though as the iPod Out interface was laggy and really low res.

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  18. Don't know why, but it is lying... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Really? What would cause this. This means it can't be used in places like Leadville, CO for example.

    I was driving and hiking around the mountains at higher elevations than that all weekend. An iPhone 5 (with the same specs) worked just fine. I have no idea why the continue to include specs like this in totally solid-state devices, but it probably has to do with ranges all the components were tested in and they just don't want to legally claim it will work under conditions they have not tested.

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  19. Oddest thing; congruence with lightning adaptor. by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    The strangest thing about the timing to me was that at exactly the same point in time we suddenly have the Lightning adaptors arriving as well.

    I could not believe there was such a fuss over things like Apple Maps, which by and large work fine for most people - meanwhile a truly massive slipup on Apple's part, not shipping with adaptors day one, was underway. It's been weeks since the iPhone 5 launch and only now is Apple finally shipping adaptors... that is not good planning and a really disservice to customers in trying to make a shift to the new connector as painless as possible.

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  20. Some chip in the iPod says max 10,000 ft ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

    Really? What would cause this.

    Probably because some chip inside the iPod says its maximum operating altitude is 10,0000 ft. If a supplier says that is all the chip is rated for that is what Apple has to put on the box.

    Interestingly chip suppliers sometimes have chips that are mil-spec (military grade) that are rated for higher altitudes. What is the difference, aside from price, sometimes it is merely a matter of testing. Chips rated as mil-spec may actually get tested at low pressure (simulating high altitude). Regular chips get no such testing and may actually be capable of working at higher altitudes.

  21. Umm... the new iPods WERE announced... by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    .... at the special media event which announced the pre-orders of the iPhone 5. Unlike the iPhone however no specificl launch date or pre-order was done.

  22. Sorry about that by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Strange - I thought I had that ticked, but I can still see this story.

    My bad, I had the "increase advertising" option ticked, it must be bleeding over to other users.

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  23. Quietly, of course by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

    Of course Apple launched them quietly after all the flak they took for hearing damage caused by loud iPods.

    1. Re:Quietly, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was the design of the ear buds, and the high volume that people would crank the player to so that they wouldn't be distracted by outside noises.

  24. iPhone minus the phone by unixisc · · Score: 2

    It's an iPhone - without the phone capabilities. I find it really handy to not just check mails, but also the weather, stocks, a calculator, time in different cities and YouTube. Only complaint - lack of an SD card slot, and the inability to store music videos the way one can store music audios. Otherwise, it's a great thing to have while waiting in a restaurant, at the doctors or for the car to get done.

    1. Re:iPhone minus the phone by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      the inability to store music videos

      I'm sorry, nobody told me it was impossible before today. I'll delete the music videos from my non-jailbroken iPod touch right away!

    2. Re:iPhone minus the phone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Ok, clue me on this - how did you get music videos into that app marked videos so that you could watch them w/o having to be online? With music audios, it's not a problem - iTunes gathers the songs you have on your computer, you organize them, make playlists and then sync them w/ your iPod. It doesn't allow you to do that with music videos. And no, having either bought/downloaded from YT music videos, I can convert them to any format but I refuse to pay for videos when I'm not doing the same for audios.

    3. Re:iPhone minus the phone by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

      Your videos need to be in your iTunes library, just like your audio files. DivX and MKV are not valid files, you need MPEG-4 or H.264 files.

      Use Handbrake to compress them to H.264 if needed, there's even presets for a lot of iOS devices.

  25. Re:They didn't... because Telecomm Cos are Nervous by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, there is actually a story here. IPhones and Galaxies and HTCs are being launched by companies like ATT, Veriozon, Orange, Sprint, etc. But growth of handheld devices is skyrocketing in urban environments around the world. 80% of the Earth population now has electricity, and 47% of households have access to wifi (or soon will). Just as (and this is lost on wealthy audiences) MOST display devices sold in 2006 (by number, not by dollar) had both an SVGA jack and a TV tuner, because most buyers (India, China, Indonesia, Egypt, etc.) could not afford, or have room in the house, for both a TV and a computer, there is a very large market which IPods are aimed at. WIFI. Using Google Voice or Skype to speak on an IPod over Wi-Fi is a frightening trend to the telecommunications firms which promote the IPhone. I would expect this kind of relative silence over a device which does not require $90 per month individual subscription and data fees. Why do almost all the comments on this article treat the Phone-company-Less device as a toy? Because Slashdot readers live in a world where buying a laptop AND a desktop AND a television AND a cell phone AND a pad AND a pod seems just slightly consumptive. See pictures of slums with electricity and wifi, a third to half of the world telecom market, here. http://retroworks.blogspot.com/2012/04/useless-lists-of-jobs-beneath-wealthy.html

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  26. Never underestimate the stupidity of fans anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh, people actually pre-order some device without even knowing the specs and absolutely no idea what it physically feels like? I am getting old.

  27. Re:They didn't... because Telecomm Cos are Nervous by Jhon · · Score: 1

    Are you seriously suggesting the newest 'touch' was 'quietly released' due to some conspiracy by the 'telecommunications firms which promote the Iphone"?

    Could you stand in a mirror and read your post to yourself for me? After doing so, can you say it doesn't sound just a wee bit tin-foil-hat-ish?

  28. Canada by SuperMooCow · · Score: 1

    Move to Canada, my friend. I've never heard of a "Jimmy Donal Wales".

  29. iPod Touch is perfect for corporate drones like me by ChePibe · · Score: 1

    My employer provides a "smart" phone - a BlackBerry Bold. It's... terrible for anything other than very light browsing and, of course, its core business functions (not that it performs many of these terribly well, either, but that's for another post). The phone's best feature, by far, is that it's free. And, as I have a free smart phone with the basic necessities, I'd rather not shell out my own cash just to have a second phone to carry around. In my case, an extra $75/month+ is a lot to pay for a better interface and some additional capability.

    Enter the iPod Touch. For $300 and no monthly bill, I get access to all of the apps I wanted, a pocketable device I can use anywhere there's WiFi, a lot of music, a few videos, a decent point 'n shoot camera, etc.

    It's not that I haven't considered tablets; I like my Nexus 7 a lot, but the iPod Touch is far more portable.

  30. Re:They didn't... because Telecomm Cos are Nervous by retroworks · · Score: 1

    Not a conspiracy... But heavily marketing the non-phone handhelds (virtually identical technology to the phones) would potentially be perceived as "biting the hand" that has fed Apple billions. @Jhon, are you suggesting the telecomm industry isn't writing about the threats to growth in hand-held phone service by VOIP and wifi in their own stock prospectus? Was CEA catering to paranoids in establishing the Emerging Markets series on this topic at CES? Here's an article from 2007, does it sound crazy? http://www.voip-news.com/articles/voip-blog/coming-soon-wifi-voip-52019/ By the way, I get the same sneers when I tell people about the size of the PC-monitor-TV-combo market, I get sent to the mirror a lot when talking about 3 billion consumers in the good enough market.

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  31. Re:Never underestimate the stupidity of fans anymo by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1

    "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken
    Mencken failed to draw the general lesson: it's not just true of Americans.

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  32. Probably better of not doing so by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Apple can only eat crow so many times in one month.

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  33. Re:They didn't... because Telecomm Cos are Nervous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude. You're still being a crazy tinfoil hat paranoid guy obsessing over the significance of things which aren't significant. Stop that.

    You need to try to calm down and understand that this is yet another bullshit stupid slashdot non-story, anyways. Apple didn't "quietly" release the new iPods any more than they "quietly" released the iPhone 5. The actual truth: Apple announced both at the very same press event, and spent a lot of time hyping up the new iPods. The only difference? They announced a specific ship date for the iPhone, and "sometime in October" for the iPods. That's it!

  34. Mystery ~= by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    Thrill-seeker demand up. Holiday Store-buster Blame Down. Profit up. Stock value up.

    Tech support = quantity > quality

    Status quo.

  35. How many price is It? by khanmasud444 · · Score: 1

    How many price is mini ipod. dog Waste bags