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US Looks For Input On "The Next Big Things"

coondoggie writes "What are the next big things in science and technology? Teleportation? Unlimited clean Energy? The scientists and researchers at DARPA and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy put out a public call this week for ideas that could form what they call the Grand Challenges — ambitious yet achievable goals that that would herald serious breakthroughs in science and technology."

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  1. Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We always want to know what's next, what's the exciting thing we can dream will solve all our problems. But we don't want to finance it. And we don't want to finance the basic research for those big things without promise of a payoff.

    1. Re:Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We always want to know what's next, what's the exciting thing we can dream will solve all our problems. But we don't want to finance it. And we don't want to finance the basic research for those big things without promise of a payoff.

      These types of challenges encourage private financing. If it spurs innovation and costs very little to the taxpayer, what's the problem?

      And no, I'm not saying we shouldn't fund science grants. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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    2. Re:Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by Dr+Max · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you guys defiantly want to patent it. Good thing for you is you don't need to research it or fund it, just write a brief paragraph about your dream then sue whoever does the hard work.

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    3. Re:Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by lightknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about attaching a prize / royalties / some sort of agreement that actually makes pursuing some of the riskier ventures feasible? When cracking cold fusion or solving world hunger only nets you a cool million, there isn't a lot of motivation to achieve them. And that's a major problem these days -> everyone wants to be cheap, offering up intangibles (15 minutes of fame on an evening broadcast, a standing ovation, and a medal) that are kind of a bad joke for the time, effort, and energy spent on creating those solutions.

      Even on kaggle.com, which deals with finding / creating new algorithms, there is only one prize (the health prize) that come anywhere near tickling my fancy. $x0,000 to develop a new Kinect algorithm? What? MS is smoking some serious dope. Here is a company that is bringing in billions in revenue, quarterly, and potentially millions more if they can get a killer app for their little device, and they want it for less money than a decent car. I can't tell, did our current generation of 'business' 'leaders' go full retard? Who instructed them to act like this, and why? Seriously, I want to know which business school(s) they graduated from, so I can forbid my children to attend them.

      Looking back in history, when Benjamin Franklin and friends were around, you were rewarded (heavily) for your inventions. The inventors, who came up with neat inventions, and allowing for the occasional Edison, got PAID. And until inventors start getting PAID again, humanity's progress will remain at a stand-still, or rather, a mediocre pace.

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    4. Re:Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the implication it has on the transportation sector is very similiar to what robotics was to manufacturing. Today a lot of workforce is tied up at trivial driving, something that a computer can do cheaper and more effeciently. Just like robots didn't replace all manufacturing self-driving cars will not replace all driver. It will however free a large portion of that workforce without any loss in productivity. This workforce can then be used for something that we can't automate yet.

      In most countries this problem is mostly already solved.
      It's called public transport.

    5. Re:Like a junkie, loooking for the next fix. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although I understand what you're saying, I think the GP's issue is when you have to spend billions to get something like cold fusion working, then a million seems kind of anticlimactic.

      And my issue is that when you "have to spend billions" it should be public research.

      We're seeing too many cases of human beings being held hostage to proprietary technology.

      How many people would be dead if mosquito netting or the Salk vaccine would have been patented?

      If you look at the advances that have led to the world around you, how many of those were the result of a corporation "spending billions" and how many of them had basic research done with public funding?

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  2. Predictions ... by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... are hard to make. Particularly about the future.

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    1. Re:Predictions ... by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nuke it for 1/2-2/3rds the time you normally would, then finish it in the oven/toaster oven on broil.

      It might take a few tries but you can get pretty close.

  3. simple things by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How bout -

    1. Cheap and easy ways to clean water for the world
    2. Cheap and easy ways to provide light for the world
    3. Cheap and easy ways to feed the world
    4. Cheap and easy ways to maintain sanitation
    5. Cheap and easy ways to provide education to the world.

    That's what I'd like to see a focus on. Unfortunately, we're spending money on forcing the chevy volt on the world instead.

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    1. Re:simple things by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd settle for a cheap and easy male contraception pill. If that came on the global market soon then I think the other 5 problems you mention would disappear within 25 years.

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    2. Re:simple things by Hentes · · Score: 4, Funny

      2. Cheap and easy ways to provide light for the world

      Windows?

    3. Re:simple things by hairyfish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some third world countries did build infrastructure, it then got destroyed because the people that live there predominately believe in magic. While they still believe in magic, they will forever be stuck in the dark ages.

    4. Re:simple things by DarenN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I personally think that the great breakthrough that would change everything is energy storage that is significantly more energy dense (orders of magnitude) than the batteries we have today, chargeable, and stable.

      Think Heinlein's Shipstones and you've got the idea. Anyone who managed this would need to spend the first half of the money to build somewhere big enough to store the second half of the money.

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    5. Re:simple things by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. Running water through two meters of sand will filter out nearly all contaminants. It's something any local can do, and costs next to nothing. Instead all kinds of NGOs spend money on fancy, high-tech devices, which require maintenance and replacement, so they just perpetuate a cycle of dependency.

      4. Build a toilet (basically a bucket) with a vent pipe which will allow liquids to dry up quickly. Then throw in a small amount of started microbes (for composting toilets). Odor is minimal, and when the toilet is full, it can be dumped out as benefitial compost, and start again with some more microbes. Local production of microbes should make it sufficiently cheap that it'll be easily affordable.

      5. Digital electronics, and cell phones in particular, are making this a reality, right now. A little effort by a group of educators to produce the simplest and easiest collection of useful information, tailored to various regions, is just about all that is necessary to get the ball rolling.

      If you want to criticize automobile reasearch, complain about the money wasted on ethanol and hydrogen, when everyone knew it was a pointless distraction and dead end. Electric vehicles like the Chevy Volt are the future, and a future where there's less demand for oil means a future where despotic regimes which repress their people will see their funds dwindling, hopefully enough that they'll be unable to maintain their power.

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  4. Next thing: Fixing the economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then we can worry about what kind of toys we want to play with.

  5. There people are really, really stupid by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Breakthroughs cannot be planned. You can put a whole lot of smart people to work, give them everything they want, and maybe you will get lucky. But any attempt to plan and direct breakthroughs will only serve to prevent them. That was one of the lessons from the soviet economy. Don't people ever listen?

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    1. Re:There people are really, really stupid by fearofcarpet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Breakthroughs cannot be planned. You can put a whole lot of smart people to work, give them everything they want, and maybe you will get lucky. But any attempt to plan and direct breakthroughs will only serve to prevent them. That was one of the lessons from the soviet economy. Don't people ever listen?

      I think the Manhattan Project and the Apollo Program worked pretty well. Ditto for the oodles of federal dollars targeted at semiconductor technology in the mid 20th Century. Anti-retro-viral drugs were most certainly the result of large amounts of targeted funding. There are entire foundations dedicated to funding research for a specific type of cancer and survival rates have gone up dramatically as a result. I'll grant you that you cannot predict where or when a major discovery will occur, but with finite resources, research must be directed. Research funding is, in every country, highly targeted because a breakthrough will never occur in a field in which no one is working.

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  6. Re:Unlimited clean energy? by bertok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would change things for the better, not worse.

    There might be some very short-lived havoc in the markets caused by the sudden devaluation of energy company stocks, but that's it.

    First of all, most energy consumers aren't using fungible energy forms like electricity, but specific forms such as coal (smelting) or oil (fertilizers, fuel). Even if electricity was made free overnight, petrol would still cost money the next day! Converting all factories to purely electricity and building plants to generate hydrocarbon feedstock from CO2 and electricity would require massive investment in capital works. The markets would recover, and the result would be a boom like no other. Engineers that lost their jobs in the oil extraction industry would retrain and find jobs in the oil generation industry, or the oil-to-electricity plant conversion industry.

    On top of that, whole new industries would pop up or get a massive boost. For example, recycling is mostly a question of energy. Currently, it's just not worth it for a lot of things. Given unlimited free energy, the local rubbish tip suddenly becomes an worthwhile source of rare metals.

    To see how stupid your statement is, imagine living on a Moon base. What if somebody proposes a new technology for the free production of Oxygen:

    "Because cheap (or free), clean, unlimited oxygen would collapse the economy overnight and the ramifications of that would change the world as we know it. I'm all for unlimited clean air because I'm sure that stuff is great for people, but not at the expense of my life style. So if someone does come up with this, it better cost a few hundred million (or more) bucks to build a reactor and get it online."

    See how stupid that sounds?

    Is the Earth's economy endangered by an endless supply of free Oxygen?

    How about the endless supply of free sunlight?

  7. 3d Printing by zbobet2012 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dunderheads. We are on our way to being able to print anything we need. 3d printing will probably make traditional manufacturing a bygone technology in the next twenty years.

  8. Hey, I've got a great idea! by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh wait, some NPE just sued me for patent violation. Never mind, guess I'll go develop it in some other country.

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  9. The Metric System? by Everything+Else+Was · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Enough said...

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  10. Re:Research by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too much emphasis has been put into basic research.

    Clearly a quote from someone not working in research. The problem facing research and development today is that there is not nearly enough focus on basic research - everything is about immediate, applied applications - which is the highest risk type of research you can do, since the goal is "build a very specific thing". And it doesn't broaden your horizons since you're aiming at specific targets informed by existing theory.

  11. Re:Free Market by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, Government takes my money under penalty of violence and then spends it asking "So, uh, what exactly should we do with all this money?"

    Solutions are best found through variation and selection, processes that are quashed and stifled by central planning; the power structure should be decentralized and localized as much as possible, and that is precisely the point of the Free Market.

    Yeah, 'cause everyone knows business are just lining up for an opportunity to spend their money on the kind of basic research the Federal government has funded for the past 60-70 years.

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  12. Re:Free Market by fearofcarpet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Solutions are best found through variation and selection, processes that are quashed and stifled by central planning; the power structure should be decentralized and localized as much as possible, and that is precisely the point of the Free Market.

    The Free Market has no idea how to conduct scientific research or to do anything that requires long-term planning; markets are excellent at efficiency and optimizations for short-term gains. Look at the pharmaceutical industry, which is constantly complaining that the early stages of drug-discovery are too costly and risky and that it should be the responsibility of universities to find promising targets because they don't work under the pressure of quarterly earnings reports and shareholder value.

    That is, in fact, the basic model of technology transfer; academic labs (funded by centralized federal agencies!!!) do high-risk, fundamental research. When someone runs into a "hit," venture capitalists fund their start-up. Most fail, but the few that succeed bring us amazing innovations, and are usually absorbed by a larger company to whom you credit the discovery and jump up and down screaming "Free Market! Free Market!"

    Do you know how science was done before the scary Government started pooling our collective resources and directing them towards research efforts? Only rich people were allowed to do science, they were self-funded, and they generally got into it as a means to become famous. Where would a middle-class guy like Einstein have wound up without government funding?

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  13. Re:Unlimited clean energy? by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would improve your quality of life.

    Cheaper energy lowers how much people have to pay for electricity. This in turn gives people more money to spend on other things. So instead of having to pay $120 on your next electric bill you pay $60, meaning you use that extra $60 however you please. Like buying new clothes or going out to eat more often.

    Free energy wouldn't necessarily be free to consumers, since they still have to pay for the upkeep of the system + labor costs, but I'd imagine a normal electric bill to be just a few dollars. But now you basically have an extra $115 in your pocket every month. And could you imagine the sales in electric cars? The market would explode because people would save tens of thousands of dollars by owning an electric vehicle. You need engineers and factory workers to build those.

    Oh, and thanks to the unlimited virtually free energy, businesses have lower operating costs, meaning the price of items across the board would drop.

  14. I know I know! by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Something about alarm clocks that turn off when you tell them, but then 10 minutes later they won't turn off until you're in the shower.

    Also, a card that has your computer desktop password linked to it and you take it from terminal to terminal I think.

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  15. Re:Free Market by mozumder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, Government takes my money under penalty of violence and then spends it asking "So, uh, what exactly should we do with all this money?"

    Solutions are best found through variation and selection, processes that are quashed and stifled by central planning; the power structure should be decentralized and localized as much as possible, and that is precisely the point of the Free Market.

    Still amazes me that there are people that still think that the "free market" is capable of doing anything.

    Government is far more efficient than private industry at doing things.

    It is why mail costs 50 cents to deliver via government, instead of $15 via UPS.

    Solutions are best found centrally, through planned governments activities. The only thing the "free market" does is introduce inefficiencies through profit. Variation and selection are economic wastes, when you can just arrive at the solution directly.

    Let's NEVER speak of the "free market" ever again. It is just a simple idea from people that never went to college and do not know anything about economics.

    The more government control, the better. We statists always cause the economy to expand.

  16. Re:Research by That_Dan_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I"ve gotta stick in the video from Neal deGrasse Tyson here on this very topic of "The next big thing"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjY0vqgDMnE

    Lots of people talking about hitching a ride with other people doing the research and work are foolish. You do that to catch up, not to lead. If you wait for someone else to pass you so you can follow them, you'll end up at the back of the line.